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Inside Oregon State University's Open Source Lab

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-of-stuff dept.

Open Source 55

In his main page debut, ramereth writes with a look at the infrastructure of OSUOSL from Linux.com. From the article: "Many people use Linux in many ways, often totally unaware that they're depending on Linux. Likewise, those of us in the open source community depend heavily on Oregon State University's Open Source Labs (OSUOSL), but may not even realize just how much. Thanks to one of the final talks at LinuxCon by Lance Albertson, it's much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is."

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Yo Yo Yo! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37180824)

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Sing It With Me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37180826)

Everybody, sing along: OSU-OSL, M-O-U-S-E!

Re:Sing It With Me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37180910)

Many moons ago, the MU Commons at OSU used to have something called the "Bever Burger" on the menu (the Commons had a food service function at the time)...

Re:Sing It With Me! (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#37180982)

For those wondering about the comment above, the OUS mascot is the bever.

Re:Sing It With Me! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181060)

For those wondering about both comments above, both of them are too stupid to spell "beaver".

Re:Sing It With Me! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181190)

For those of you wondering about the fascist above worried about spelling, the mascot is indeed the "bever" which is an abbreviation for "beverage." The OSU mascot really was a cold beer in which a large portion of the campus community imbibes in generous amounts. It is particularly hilarious to watch the mascot running up and down the football field stumbling and unable to run in a straight line. Sadly, the university has "sold out" and allowed the image of the OSU bever to be purchased, and it is now a Coca-Cola. Fortunately, Seagrams has made a small donation to the athletic program so it is not quite as bad as it sounds.

Re:Sing It With Me! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181366)

Finally a university that admits what campus life really is about.

perhaps not the most neutral source (0)

Trepidity (597) | more than 3 years ago | (#37180900)

It may well be a very important lab, but this piece reads a bit like fluff. The fact that one of the lab's members gave a talk saying it's important isn't the world's most neutral assessment of its importance; that is pretty much what people do when representing their labs at conferences.

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37180984)

What else could you expect out of the open source community? Truth? Bwahahaha!

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181204)

I expect more from the OSS community, than the academic community to be honest. The amount of (CS) papers I've read that either fabricate the results; fail to mention serious drawbacks; only work in extreme edge cases; have hand massaged data sets;or fail to acknowledge any computing advances from the last 10 years; is a bit beyond ludicrous to be honest. At least an OSC project will be honest about the presence of bugs.....

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181420)

If it's any comfort, it's not different in statistics. One of the most often heard excuses when delivering a horribly botched paper is "I thought that's what you wanted to hear". And while they surely will have a great future in the reality of statistics in various companies that fudge them (there's very little truth left in statistics, far too much money involved in it), like your people will have a great future in PR, it's NOT what you want in an academic environment.

Well, not what you should want, please, leave me the last figments of my illusions.

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (2)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181042)

The fact that one of the lab's members gave a talk saying it's important isn't the world's most neutral assessment of its importance

Yeah, you need a 2000 year old book to add weight to those sorts of tactics..... ;)

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37197994)

Sorry, it's officially only about 1700 years old at this point. But some parts do date to earlier than 2000 years ago. ;)

Re:perhaps not the most neutral source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181830)

It might be fluff, but I think it'd be kind of silly for anyone other than OSU to give a talk about OSU OSL.

Huskies Rule! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181176)

Quack like the open source ducks you are, Oregon! ;->~

Seriously, though, the best part of Open Source is they go away with treatment, and an internal solution of Bheer.

Re:Huskies Rule! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181260)

Quack like the open source ducks you are, Oregon! ;->~

Seriously, though, the best part of Open Source is they go away with treatment, and an internal solution of Bheer.

Really? Try reading more than one word of the summary. TFA is about Oregon STATE University (beavers) not the University of Oregon (ducks).

Re:Huskies Rule! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181266)

Watch yourself there. OSU is the beavers, you are referencing the much hated U of O, this is an offense punishable by drowning in craft beer, depending ones religious affiliation.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181492)

Drowning in US beer? That's violates your eight amendment!

Re:Huskies Rule! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181278)

OSU = Beavers
U of O = Ducks

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

SilentChasm (998689) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181314)

Wrong university. OSU is beavers, not ducks (Ducks are UO).

