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Android On HP TouchPad

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the wish-I'd-been-quicker-on-the-draw dept.

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NicknamesAreStupid writes "As fast as you can say '$99 blowout sale,' PC World reports on an Android port to the now defunct HP TouchPad. 'Of course, it will turn out to be the best Android pad ever, making the iPad stink by comparison,' reports Muphy's Law Reports."

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Logical contradiction (0, Troll)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#37175932)

It can be an Android tablet. It can make "the iPad stink". But it can't both at the same time.

Re:Logical contradiction (-1, Offtopic)

BootyClock (2444148) | more than 3 years ago | (#37175940)

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best advertising post ever (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37175962)

That is one of the best advertising posts I have seen in a forum.

Re:best advertising post ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37175986)

apart from laughing at the pathetic apple fanboys, what other reason is there to visit slashdot apart from the great and always relevant adverts?

Re:best advertising post ever (3, Funny)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176118)

Really? My friend told me MyCleanPC is malware. I am now worried MyCleanPC could be bad and make all my gigabits run slower if I use it. My computing has many gigabits plus lots of rams too. It is hard to trust MyCleanPC and other products when I see adverts in message boards.

Re:best advertising post ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176616)

Really? My friend told me MyCleanPC cures bad breath and keeps fruit and vegetables fresher longer. It gets 58 MPG highway as well.

Re:Logical contradiction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176002)

wtf?

I've never seen such a big spam entry on slashdot in my whole life!

Re:Logical contradiction (-1, Offtopic)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176064)

You do realize you're talking to a forum full of the tech savvy, right? When you say reformat, we do know what that means.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176130)

Since when does a spam bot realize anything? Did spam bot technology advance far enough for the spam bots to get self aware?

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176282)

Yes.

Re:Logical contradiction (1, Insightful)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176458)

Just a fucking pity they can't employ just as sophisticated of an anti-spambot on a tech-savvy website like, oh, say, HERE maybe?

It would be dead-easy to implement, any post with a link repeated more than twice in it cans the post, and 3 of them or more cans the poster. It's that fucking simple. It won't cure all cases but come on, this dickless asswipe has dozens of sock-puppet accounts here and spams nearly every thread here with 2-3 identical copies of his e-xcrement. I'm reasonably sure that the jag-off is doing this on other social media and tech websites too. What's the matter, not getting enough suckers to scam from the TV ads on basic cable?

I realize this forum is based on (almost) complete freedom of speech and not editing or moderating anything, but hanging's too good for this fuckstick.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176252)

N.B This advertisement has been brought to you thanks to Microsoft's shoddy operating systems.

* MyCleanPC requires Microsoft Windows.
* Most viruses require Microsoft Windows.

Re:Logical contradiction (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176392)

(*delivered in the best Clint Eastwood voice*)

You're really getting on my nerves, sonny. You better be careful, I've DDoSed people for less...

Re:Logical contradiction (-1, Troll)

MyCleanAss (2444274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37175960)

A few days ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a virus that held my entire PC hostage. It wouldn't give it back to me unless I paid $50! I tried all of the usual software, but nothing could remove it! My gigabits were slower than ever!

That's when I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I went to their website, ran a free scan, and that virus vanished off of my PC right this minuteness! I couldn't believe how fast my gigabits became afterwards!

From then on, my PC ran like new. Not only did MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally clean up my system, but it increased my speed! Everything was overclocking and running at maximum gigabits!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system and increased my speed!

If you're having problems with your PC, then I sincerely recommend using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . It'll not only totally clean up your system, but your computer will be running faster than ever!

But even if you're not having any visible problems, you could still be infected or have errors on your PC. So get MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a scan right this minuteness so your system will be totally clean like mine!

Watch their commercial! [youtube.com]

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Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37175980)

Go away spammer.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176048)

mycleanpc.com is just about the only american company left that is able to afford to pay for a primetime ad... their revenue is certainly well needed by the stations...

so why is it that people like you always show up and criticise the efforts of such companies? isn't their spirit what made america great in the first place?

Re:Logical contradiction (4, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176096)

isn't their spirit what made america great in the first place?

They're spamming scumbags, but yeah... their spirit has certainly played a part in making America what it is today...

Re:Logical contradiction (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176396)

Tricking people into buying snakeoil has made America great?

Now a lot starts to make sense...

Re:Logical contradiction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176474)

Oh, FUCK YOU SHIT-EATING SCUMBAG!

