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Sports Bars Changing Channels For Video Gamers

CmdrTaco posted about 3 years ago | from the we-watch-channel-zero dept.

Real Time Strategy (Games) 351

dtmos wrote in to say that "This summer, StarCraft II has become the newest bar room spectator sport. Fans organize so-called Barcraft events, taking over pubs and bistros from Honolulu to Florida and switching big-screen TV sets to Internet broadcasts of professional game matches. As they root for their on-screen superstars, StarCraft enthusiasts can sow confusion among regular patrons... But for sports-bar owners, StarCraft viewers represent a key new source of revenue from a demographic—self-described geeks—they hadn't attracted before."

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Still not a sport, try as you may.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192142)

I guarantee that if I'm at the bar watching a White Sox game, and somebody turns it off in favor of some video game, there's going to be hell to pay.

(replace "White Sox" with your favorite team that plays a real sport based on physical prowess)

Come on, bring out the -1's. Show me how malevolent you really are, slashdot moderators.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192214)

I guarantee that if I'm at the bar watching a White Sox game, and somebody turns it off in favor of some video game, there's going to be hell to pay.

(replace "White Sox" with your favorite team that plays a real sport based on physical prowess)

Come on, bring out the -1's. Show me how malevolent you really are, slashdot moderators.

It's not like they just show up and take over a bar. The article states that they organize events and plan them in advance. Regulars may be confused. Go White Sox!

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0, Flamebait)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 3 years ago | (#37192590)

And if you are a "regular" at a sports bar you most likely suffer at least some mild retardation.
Confusion in the retarded can at times cause them to become violent.
I understand how the GP feels. Retarded and confused is a tough way to go through life.
We should understand this as a society and leave the retarded to their "Sports Bars" (It is so cute we call them that.)
We can pad the walls. Guard the entrance and keep them safe from "outsiders".

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192232)

I agree, when a real sport is on, like golf or billiards, those damn videogames have no place!

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37192268)

At least those are more entertaining than baseball.

Don't you mean.. (1)

intellitech (1912116) | about 3 years ago | (#37192406)

Golf?

Re:Don't you mean.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37192476)

Way more action than baseball. At least someone is always doing something, making progress.

Re:Don't you mean.. (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#37192540)

Someone is always making progress in baseball: either the pitcher or the batter. And the spectators actually clap.

Correction (1)

intellitech (1912116) | about 3 years ago | (#37192604)

The spectators are actually allowed to clap.

Re:Correction (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#37192676)

You can do anything you want if you're spectating it from your living room.

Re:Don't you mean.. (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37192798)

I have seen games that could have been played by 4 players, 2 pitchers and 2 catchers for 90% of the game. Also WTF is up with the lack of a playclock? The game is too slow to be entertaining.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (4, Interesting)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37192434)

I've never understood how FPS capture-the-flag games that had a good active spectator mode, like Tribes, etc. never caught on as a spectator sport with video gamers and traditional sports fans alike. It seems like they've got everything your average sports fan would enjoy. a medium size squad of players who have specific positions to fill. quick turnovers, last minute saves, plenty of opportunity for both team tactical dynamics AND individual heroics to affect the match, etc. Easy-to-explain goals and dynamics that don't becoming boring (unless the map encourages turtling).

Seems like it's almost custom-built to be a great spectator sport.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

Deltaspectre (796409) | about 3 years ago | (#37192538)

Regardless, this baseball game needs some new maps instead of these boring re-textures.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37192262)

Luckily, finely honed reflexes and well developed fine-motor skills are not forms of physical prowess... so the status of Real Sports is safe.

C'mon: Obviously, for the basic reason that our metabolisms sure as hell didn't evolve for sitting on the couch and letting our fingers do the work, getting actual exercise is healthy and useful(some people are even into it for its own sake, I'm told).

Plunking your ass on the couch and cheering as your tribe fights the away tribe, though, bears basically the same relationship to real physical activity that plunking your ass on the couch and cheering as your RTS-er of choice drops some stimpacked marines on the opposition's mining outpost. That is, None At All.

Spectating isn't a sport, no matter what you are staring at.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192652)

Spectating isn't a sport, no matter what you are staring at.

