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HP TouchPad To Be Liquidated At Fire Sale Prices

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the impulse-windfall dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "According to an article by Tony Bradley, news is spreading quickly online that HP is going to clear out its vast TouchPad inventory by dropping the price to an offer you can't refuse. Rumor has it that beginning Saturday the 16Gb TouchPad will be $99, and the 32Gb TouchPad will be a measly $149. 'It is actually a fairly capable tablet. It's just not an iPad 2,' writes Bradley. 'For $500 it was a joke. For $300 it was still a shady deal. For $99 it's a steal.' HP has learned the hard way, and quickly pulled the plug on its tablet, proving that HP never had a solid tablet or mobile strategy and that it was really just looking for an excuse to get out. 'The reality is that my Best Buy is swimming in unsold HP TouchPad inventory,' adds Bradley. 'I went out tonight and picked mine up at the regular $400 price to beat the rush. Situations like this are why they invented price matching. I can just go back with my receipt once the fire sale starts and get the price adjusted and the difference refunded.'"

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Can't price match the tablet (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37154896)

From their price matching FAQ:

Does the HP TouchPad tablet qualify for the Price Match policy?
No. The HP TouchPad is on clearance and we will no longer be selling the units so we will not offer any price matches. We do offer a 60-day return/exchange policy for this product.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 3 years ago | (#37154926)

Well, duh! He can walk in, ask for a refund, then go to a different store for clearance stock!

Re:Can't price match the tablet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155120)

Thus defeating the point of buying it before the sale for the price match later...

Re:Can't price match the tablet (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155142)

Wow, overpay then sell it 1 month after a product launch at a firesale price. Great geniuses at HP. I think they need a multi million dollar bonus for being so smart. I know neither of us could manage HP's assets so well that he deserves that price.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (2)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155180)

Yes, perfectly true, I was posting a solution for the idiot who already bought it at that price and was boned by the facts in the GP.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (2, Insightful)

arisvega (1414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155306)

Under the risk of getting troll-modded, I have to respectfully decline this generous offer- HP hardware is and has been, to the best of my knowledge and experience, a piece of crap; a fact well in accordance with their customer support and "services".

It is furthermore obvious from this recent expansion (read; migration) that they are very well versed into riding the surface tension of every new economic bubble, exiting just in time to screw their customers and maximize their profits.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155384)

There are many many reasons to not consider this purchase. In fact, I find very few reasons to buy it, and mind you: I really wanted this thing to succeed. I was looking to buy a second generation device and was praying it became true competition for the iPad.

Reasons to buy it go down to:

A) Get a disposable tablet as you would buy a disposable newspaper.
B) Own a piece of history, of one of the few decent non Google, Apple or Microsoft OS tablets to ever attempt step up to the challenge and join the race.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155416)

It's still a hundred dollars we're talking about, so it's far from "disposable" for the vast majority of people. Really, I can't think of many reasons to buy it, even at clearance prices. Maybe if it were $20, I'd buy it just to take it apart.

Re:Can't price match the tablet (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155510)

I do agree, but then again some other people do consider 99 dollars to be disposable money. Ask anyone that has been married. Not to be chauvinist but my wife will go through 3 of these in one visit to the shoe store, in stuff she may wear 3 or 5 times tops.

So under such a light, yea, it may be seen disposable, and even maybe as a "preview" for what owning an iPad may be like. Like it enough? Then hold on with it until the iPad 3 comes out and then try to get 30 bucks from the TouchPad out of eBay.

Re: (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 3 years ago | (#37154904)

As I said earlier, contact me about your stocks of the TX series. Forget TouchPad, Android and iOS. the TX series was THE tablet.

I ordered 2 (1)

gregrah (1605707) | more than 3 years ago | (#37154908)

I bought two from the HP website last night. I figured one would make a good e-reader for myself, and the other would make a good present for a family member. At this price, you really can't go wrong.

Re:I ordered 2 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37154950)

Buying discontinued obsolete software and hardware combinations is almost always wrong, at any price. That's why no one should buyt computers on Craigslist

Re:I ordered 2 (2)

gregrah (1605707) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155066)

I applied the 80-20 rule here: It's got a web browser which means it can do 80% of what the iPad can do at 20% of the price, discontinued or not.

Before anyone brings up "apps" as the reason to go with the iPad at a 400% price premium - let me say that I own an iPhone and the overwhelming majority of time I spend with it is in the email and safari apps. Apps are nice when they are available - especially given the iPhone's small form factor that makes interacting with some websites painful - but not a necessity.

