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Chinese Propaganda Accidentally Reveals Cyberwar

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the us-replies-with-ping-of-death dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A Chinese military propaganda video aired in mid-July inadvertently showed a Chinese military university launching cyberattacks against U.S. websites. The Epoch Times reports the video shows 'custom-built Chinese software apparently launching a cyber-attack against the main website of the Falun Gong spiritual practice, by using a compromised IP address belonging to a United States university.' A screen in the video also reveals 'the name of the software and the Chinese university that built it, the Electrical Engineering University of China's People's Liberation Army.'"

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Script kiddies, seriously China? (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37181566)

Apparently China's best and brightest hackers need a GUI with drop-down menus and a big "Attack" button.

The sleeping dragon is strong indeed. I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.

WTF? Pre-post comment. (1, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183012)

Speaking of hacking, you posted over an hour before the article release time? How did you do this? I know you have a subscription, but so do I and I've always had to wait to comment until the article publish time. Hacked Slashdot lately?

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183042)

Because I'm so fucking awesome I can now post into the future.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183266)

Wouldn't that be history?

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

Sinning (1433953) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183324)

Only if it happened before he posted.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183044)

Equal time for commies?

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (5, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183056)

Okay, actually, this article was originally posted at about 2 pm, but got bumped for the earthquake story. I got the one comment in before it got bumped, apparently.

But I'm still fucking awesome.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

suso (153703) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183096)

Ah ok. I've seen this happen maybe twice before. Honestly, I don't think its really necessary. Is it really ever that slow of a news day for geeks? (rhetorical question)

oh pleeeease! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183102)

frist psot?!!

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183234)

How DOES one copulate with "awesome"?

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 2 years ago | (#37184026)

It's her stage name.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

Xaedalus (1192463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183258)

But I'm still fucking awesome.

Hope he's still tight up there. After a while he tends to wear thin.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183824)

You must be old here.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183062)

They posted->archived->reposted the article leading to the time shift.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (4, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183072)

And I read his comment right after he posted it, tried to reply, and it was rejected due to an "unknown error". Then the entire article disappeared for an hour.

I was beginning to think Chinese hackers took it down...

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

PIBM (588930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183098)

I had the same WTF moment lol :)

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

Kreylix (322480) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183134)

...actually, they were the ones who caused the earthquake. Next time, they'll hit DC on the nose. Our base is theirs.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183184)

...actually, they were the ones who caused the earthquake. Next time, they'll hit DC on the nose. Our base is theirs.

And nothing of value would be lost.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183408)

Actually, that would greatly improve the US as a whole.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183480)

But that's their plan. They cause an earthquake in DC, then we view them as heroes.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (4, Interesting)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183522)

actually, if they hit DC, we just declare the disaster so severe that the united states no longer exists -- they killed the beast! -- and then pick up right where we left off with USA2.
Minus all our debt to them.
Because that was USA1.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183210)

elrous0 has a habit of top posting. Just watch...

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183566)

maybe he got the article from the firehose? I've commented on articles in the firehose 24 hours before they go live on /. and I don't have a subscription.

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (1)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183752)

Speaking of hacking, you posted over an hour before the article release time? How did you do this? I know you have a subscription, but so do I and I've always had to wait to comment until the article publish time. Hacked Slashdot lately?

-1st post!

Re:WTF? Pre-post comment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183856)

Speaking of hacking, you posted over an hour before the article release time? How did you do this? I know you have a subscription, but so do I and I've always had to wait to comment until the article publish time. Hacked Slashdot lately?

Really, Come on. If you ask this question then you may not like his answer. lol. JK!

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183170)

probably its an easy way to get research money. You just put some visual basic front end on some readily available tools and convince the military that now every soldier can take part in cyber-warfare. To update the list you as for more research money. To make it portable (html5 front end) you ask for more money.

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (2)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183618)

probably its an easy way to get research money. You just put some visual basic front end on some readily available tools and convince the military that now every soldier can take part in cyber-warfare. To update the list you as for more research money. To make it portable (html5 front end) you ask for more money.

