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PS Vita Specs Announced

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the hamsters-with-crash-helmets dept.

Portables (Games) 259

An anonymous reader writes "Sony has announced the hardware specs for the PS Vita and the details have confirmed most fans' hopes instead of their fears. The heart of the system is an ARM-developed Cortex A9 chip with four cores and a PowerVR SGX GPU. The screen is a 5-inch OLED capacitive touch-screen (with multi-touch) and a resolution of 960 x 544. The system will include 512MB of RAM and an additional 128MB of discrete VRAM. There will be front and rear cameras capable of 60fps at VGA resolution (640 x 480)."

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Ddi they also announce (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157192)

how long until it's shit-canned because the iPhone and android do it better?

Re:Ddi they also announce (2)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157216)

What android phones or iphone have actual joysticks? I must have missed those. And which ones have quad cores and the highest-end PowerVR GPU? And 5-inch OLED screen? This is a portable game console, not a phone that can do lightweight gaming. There IS a place for dedicated hardware, even if you personally don't need or want it.

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157252)

Not the latter list of specs (wouldn't expect it to considering the timing of it's development and release), but the Xperia Play has a form of joysticks... Maybe not what you would hope for, but it is there...

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157256)

Re:Ddi they also announce (1, Offtopic)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157308)

"806MHz processor, 512MB of RAM, front and rear 5 megapixel and 0.3 megapixel cameras, respectively, a 3.5 inch 320 x 480 touchscreen"

Whoo, impressive specs. Yes, that will definitely destroy the PS Vita in the market.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

MacTO (1161105) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157422)

I remember the days when gamers lusted for a 50 MHz processor and 16 MB of RAM. (Cameras. Ha! Touchscreen. Giggle! Dual analog sticks? Only if you had a joystick in each hand.)

What really matters is how much fun the game is. And here's the crazy part: different people have different definitions of fun. So the vast majority are just going to yawn at Sony's new gizmo and go back to gaming on their phone.

(Granted, from my limited experience with games on the cell phone, they do suck. But that has more to do with developers wanting to make cheap games for an audience that'll pay a buck or two for anything.)

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157524)

Some people will be fine with cellphone games, but some games just don't play well with a touchscreen interface. That's fine - not every product has to appeal to everyone. As long as Sony can keep the price down and attract good games, it shouldn't be a problem for them. I am disappointed that they went with a proprietary memory card (again), and LTE would have been very nice, assuming they could have done it without killing battery life (which they probably couldn't with the current generation of LTE chips).

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158364)

yawn at Sony's new gizmo

Sony is dead to me. They could come out with the greatest device ever and I would not give them a thin dime.

Further, anyone over the age of 12 who has a Sony Vita PS will be widely seen as a cunt.

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157274)

There used to be a place for 10, 20 and 50 hours games with deep content, too. Now the market is ruled at 99% by quick-play, 99 cents games.

Don't kid yourself. What you think of as "real gamers" is dropping in numbers even faster than regular people are replacing them. The PS Vita will flop just like the Nintendo 3DS.

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157754)

The number of real gamers is probably the same as it's always been. It's the mass adoption of computing devices and game systems that overinflated those numbers with a bunch of people who sometimes play certain games, but aren't gamers.

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37158130)

And as a game company, where are you going to put your investment?

Are you going to invest 10+ millions to sell a 50 dollars game to one million gamers, or are you going to invest less than 1 million to sell a 99 cents game to 500 million gamers?

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158374)

And as a game company, where are you going to put your investment?

Are you going to invest 10+ millions to sell a 50 dollars game to one million gamers, or are you going to invest less than 1 million to sell a 99 cents game to 500 million gamers?

There are many game companies out there that make games because they enjoy great games. They're not out to make a quick buck on some shitty game, they want to make a slow (but often immense) buck on a great game they can be proud of. BioWare, DICE, Infinity Ward, Valve, and countless indie developers meet this criteria. Yes, as a decision out of pure financial interest, it is better to invest a smaller amount of money on a game that will attract many more customers, but 95% of game developers did not get into the industry because of the money. They do it because of the games.

Re:Ddi they also announce (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157814)

What android phones or iphone have actual joysticks? I must have missed those. And which ones have quad cores and the highest-end PowerVR GPU? And 5-inch OLED screen? This is a portable game console, not a phone that can do lightweight gaming. There IS a place for dedicated hardware, even if you personally don't need or want it.

There problem is not so much competing on specs with multipurpose hardware; but whether the much larger installed bases of A)expensive smartphones that people already have, linked to impulse-buy download stores and B)cheap handheld consoles like their own now-reasonably-priced PSP and anything Nintendo that isn't a 3DS will cause their game libraries to suffer...