Re:I ordered 2 (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155148)

Buying discontinued obsolete software and hardware combinations is almost always wrong, at any price. That's why no one should buyt computers on Craigslist

Well, if I've replaced it with something better then I won't be using it even if it's a working computer as such so the value proposition still makes sense. I get to unload a box I wouldn't use, they get an upgrade for their even more obsolete computer real cheap. Believe it or not, there's people that still find new "value" PCs far too expensive. And there's people that really need a lot of horsepower who'll sell their old stuff long before it's really obsolete - to a non-power user it's still more than adequate.

Re:I ordered 2 (4, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155552)

He's AC and he's obviously trolling saying something as stupid as buying "obsolete" hardware is wrong at any price. This is /., most of us probably have hardware we bought at one point that was obsolete just to tinker with.

Re:I ordered 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155352)

They are showing out-of-stock on hp.com right now.

Oops (4, Informative)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 3 years ago | (#37154924)

Should have read a bit more closely there, buddy:

The Guarantee does not apply to: Our competitors' website prices, offers that include financing, bundling of items, free items, pricing errors, mail-in offers, competitors' service prices, items that are advertised as limited-quantity, out of stock, open-box, clearance, refurbished/used items, BestBuy.com Midnight Sale and special hour sale events, BestBuy.com Outlet Center and Marketplace items, and items for sale Thanksgiving Day through the Monday after Thanksgiving.

Emphasis mine. I'm 100% confident that the HP tablet will be marked as both "limited-quantity" and "clearance".

Oops. Oh well, at least you beat the rush!

Re:Oops (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155386)

Best Buy stores were ordered this morning to return all unsold stock to HP. Unless you were in the store and got a price match before a
manager came around with the update, you are out of luck as far as BB.

Same deal for Staples and HHGregg.

Walmart stores had them at the sale price this morning (and ran out quickly).

To be liquidated... (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#37154964)

To be?

More like was, and in the blink of an eye. Every place around here is sold out and Best Buy took 'em all off the shelves to send them back to HP. I imagine there will be some slow firesales from HP later as they arrive.

This is a slashvertisement for Best Buy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37154982)

A shitty and overpriced retail store.

cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155004)

Can one remove the WebOS and replace it with Android? Otherwise this about as useful as the Apple Newton. It's neat, but if the operating system is going the way of the Dodo, then who is going to develop apps for this thing?

Re:cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155060)

Keep in mind that both android and WebOS use a linux fork and had to publish all their changes. I heard from a google buddy that they were able to install android (honeycomb) on it. No idea if it will ever be released, but it would be hilarious. And, of course, you we can't do jack shit since the honeycomb source is still unavailable.

Of course, you could install a real OS like Ubuntu.

Re:cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155124)

You -might- be able to install a real OS like Ubuntu.

The problem that follows is hardware support, and support for the GPU is immediately out the window, let alone anything else on it that might be dependent on binary blobs. I believe webOS used glibc, so you might have luck with them, in contrast to Android.

Re:cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155382)

there is already a large homebrew scene

Re:cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (5, Informative)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155434)

Try WebOS first. It's actually a really good OS. It's linux. Rooting it is as simple as typing in the Konami Code to put it in Developer Mode (root).

There are a lot of homebrew apps for it, with their own Homebrew appstore, PreWare. Well, not an appstore really because it's all free there.

Palm's problem was they had crappy hardware for it, and insanely bad advertising. HP hasn't done anything much with it since they bought it a year ago. Sad. A very intuitive and good looking OS. The one thing you will miss out with on the TouchPad is the gesture area that is on the phones. They make task switching pretty awesome when you are multitasking a lot of things. Another bad move by HP to leave that off the TouchPad.

Re:cheap yes, but can it be rooted? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155518)

Why would one want to take a well functioning OS like WebOS and replace it with that Android POS that periodically pegs the cpu or the has crashes due to a segment violation?

Seriously, next time that Android application or the phone itself has problems, look at the error logs. Likely multiple instances of CPU may be pegged or a SIGSEGV somewhere in the error log.

Hitler Learns HP 's Abandoning WebOS (4, Funny)

theodp (442580) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155020)

"In the latest parody remix of Downfall, the classic war film that depicts Adolf Hitler's last days in Berlin. the fictional Hitler unhinges upon learning of HP's decision to abandon WebOS and the TouchPad [geekwire.com] .

Re:Hitler Learns HP 's Abandoning WebOS (1)

kno3 (1327725) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155134)

"How can I have one of these when Stalin has an iPad!"
Brilliant.