Are you accusing the Chinese of making elaborate fake software? The Chinese would never sell something that was fake. [slashdot.org]

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (5, Interesting)

gnick (1211984) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183252)

Blatant sub-kiddie-script level hacking by the Chinese government (possibly the best funded cyber-warfare division on the planet) against the Falun Gong being "exposed" by a web site created by the Falun Gong? I wonder why my Spidey-Sense is tingling?

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (2)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183316)

Blatant sub-kiddie-script level hacking by the Chinese government (possibly the best funded cyber-warfare division on the planet) against the Falun Gong being "exposed" by a web site created by the Falun Gong? I wonder why my Spidey-Sense is tingling?

It's good that it's tingling, but I have to say, you don't seriously think the Chinese government is any less incompetent than other governments, do you? I fully expect "the best funded [whatever] of [any world government]" to always look rather primitive and poorly implemented compared to anything I could whip up in five minutes with what I have lying around the house. I have the benefit of not being a committee, after all...

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (0)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183334)

"You havin' fun in the big world outside?" the construct asked when Case jacked back in. "Figured that was Wintermute requestin' the pleasure...."
"Yeah. You bet. Kuang okay?"
"Bang on. Killer virus."
"Okay. Got some snags, but we're working on it."
"You wanna tell me, maybe?"
"Don't have time."
"Well, boy, never mind me, I'm just dead anyway."
"Fuck off," Case said, and flipped, cutting off the torn-fingernail edge of the Flatline's laughter.

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (1, Offtopic)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183612)

He came in steep, fueled by self-loathing. When the Kuang program met the first of the defenders, scattering the leaves of light, he felt the shark thing lose a degree of substantiality, the fabric of information loosening. And then — old alchemy of the brain and its vast pharmacy — his hate flowed into his hands. In the instant before he drove Kuang's sting through the base of the first tower, he attained a level of proficiency exceeding anything he'd known or imagined. Beyond ego, beyond personality, beyond awareness, he moved, Kuang moving with him, evading his attackers with an ancient dance, Hideo's dance, grace of the mind-body interface granted him, in that second, by the clarity and singleness of his wish to die.

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (3, Interesting)

Applekid (993327) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183338)

Apparently China's best and brightest hackers need a GUI with drop-down menus and a big "Attack" button.

The sleeping dragon is strong indeed. I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.

For the same reason not every single soldier knows how to make a rifle from raw materials. It's up to the weapon designers to build it and make it simple for the ground troops to use.

Save the script-resistant sites (opponent military computers, etc) for the special ops, let the butts-in-seats brigade cause general casualties around the commercial non-hardened sites.

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183526)

I don't know why, but it reminds me of Snow Crash for some reason.

Re:Script kiddies, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183710)

Apparently China's best and brightest hackers need a GUI with drop-down menus and a big "Attack" button.

The sleeping dragon is strong indeed. I wonder if they have a "Pull trigger to fire" sticker on their rifles too.

And another on the barrel "Point this side to the enemy".

Streamlined (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183090)

Its another example of China streamlining a process and using it in their war against the rest of the planet. Like gold farming or melanin tainted baby formula.

Re:Streamlined (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183182)

I think you mean melamine-tainted. Melanin is something else - not an industrial plastic used* to mimic protein for certain chemical tests.

(* also used to make bowls and plates and stuff like that.)

Re:Streamlined (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183262)

Makes a great dry erase surface too. There's a special place in hell for the bastards that put it in baby formula.

In Republic of China .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183104)

it's the cyber-attack that launches you.

Re:In Republic of China .. (3, Informative)

bluemonq (812827) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183222)

Wrong China.

Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183112)

There's one detail to bear in mind when you read the article from The Epoch Times.

From wikipedia: The The Epoch Times [wikipedia.org] was founded in 1999 by supporters of the Falun Gong spiritual discipline. [...] The newspaper is heavily critical of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and policies of the Chinese government.

Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong (3, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183356)

Good point. However, the entire video is online on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Wu1HlZbBk&feature=youtu.be&t=36s [youtube.com] . The interesting bits start at 36 seconds in. Anyone who speaks Chinese care to take a look at the entire thing to check for authenticity? The channel owner who uploaded the youtubee video seems to be fairly pro-China, but who knows... I have no idea what's going on in the entire thing. For all I know, this could be a video for how to create VB apps for a call center.