It is hard to deny that this device will be a technologically superior mobile gaming device; but it is much less clear that it will achieve the critical mass needed to get a good library of titles: The techheads(and, with iPhones, also the suits and the soccer moms) already have an inferior; but zero-additional-cost-because-they-already-have-it smartphone that is still pretty powerful(those that care about games may well also have a console at home and/or strong opinions on PC gaming). The impecunious and the kiddies probably aren't going to like the Sony price for a 5-inch OLED, highest-end SoC, slabs of RAM, and new-release titles. A fair few members of both will lust after this; but will they drop their smartphones/NDSes/PSPs-with-a-memory-stick-full-of-ISOs and shell out?

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158398)

The impecunious and the kiddies probably aren't going to like the Sony price for a 5-inch OLED, highest-end SoC, slabs of RAM, and new-release titles. A fair few members of both will lust after this; but will they drop their smartphones/NDSes/PSPs-with-a-memory-stick-full-of-ISOs and shell out?

MY problem (and I'm sure I'm not alone) with handheld gaming devices is that I just don't have the opportunity to use one. The Vita looks awesome and I'd love to get one, but I don't think I'd use it enough to justify the price. If I had a lot of downtime away from other things maybe I could use it, but here's my life right now: Five days a week I get up at 4 in the morning, drive myself to work, work 8 hours, and drive myself home. When I get home, I'm greeted by a PS3 hooked up to a 42-inch plasma screen in my family room, and a PC (which I have spent a few thousand dollars on over the years) hooked up to a 24-inch LCD display in my bedroom. Why would I want to sit on the couch and play tiny games on a tiny handheld when there's a PS3 in front of me?

If I was able to take the train to work, or if I flew and/or travelled a lot. If I did things where bringing a console or my PC were infeasible, or I had time alone away from home for more than a few minutes during which I did not have to be focused on other things (like driving or working), then a handheld gaming device would probably be worth the investment. But for anybody in my situation, it just isn't.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157260)

I don't think iPhone and Android will do better in the games department. These gaming suited handhelds are designed for people with better attention spans than a goldfish.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157292)

Hey, what do you mean by better attention span - Look, a squirrel!

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157368)

I had a short attention span when I was younger. It is even shorter today and I certainly played GameBoy back in the day. Games like Super Mario and Mega Man. I can't even imagine playing any recent games. They all stink.

Short isn't necessarily bad although it certainly isn't usually entertainment that is umm terribly rewarding. I would prefer games like Tetris with two players and a friend or sibling to play with. Or super mario and similar type games. I liked Mega Man too although this was a bit harder. So much so it was frustrating because you couldn't get very far.

I played a lot of game boy going cross country so I have a little clue here. I can't imagine what kids today would do today. I guess they have more gizmos than ever before although half of them would be useless in a car. Maybe movies although physical media is going away with the Internet and prices are too high for purchases anyway to make it a cost effective option for most young people (and you wonder why kids are so apt to pirate). All this boils down to there are a lot of places without cellular access and most entertainment devices today not working in many environments. I bet most parents wouldn't be as crazy as mine were to do a trip cross country. We went cross country a number of times from the time I was for to the time I was 12. Each trip was about 30 days too.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

mattcsn (1592281) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157390)

Let me know when you can buy an IOS or Android device as capable as a Vita or 3DS for the same prices, with no monthly contract.

Re:Ddi they also announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157542)

Uhh... iPod Touch? Ok, so the 4th gen has half the memory and not as fast CPU but the 5th gen is likely around the corner.

OpenPandora Console, Neo OpenMoko Freerunner. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37158020)

I only listed these two not only because of their capability but because their fully-documented platform integrates in an abuse over-regulated network of competing equipment of strip-mined caquisitions. Sony products should all be boycotted when you realise they sell computer tim-shares that prevent you from running your own software. Looking a Cell phone networks, a Neo Freeerunner can run Linux or Android in addition to it's other built-in OS. and every aspect of it's hardware is in full control of the owner whether GPS queries from the Cell network provider to the frequency if you prefer non-encrypted modes like how was a repeater Host for communication with Ham radio operators. Open Pandora is the portable console about the same size as a Nintendo DS, but a completely documented custom computer that when used in conjuction with external Cell network adapter it gives more potential to the owner.

Basically the goals of the Cell Service companies and Cell Network companies are cross against the people, in that the people want to isolate their network partition to more routes with non-metered communications, but the companies want to control your hardware and software so you must use their service at all times and only their software. The Sony Mylo and Mylo 2 are perfect examples of that kind of debauchery in which you have a computer more expensive than some desktops that you are locked-out for no practical reason.