This is the ASSHOLE that has all the sock-puppet accounts.

The stupid fucking bastard posted one of the spams under the "Opportunist" user accidentally. This is the account he uses when he wants to be taken seriously.

I HOPE YOU DIE OF PAINFUL COLO-RECTAL CANCER YOU FUCK.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176716)

Please provide a link to the post. I looked in his comment history and couldn't find it.

Re:Logical contradiction (3, Insightful)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176038)

Mods, please irrevocably suspend user account MyCleanAss (#2444274) as an obvious spammer. Also, please pursue legal action against this person who is clearly violating the Geeknet terms of use.

Re:Logical contradiction (1, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176108)

Won't help. The spammer continually creates new accounts.

Re:Logical contradiction (1, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176148)

But maybe the lameness filter could be adapted to reject any post which contains several links to the exact same URL. Any such post is obviously spam.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Inda (580031) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176192)

Let him post his spam. Google will ignore his posts with the exact same links so close together.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176452)

The only thing that might get their attention is retaliation. Just take their web site(s) down. And not just that domain, but all of them. I am sure there are many.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176568)

So, post a MyCleanPC topic on the frontpage and slashdot their site?

Slashdot: The original, manual, Low Orbit Ion Cannon.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Stormthirst (66538) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176238)

Perhaps the mods should modify the script to auto suspend any account who links to MyCleanPC more than once in post?

Re:Logical contradiction (2, Insightful)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176420)

Perhaps the mods should modify the script to auto suspend any account who links to MyCleanPC?

TFTY

Re:Logical contradiction (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176052)

Will someone please hack mycleanpc.com and deface it with goatse and tubgirl?

Re:Logical contradiction (3, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176496)

As an owner of a Toshiba Thrive, and several IPad 2s, I'd have to disagree with you completely.

Can you expand the storage by 128GB with an SD card on the IPad[2]? No
Can you plug HDMI and USB into the IPad[2]? No
Does the IPad[2] have a user replaceable battery if yours dies, and you don't want the downtime of a standard replacement/fix? No
Does the IPad[2] have a 1280x800 or better screen? No
Can you get an IPad2 for $550, with 16GB of storage? No
Does the IPad[2] have more apps? Yes
-- Does it's apps contain a wider range of functionality? No
Can you get a large range of apps to give you most of the fun/functionality you need on an IPad[2], for free? No
Does the IPad[2] have flash? No

So, the advantages ot the IPad[2] are more apps (not necessarily functionally more, just more), and probably less malware (only a problem if you are ADD or a moron when downloading software), no flash, and it helps if your wallet is too heavy. Oh, and you get a device with a logo that shouts "I'm a pretentious prick!"

Yum.

Re:Logical contradiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176678)

As an owner of a Toshiba Thrive, and several IPad 2s. Oh, and you get a device with a logo that shouts "I'm a pretentious prick!"

Yum.

So you are a pretentious prick by owning several iPad's. Thanks for clearing that up. Meanwhile, I'll continue to use the device because it is extremely thin and does everything I need for now. Why with the greatest of Android why do you not own many Toshiba Thrives? I could understand a iPad (nothing else out at the time) but an iPad2? Please take the hate for a device that is incredibly useful for many of us (and it never leaves the house or work..so it is not a status symbol for me) to some Android fanboy site...oh wait this is one, forgot.

"No ecosystem" (5, Insightful)

EponymousCustard (1442693) | more than 3 years ago | (#37175970)

HP have inadvertently discovered how to create huge demand and massive customer base overnight: find the right price point and lots of publicity

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176044)

Too bad no one can afford to sell a quality tablet cheap enough. Fire sales excluded.

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176046)

So the right price point is over $200 below bill of materials? The 16GB TouchPad has a bill of materials estimated at $323. People are rushing to buy this due to perceived value. There are Android based tablets that retail for $75-200 right now, but no one wants to buy them. They're lower quality specs, screens, and builds. This is a rush to buy something that's supposed to be really expensive at an insanely low price.

Re:"No ecosystem" (4, Insightful)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176100)

I know you are right, but the problem is as following:

  • You either have to be significantly cheaper than the iPad to compete on similar capabilities. When I mean "cheaper", I don't mean $50 cheaper, I mean really much cheaper. If it's only 50€ difference, get an iPad, then you get something "known to work". This is the "perceived" value, you talk about. Capabilities includes quality hardware, so the cheaper ones you talk about are not competition.
  • Offer something that that the iPad doesn't have and beat it on capabilities while matching the iPads price. That is very hard as the iPad has so much going for it: large installed base, great "walled garden" app store (Which is a "pro" for most people, I assure you) , quality hardware. You simply know what you get... It cannot something that only few people care about, as that will not give you a great install base.