Amen to that. Spectating is horribly boring. I'd rather play the sport or video game myself than watching some guys I don't care about do it.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

redherring728 (1927764) | about 3 years ago | (#37192264)

After years of restaurants and bars showing exclusively sports, and changing the channel TO sports if it's not already on sports, it's nice to see that there's something on the screen that YOU don't care about for a change. Now you know how we feel. I wouldn't even want to watch Starcraft, but it would be a welcome difference from that crap that's normally on there.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 3 years ago | (#37192714)

So, let me get this straight, you think that restaurants and bars should change the channel from one thing that you are completely uninterested in but some of their other patrons are, to something else that you are completely uninterested in?

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192272)

(replace "White Sox" with your favorite team that plays a real sport based on physical prowess)

How does baseball fit into your argument?

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 3 years ago | (#37192318)

(replace "White Sox" with your favorite team that plays a real sport based on physical prowess)

How does baseball fit into your argument?

Well, look on the bright side: he at least picked the one real baseball team in Chicago, and not the Cubs :)

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

The Moof (859402) | about 3 years ago | (#37192552)

I don't know. I think baseball in Chicago is some king of large-scale practical joke I'm not in on. Fans fervently arguing with one another about which team is better, while they both struggle to be .500 teams. Some kind of intense battle over mediocrity...

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

Kreigaffe (765218) | about 3 years ago | (#37192686)

It's all just an effort to forget about the Bears

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (5, Insightful)

Yamioni (2424602) | about 3 years ago | (#37192302)

I have to respectfully disagree. Starcraft and other competitive online games are just as much a sport as baseball and football. Just like traditional sports, they require that you have good reflexes. They also require that you strategise and think ahead, predicting your opponent's moves better than they predict yours, in order to succeed. Just because the player isn't wearing protective gear and sweating in the sun doesn't mean it is any less intense; the focus is just shifted more off of the player's body and onto the mind. That also doesn't mean that the sport is less enjoyable or interesting to both the participants and the spectators. Different strokes for different folks ya know?

We live in America. Majority rules. If ten people want to watch the Sox play, and 20 want to watch Starcraft, the bar owner is going to change the TV. And if you start shit about it, they will happily tell you to leave. Money talks. Mouthy assholes who think the world should cater to them and their every whim walk.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192564)

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. Here is the definition of the word sport:
sport

[spawrt, spohrt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

I'm not personally opposed to the idea of competitive and/or professional gaming, but it is simply not a sport, and the insistence on calling it a sport or even worse an eSport only invites ridicule from those not involved in it. It's important to note in the definition is that the athletic part is a requirement, while the competitive part is not. So when I'm playing backyard football for fun, I'm still playing a sport. When I'm playing Boggle or blackjack competitively, I am not playing a sport. And professional blackjack players will not try to dispute this, since they know it would only lead to ridicule. If competitive video game players ever want anything resembling widespread acceptance, they are going to have to accept the fact that it is not a sport.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (3, Informative)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#37192720)

And if you look at "athletic" it says "of or relating to athletes or athletics".
And if you look at "athletics" it says "exercises, sports, or games engaged in by athletes".

It's circular, so it can mean anything you want it to mean.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192724)

We live in America. Majority rules. If ten people want to watch the Sox play, and 20 want to watch Starcraft, the bar owner is going to change the TV.

Not a smart bar owner. A smart bar owner will realize that the guy who just wants to watch the game with a nice beer will continue to come back. The assholes who think video games are spectator sports will be back in at best a year and far more likely never.

So the smart bar owner would kick the video game idiots out in favor of the customers who actually support the bar year round. The funny thing is that you obviously realize this:

And if you start shit about it, they will happily tell you to leave. Money talks. Mouthy assholes who think the world should cater to them and their every whim walk.

You're right, money talks. The regular patrons get the say because they spend more money over all. (And don't dare quote that fucking "double a normal take" quote at me, that's one bar for one night versus a continuous income over the entire year.)

Assholes who mistake video games for sports should be shown the door to make room for the regular patrons who'll keep on coming back.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

TarMil (1623915) | about 3 years ago | (#37192304)

If I had mod points, I would -1 you. Not because I think StarCraft is worthy of being watched in a bar (I do think so, but it is out of the question), but because you are shamelessly placing yourself in an undeserved victim position, and that is just pitiful.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

cashman73 (855518) | about 3 years ago | (#37192350)

The downfall of America continues, right in your own sports bar. And you thought it was bad enough when you walk into the bar in April or May and end up watching women's college softball, the Little League World Series now, or "World Championship Poker" at other random times during the year,. . . I guess they've got to fill the airtime somehow,. . .