Just imagine if there was free independent competition to NetFlix and Amazon, known as Bittorrent, on your own network service of cascaded WiFi hubs throughout your region, and there were no administrative agencies with acceess to regulate this. That is freedom like a library and a pub while in a swimming pool that none can rent to you because you own it.

People just need to not buy the package by supporting open standards and owning their hardware without payments.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157718)

Actually, they say it'll support 3G and voice chat. And you know what that means: SIDETALKIN' [sidetalkin.com] , the feature all other phones envy!

Basically, while Android and iOS won't necessarily disappear from the games market over night, it's lights out for them as serious competitors in the phone arena.

Re:Ddi they also announce (1)

Dr Max (1696200) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158008)

The specs are solid and will stay ahead of phones for atleast 6 months more like 12 months and maybe even longer for one particular brand. Also they bring thumb sticks and all the ps titles which are alot better than any app. I would of liked to see a hdmi out though.

Ooh, wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157200)

Am I supposed to get excited over a console or handheld in almost 2012 having nearly as much RAM as a cheap cell phone?

Re:Ooh, wow. (3, Informative)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157332)

The raw RAM number hardly matters as much as how it is applied in a phone. If Android has been filled with bloatware requiring you to root the phone to get rid of it, then a gig of RAM won't do much good. If it's efficient, half that can run games quite well. Also, look at the actual RAM of some gaming systems and you'll be surprised at how little it takes.

Re:Ooh, wow. (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157346)

It's the OS

I have a motorola droid pro and my old iPhone 3GS I sold months ago was faster with 1/3 the ram

Maybe if the phone manufacturers didn't set up all kinds of useless programs to run in the background they would work better with less ram

Re:Ooh, wow. (2)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157526)

Probably "nothing" to do with background processes or RAM and more to do with the Dalvik VM and its Garbage Collector, and Android's lack of _full_ hardware-accelerated UI framework. ;)

Re:Ooh, wow. (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158252)

Probably "nothing" to do with background processes or RAM and more to do with the Dalvik VM and its Garbage Collector, and Android's lack of _full_ hardware-accelerated UI framework. ;)

I have never owned one, but I've heard that Motorola installs a custom GUI that chokes all their Droid phones.

Re:Ooh, wow. (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158122)

Dunno about you but I'm excited about the screen but don't care much about the rest. Why are there so few OLED devices out there?

Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157202)

I must admit on some level I was beginning to grow tired of just how ubiquitous devices that will record in 720p were becoming.

Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone know why so little RAM?

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157220)

Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone know why so little RAM?

Any more and it would be beating the PS3. And, honestly, I'm not sure that I'm joking. I think that really may be why.

My real question is how they intend to deal with the lack of a UMD port while the thing's supposed to be backwards compatible with the PSP. I guess that feature's only useful for people who pirated their PSP games.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157244)

There is this thing call PSN. You can, believe it or no, download games through it, even PSP ones, perfectly legal and everything. I know, shocker huh.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157336)

So the answer to "how do they intend to make backwards compatibility useable" is "buy all your games a second time."

Yeah, you know what? Sorry, no, fuck that.

Not to mention that there are PSP games available on UMD that aren't available on PSN. Even if I were willing to give Sony another credit card number to give out to the world again.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157372)

So the answer to "how do they intend to make backwards compatibility useable" is "buy all your games a second time."

Yeah, you know what? Sorry, no, fuck that.

No, that's your wild speculation.

PSP Go had no UMD drive. People who previously owned UMDs were allowed to download free copies of their games from PSN. It's a reasonable assumption that Sony may follow the same principle with the new device.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157420)

People who previously owned UMDs were allowed to download free copies of their games from PSN.

Actually, due to "legal and technical reasons" [gamespot.com] this never happened.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157520)

>

PSP Go had no UMD drive. People who previously owned UMDs were allowed to download free copies of their games from PSN. It's a reasonable assumption that Sony may follow the same principle with the new device.

Do you have a source for that? It sounds like absolute bullshit but, it is possible.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157544)

The answer is "you can always keep your old consoles, because you don't get everything you want just because you feel like you deserve it because you were born."

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157646)

You talk as if someone is getting something for free.
The real answer is "you can hang on to your money because you know this product sucks."
Why would I spend money on something that doesn't do what I want?