The iPad has become the "Windows of Tablets". The two arguments above are exactly why Windows still rules on the desktop.

Re:"No ecosystem" (5, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176154)

And being a guy who paid ipad prices for a real android tablet with the horsepower to run the apps smoothly, I still bought an iPad.

Why?

it's the apps man.

I can't get an app that will show me where the satellites are in the sky in a Augmented reality like I can on the iPad.
I can't get an integration app for Microsoft One Note on android.
I can't get a PDF annotation app that is as smooth and simple as the one for the iPad.
Only recently was I able to get an autocad viewer for android. but not an andriod honeycomb native, it's a phone app that scales.
And on and on.

Android falls on it's face with tablet specific apps simply because it has been around a short time compared to the iPad. Maybe in 2 years when the application base builds up I'll look at what android tablets are doing once more, but then I'll have to abandon all the software I bought for the iPad and re-buy all my software again.

the XOOM tablet is a nice piece of hardware and snappy... but it failed on the app front. I was lucky enough to have bought it early and chose to sell it early to get most of my money back on ebay.

I use a tablet for work. both my day job and my side photography business... and the iPad kicks android hard in the photography apps arena.

Re:"No ecosystem" (0)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176196)

Wouldn't that make you one of the tiny minority who actually uses his 'pad? ;)

Yes, I have been tempted, but I just cannot see what a 'pad can do that a notebook cannot do better. Except to hang on the wall as a picture frame that is.

Re:"No ecosystem" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176240)

The "Tiny Minority" is anyone with an Android tablet [zdnet.com] . A few million Androids across all lines vs 25+ million iPads? Or were you talking about tablets in general?

Re:"No ecosystem" (4, Interesting)

auLucifer (1371577) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176310)

I use an iPad at work and have since it was first released in .au. The best thing it does that a notebook (this is assuming pen and paper notebook) can't is get my notes on my computer. I write once in evernote/awesome note/whatever note application and it's then everywhere I will need it. Same for using dropbox and scibbling apps. I don't have to later scan or rewrite, it's all there on my desktop/phone/laptop for whenever I need access to it.

If you're talking about a laptop, I use the iPad for the same reasons above. Plus my macbook pro is heavy and my air is too big to easily carry or use in small areas like behind the sink when I work with recipes. I also can't use my finger to simply scribble diagrams or have others scribble notes from across the table. Also having the iPad gets rid of the 'wall' between me and my clients so it's useful for body language too, something I never underestimate.

As for everyone YMMV but those are the reasons I use an iPad. Next year I'll likely change to Android as I've had enough of the walled garden.

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176372)

The main thing that the iPad is tempting me with, is the games. The portable internet and stuff is a nice bonus, but it's it's use as a portable games platform that appeals to me. The reason I haven't bought one, is that it's simply too expensive for a games platform.

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

crossword.bob (918209) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176436)

[...] I just cannot see what a 'pad can do that a notebook cannot do better.

Ever tried using your notebook in "portrait" mode?

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

EsbenMoseHansen (731150) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176486)

No, why would I?

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176688)

> I just cannot see what a 'pad can do that a notebook cannot do better

I'd like to see you fit a notebook on a music stand.

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176218)

I use a tablet for work. both my day job and my side photography business... and the iPad kicks android hard in the photography apps arena.

Now I'm curious. How do you get the photos into it? AFAIK the iPad cannot read SD cards nor accept USB mass storage devices.

Aside from the cost the reason I've always written off the iPad is because I need something that will allow me to upload photos from an external digital camera and edit text files on an external media. Has the situation changed there?

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176246)

AFAIK the iPad cannot read SD cards nor accept USB mass storage devices.

There's a dongle [apple.com] for that.

-jcr

Re:"No ecosystem" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176394)

This is the iPad's only real weakness. The SD (or microSD since apple is so fond of "thinner and smaller") is the real reason why I wouldn't pick up the iPad on launch day, you defeat the purpose of thinner-and-lighter when you have to bring a bunch of dongles. Basically Apple's weakness in all their products is always being one step below the performance line and one step too high in price to get widespread adoption except by those with money to burn.