That said, OSUOSL does provide mirrors for a lot of the distros I've downloaded. They apparently host a lot of other stuff for open source projects too.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

pkinetics (549289) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181348)

Spoken like someone who never attended UW.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182064)

Spoken like someone who never attended UW.

I'm a grad. 92.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182912)

Then please, at least learn the other schools in your conference before you talk shit. You look like an idiot, when it's the Ducks that are supposed to look like idiots!

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 3 years ago | (#37183220)

The "whoosh" of the original comment going over your head was audible over a thousand miles away. He intentionally confused the mascots of OSU and UO, in order to antagonize the OSU fans (and probably the UO fans as a side benefit).

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37183230)

I've never been to a UW football game, but I've been to championship winning crew and soccer competitions. In Seattle, soccer is more popular than old fogie football. We're a feeder college internationally for soccer players.

Wake up, it's a new century.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

gchaix (1716666) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181360)

Quack like the open source ducks you are, Oregon! ;->~

Umm. Wrong school. OSU Beavers [wikipedia.org] , not those silly Ducks down the valley. :-)

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181812)

As others have mentioned don't get your ducks and beavers mixed up. They take that pretty seriously in Oregon.

Re:Huskies Rule! or the tale of Ducks and Beavers (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182122)

Mostly follow the away soccer and crew games, actually.

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181954)

I see what you did there. :3

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182052)

oh, OSU, they're ok.

actually, we collaborate with them on a lot of research projects.

Duck!

Re:Huskies Rule! (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182898)

Just like a UW fan, they don't even know which other Pac-12 school to hate on.

Here's a hint. OSU = Beavers. UO = Ducks.*

*unless talking about the Ohio State Buckeyes and the University of Oklahoma Sooners.

OSUOSL is the place to party. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181252)

The OSL is probably one of the coolest places on campus. The LUG community at OSU is also a great place for a linux lover.

GO BEAVS!

So... hosting? (0)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181264)

If I understand that article right, the lab provides hosting to medium-large OSS projects. Is that right? The summary makes it sound like the OSUOSL contributed some often-used libraries or tools, but it just sounds like they leveraged their University bandwidth to feed a server farm. I don't consider that so very impressive.

Re:So... hosting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37182618)

Oh my, MetalliQaZ said something is not impressive, guess that's it guys, let's go home.

Re:So... hosting? (2)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182782)

Kernel.org and several other sites are hosted here. They do not use the university's bandwith, they have their own connections. Google gave them some funding a few years ago, along with several other companies to help pay for bandwith.

In fact, you can see their bandwith graphs here: from their provider, nero.net, which conglomerates many state of Oregon groups and buys bandwith (similar to badger.NET in wisconsin)
http://netfoo.nero.net/netviewer?meta=partner&locale=OSUOSL [nero.net]

(keep in mind, they have a mirror in the midwest provided by (I think) TDS)

Re:So... hosting? (1)

gchaix (1716666) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182876)

(keep in mind, they have a mirror in the midwest provided by (I think) TDS)

That is correct. We have two FTP mirrors hosted by TDS (Chicago and New York) in addition to the systems we have on campus in Crovallis.

Re:So... hosting? (1)

ramereth (752738) | more than 3 years ago | (#37183218)

(keep in mind, they have a mirror in the midwest provided by (I think) TDS)

That is correct. We have two FTP mirrors hosted by TDS (Chicago and New York) in addition to the systems we have on campus in Crovallis.

You can see their bandwidth utilization here: http://ftpmap.osuosl.org/ [osuosl.org]

Keep in mind that the Corvallis server is out of rotation currently because of some hardware issues.

Re:So... hosting? (2)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182904)

We employ roughly as many programmers as sysadmins, and write plenty of code. http://code.osuosl.org/ [osuosl.org]

Re:So... hosting? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37183616)

Django

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Re:So... hosting? (1)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37184066)

"much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is" (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181450)

You can learn how to do what they do, in your basement, it'll just be somewhat smaller and slower, by at worst only by about two orders of magnitude. In fact my basement is considerably more technologically advanced than their datacenter. In fact, a recent string of emails on the NANOG mailing list about basement labs indicates my basement is relatively crude and simplistic.

Compare and contrast w/ my house

2770 square foot data center with 76 racks

About the same floor size, although they're about seventy racks ahead of me. I had three at one point. Now I have none. Distributed computing...

the connection to the outside world is 2Gbps

OK they have me beat by a factor of 100.