Re:Hitler Learns HP 's Abandoning WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155566)

"How can I have one of these when Stalin has an iPad!"

Proof that Apple is the fruit of evil do-ers!

Rumor? (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155030)

Re:Rumor? (1)

DreddUK (255582) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155052)

And, bang, HP's shopping cart goes down.

'Out of memory'

haha :)

Re:Rumor? (3, Insightful)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155152)

Wow, if they had been willing to eat the cost and sell them at this price in the first place they might have been a contender.

will it run ubuntu? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155036)

Can you install ubuntu on this thing?

Ubuntu and Android (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155254)

See:
http://liliputing.com/2011/08/hp-touchpad-afterlife-hackers-bringing-android-ubuntu-to-hps-tablet.html

Links in the article

Out of Stock already (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155050)

Was going to buy one, but they're already out of stock.

Not worth even $99 (1, Informative)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155064)

So it's a tablet with an operating system that nobody develops for (WebOS), that puts all my stuff "in the cloud", that looks as locked down as the iPad without any of the benefits of the iPad. I mean, seriously, what in the world am I going to do with this thing?

Re:Not worth even $99 (2)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155204)

Put Linux on it duh.

Re:Not worth even $99 (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155228)

One Word: Android. I doubt it will be more than 1-2 months before someone Jailbreaks it and has an Android install. Then you will have the world's cheapest full featured Android tablet for $400 less than anyone else with a similarly featured tablet.

Re:Not worth even $99 (4, Informative)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155426)

Let's see, decent video player, web browser, ebook reader, good for reading technical pdf's, same screen as ipad2, comparable hardware with anything out there now AND you can program directly on it using html5 and their javascript framework that exposes the hardware.

What the hell are you doing on slashdot because you clearly aren't a geek! It'd be worth it just to carry around programming reference pdfs.

Re:Not worth even $99 (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155456)

I like customizing PCs as much as the next guy but I prefer to avoid appliances that I need to hack.

With anyone else besides Apple in the market, a franken-tablet is somewhat redundant.

Re:Not worth even $99 (4, Insightful)

catmistake (814204) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155454)

e-reader
email
web browser
address book
calendar/appointments/alarm clock

I got an iPad first week released. Love it. For all the development Apple has poured into iPad/iOS, all I have ever used it for is listed above. I'm recommending TouchPad to anyone that wants a tablet.

Re:Not worth even $99 (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155458)

apparently not find your imagination

ok so the thing runs linux, has a homebrew scene and has software toolkits, what cant you do with a xga screen and a 1.2ghz cpu tablet?

Re:Not worth even $99 (2)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155524)

Browse the web. Play FLASH. Do your emailing. Play games. Play movies, Install a lot of free/open source apps from the mod community....

From 'Everybody On' to 'Everybody Off' in 6 Months (2)

theodp (442580) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155078)

(Feb. 9, 2011) HP Launches 'Everybody On' Global Marketing Campaign [hp.com] : The 'Everybody On' campaign kicks off with a 60-second anthem TV spot [hp.com] featuring an instrumental version of Lou Reed's iconic song 'Walk on the Wild Side'...This year the GRAMMY Awards telecast will feature the new HP TouchPad, the first HP webOS tablet...

Re:From 'Everybody On' to 'Everybody Off' in 6 Mon (4, Funny)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155268)

HP's Eric Cador said [time.com] , "In the tablet world, we're going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus."

From "number one plus", to "number two, flush" in three months.

Best Buy isn't participating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155098)

They've pulled it from their shelves and are sending it all back. No $99 deal there.

mi8us 2, Troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155106)

eulogies to BSD's That 5ord ed,

Apple isn't about product anymore. (4, Insightful)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155140)

If you are in the industry and still think you can compete with Apple, you will end up like HP.

The lesson here is not about solid engineering, eye-catching design, or pricing. It is about how to avoid contesting something that is in a league of its own, in the zone, and has become a force of nature. They're at Exxon levels. And to do that as a tech company that actually makes something is insane.

Apple right now is Mike Tyson in his heyday. Many Tyson fans didn't follow boxing. They followed Mike. It's the same with Apple. Most people who bought an iPad don't even know the specs. The iPad commercial probably isn't what got them to buy it either. They simply don't care.

HP spent a ton of money getting celebrities to do fancy commercials, and the design and specs of their Tablet isn't bad either. But it's too bad, because no one cares.