Now I do see where Apple is going with this, but other hardware manufacturers need to play along and stop being stupid about it. The Digital Cameras and Camcorders need to come with bluetooth as standard, even the cheapest throw-away models. I can't name any that have Bluetooth or WiFi. This also is a throw back to complexity issues, since how do you access the camera via BT or WiFi? Right now the closest you get are some WiFi devices that go in the camera's SD card slot that in turn only push photos to some predefined location. Wouldn't it be great to simply tap "connect my camera" on the iPad and then on the Camera you press a sync button or select "Send my Photos too..."

Remember Microsoft Surface? If the iPad2 or later has NFC, and cameras have NFC to establish a pairing relationship, this becomes so much simpler.

Same with the living room. Put the iPad in the AppleTV dock, and suddenly the TV is a giant iPad that can be controlled by a Wii-remote or Kinect gesturing.

Apples weakness. (1)

mevets (322601) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176588)

That weakness is killing them. They still aren't the world's most valuable company. Whats with that?

Re:"No ecosystem" (3, Interesting)

metalmaster (1005171) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176318)

You had me right up to this point

The iPad has become the "Windows of Tablets". The two arguments above are exactly why Windows still rules on the desktop.

Windows is an operating system. It can be installed on anything with the right components. Do you remember the "Vista Capable" fiasco? Just because a box has a CPU, RAM, a hard disk and a video card doesnt mean those components have to be specced high enough to run the software smoothly. Additionally, Windows doesnt rely on a walled garden of apps. Its the exact opposite. If you wanna install the latest application from www.iwannastealyourbankinfos.net you are entirely free to do so.

The ipad took off for a few reasons:

  1. - It was the first trustworthy tablet to market
  2. - It had the familiar interface and functionality that people loved with their ipod touch and iphone
  3. - It's got the developers behind it. As much as I hate to say "$x - theres an app for that" is pretty damned accurate. If you want something its probably out there. If not, you may be able to find a competent developer to write an app for you.

Im not a fan of Apple at all, but the above points are true for the most part. These are the reasons why i told my mom to return her touchpad and get an ipad.

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176404)

It was an analogy, and every analogy has its flaws. It was just to illustrate that the way Windows has the stranglehold on the desktop market, the iPad has a stranglehold on the tablet market. I'm not an Apple fan, but I have seen what iOS devices do to people that can't use a regular computer (They're not stupid, they just think in significantly different ways than we do) I agree with your points, those are the reasons the iPad took off... That and a significant amount of marketing plus the excellent reputation Apple has with regular people.

Re:"No ecosystem" (2, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176344)

I'm not sure either are that hard, and I think people are over-thinking the whole thing.

Tablets are "selling" right now because... well, because they seem like they might be a nice idea, but in practice they don't really do a lot, and they're not that practical. Most people who get them don't really use them that often. And realistically, when they do, it's to browse the web.

Given that, virtually every tablet selling for above $250 or so (which, generally, are tablets that include capacitive touchscreen technology, decent sized screens, etc) is "better" than the iPad, in that 99% of them include Flash. You and I and the average Slashdotter can go in circles as to whether or not Flash is actually a good thing for the web, but there's a world of difference between whether a technology is a good idea, and whether having it available to a user benefits that user. A web browsing device that doesn't support Flash is, right now, a second class web browsing device.

So the question really is, given that, why are they not selling as well as the iPad?

Well, quite honestly, it's the marketing. It's an impressive device rather than a (right now) utilitarian one, and while Apple happens to have done a lot of good innovative work in the last decade and a half, they also have done an astonishing amount of marketing based upon brand image.

Remember that what restored Apple to profitability wasn't Mac OS X, or the iPod's scrollwheel UI, or Firewire. It was the rather weird decision to replace the case of their Beige G3 all-in-one with a retro-shaped translucent colored plastic, and to name the resultant product the iMac.

Like the iPad, the iMac - the first version - sold like hot cakes. It was bundled with Mac OS 8/9, which quite honestly was, at the time, an ugly, kludgy, unstable alien OS that only hard-core fans of the system had any love for. It required an Internet connection or external floppy drive (external hard disks weren't common at the time) to transfer files from it. It didn't even have an outstanding software base at the time, as most of the software world had given up on the Mac platform.

But it sold. It sold because Apple marketed the hell out of it, and concentrated on it as a device that looked nice rather than had some kind of specific functionality that you had to have.