Re:Epoch Times founded by Falun Gong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183680)

This might be somewhat helpful. [google.com]

After a little coaxing Google translate shows that guy who uploaded thie video gave it this title: " [CCTV-7 military technology 2011-07-16] Internet Storm coming / Network War 2 / 2". Don't forget there's a part 1/2 to this video.

CCTV-7 is their "military/agricultural" cable channel.

We'll need someone who can speak Chinese here.

hmmm (1)

Nyall (646782) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183168)

I'm wondering who is responsible for the Falun Gong website and where they live?

It'd be pretty hilarious to see a lawsuit in US courts against the Chinese government going after Chinese government property. (US debt)

So Now It's Official: So What? (1, Insightful)

cmholm (69081) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183172)

So, now the cat is officially out of the bag. So, what? We already knew there was something up. Are we going to sail gunboats up the creek at Guangzhou and shell some forts? Blockade their ports? Embargo their trade? No. Hell, we still gave them control of a root DNS node, even though it's obvious this gives them added offensive capability. Really, all this might do is tweak the language in subsequent news reports when Chinese attacks occur. They'll still deny them, but now that there is an (inadvertently) officially acknowledged offensive capability, the categorical denials won't carry as much weight.

Do we... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183174)

Do we still have to pay them back the money we owe them if they are attacking us? Can we just call it even?

Re:Do we... (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183412)

You can ignore paying back anyone.

Just don't think they will lend you anything in the future.

weird (3, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183176)

The Chinese government has a weird obsession with Falun Gong, which I don't quite understand. I was in Flushing, Queens the other week and there was actually this whole (unmanned) table with signs, flyers, etc., blasting the Falun Gong as this insanely dangerous cult. I can't imagine who set it up other than the Chinese government.

Re:weird (4, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183328)

A fair number of Chinese students seem to buy into the official party line, part and parcel. Over the past few years we've had some small demonstrations at the University of Washington by these students, protesting US media "lies" regarding Falung Gong, Tibet and/or the Dalai Lama, etc.

follow the money (2)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183626)

a fair number of those "students" are funded by PRC government; for them, it's just a job. the roof over their head and the food on their table are paid for by PRC. so really, is it a surprise that they're out in force whenever anyone disagree with the current party line?

Re:follow the money (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183754)

a fair number of those "students" are funded by PRC government; for them, it's just a job. the roof over their head and the food on their table are paid for by PRC. so really, is it a surprise that they're out in force whenever anyone disagree with the current party line?

I'm pretty sure nearly all of the Chinese students here are funded by the Chinese government. Out of state tuition is a bitch.

Oh, did you mean that they are specifically paid to also protest?

Re:weird (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183340)

That's pretty much my reaction about folks who are rabidly against Scientology. I don't get it. Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist. The same can be said about any religion.

Anyway, back to Falun Gong. Here's what a Chinese ex-pat told me.

The Falun Gong very quickly organized tens of thousands of people to gather - doesn't matter that all they did was meditate - and it scared the shit out of the Chinese leadership. The ability to get that many people together that fast and under the noses of the leadership is extremely worrying to them. THAT put them on the leadership's shit list.

It's was interesting how he talked about the Chinese leadership. It was almost like a teenager talking about their overly strict and uptight parents. "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be back by eleven - whatever." Rolls eyes.

.... except when they execute someone for something ...

Re:weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183550)

Go to one of their 'introductory, induction' meetings...
I think you will get an understanding of why those of us who have had dealings with scientologist hate them so much.

Re:weird (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183558)

That's pretty much my reaction about folks who are rabidly against Scientology. I don't get it. Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist. The same can be said about any religion.

How about work camps? [wikipedia.org] Essentially labor camps for people in Scientology who break certain rules. I've heard pretty bad things about them, but admittedly they were third hand. Still, Scientology reeks of cultism. Have no idea about Falun Gong though.

Re:weird (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183744)

" I don't get it. "
let me spell it out for you:
1) They use a variety of mental tricks to get you to join.
2) They hound there member to go into debt to pay for the next course
3) The pressure people to leave their families
4) When people at to leave, they are harass, as are there friends and family members
5) They spread medical lies that kill people.
6) The use people figures to manipulate the truth about their cult.
7) They abuse the court system in mass when someone says or does something they don't like.
8) They will lie and do anything to back up there 'belief'.