Apple has gotten to the point where people just buy their products because everybody chants how great they are. If you dare step in the ring with them, they'll knock you the &%$# out and take everything you put into the fight.

I am not an Apple fan, but it doesn't take one to see what is going on. If you understood the phenomenon that is Apple right now, you'd think twice before picking a fight.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (2)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155210)

Tell that to google when it comes to smartphones. Last time i checked Android was way ahead of iApple on smartphones.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155230)

Android != smartphone.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155308)

He never said Android == smartphones... He said Android was way ahead of iOS on smartphones.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (2, Funny)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155380)

How many Android phone were sold to people who wanted an iPhone but couldn't get one?
How many Android phones are sold by wireless companies that want to sell iPhones but can't?
How many Android phones are built by manufacturers that want to build an Apple product but can't?

It is Apple versus the world. Android is their weapon of choice. But nothing is beating the iPhone. It just so happens that every competitor has the same OS. To say that that OS is made by Google so Google is beating Apple is like coloring an apple orange and pretending to compare oranges.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155482)

> How many Android phone were sold to people who wanted an iPhone but couldn't get one?

Probably not so many.

If you really want an iPhone, you can just switch carriers. It's not really that big of a deal. The market simply isn't that limited.

There are multiple carriers and if you really want an iPhone that bad you can just switch.

I dumped my AT&T iPhone for one of their Samsung Android devices.

The shell script was really fun and all but it got old after awhile.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1, Informative)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155500)

How many Android phone were sold to people who wanted an iPhone but couldn't get one? How many Android phones are sold by wireless companies that want to sell iPhones but can't? How many Android phones are built by manufacturers that want to build an Apple product but can't?

It is Apple versus the world. Android is their weapon of choice. But nothing is beating the iPhone. It just so happens that every competitor has the same OS. To say that that OS is made by Google so Google is beating Apple is like coloring an apple orange and pretending to compare oranges.

I can't answer those questions and you can't either. You have provided no proof that manufacturers want to build iOS devices. No proof whatsoever. You can split hairs all you want that does not detract from the fact that when it comes to OS marketshare Android is way ahead of iOS in smartphone OS marketshare.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1622614 [gartner.com]
I know... Facts are a bitch when they don't fit your world view.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155388)

Android is an OS. Apple the phone maker is in the top 4 phone companies in the world, iirc. In that mix there is only 1 Android branded company, Samsung. Apple is ahead of Samsung.

There is no Android Corp. The Android Corp does not make money to keep going. Samsung, HTC, LG, etc need to make money selling a product to stay in business.

Google just bought Motorola Mobility (upon government approval, legal boilerplate here) for the patents and such. But soon then will look at Moto as a way to make the hardware they want to innovate with faster. That whole vertical stack thing that has become very sexy of late. Then all the asian companies are going to be looking for a new OS, perhaps they will consortium up and grab WebOS at fire sale. If that happens, Android is left with Moto gear and then you will see a different picture.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155432)

Yeah, most of them are probably cheap models. Are those stats international or US only?

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155452)

There isn't a single android phone that outsells an iPhone model that's over a year old. Even the old 3GS is blowing away Android sales per unit.

If every handset vendor is selling some flavor of Android, then it's no wonder as a whole they outsell Apple in total. That's why you don't see stats being reported that 'all other pc vendors' outsold Dell. It's not relevant.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155536)

Apple make 50% more in revenue just from iPhones than Google makes in total! In what world does that put Google ahead of Apple in smartphones?

Now consider the following:

Google claims to generate $1 billion a year now in mobile revenue.... Google generates about $8.66/user/year from US smartphone users through advertising.

So if we are generous and say that mobile revenue perfectly follows the 55% vs. 35% marketshare split, then Google makes about 200 million a year more on Android based revenues compared to iOS ones. This ignores the fact that in a hypothetical, sans Android universe, iOS would likely occupy a higher percentage, and thus Google total revenues wouldn't drop by the full 200 million.

Apple's estimated yearly income per iOS users is ~$150.

Google purchased Android for ~$50mil + engineering costs + the recent motorola acquisition of $12.5billion currently puts them deep, deep into the red on Android. By my estimate if all goes perfectly (Apple goes away.... ha) it'll take them years to recoup that investment through mobile search ads, or even if they start making their own hardware... meanwhile Apple keeps making nice profits on ALL their product lines... So how nice is that 55% vs. 35% looking now?