Now, Apple's ads for the iPad do spend a lot of time concentrating on functionality, but it's notable that - step away from the RDF for a second - and virtually nothing it's advertised as doing is something it's particularly good at, at least compared to a comparatively priced laptop or a much, much, much, cheaper e-reader. Why do the ads look impressive? Because they concentrate on the look of the functionality rather than the functionality. Nothing you see is something that works better on an iPad, but virtually everything you see looks really slick and aesthetically amazing.

Beating Apple is going to be hard for the moment. The major decider will be whether tablets take off in general. Once they become things everyone's accustomed to, I think the importance of functionality will become more of an issue. Until then, if it's going to be a beauty contest, and right now it is, you can't expect the supermodel to lose against the greasy engineer.

Re:"No ecosystem" (4, Informative)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176442)

You really don't get it, do you? I am posting this from an iPad. I and my wife use our 'pads for browsing, email, gps navigation, reference books, games, note taking, calendar, and address book. Lack of Flash is a minor annoyance, but to claim people don't use their iPads sounds like the wishful thinking of a bigot. Why the iPad instead of a netbook? Convenience. Larger screen. A battery that lasts through a day Netflix (wife was on bed rest until last night due to pregancy). Windows on a small screen sucks and Linux is too painful for me as a desktop.

Re:"No ecosystem" (1)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176610)

We have rolled out almost every type of tablet as a test to our users. They have claimed that they were needed, and loved them at first. A after a few weeks, the vast majority of the users have said that they rarely use it anymore....and now are back to their laptop. The biggest reason....."the tablet really needs a keyboard attached to it". The only users still using their tablet tend to carry a wireless keyboard with it. Others even carry a docking station around too. At that point, why not just have a netbook? The 12 and 13 inch netbooks seem to make our users far happier.

For the record, we have tried the HP slate, HP webOS products, ipad, blackberry playbook, and one other that I am forgetting. All end in the same results......."I wish it had a keyboard".

Maybe for sitting on the couch they work, but for productivity they seem to have been a flop around here. The only use they have left is for salesmen to put photos on....it is convenient for them to show photos to clients (and the pads look high tech for the impression factor).

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176094)

True. Unfortunately, they're selling these at Around a $100-$200 loss [isuppli.com] on each model sold.

Perhaps in 5 years the Touchpad could be profitable at $100-150. But not today.

Re:"No ecosystem" (2)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176582)

Not in the UK, they are still £400+ here :-(

Why do we always get ripped off?

Re:"No ecosystem" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176686)

£115 for the 32Gb from Staples this morning. Going, going, gone though.

android (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37175988)

Android has still a long way to go. The graphics system is still like that of win xp and therefor very inefficient and that wow factor that the Ipad has is still not possible in andriod but it was in webos. Best thing hp can do is opensource webos and lets all forget about andriod and start over from there.

Best Android Tablet ever? (0)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37175992)

Ah, so that's why Android tablets haven't been able to out-sell the Ipad, or for that matter the TurboGrafx 16 - no-one thought to try and port a non-tablet-optimised version of Android to a tablet that was designed for another OS, whose vendor has zero interest in helping. That's the secret sauce!

In fact, I hear Apple's plans for the iPad 3 are to try and get the Newton OS running on an etch-a-sketch.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (4, Insightful)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176010)

No, it's obviously much simpler than that: Price.
When it comes to android tablets, there's a lot of high-end offerings that can compete with the iPad in terms on performance, the problem is that they cost as much as (if not more) than the iPad.
Then there's the other end of the spectrum - the "cheap" android tablets. They're cheap in every regard: resistive screens, slow processors and minimal memory, they're mere toys. The fact that the touchpad is flying off the shelves shows that people are waiting for decent tablets to come down in price and don't care if it's not an iPad.

Android's tablet offerings could learn from this (And yes, I know it would be impossible to produce this tablet at this price and make a profit).

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

AVee (557523) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176102)

I've been thinking the same, however Apple does have a advantages over android vendors and others. The obvious one is their huge brand recognition and a few verdor lock-in tricks their dock connector. But mostly they have a pricing advantage, they can put lots of pressure on their suppliers, they have the advantage of scale while the android market is split between several players. But more importantly, they can afford to take a lower margin on the iPad sales because all those iPad's out there will generate revenue through iTunes and the app store. The android vendors will have to make a high enough margin on the sale of the hardware, because after that it won't be generating any revenue anymore. So I guess it might actually not be so easy to compete with the iPad on price without drastically compromising the hardware.
But who knows, if somebody does pull it off I'd be first in line.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176180)

I agree apple does have those advantages, but the same can be said for the iPhone, yet Apple would rather make huge profits than sell the most devices. I don't think their tablets will be much different, but who knows what the future holds.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

Wingsy (761354) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176414)

"But more importantly, they can afford to take a lower margin on the iPad sales because all those iPad's out there will generate revenue through iTunes and the app store."