Re:weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183920)

But do they use "there" & "their" properly? =P

Which is funny because you did get it right in 3 & 6, but not in 2, 4 & 8.

Re:weird (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183830)

Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist.

5 minutes on wikipedia or operation clambake turns up some worrying things on them. Of course thats true for most organizations, but then while you ponder that you can watch as the CoS fires off a C&D to wikipedia and operation clambake.

Thats basically it, they react violently to any criticism, bringing the law and whatever else they can muster down on the heads of anyone who dares criticize them. That seems to make them worthy of "a reaction".

Re:weird (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183880)

When you are a government, any government, and within your borders there is a group that on the drop of a hat could have a million people doing whatever said organisations wants, it's worrisome.

Cults aren't really none for their respect of others. Look at Jamestown. The fanatic believers put everyone else to death at gun point.

Now, that i n NO WAY excuse Chinas treatment of the people, just why it would make them nervous. Of course, because China is rather suppressive*, it's easy to point to them as the bad guys without think of the goals or motivations of the people they are in contention with.

*not to be confused with suppresive people in Scientology - the a SP is someone who encourages people to think for them selves. They are compared to Hitler and others(PTS) are separated from them.

Re:weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183966)

I don't get it. Pin someone down as to why they're so against it and they make vague references to someone somewhere being killed or something by a Scientologist.

I picked up a flyer once - this was in the early 80s - that said "Free Psychological Analysis!" with a bunch of multiple choice questions on it. "Cool!" I thought, and I filled it out and either mailed it in or dropped it off at a little strip mall office, I can't remember which. Later, at the little strip mall office, I was fed line after line after line of complete and utter bullshit to try to get me to pay in order to see the results of the "Free Psychological Analysis" that was promised to me. So, these scum sucking shit-eaters LIED, on PAPER, to me. I couldn't care less about how many people they supposedly killed or whatever anyone else's beef with them is. What I know for a fact is that they lied to me. Thus, I will not be satisfied until their entire shit-eating lying money cult has been crushed and every member of Scientology has either renounced their affiliation with the organization or is dead.

Re:weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37184002)

Scientology doesn't scare you because you don't know how dangerous they can be. They actively campaign against mental health, don't trust medicine or drugs of any kind, and all of your problems are caused by alien souls infesting your body.

http://www.scientology-lies.com/faq/society/dangerous.html [scientology-lies.com]

Re:weird (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183350)

Because it's an anti-government cult set up by the CIA and Taiwanese to destabilize China. Gee, I seem to remember the US government slaughtering the entire "Branch Davidian" cult in the 90s and they are much much smaller than Falun Gong and did not have any backing from foreign intelligence services! Also, Epoch Times is an anti-China propaganda paper. I'd take it about as seriously as a paper from Hitler Youth.

Re:weird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183422)

Yeah, I saw a similar (same?) set of flyers on a table inside the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco.

Best guess is that they view the Fulan Gong as a religion-- one that they don't control.

For an example of a religion that they do control, take a look at the official ("government-approved") Christian church.

Clearly that the government believes that a religion with many followers can be a threat to their power...I think someone mentioned there is an example in Chinese history of a religion bringing down a government or possibly a dynasty.

Re:weird (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183428)

The Chinese government has a weird obsession with Falun Gong, which I don't quite understand.

They demand there must be no national organization other than the party.

For a USA analogy, look how much daytime TV hosts LOOOOVE the internet. Their viewers are treated to endless FUD and terror tactics about the evils of the internet, and how the village moron would be perfectly safe if only there were no internet. There must be no popular media but the mainstream media. Same idea.

Re:weird (4, Interesting)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183512)

Falun Gong calls attention to how the Chinese Communist Party acts in opposition to many traditional Chinese values. This is incredibly seditious considering that the CCP relies on the Chinese achieving more or less blind unity based on what are pushed as shared cultural values.