Don't bother competing! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155258)

You've got to be kidding me. Your argument boils down to "don't bother competing with Apple, because they're on top". How exactly do you think progress is made? The same way progress has been made for our entire technological revolution: through fair competition. (Whether the market will be fair or not is entirely up to government and thier IP laws. If that market is fair, then it is inevitable that Apple will be knocked off the top, the cycle repeats, and the next top dog moves in for a while.)

Indeed, the only time "don't bother competing" makes sense is when government forcefully prevents you from competing (via IP law).

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155272)

MPU
 
Totally agree.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155336)

If you are in the industry and still think you can compete with Apple, you will end up like HP.

The lesson here is not about solid engineering, eye-catching design, or pricing. It is about how to avoid contesting something that is in a league of its own, in the zone, and has become a force of nature. They're at Exxon levels. And to do that as a tech company that actually makes something is insane.

Apple right now is Mike Tyson in his heyday. Many Tyson fans didn't follow boxing. They followed Mike. It's the same with Apple. Most people who bought an iPad don't even know the specs. The iPad commercial probably isn't what got them to buy it either. They simply don't care.

HP spent a ton of money getting celebrities to do fancy commercials, and the design and specs of their Tablet isn't bad either. But it's too bad, because no one cares.

Apple has gotten to the point where people just buy their products because everybody chants how great they are. If you dare step in the ring with them, they'll knock you the &%$# out and take everything you put into the fight.

I am not an Apple fan, but it doesn't take one to see what is going on. If you understood the phenomenon that is Apple right now, you'd think twice before picking a fight.

Stop lying to yourself fanboy... you're not taking into account the products of Apple that have actually flopped. Somehow I think you've overlooked the fact that Apple sells more than just their two big money makers iphones/ipod-pads. HP is a very talented company and put out many high-quality PC's before apple even broke 1 % market-share. Unfortunately, they started to care more about delivery than their actual product which lowered their bottom line but ruined their reputation. They have brilliant people working for the company but sometimes companies focus more on diversifying their profit-income instead of focusing on the products they already have.. So what you basically get is a Walmart-type style of supply because there is such a demand to fulfill. On the other side however, you have companies like apple who can uphold this image of 'high-quality', 'innovating', and 'cool'. My response to that is, if apple could widen their market-share and everyone could get a decent macbook for less than 1500 dollars, would it still be as cool, or would the brand's image be tarnished?

I guarantee you, the day steve jobs leaves the company, apple will drop at least 20 % value in less than a week. HP is doing the smart thing by trashing a business they never intended to 'fully' get into.. they just wanted to tap into a market like how Microsoft does whenever someone else comes out with something that makes money.

If your rational is that other companies shouldn't put out competing products because Apple has the dominating product, well then, no one will ever be able to beat Apple's products because they wouldn't exist.

Maybe I'm the fanboy here in some way, but I think you're willfully ignorant if you want to believe that Apple's products (hardware/software) are on some kind of pedestal above everyone else....

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155350)

The difference between Apple and Tyson is that Tyson did have some reasonable competitors. If you think Apple does, you probably don't really understand why the iPad is so popular.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155472)

No. The difference between Apple and Tyson is that Apple is the company making iPods and suchlike, and Tyson was a boxer. Duh!

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (5, Insightful)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155414)

The lesson here is not about solid engineering, eye-catching design, or pricing.

Yes it is. The iPad is a solid products and has become the touchstone. If you want to compete with something that's perceived as the tablet you have be either:
- significantly better and the same price
- at least as good at a lower price

Sadly the TouchPad was neither. To bad too, I'd have liked Palm's progeny to at least survive.

Most people who bought an iPad don't even know the specs..

The vast majority of people don't know the specs of their PC's either. The great thing is that with tablets they don't have to. Tablets are bought on the following considerations: "Can I run the popular apps?", "Does it feel responsive?", "Does the battery last me at least a whole day of use?" The iPad kills on all 3 of these criteria. And what were the most often heard complaints against the Touchpad ? That it "felt slow" and there were no apps. No one except uber geeks cares about tablet specs.

Apple has gotten to the point where people just buy their products because everybody chants how great they are.

That's a myth. Apple users are some of the most critical around. That's why you keep hearing very vocal complaints about problems with Apple systems that impact a small minority of its users. And a lot of the new iPad/iPhone users who aren't traditional Apple fans would leave at the drop of a hat if something better came along. These are just regular consumers, not geeks, they go with what works.

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155490)

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. It's all about timing and opportunity.