Maybe they can afford to, but they don't. Their profits on iPads dwarf the profits on other tablets.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176186)

There are a couple ways to sell a tablet for $99, at this level of hardware quality, and make a profit overall.

However, they all involve DRM, and treating the tablet as if it's rented, not owned - monthly service charges on the OS, mandatory minimum monthly app purchases, etc., etc.

Alternately, strap a 3G or 4G radio to every tablet, and subsidize the crap out of them with cell plans.

Another way to do it, I guess, would simply be credit - sell them at $99 down, $19.99 a month for 24 months.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176264)

there's not that many high end android tablet offerings.
there's many ANNOUNCED high end android tablet offerings, but look what's for sale and it's not that many, it's almost just xoom and tab. anyhow.. a devices value shouldn't be determined on future sw updates - because that's always a lie, a stinky britchy lie. it's still useful for what you can do with it today, buying it on promises of future updates is like buying a xoom and expecting that it would run android 5.0. many of those high end android tablets are even announced by players who don't have early access to android, it seems like there's just two major manufacturers who do, motorola and samsung - which both bring biggest bucks to google and are the most visible on googles home turf usa.

and impossible to produce at that price and make a profit? well, blame their display and cpu suppliers - those could be produced with lower profit, the profit margin on them is pulled out of some guys hat, that's how hi-tech pricing works, it's not "well this takes this much ore so it's price is xxx" like with commodities. I'm betting they bought a batch of qualcomms stuff for a bad price originally. it's no good buying chips on steep "best of the best" premium and then letting them sit on shelves.

the hard part about the android port is probably going to be drivers, though I don't see why they don't just port alien dalvik over, no need for "full" vanilla android port, it runs on meego already so probably would be possible to port over to webos too.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176286)

I don't think the drivers are going to be that difficult. The CPU/GPU/etc are from the snapdragon platform, there's plenty of source code for kernels out for that already. I'm not sure it has any components that can't be found in other tablets/phones either, it'll just be a case of gluing it all together. The main issue will probably making Gingerbread workable without the hardware buttons, but then once ICS comes out, it'll be a non-issue.

Alien Davlik has been mentioned as well, but as far as I can tell, the developers feel it'd be better to port to Android and ensure the device has a future upgrade path since nobody knows what HP is doing with WebOS.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176554)

Add to your "short list", Asus Transformer (and Slider soon), Acer Iconia, HTC Flyer, Toshiba Thrive, and Viewsonic G. I have been checking them out at the local Best Buy/Office Depot/OfficeMax/Staples. So there are some choices available now (for those interested in the 10-inch netbook size market - for less money, I would rather have the greater freedom - Linux distro of choice - and function of a netbook if I am going to tote around that big a honker...).

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

jplopez (1067608) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176272)

> (And yes, I know it would be impossible to produce this tablet at this price and make a profit).

Then they could make the profit from somewhere else, e.g. subsidizing them like mobile phones are, with their data plans and all...

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

O_Sleep (199947) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176340)

That's just it. I have a feeling that these companies feel the market justifies a high price and so there is probably a ton of premium baked into these things. With the craze going around the hp touchpad, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lesser manufacturers takes a hint and drops their price for high end tablet hardware to ride the same wave.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176350)

There's slowly starting to emerge a "middle-end" for Android tablets.
Basically tablet with similar specs to the high-end machines with the same components, but of lower physical build quality, usually less battery capacity and unknown brand names. Prices halfway between an iPad and the lowest-end tablets, at around $200-300.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176520)

Already "out there": Barnes and Noble's Nook Color - well understood by hackers who have made it a highly functional Android tablet.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176526)

I wish there were more tablets with resistive screens. Capacitive sucks ass for writing or drawing on.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176566)

I still think people who are curious about them have been holding off because the price/usefulness ratio is still not there yet.

Android in a phone is good. I can do lots of cool things with it. As WiDi gets more common, I would be happy to connect my phone to a display with a keyboard, mouse and even use my phone's touch screen as an additional input device. Tablets offer more display size, but that's about it. I am okay with a tiny touch keyboard on my phone, but when the touch keyboard becomes huge and still takes up most of the screen, I am at a loss to wonder what they are thinking.