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157342)

You can actually run a digital copy of any game off the memory stick on the PSP, or at least you could back when I played mine. Assuming that the premise of having digital copies of games you physically own being legal is still true, I assume many people will have a legitimate way to transfer all of their games.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157322)

If you think a little ARM cortex is going to beat a Cell processor, youre out of your mind. My 5 year old Core2Duo desktop still beats the pants off of the top end ARM cortex A9. I dont keep up on exact specs, but dont ARM cortex processors compete with Atom and whatnot, not actual beefy processors?

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157396)

Actually the Vita does have more system and total memory than the PS3.

Vita: 512 system, 128 video
PS3: 256 system, 256 video

So there you go.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (2)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157808)

And the PS3 is half a decade old. The iPhone has as much ram as the vita.

Sorry, but I'm willing to pay more for better hardware. I wish console makers would get that through their fucking skulls. Your games are $60 and you expect your consoles to run for at least half a dozen years. For the thousands of dollars I'm going to spend on your games in the life of that console, I think I can swing a little more than $299 for the actual system itself, if you can give it a bit more juice.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

Skal Tura (595728) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157902)

seriously, most won't, and it's the most people what matters.

You are probably more close to the HC gamer group than you think you are. I would never shelf out 299€ (it will probably be here atleast 299€) for a handheld console. Hell, i just spent 400€ on phone and was anxious about that even tho it's for work and i need the features (3G, Qwerty, SSH, Browser, Dropbox, Mail. Bought Nokia E7-00)

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157398)

512MB is pretty good. The PS3 only has 256MB of RAM (plus another 256MB for graphics). That's the same amount that's in the XBox 360, but on the Vita there is another 128MB of dedicated graphics RAM. In this respect, the Vita is very well specced.

I usually wish consoles had more memory when they came out. Imagine the difference doubling the ram on the PS3 or 360 would have. Doubling the Wii's RAM would make a big difference too. RAM tends to end up so cheap, it just seems like a lack of foresight not to put more in.

The Vita is going to have big problems though. It's nice, but it's still a portable console, and those seem to be dying. The only real thing I'd say this has going for it above an iPhone is the controls, and someone could fix that on the iPhone with a shell. The 3DS isn't doing well, and the PSP was never that big here in the states. In the last year or two, it's barely felt like an also-ran. The only people I know who love them do so because they hacked it. My PSP gathers a ton of dust, coming out once in a blue moon.

Good luck Sony. Even if the Vita is a kick-ass product, you've got a hell of a battle in front of you.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157580)

A game console's specs really don't matter. What really matters are the games. Perhaps I'm in the minority but I really don't care if a game doesn't have pure HD graphics and ray-tracing and other eye candy as long as the game is fun. Heck, I'd rather have worse graphics and get rid of loading screens on any game than have better graphics with loading screens. I'd rather have a fun FPS like Team Fortress 2 that doesn't have fancy graphics than a game with broken gameplay but has excellent graphics. Once you get past a certain point where the game isn't really limited (I'd say about the 16 bit era for 2D games and the PS2/GameCube/Xbox era for 3D games) improving the graphics doesn't significantly improve gameplay.

iPhone "gaming" annoys the heck out of me. Most of the "games" must be programmed for people with the attention span of a gnat. There really is no game to speak of. I don't need a 70+ hour RPG every time, but I expect a game to have at least a good 10 hours of gameplay in single player mode to complete the story or main objective in a modern 2011 game if I'm going to be paying any money at all for it.

The 3DS was launched -way- too soon. First, its battery life is pathetic, especially when compared to the DS Lite which can hold a charge for a long time. Secondly, what games were worth playing to buy a 3DS for on launch day? The launch was the worst launch I think I've seen on a console in recent memory. Third, its already nearly September and there are -still- no decent games out for the 3DS that aren't ports. Yes, I love Ocarina of Time, but do I really need it on a million different consoles with nothing added? After all, I can get it on the N64, on the GameCube (with the added Master Quest for free for pre-ordering Wind Waker), on the Wii (via Virtual Console for $10) and now on the 3DS? I mean, if there was some added content, a re-worked sountrack or something it would be a must have, but assuming you've already played it, what's the point? And yes, Street Fighter IV: 3D edition is good, but again, it is a port.

I think that there is a huge market for real handheld games, it is just both Sony and Nintendo aren't putting out any games worth buying at the moment.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157846)

You're missing the what that ram will do.

Take Saints row 2 for example: FANTASTIC game. But its irritating when you turn around to catch a car you saw, and its gone. Yes its probably also a bad coding decision.

Bigger res in range, more stuff kept in the area at a time. Less reading from the disc.