People thought Facebook was untouchable at some point too. Google+ is proving that sentiment wrong. If Google had released their thing a year earlier, it would have certainly flopped. If Google released their thing a year later, who knows how many other players would be out there diluting the market.

To further your boxing analogy, you might not be able to get into the ring with Apple, but that's why you draw them into the octagon and fight them there (assuming you're say, GSP).

Re:Apple isn't about product anymore. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155564)

You can compete but you can't do it at the same level. The same thing happened with Microsoft Zune. You can't just copy an apple product, give it less features and expect people to pay the same amount.

The only way to get a market share is to offer something different and none of the new tablets or touch pads do that. Blackberry, HP, Acer and every other company that makes tablets now have no idea what they are doing, they just think people want touch pads now so they make tablets and expect people to buy them. If any of them really want a market share, the best thing they could have done is made a really cheep tablets that they can sell for less than half the price of Apple.
 
Think about it, if your going to drop $500.00 on a touch pad you might as well get an IPad because that is what every one else has as it's a safe investment. If my choices are $450.00, $525.00, $500.00 for each tablet, saving a few dollars means nothing when no one else has the same product.

But if I had a choice between a $500.00 IPad or a $200.00 cheap pad, casual users would buy them up. Look how fast the $99.00 pads are disappearing.

A great example of this is Nintendo. The two major choices at the time were basically XboX 360 or PS3. Each in the $600-$700 range. Nintendo could have just made another console and advertised more pixels, polygons and giga rams then the other guys, but they didn't. They made something different and cheaply. They showed that you don't need HD resolution or Blue Ray for games to be fun and with it in the $300.00 range, family's bought them up.

  You can compete with Apple, just every company did it wrong and tried to be just like Apple.

Price Matters (3, Insightful)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155146)

This HP Touchpad Fire sale is the best lesson any Non Apple tablet manufacture should learn when it comes to tablet sales. The current Android tablet market is trying to command IPad pricing without being an Apple product. ICultists wont touch it with a 10 foot pole at any price because it's not made by Apple and everyone else that's on the fence is going to see the identical price and buy the Ipad because either they saw it on TV more / their ICult buddy recommended it and since they're priced the same might as well get what everyone else is talking about...

HP goes out and announces that WebOS hardware is dead, lets it sink in for a day or two, then cuts the price down from $399 and $499 to $99 and $149 respectfully and sells out in hours even though everyone knows they're discontinued and WebOS has a shaky future if any. If that doesn't scream that the tablet was overpriced than nothing on earth will.

Non Apple Tables are priced roughly $200-300 too expensive. Get them around $199-$299 and they'll sell like gangbusters just like it did for Android phones in the mobile market.

Re:Price Matters (1)

Kevin Burtch (13372) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155182)

As proof of your point, just look at the Viewsonic gTablet (very similar specs to this device, but Android as the OS)... every time it comes up somewhere for $279, it sells out quickly.

Re:Price Matters (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155248)

Actually, I own one of these tablets. (and I just bought a touchpad for my cousin) it's good for the price. Biggest disappointment though is the software. but the android community got some seriously good replacements for it.

If a factory stock honeycomb or Ice cream sandwich ever happens on the G tablet, it would be a no brainier at $279. It practically a no brainier even with the lackluster TapnTap android on the device.

I can't believe that the 16gb Touchpad couldn't sell at $249 or ever $299. At $399 is was doom and at $499 someone at HP was on drugs to think it would sell.

Re:Price Matters (1)

laederkeps (976361) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155264)

Non Apple Tables are priced roughly $200-300 too expensive. Get them around $199-$299 and they'll sell like gangbusters just like it did for Android phones in the mobile market.

I thought every manufacturer of every material and immaterial product in existence already did this. Because you KNOW $199 feels like a lot less than $200.

Re:Price Matters (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155316)

Parsing fail. He said it was $200-$300 too expensive, and should be priced more like $200-$300 dollars absolutely (not $500-$600). I agree with him.

Re:Price Matters (1)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155508)

Yeah, lets forget for a second that the TouchPad was actually quite a buggy POS -- yet another unfinished product. That wouldn't have anything to do with people still going with the iPad, surely? Normal consumers just love to feel like they're special beta testers for some fancy new tech product!

If they went for $200-$300 at the moment, they'd either have to compromise on hardware, or cut their profits substantially.

Re:Price Matters (1)

gregrah (1605707) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155514)

The Acer Iconia has been selling at $399 with a $100 gift card or rebate at several stores recently (Best Buy, Amazon, Target, etc.) - which is effectively a $299 price point. The Iconia is pretty much a piece of shit, but I bet they were selling a lot of them at that price.