I like Angry Birds on a tablet. I like running a picture slideshow on my tablet. That's just about it. Everything else goes on my phone.

I was curious about ebook readers. I'm not curious any more. I was curious about tablets. Not curious any more. I think the public needs to catch up a bit.

Putting Android on the HP Touchpad was the first thing I thought of hearing the news. But you know, if/when people are successful at doing that, it will soon be forgotten. Newer/better hardware is coming and soon people will lose interest in them. About $100 is the correct price-point for things like this.

Re:Best Android Tablet ever? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176654)

Exactly. It's price. The premium manufacturers are competing on price with the iPad, when they should be competing with each other. It's stupid. Anyone prepared to pay silly money for a tablet has probably already bought an iPad. Manufacturers are being too greedy and it's hurting sales. There is no reason IMO that a decent 10" capacitive tablet with 16GB, dual core, wifi should cost more than €300. Stuff like GPS, compass, rear camera, 3G etc. is nice to have, not essential.

Archos are releasing a 101 G9 model in September and it's looking extremely promising [archos.com] from the specs. It's even expandable to 3G via an inexpensive expansion that doubles up as a PC usb modem. If it sells well it might act as the cluebat to beat some sense into the other manufacturers.

Terrible article. Terrible summary. (5, Insightful)

HumanEmulator (1062440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176014)

The "summary" makes it sound like a port is available now, and then throws in an iPad comparison that's nowhere in the original article. From TFA:

"Figure this will take a good long while. Keep your expectations very low and for now enjoy WebOS..."

and my favorite...

"Further complicating the initiative, some of the developers don't yet have TouchPads."

So this is 3 guys planning a porting effort of an older version of Android. (Google hasn't released the source code to Honeycomb yet.) Also from TFA:

"Still, people who bought it took a risk, since it's not clear if HP will continue to develop the operating system."

Really, that's not clear? You think HP might be planning major OS updates for a tablet they just fire-saled?

Re:Terrible article. Terrible summary. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176490)

Really, that's not clear? You think HP might be planning major OS updates for a tablet they just fire-saled?

HP has dumped its hardware business. But HP has indicated that they are planning on supporting WebOS for the moment. If they want to be a service company, I would argue that they should keep their software products. With HP's track records, I wouldn't be surprised if they drop WebOS in the future. But for now, it appears they are keeping it.

Re:Terrible article. Terrible summary. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176718)

Supporting WebOS and making a new version of WebOS -for the TouchPad- are not the same thing. I'd say the latter is very unlikely.

Re:Terrible article. Terrible summary. (1)

Kadagan AU (638260) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176572)

I was thinking the same thing. How does this become front page "news", three guys are planning to port an old OS to a piece of hardware which has been discontinued. Who cares? I see that it's cheap, but so is almost anything else that has been discontinued.

best Android pad ever? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176028)

of course, since it has a lot in common with the iPad. Size, position of ports and buttons and I can even use the original ipad sleeve with it. What I like on the Touchpad is the swooshing of apps to the top to close them. I do not think it is a good idea to run android on it. WebOS is just fine.

Re:best Android pad ever? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176418)

You plan on swooshing apps all day long, or do you want to actually use apps?
If the former is the case then sure, go ahead and keep enjoying WebOS as it currently is and will always be.

Worst "article" ever (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176032)

What an absolutely ridiculous article. Terrible writing. It reaks of nothing but fervent hate for everything Apple, instead of focusing on software, availability etc. Waste of bytes, waste of traffic.

Re:Worst "article" ever (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176104)

Welcome to Slashdot.

Re:Worst "article" ever (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176150)

Yet, when I did a search for "apple" it doesn't come up once in the article. I even read it and it's not about apple in anyway. Are you mental?

Re:Worst "article" ever (-1, Troll)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176268)

Yet, when I did a search for "apple" it doesn't come up once in the article. I even read it and it's not about apple in anyway. Are you mental?

This is a proof that apple fanbois are like fundamentalist Christians:
fundie: Whould you like a leaflet on Bible Class?
other: No thanks I'm a Buddhist
fundie: Why do you hate Jesus?

Apple Fanboi: Whould you like an iPad ?
other: No thanks I've got a cheap tablet that I might be able to run android on
Apple Fanboi: Why do you hate Apple?

Re:Worst "article" ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176434)

Asking is a fanboi mental? You are new to our planet right?