130 virtual machines.

They've got me by a factor of 10, unless the trip thru the journalist filter means they've got 130 virtualization hosts which would imply almost uncountable images. I only have about two dozen images across 4 hosts.

"I hope by the end of the year we'll finally have IPv6."

I've got them beat by about a decade. "Legal reasons" prevent them from running a tunnel over their existing lines to H.E. or sixxs? I've never heard of such a thing. Can't even imagine.

Eventually, Albertson says that the project will be moving to Puppet

I've got them beat by a couple years. Really, once you are "admin" of more than a dozen or so images/servers, you need it...

Ganeti supports Xen and KVM, but Albertson says that the lab has switched over to KVM after having problems with Xen.

I fooled around with them, but I now mostly use LXC images. Kind of a top down approach rather than bottom up. Needless to say, I'm a nearly 100% Debian site, both hosts and images, LXC isn't the kind of thing you use to run W2K or OSX. LXC is really boring, it just works, except for integration with AFS.

Re:"much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is" (2)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182028)

I am not a full-timer, and I am not speaking on behalf of OSL.

The "legal reasons" alluded to are mostly problems with other signers on the contract for our upstream bandwidth provider. *coughDuckscough* At our bandwidth scale, tunneling is not feasible.

We don't run Puppet at the moment, we run CFEngine. Everybody's receiving Puppet training and there's a slow-yet-steady migration to Puppet, but these things take time. There are quite a few people depending on us to not fuck up, so we don't change our stacks without deliberation and testing.

Re:"much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37183248)

Posting AC since I'm a former UO employee...

You don't get you bandwidth from UO, you get it from NERO. They just happen to have offices in Eugene. And they have been IPv6 capable for quite a while. UO has already turned it on, they just don't offer a lot of services via it due to low client population.

Also you guys are majorly dragging your feet on the Puppet thing. UO has been on it for about three years, and it is leaps and bounds better than CFEngine. It doesn't seem to help that a large portion of your staff are students with little background in system administration - not only do you have to teach them the tools, you also have to teach them the practice.

Re:"much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is" (1)

ramereth (752738) | more than 3 years ago | (#37183444)

Also you guys are majorly dragging your feet on the Puppet thing. UO has been on it for about three years, and it is leaps and bounds better than CFEngine. It doesn't seem to help that a large portion of your staff are students with little background in system administration - not only do you have to teach them the tools, you also have to teach them the practice.

Oh I agree. Its been quite frustrating not getting very far on our puppet migration. And it has been difficult to manage considering most of our help is from students whom we have to teach/mentor at the same time. I wish we could hire more full-time sysadmins but we simply don't have the money so we have to make due with what we have.

Re:"much clearer now just how important OSUOSL is" (1)

ramereth (752738) | more than 3 years ago | (#37183380)

The "legal reasons" alluded to are mostly problems with other signers on the contract for our upstream bandwidth provider. *coughDuckscough* At our bandwidth scale, tunneling is not feasible.

Indeed, tunneling IPv6 at our scale would be quite silly.

We don't run Puppet at the moment, we run CFEngine. Everybody's receiving Puppet training and there's a slow-yet-steady migration to Puppet, but these things take time. There are quite a few people depending on us to not fuck up, so we don't change our stacks without deliberation and testing.

We've been using CFengine since nearly the day we started so we have a collection of CFengine recipes that go back 5-6 years. Its going to take a while to get everything in a state considering there's only one full-timer (me) and 4-6 undergraduate students. Granted we're working on just getting a bootstrap set of modules done first (which is almost completed). Additionally we're writing our modules so that they are reusable (which takes more time) for other people and plan to post them on puppetforge eventually.

Trying to work on that plus keep up on regular maintenance, new projects, misc fires, conferences, etc all adds up. We do a pretty good job of keeping up on tasks but we do fall behind sometimes. We take pride that we run a pretty tight ship and want to continue that moving forward.

Everyone has Linux in the home. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37181488)

Your DVD player, your Flat Panel TV, your BluRay player, your Mp3 player stereo, your router, even some kids toys run Linux.

It's everywhere because Windows cant be and has a gigantic cost compared to using linux in the product.

Re:Everyone has Linux in the home. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37183670)

Your DVD player, your Flat Panel TV, your BluRay player, your Mp3 player stereo, your router, even some kids toys run Linux.