The Asus Transformer can be purchased at $349 [slickdeals.net] or less right now.

The problem is that right now it is still too expensive to manufacture a decent iPad competitor and sell it at $200. Each HP TouchPad, for example, was estimated to cost about $300 to manufacture. Costs will continue to drop though, and we will see Android tablets start to each into the iPad's market share - just as we are currently seeing in the smart phone market.

Even with the loss in market share, Apple will still continue to dominate the high-end market and make huge profits - just like they do with iPhones and Macs today.

HP TouchPad Sales Tracker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155156)

If you want to track the HP TouchPad sales, feel free to check http://www.touchpadtracker.com.

Sold out fast (1)

Guppy (12314) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155160)

Already out this morning at all the local stores (Walmart, Staples, Best Buy, etc...), well before noon. Suppose we might start seeing these things on Ebay soon, being flipped for a quick profit.

Anyway, wondering if we'll see an Android ROM for it anytime soon. I've heard WebOS is great, but developers are going to be leaving in droves.

In the UK? (1)

kno3 (1327725) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155164)

Anyone see a way of getting this clearance price in the UK?

Re:In the UK? (1)

DreddUK (255582) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155206)

Nah, still full price over here, plus the HP Sales line is now closed. Was going to call and ask for the same pricing as the US. Maybe we'll see some movement on Monday when everyone gets back to work.

Re:In the UK? (1)

queazocotal (915608) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155516)

It was reduced today!
From 349 pounds to 332.
(official hp uk store)

Oh - and the order link doesn't actually work for the touchpad anyway.

Was interested (2)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155178)

until I realized it ran webOS. If it was Android, it would be a different story. Honestly, what made them use webOS? And price this thing the same as the iPad? Were they setting themselves up for failure purposefully?

What most of these tabled companies don't realize is that no one will pay the same price as the iPad for their tables because they are much more likely to just bail out of 2 consecutive sales reports aren't gangbusters. Apple is here to stay, so why would anyone buy a product that will likely be abandoned in a "focus realignment" meeting between some MBAs.

Re:Was interested (1)

Kyokugenryu (817869) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155420)

It ran WebOS because HP bought Palm FOR WebOS. It was their shot at the mobile market, and they failed miserably.

Not at any price, thank-you ... (0)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155184)

I love gadgets, but I've learnt my lesson from using obscure and discontinued hardware before: it's lots of fun to play with in the beginning, but there is no room for growth so it's a tosser as soon as I get bored with it.

Now if you had a specific purpose in mind, that's a different story.

Re:Not at any price, thank-you ... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155402)

I figure I will get my 99 bucks worth of use out of it before it dries up with its homebrew scene, and I doubt it will take more than a month to get android or any other linux on it (its already running linux)

Did he open it? (1)

GeorgeMonroy (784609) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155194)

So I need to know if Hugh Pickens opened the tablet. If so his only options are to either keep it at the $400 price tag or to return it at a 15%-20% restocking fee per Best Buys computers return poicy on opened items. LMAO!

Somebody please find out!

Restocking fee is N/A, and fee was eliminated. (1)

Jennifer3000 (921441) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155318)

Wrong. It's a PRICE MATCH, not a "return", as your woefully inaccurately characterization claims. Furthermore, Best Buy eliminated the much-hated (and rarely applied anyway) "restocking fee" about a year ago. Way to be current!

Re:Restocking fee is N/A, and fee was eliminated. (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155496)

Even still, there's restrictions on price match that limited quantity and/or clearance items are exempt from price match, which means he's probably stuck with a $400 tablet for $400 instead of the $149 he's hoping for.

Re:Did he open it? (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155394)

or to return it at a 15%-20% restocking fee per Best Buys computers return poicy on opened items.

I doubt there would be a restocking fee. The reason Best Buy would extend the return policy would be either
1) They want to remove ill will from people who just bought into a dead platform...sort of a way of saying "you won't regret buying from us" (yeah yeah, cue the jokes) Charging a restocking fee wouldn't accomplish this goal
2) HP informed retailers that the product is discontinued, and they have 60 days to get them any returns back to them. In that case, Best Buy isn't eating the cost, so why should they care.

Good luck finding one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155196)

By the time this made it to slashdot, the deal's more or less in the final phases of burning out.

On the other hand, I did order mine so hopefully it will actually show up.

An Android/Cyanogenmod is inevitable with several devs already signed on [twitter.com] with more expressing interest. Source for the kernel is also available [palm.com] .