You're really really short sighted.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (2)

MBCook (132727) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158028)

Specs only matter to the point that they improve the games. RAM is cheap, but can have a big effect on gameplay. More RAM means you can hold more a level in memory at a time, meaning you have less loading screens. I've had a blast with my GBA and DS despite their specs being orders of magnitude less than the PSP, iPhone, etc.

iPhone games are mostly little 5 minute time fillers, but there is some good stuff in there. Boardgames work especially well. I think having additional control options above the touchscreen would allow much better games. Very few action games work with a touchscreen.

I agree with the 3DS. The DS had a big game draught after launch, but there were enough good GBA games that it wasn't that bad. The price on the 3DS was a big mistake, the lack of a single must-have game was a mistake. It's been out for ~6 months and the only game I'm lusting after is the next Professor Layton game, which isn't out and probably won't need 3D.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (2)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158348)

I recon if Nintendo wanted to sell more 3DSs, they would produce a new (not ported) Mario title in the style of Mario Galaxy or Mario 64 and make it require a 3DS.

How To Spot The Idiots In A Console Thread (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157620)

The ones babbling about RAM sizes.

"Good luck Sony. Even if the Vita is a kick-ass product, you've got a hell of a battle in front of you."

Uh oh Sony! A random idiot posting on Slashdot just let everyone in the world know about 'teh RAM problem'.

LOL!

105 million PS1s
155 million P32s
55 million PS3s
75 million PSPs

Just think how many consoles Sony could have sold if they had your valuable insight into console graphics hardware design!

Re:How To Spot The Idiots In A Console Thread (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157728)

yes, loosing 100 million customers in less than a decade is something to brag about.

The iPhone 4 has 512MB of RAM. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157700)

Isn't this supposed to compete?

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158328)

Consoles, assuming they were engineered properly, are much more efficient with their RAM than computers are. I'm not current on such things, but typically in the past you'd be dealing with units of bits and as such you wouldn't be wasting as much as you'd end up wasting with a typical computer. Traditionally the same goes with storage space as well.

Re:Finally, something that doesn't record in 720p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157652)

Console developers work a lot closer to bare metal than PC software developers do. Less OS overhead = lower system requirements = they can cut corners on manufacturing cost by not having to dump 8GB of RAM into something that doesn't need it.

2 analog sticks (2)

whiteboy86 (1930018) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157206)

probably the most important spec. for me

Re:2 analog sticks (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157974)

The most important spec for me is that they dropped Pro Duo support in favor of a new proprietary format. Which is bullshit it's the same memory with a slightly different plastic molding (and probably slightly different pinning). Maybe they'll come out with one of these [amazon.com] in PSVita sooner rather than later.

But will it be fun... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157210)

But will it be fun? Hardware specs mean nothing if there aren't any good games for it. Hopefully Sony learns from Nintendo's mistake and actually has a decent library of games. Still waiting on a non-remake or original DS game to play on my 3DS I got as a gift back in June...

Re:But will it be fun... (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157394)

I've had both a PSP and a DS since they came out I've played every major game since their release. The PSP's library is much better than the DS's though still not that impressive. Hopefully the Vita will be better.

Re:But will it be fun... (3, Insightful)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157470)

Your comment about the 3DS can be said about pretty much every console prior.

A brand new system always requires time for developers to figure it out and more importantly to test the waters, so as to make sure it's worth investing in with original IPs, or pretty much anything that's not just a port.

Re:But will it be fun... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157536)

Release titles

Uncharted NGP
Little Deviants
Call of Duty
Lumines NGP
Sonic Generations
Mortal Kombat
Lego Harry Potter
Pro Evolution Soccer 2012
Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition
F1 2011
Hot Shot Golf Next
FIFA 12
Wipeout

Re:But will it be fun... (1)

Trilkin (2042026) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157636)

Om nom Lumines.

Battery capacity and real life endurance? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157316)

Shush, heathen! Look at the flashy pictures!

Re:Battery capacity and real life endurance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157414)

Obviously Sony has MASSIVE ADVANCES in battery tech that they've been keeping secret for this entire time.

Hmmm.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157452)

As someone who programmed all the consoles and have actually heal an early vita in my hands (but I didn't have the specs then) I think this can make better games then the PS3.

Fear Confirmed: non-replaceable battery (5, Interesting)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157472)

This means that the life of your Vita will be equal to the life (as in: able to hold a reasonable charge) of your internal battery. I'm on my 3rd battery for my June 2005 PSP-1000, so this is not without precedent. I'm sure you'll be able to find specialist stores that will put in a new battery for you, but this won't be cheap.