Sorry, bro but the vast majority of the models of the products you list do not run Linux. They mostly run QNX or things like VxWorks or some homegrown OS. This notion that Linux is dominant in the embedded space is popular freetard myth that doesn't match reality. And with respect to routers, Linksys was really the only major company using Linux and that was pretty much all but phased out after the BusyBox lawsuit against Cisco in favor of VxWorks.

Re:Everyone has Linux in the home. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37185486)

This isn't a Linux or Windows world. You lost the debate before it even began... not to mention that you're totally fucking wrong.

Re:Everyone has Linux in the home. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37200292)

  LG tv's eula in the manual specifically mentions linux.
Panasonic TV's ohh lookie a linux eula. sony TV's, Samsung TV's.... It's all over the internet and hidden in the manuals... Oh SHARP as well...
Sony and LG blu ray players... same thing... Maybe if you took a second to look Oh wait, you're "mister know it all"...
But then you are some full of shit raging idiot that actually knows nothing at all but makes crap up because it makes him feel good.

  I'm with lumpy on this one. It is well known that Linux is used in most Home electronics.

TUsBGIRL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37181614)

would take about 2 do, or i8dded what

They mirror just about everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37182108)

From Apache to just about every Linux distro you've ever heard of, they run a mirror for it.

I max out my considerable downstream connection from them frequently. These are cool people doing a pretty cool thing.

Re:They mirror just about everything (3, Funny)

ramereth (752738) | more than 3 years ago | (#37182148)

From Apache to just about every Linux distro you've ever heard of, they run a mirror for it.

I max out my considerable downstream connection from them frequently. These are cool people doing a pretty cool thing.

What's funny is we sometimes get abuse emails from ISP's complaining that we are DOS'ing them when in fact its their users just using our mirrors.

No mention of CSOS project in the 90s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37185006)

This comment comes from someone who used to volunteer at CSOS (Computer Science Outreach Services) at Oregon State University back from 1990 to 1994. CSOS is what eventually became PEAK [peakinternet.com] , now a commercial Internet provider in Corvallis. I used to work directly with folks like Jason Thorpe [netbsd.org] (NetBSD), Jason Downs (NetBSD/OpenBSD), Jeremy McDermond, John Sechrest (who oversaw everything... sort of), and a couple other equally important folks but whose surnames slip my mind.

CSOS was an interesting project [peak.org] intended to provide access to networked computers (all UNIX of course) and Internet access to the general community of Corvallis. It consisted consisted mainly of NetBSD boxes of all flavours, particularly on HP300 boxes (a couple did run HP/UX), some Wyse/DEC-like terminals, a very large dial-in modem pool (eventually migrated to a couple Annex devices). I believe there was a machine or two which ran 386BSD as well. There were also some other volunteers who did things like Radio Free RAT, which to my knowledge was the first "Internet radio station" streamed live via MBONE and had some electronica bands like Violet Arcana come to the datacenter/offices for an interview and a brief session. At one point they even had a public IRC server (which was connected to what it now called EFNet; irc.csos.orst.edu). I would provide links to all of these things, but there really isn't much on the web about CSOS; about all you can find are the old machines: jacobs, kira, nyssa, king, and poe.csos.orst.edu.

I was never sure where the funding came from, but I imagine the university was the main source, in addition to members of the community (individuals and companies) giving donations.

My points are that 1) CSOS played a small but important role in the overall development of NetBSD and general Internet and community services (again keep in mind the decade in which this was being done!), and 2) Oregon State has a history of doing things like this. I really did expect to see mention of CSOS in Lance's slides, but I digress.

Re:No mention of CSOS project in the 90s? (1)

ramereth (752738) | more than 3 years ago | (#37185072)

I really did expect to see mention of CSOS in Lance's slides, but I digress.

That predates me by quite a bit and had never heard that story before. I'm surprised John Sechrest never told it to me when he was still living in Corvallis. Its very interesting to hear that though! I will have to remember that the next time I give this presentation. Thanks!

OSU=Oregon Ag (1)

jimmydevice (699057) | more than 3 years ago | (#37186466)

Back in the 70's, I rode down with some students from PSU to a lecture.
As we pulled into the campus, The wise-acre grad student driver noticed the sheep barn.
He stated, And to your right, is the student recreation center.
Good Times.
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