Unfortunately, though this is a great deal, this is not a tablet where the android community will grow (as w/the nook, which are still available and a great deal in its own right w/cm7).

Best Buy? (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155226)

So Best Buy employees hate the company, Best Buy customers hate the company, but people still shop there? Why?

Re:Best Buy? (1)

gregrah (1605707) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155294)

They've got a pretty liberal return policy. Sometimes I "rent" from them until I am sure I want to buy something, and then I return it to best buy and order it online from Newegg or Amazon.

Re:Best Buy? (4, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155398)

They've got a pretty liberal return policy. Sometimes I "rent" from them until I am sure I want to buy something, and then I return it to best buy and order it online from Newegg or Amazon.

You were the kind of person we used to hate when I was in the hardware business; you'd 'rent' our hardware from the store, then return it and we'd then have to QA it again and sell it as a refurbished product.

Then people would complain that hardware prices were high. Well, duh.

Re:Best Buy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155476)

They've got a pretty liberal return policy. Sometimes I "rent" from them until I am sure I want to buy something, and then I return it to best buy and order it online from Newegg or Amazon.

You were the kind of person we used to hate when I was in the hardware business; you'd 'rent' our hardware from the store, then return it and we'd then have to QA it again and sell it as a refurbished product.

Then people would complain that hardware prices were high. Well, duh.

And yet, people complain about the obnoxious restocking charges where I work. I agree it is rather obnoxious on small items, but it works nice on bigger-ticket stuff. When you tell a person looking to "rent" a $400 piece of hardware that the restocking charge is going to be 25%, they rapidly make themselves someone else's problem.

Re:Best Buy? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155410)

then people like me walk in and see an open box doo hicky at 75% off

My brother has one (4, Interesting)

spectro (80839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155262)

He works for HP and got one when they put them on sale for $300 a few weeks ago. I played with it last week and kinda liked it.

It's a solid piece of hardware, slick UI and really fast.

No, it doesn't run android and doesn't have data plan but after playing with it I would definitely buy it for $99 if only to browse the internet when watching tv or in a hotel.

Too bad they are sold out already :(

Hopefully this is strategic and not stupid on HP's (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155342)

Really what company pays 1.2 billion for some software and then kills it in under 2 months?

I'm hoping that this decision was based on negotiation talks that HP was having with other manufacturers where the companies basically said ok we'll be willing to license WebOS from you as long as we don't have to compete on the hardware front with you. There's a business decision i think would be more in line with HP than automatically assuming they're idiots.

Besides, which other tablet can you program directly on the tablet and have complete control over the hardware through javascript? Javascript being a decent language if you don't use it like a script kiddie or procedural programmer, more like lisp with c syntax.

Almost did it, waiting for Pixel Qi tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155362)

I can't see having a tablet (mobile device) without direct sunlight screen.
ZTE is about to release their 7" device with Pixel Qi - otherwise why would they have this promo video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcM9ILaPnDU
So, my guess is the ZTE Light 2 is getting ready for the channel?
I do want that, because when mobile, you want the Pixel Qi screen, nothing less.

Good Luck getting money back from BB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37155404)

As P.T Barnum once said "There's a sucker born every minute" - http://bit.ly/mWEDvm maybe the OP should have waited instead of speculating what if's.
Good luck getting a discounted one from Best Buy, but they'll gladly take it back.

This is such a shame... (1)

david.emery (127135) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155468)

I think HP is being stupidly near-sighted by not continuing to invest in this. Even if HP wants to move towards the idea of 'enterprise integration', they could do what RIM is trying to do (belatedly) with the Playbook, and come up with a tablet for enterprise/industrial/OEM integration. I thought WebOS (and the Palm legacy) had the best basis to provide innovation/alternatives to the iPad; so far most of what we're seeing from Android has not been very inspiring.

Now I fully admit to being an Apple FanBoy, but I think real competition in designs, applications, hardware, etc, is good for everyone. Apple does not have the monopoly on good ideas, but HP's actions sure seem to imply that HP is unwilling to compete with Apple. See the arguments here, particularly the (timely) discussion of the venerable HP-35 calculator as a risk that paid off: http://www.macworld.com/article/161775/2011/08/why_cant_windows_pcs_catch_up_to_the_macbook_air_.html [macworld.com]

So... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155522)

...can you install Android on it?

so they didn't even try to sell it? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#37155546)

was their support organization for the product really _that_ expensive? I suppose it was, since palm was so expensive for them.

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