Re:Fear Confirmed: non-replaceable battery (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157720)

That won't matter. Everyone is a fan of Sony, so you'll just buy 10 of them in advance. If you weren't buying more than 3 you were probably a dirty game-copying pirate anyway, and the Vita's DRM will sense the evil in your fingers and use the last of its charge to give your location to Sony's team of Apache pilots and horror-movie schoolgirls.

Re:Fear Confirmed: non-replaceable battery (1)

chrb (1083577) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157730)

After discussions with my iPhone owning friends, I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that the only people who care about user replaceable batteries are a small subset of nerds and engineers. IMHO, the battery - the part that will degrade faster than any other component of a mobile device - should be easily field replaceable. But nobody cares. Apparently, "real people" buy a new mobile device every 12-24 months, so a user replaceable battery is a pointless feature.

Re:Fear Confirmed: non-replaceable battery (3, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157936)

That's about phones, and in a country where essentially no one buys a phone without a contract. It's a cultural thing, folks in USA are used to paying a shitload of money in installments, but almost nothing in front. I believe it has to do with way finances are designed to work for individuals in USA, essentially slaving them to stable income, and encouraging debt that's just barely repayable.

Go to some EU countries, or even third world and you'll see the exact opposite. That's why nokia is still the king of phones across third world - it's phones are actually honest to god cheap rather then "costs you an arm and a leg, but will cut them off slowly over 2 years as you pay its actual price".

Re:Fear Confirmed: non-replaceable battery (2)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158212)

Go to some EU countries, or even third world and you'll see the exact opposite. That's why nokia is still the king of phones across third world - it's phones are actually honest to god cheap rather then "costs you an arm and a leg, but will cut them off slowly over 2 years as you pay its actual price".

this is it. nokia doesn't disable features like bluetooth file transfers and tethering on its phones like the others. because it sells directly to users. it charges a price people think fair for the phone and then people are free to pay a fair price for their network usage. in us, the cost of the phone and the network usage is all mixed up, hidden. you simply do not know how much you are paying to the device manufacturer and how much to the carrier. and this lack of transparency keeps the prices a bit high.
what i've found is that if i buy a phone for $300 (~14k INR), and then use a prepaid sim, it turns out to be a lot cheaper than getting a phone (almost) free and paying $20 (~800 INR) every month for the network. also, phones bought directly from the manufacturer are usually easier to hack into and modify.

Wrong, batteries simply last longer than that (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158172)

Apparently, "real people" buy a new mobile device every 12-24 months

Are your friends doing that? I've never had to do that with any iPhone. For one thing if you got Applecare and the battery were dead within three years, they'd replace it for free. But in reality battery life has never dropped that much even after two years of solid use on the older phones.

Replaceable batteries are just pointless, since in the same (or possibly better) form factor, I can carry an external battery if I really need more time... which once you take out having get get a new battery because the old one failed, is the only other reason to possibly want a replaceable battery.

And the thing it gives you is significantly better battery life because all the space that would have been taken up with a door mechanism and battery casing can be battery.

In other [future] news (0)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157554)

Apple, HTC, Samsung and Googlerola have announced every single phone they sell in 2012 year either matches or exceed every single one of these specs.

Re:In other [future] news (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157722)

Really? They all have two analog sticks?

Re:In other [future] news (0)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158116)

I would not expect an iPhone to have any, but Android manufacturers are crazy seeking gimmicks to sell their devices over the others. Would not be shocked if one or all (but Apple) adds sticks or gamepads to one of their Android phone lines.

Talking off, my wife owns a Samsung Gravity, horribly cheap so the graphical capabilities suck, but I was thinking that the side-slide out qwerty keyboard would be great for gaming. Even better if it was replaced by plain dpads and few face buttons.

There is one thing that keeps Android going and it's precisely the kind of crazy unexpected stuff manufacturers can do with them.

Also some people have been making some crazy attachments that emulate bluetooth keyboards that can be paired with Androids and iOS devices. They just started coming out but I would not be shocked if they slowly became more and more popular and more game developers supported them. The face of mobile gaming is changing very fast and a portable that wont get updated for 5 years may not live long.

Re:In other [future] news (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157796)

Apple, HTC, Samsung and Googlerola have announced every single phone they sell in 2012 year either matches or exceed every single one of these specs.

1) Except for analog sticks, d-pads, and shoulder buttons. Controls is a spec too. My cellphone can be used as a remote control for my TV too... and its got way higher specs than my universal remote to boot... but nobody is predicting the end of remote's. The remote does the job perfectly ... because its a convenient shape, with tactile buttons that are arranged usefully. Cell phones utterly suck at it, with awkward controls.