I was recently watching a CCTV documentary on the Seven Scholars of the Bamboo Grove, and like everything on CCTV I always start wondering 'what is their political angle?' And sure enough, they were primarily focusing on the Seven Scholars deliberate avoidance in politics and how that preserved them when others were being purged for their intrigues. The CCP wants people to avoid politics as much as possible, which includes any criticism of the government.

Falun Gong questions the morality of the government and the CCP within the tradition three dimensional contexts of Chinese morality: Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. Even though China is a very secular society, these criticisms are very seriously taken by the CCP, which is always living in fear of losing control.

If you're really interested you could look into the Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party (which is banned in China) and the Tuidang Movement. Both of which are sourced in Falun Gong and do have an air of propaganda to them at times, but a thinking person can still find useful information even among such chaff.

Re:weird (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183518)

Falun Gong = Al Qaeda

Re:weird (2, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183536)

Religion is toxic, and one of the great accomplishments of the Maoists was to damage its influence in China.

While it is rare that a national government is in the enviable position to oppose superstition, I support their efforts against backwardness. One day anti-religion may be regarded as visionary.

Re:weird (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183704)

Yeah and they managed to slaughter a good 60 to 100 million people too.

Rot in hell you f%$k.

Re:weird (4, Insightful)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183740)

I don't like religions either, but if the choice is freedom and religion or neither, I'll keep on tolerating religion.

People may be wrong, but to force them to be right through prosecuting thought crimes is a disgusting dystopia that I will not accept.

Re:weird (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183872)

You act as if it would be possible to have freedom without allowing others to practice religion....

Care to explain?

Re:weird (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183928)

No, I'm allowing for the albeit incredibly unlikely possibility that people would stop following superstitious nonsense voluntarily. I can dream, at least while there are no thought crimes.

Re:weird (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37184004)

What a disgusting comment.

Re:weird (3, Interesting)

shugah (881805) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183538)

It's funny - in Vancouver Falun Gong has had a permanent protest camp in front of the Chinese Consul General's compound on Granville Street for 10 years. It caused the city a lot of embarrassment when the city went to court to remove the permanent protest "hut", won at the BC Supreme Court but was over turned on appeal. They went back to the drawing board to draft a new bylaw that would outlaw permanent protest structures in residential neighbourhoods (Consul General is in Shaughnessy - a very wealthy residential neighbourhood) but allowed them in commercial areas. The city was embarrassed again when it came to light that the city manager consulted with the Chinese Consulate on drafting the bylaw. We should allow the Chinese government to advise us on how to handle a free speech? I expect the new bylaw will also be challenged as the consul general promotes trade and issues visas - so if they are conducting commercial activity, regardless of the residential zoning, protest structures should be allowed.

Re:weird (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183800)

The chinese government isnt really a fan of any large, independent organization that it cannot directly control.

Duck and cover (1, Insightful)

RenHoek (101570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183202)

So.. since the US made such a big deal about cyber attacks being seen as an act of war, can you guys let me know when the nukes start flying?

Oh.. wait.. China? You mean the US's sugardaddy? nvm..

Re:Duck and cover (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183346)

Meh. We close the Big Box stores ( Wal-Mart, KMart, Target, etc ) and China's economy will collapse into a singularity.

We're attached at the hip so to speak. . . .

Re:Duck and cover (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183914)

Don't close them yet! China is actually one of Walmart's biggest growth markets.

We just need to wait until their long term invasion plan is in place, and they have everyone in China wearing blue vests instead of green caps.

Re:Duck and cover (1)

Frangible (881728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183534)

Sure, laugh about it now. But when cyber attacks turn into invading Alaska, don't blame me if you didn't prepare by making a giant superpatriot robot and T-51B power armor.

Re:Duck and cover (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183930)

China only owns about 15% of the US national debt. Most of it is owned by Americans. If China stopped buying our debt, it would hurt a bit, but we'd survive it. If America stopped buying Chinese goods, their economy would collapse.

The talk of China owning America is overblown. It started with jokes on late night talk shows, and somehow grew into common "knowledge".

Re:Duck and cover (2)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37184020)

Less than that. The US has $15tn of total debt, roughly, of which slightly under $1tn is Chinese. Not a particularly impressive figure.