Re:Worst "article" ever (0)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176258)

. It reaks of nothing but fervent hate for everything Apple,

Well at least its got something going for it then.

Not looking at it for now (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176082)

My wife picked up our touchpad yesterday from Harvey Norman for 98 AUD. Its hard not to be happy at that price. I can see that most of the time we will use the web browser to it doesn't matter much what operating system we run.

Re:Not looking at it for now (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176116)

My wife picked up our touchpad yesterday from Harvey Norman for 98 AUD. Its hard not to be happy at that price. I can see that most of the time we will use the web browser to it doesn't matter much what operating system we run.

I too wish I could pick up a HP TouchPad for that price. But unfortunately the Finnish shops haven't realized the firesale and are still stubbornly selling them with the original price... :/

Re:Not looking at it for now (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176322)

They must be making a fortune because HP seem to be giving these TouchPads away to the retailers.

Re:Not looking at it for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176438)

Wish they even had them at all in Japan.

I guess I'll just have to console myself with the fact that iPad 2s here are free with a 3G contract.

New business plan (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176146)

So we know now what companies have to do to beat the iPad: Build tablets and sell them for about $220 less than the cost of the parts. I wonder at which point Apple would start buying those tablets and taking them apart because that is cheaper than buying the parts. (I was told the Touchpad had the same screen as the original iPad, and what Apple pays for the screen is not far away from the $99 that the Touchpad sold for).

Re:New business plan (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176256)

This'll sound monstrously stupid, but that's actually where Android partners could have a long-term advantage. As components get cheaper, eventually they'll be able to put out a "good enough" tablet (the current Touchpad spec, for example) for something like $150. If they can beat Apple to that market - and Apple's historically been slow to reach the mid- and low-end consumer - then they have a game on their hands. I figure they probably have a window of a year or two between when a $150 tablet is feasible and when Apple steps in with its own take on that niche.

Re:New business plan (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176298)

Well, with the huge advertosing budgets that some companies pour into their products, it just might be worth it to instead pour that money into huge discounts for consumers to get a large enough install base that you get customers via word of mouth alone. It's just crazy enough to work!

Re:New business plan (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176314)

It works until you release version 2 of the product at twice the price in the hope that you'll start making money. Torch and pitchfork time.

If that was true (2)

aglider (2435074) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176174)

Then HP should either consider to go back on its own footsteps or to sack the CEO.
Better both.
And, by the way, the iPad really stinks [google.com] .

As the saying goes... (0)

myneknoturs (1937926) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176214)

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

Gingerbread (-1, Troll)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176364)

TFA states Gingerbread-based devices were release over half a year ago and no source is available as yet.
Isn't Google supposed to be releasing the sourcecode due to GPL requirements?

Re:Gingerbread (1)

nloop (665733) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176464)

You mean Honeycomb, not Gingerbread. Only the kernel is GPL. You can get the source for that. The rest of Android itself is Google's to do whatever they please with. Before Honeycomb it was Apache liscensed. Now the source is closed.

Their stated reason was they didn't want people to create a "really bad user experience" trying to cram Honeycomb into devices not capable of taking it.

Always sounded more to me like they gave Motorola a deal where they would be the only Honeycomb vendor with the Xoom.

Re:Gingerbread (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176580)

You're thinking "honeycomb" and I wouldn't worry about it. Android 3.0 is one of those growth steps. Once the next version is out and the sources isn't there? Then there's something to be concerned about.

TouchPad is DOA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37176470)

Did NO ONE catch the news that HP has already killed the TouchPad?????

Why the hell is this waste of time article even on here? TouchPad and WebOS are dead.

Yea, just as they dissapear from shelves... (1)

trum4n (982031) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176538)

this becomes public. I was trying to order one yesterday for just this reason. Kinda pissed.

If you can find one...... (1)

firesyde424 (1127527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37176614)

I didn't find out until late Saturday afternoon and by then, all the stores in the area were sold out. Over the course of the next two days, I went from one bogged down retailer website to another until I had amassed three confirmation orders via email, for HP Touchpads. All three were canceled via email yesterday, including the one from CDW that actually charged my debit card. There are still several retailers(Newegg, Circuit City, ect..) who have them in stock(verified via telephone), but have not lowered their prices yet. There is also the matter of anyone who didn't sell their stock and returned them to HP instead. Hopefully I'll end up with one by the time this is all said and done.

I don't have a need for a touchpad for the same reason I don't have a need for an iPad. But, for $99, I think I could find a use for it. =)

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