2) I'm not buying my 7 and 9 year olds cell phones. But a portable console? Yeah, that could happen.

Phones and mobile games are definitely going to eat handheld consoles market share in a major way in the segments they overlap, but that overlap is not complete.

Re:In other [future] news (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158158)

I personally have no issue with on-screen joysticks but understand that others do.

No one is predicting the end of the remotes because remotes cost between 5 and 10 dollars and their batteries last months. With portable gaming devices, there are no such advantages. Only advantage the japanese handheld has over a phone is removable media game ownership (some may not consider that an advantage but many gamers do, for now) and big japanese studio support.

Tactile controls, as I noted in another reply, may not be a long lasting advantage. Samsung may release a phone next month with analog sticks and offer it as the "definitive gaming android device" and the others may follow suit very very fast. Even if they dont, there are people out there making bluetooth attachments that add these input schemes. Wont be long before some one like MadCatz start offering bluetooth cases with very discrete but tactile inputs. I would expect some to show by the end of 2012.

Finally, I think i would rather give my 9 year old a phone that I only had to pay 200 tops for (subsidized) than a 400 gaming device. With the phone, he can contact me in emergencies and, if properly configured, I can track down his location. But thats me.

The overlap may not be complete, but this thing already ate into the japanese handheld market share (its not going to happen, it already happened.) It has been moving so incredibly fast (in less than 3 years) that I would not be shocked if the only advantage vanished by the end of 2012.

Re:In other [future] news (1)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158370)

As the others have already replied to your post, gaming stinks on the Android and iPhone platforms. Without physical controls it's not very much fun to game on a touchscreen unless all you do is play sudoku.

can it run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157570)

can it run linux?

Re:can it run linux? (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158280)

Even if it does, undoubtedly Sony will take the option away a year or two into its life-cycle.

They haven't learned one PS3 lesson (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157608)

They're gonna be taking a loss at the announced price, and I suspect they'll end up with a quick 3DS-like cut and hurt themselves even more.

Here's hoping it works out for them, though. I'd hate to see interesting long-form handheld games disappear in the vortex that is Apple's destruction of that particular market.

PS3 Is The 3rd Fastest Selling Console In History (1)

VisibleSchlong (2422274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157664)

"They haven't learned one PS3 lesson"

Hilarious!

Sony's PS3 is the 3rd fastest selling console in history - only the PS2 and Wii sold at a faster rate. The PS3 has outsold the PS3 the Xbox 360 every year it has been on the market while being 100-200 dollars more expensive.

And all this was while the PS3 was still the launch price of the PS2.

Take the fanboy goggles off and come join reality with the rest of us.

Re:PS3 Is The 3rd Fastest Selling Console In Histo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37157790)

On the flipside, the retail shelf space (and corresponding number of titles) for ps3 games is usually about a third of that for 360 games in most stores I visit. I would wager many buy it for the bluray capability foremost and games second.

Re:PS3 Is The 3rd Fastest Selling Console In Histo (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158152)

Yeah? How much money did Sony lose while trying to get the PS3 positioned? Remember Ken Kutaragi getting his ass fired for bungling what the entire industry assumed was a surefire launch?

I'm just going to suggest I'm not the "fanboy" wearing "goggles" here, chief.

Re:They haven't learned one PS3 lesson (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158218)

if anyone can sell consoles at a loss for long enough to drive out others and turn profitable it is sony.

Figured it would happen sooner or later. (1)

Truekaiser (724672) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157658)

Someone would eat the pandora's lunch. I can already hear those people that are still in line for the first batch stampeding to the vita, once it's jail broken there will be no need for the pandora.

who? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157706)

What is sony? It sounds like a curse word.

Phones will outperform before the middle of 2011 (1)

poly_pusher (1004145) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157712)

Maybe even the turn of the year. I am not optimistic, I just don't see the point of a standalone portable gaming device when we have phones that are running the Unreal 3 engine and Tegra 3 is boasting 5x the processing power of those devices. They need to stop wasting their time developing hardware and start using more of the computing devices we all have in our pockets already.

Re:Phones will outperform before the middle of 201 (4, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157848)

I just don't see the point of a standalone portable gaming device when we have phones that are running the Unreal 3 engine and

Driving games are quite bearable. A few other genres work... some puzzlers... But playing an FPS on a phone sucks donkey balls. And anything that requires more than one or two buttons is unplayable... Scrolling shooters? 2D-fighters? Platformers... Disasters all of them.