The University (for the lazy) (1)

MischaNix (2163648) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183228)

University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Re:The University (for the lazy) (1)

Virtucon (127420) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183468)

No, Bama is a good place to go to school. I think that because we have a more open society this is going to happen. The Chinese are aware of this and have been using it to their strategic advantage.

Frankly, I don't know why we don't firewall off China and it's vassals like Pakistan off from the rest of is and carefully monitor and filter what goes via that firewall.

Re:The University (for the lazy) (1)

MischaNix (2163648) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183556)

Th UA system is tine we just spend absolutely no money on IT and NetAdmin outside of what the government needs. Ergo this is no surprise.

Re:The University (for the lazy) (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183968)

Becasue the more open we are, and the more and more there people get exposed to the outside, the more they will move away from complete dictatorial control.

Isolating them only gives them an enemy to rally their people against, and considering the male heavy society, that would inevitably mean war., probably with Russia and Europe; which means with everyone.

You insensiTive c7od. (-1)

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Re:You insensiTive c7od. (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183378)

Allah Gold, is that you?

sophisticated chinese icebreaker (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183260)

ROIC

Re:sophisticated chinese icebreaker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183490)

ROR!

Re:sophisticated chinese icebreaker (1)

ThisIsSaei (2397758) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183598)

You can't break through my Iron-Warr defenses.

Re:sophisticated chinese icebreaker (0)

Wahakalaka (1323747) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183802)

lol...

And in related "news", water is wet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183308)

This is a surprise?

Consider the source (0)

Dandano (584147) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183410)

Remember folks, Epoch Times is a Falun Gong house organ.

Name of software (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183448)

A screen in the video also reveals 'the name of the software

Everything China makes is just bad ripoffs of our original work. So... how do you write "Back Orifice 2000" in Chinese, and does that match the video?

Description doesn't seem correct... (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183466)

In the video, the user selects from the drop-down first, and then the IP address is automatically filled. It would be useful to get a direct translation of the text.

Bullshit. (0)

unity100 (970058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183498)

Some students in some school trying to hack a remote website as a lesson or undertaking a project of cyberwar does not constitute cyberwar. if it is a military school it is even more than normal that they would be given such a project, because - not surprisingly - the military types see something called 'cyberthreat' and are carrying their military mindset to information technology like they get everything involved with warfare.

otherwise defcon et al would be considered the biggest cyberwar perpetrators on earth.

Really, an "accident" by China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183530)

Does everybody really believe this "release" wasn't an "accident" by China?

UAB says they're not compromised? (1)

SecurityGuy (217807) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183554)

I loved the part where a network administrator from UAB claims their network hasn't been compromised. News flash. If you're on a university network--any university network--it's been compromised.

Congress Needs to Get This Message (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183578)

China is NOT our friend.

China spends inordinate amounts of money on espionage to steal government secrets and attempts to steal private intellectual property.

It is time to stop coddling the Chinese leaders.

Of course, that would take strong leadership here. Sheesh.

Re:Congress Needs to Get This Message (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183674)

And what would you have them do, WW3?

I don't think you understand how beneficial it is to the US armed forces' intelligence arms and the CIA to have fairly warm international relations with China. If we were to cool those off and things closed up, we would know less about them than they would of us (it's easier for them to work by proxy than it is for us, by and large).

Epionage works both ways, brah.

Not necessarily... (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183620)

*squint* ...nah, they've just taken a subtle jab at the decadent capitalist propaganda, the "C.S.I.". This is obviously a GUI made quickly in Visual Basic, to trace IPs.

Seriously, though, just because a some form of an user interface, or mockups of the same, exists, doesn't mean the software does. And the IP address shown doesn't necessarily mean anything - could be just a random number. What it does show is that someone in Chinese government probably considering whacking Falun Gong sites, one way or other - and that would not exactly be news, now would it?

In case this wasn't already the worst kept secret. (1)

Paladin114 (2438004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37183646)

Attacking the Falung Gong website? Not exactly an act of war.

selective truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37183712)

So now everything you see in propaganda reel is gospel again?
Wasn't there a clip a few months back that got panned roundly because they spliced in a segment from the motion picture '"Top Gun"?
Take your pick which one is more believable.

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