Re:Phones will outperform before the middle of 201 (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158376)

Work with phone manufacturers to produce devices like the Experia Play with actual control buttons. Or work to produce devices that can attach to phone and give them buttons via a bluetooth HID device.

Sony, if you want to sell a bunch of these (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157724)

Do this.

Release the jailbreak yourself. Better yet, make a Linux distro and dev package for it. Bonus points if you make an X server for the graphics chip.

Re:Sony, if you want to sell a bunch of these (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158070)

Indeed. But let's face the facts, this is sony. As their otherOS fiasco showed, they care about locking their consoles down far more then about giving their users freedom to install another operating system.

Hell, it still has a proprietary non-volatile (storage) flash memory format, just so that they can cash in. Not (mini/micro)SD like most of the ultraportable hardware like mobile phones have.

Re:Sony, if you want to sell a bunch of these (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158234)

yeah right, so every other teenage asshole can download the rip of the latest vita game and install it on his vita.
forget it, piracy is a real threat to game consoles (unlike music) and sony have shown us that they will go to ridiculous lengths to thwart piracy attempts.

Competing with the iPhone / iPod Touch (1)

HumanEmulator (1062440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157824)

So there have been a number of articles [arstechnica.com] about how the 3DS (with an actual 3D screen) is having a hard time competing against the iPhone. Sony's entry? Basically the same specs as an iPhone 4 [wikipedia.org] . Yeah the Vita has a faster cpu and hardware buttons, but it also has a lower resolution screen and the games will be more expensive. Needless to say all the rumors point to a new iPhone being released in the next few weeks [appleinsider.com] which would probably close the gap on the cpu. Are hardware controls really going to sell $40 games?

Re:Competing with the iPhone / iPod Touch (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157964)

Vita games will also be about as comparable to iphone games in the same way as sex compares to masturbating with sandpaper.

Seriously, there are maybe 10 games total worth playing on iphone, and that is a very optimistic view (+ badly working console emulators). Rest are designed for people with severe attention deficit disorder and are typically less interesting then old 8-bit nintendo games.

They certainly do work for the masses that never gamed before however, as well as people who only play on the road in sessions of a few minutes. I.e. they're very well suited for their audience, and that audience is not gamers.

Re:Competing with the iPhone / iPod Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37158006)

The same specs? Yeah, I guess if you ignore the newer generation CPU, the fact that said CPU is quad core, that the GPU is two generations more advanced and also quad core. Don't forget the dual analog sticks, d-pad, face and shoulder buttons.

Re:Competing with the iPhone / iPod Touch (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158244)

playing games on iphone is like you gave a child a packet of m&ms. playing on the vita will (hopefully) be like eating at a lavish buffet.

Let me know when it's hacked. (2)

Ryantology (2388210) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157870)

All I ever did with my PSP was run emulators on it. Maybe someday I'll get the Vita, when my PSP finally goes tits up and I need a new portable emulation device.

Re:Let me know when it's hacked. (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158180)

Exactly! If I can use that hardware I'll buy it. If all I can do is what Sony says it's okay for me to do with it then they can eat it. I love the hardware specs. It's exactly what I want to replace my nokia n800. The screen is absolutely perfect and the quad core arm is great too. Plenty of RAM for a handheld computer. I'd pay 500 bucks for that if it ran Meego or, with that hardware, some form of Debian.

PS2 Compatibility.... (2)

ELCouz (1338259) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157908)

That would be good! Imagine playing Gran Turismo 4, Dark Cloud 2, FFXII, etc while riding in the bus ! :) nuff said!

Sounds Familiar (0)

fletto (1416865) | more than 3 years ago | (#37157972)

Call me dumb, but the Vita definitely sounds like a tweaked Pandaboard ( http://pandaboard.org/ [pandaboard.org] ) to me...

Decent... (4, Interesting)

DarkEdgeX (212110) | more than 3 years ago | (#37158138)

...but still lacking. I'm sad to see they're going with a proprietary memory card for games. I was hoping, at worst, they'd have two memory card slots, one proprietary one for games, and a standard SD or MS slot for expanding memory. Also sad to see video out is gone (PSP had video out at least, and I was hoping for a mini-HDMI connection or possibly wireless HDMI (since the standard is almost complete IIRC)). Oh well... maybe next console generation.

It needs games! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37158166)

The PS3 had no games for four years after launch, except MGS4.

The PSP still doesn't have any games.

It's funny because Sony really courted developers in the PSX/PS2 days and let everybody develop for relatively cheap. As a result both systems had enormous software libraries. I don't know why they dropped that strategy for the PS3 and PSP. Wouldn't you want to repeat a working formula?

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