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37192566)

Considering starcraft is far less boring than baseball I don't understand your point. Of course I find football barely watchable, too much stopping. Hockey is a decent game to watch at the bar though.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 3 years ago | (#37192742)

I can't tolerate football at all on TV, and I can barely tolerate it in person, for the same reason as you - too much time spent watching the clock tick with nothing happening.
I somewhat enjoy hockey on TV, but I LOVE it in person, especially in a highly energetic rink like Lynah Rink at Cornell. Sometimes you can burn 8 minutes of a period without a single stoppage of play. (Which actually sucks if the rink doesn't let you take your seats during play and you get to the game 2 minutes late.)
I'd find entertainment from a Starcraft match or a good FPS match even though I never enjoyed playing SC myself.
Baseball - it's OK in person, but mindnumbingly boring on TV. The only time I've tolerated it on TV was when I was in Japan and it was the only thing I could understand on TV.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (2)

IDK (1033430) | about 3 years ago | (#37192354)

I guarantee that if I'm at the bar watching a White Sox game, and somebody turns it off in favor of some video game, there's going to be hell to pay.

If the video game supporters outnumber the 'real sport' supporters, I would think not... Instead of a game of who can be the smartest*, you prefer a sport where the luckiest win first and the best win second. * Where smartest here means the one who can outsmart the opponent, is better at strategy and can think faster.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (2)

grimmjeeper (2301232) | about 3 years ago | (#37192372)

The thing is though, you can arrange these ahead of time to be played when there are no good games on. Baseball tends to have a game on almost any time every single day during the season but when you reach the fall, winter and spring sports you're talking about several days when there just isn't any games on. Sure, Americans play football all weekend (college on Saturday, professional on Sunday), and then there's the Monday night game, along with maybe a few more. But even with other sports, there are days when there's nothing on TV. May as well have something else competitive on where you can lure in the patrons.

And yes, video games are not sports in the traditional sense. But they are competitive and some do require the physical ability to control the game. Reaction time, eye hand coordination, etc. are all important in FPS games. Some of the mental challenges, like maintaining situational awareness to make tactical decisions, aren't as different from sports as you may think.

I wouldn't suggest that they are "true" sports. But they are competitions that may be interesting for someone to watch. And as such, not completely out of the realm of what would appeal to sports bar patrons.

Just like poker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192518)

Some major sports networks started showing professional poker many years ago. If that is a sport, then so are computer games.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192520)

If its the Florida marlins , their fans may be okay with it ;-)

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about 3 years ago | (#37192706)

Yes, I'm sure the bartender will respond exactly as you imagine upon your firm demand in a slightly raised but polite voice.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1)

N1AK (864906) | about 3 years ago | (#37192722)

Why would we want to downmod you, your post's a great example of just how pathetic some people can be when it comes to a ball being hit/thrown/bounced around.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (1, Informative)

moderatorrater (1095745) | about 3 years ago | (#37192802)

Agreed. StarCraft is a sport the same way that FarmVille is a video game. It might fit technical definitions, but it's not the same thing.

Re:Still not a sport, try as you may.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192806)

Actually replacing White Sox with your favorite team doesn't work....unless of course it's a Philly or Detroit team. Not all sports fans are idiot thugs but some cities/teams do have their fair share of folks like you.

Go back to Korea! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192158)

You fucking zergs!

Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (-1, Flamebait)

LandoCalrizzian (887264) | about 3 years ago | (#37192190)

It really helps the stereotype when E-Sports, not women, attracts more nerds to the bars.

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192238)

Women shouldn't be the main attraction to bars anyways

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192492)

Shut up and go back to your Starcraft game.

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (1)

TarMil (1623915) | about 3 years ago | (#37192322)

There are more people during StarCraft matches than in normal time. Just as there are more people during football matches than in normal time. How would that imply that StarCraft fans go to the bar less often than football fans?

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (1)

LandoCalrizzian (887264) | about 3 years ago | (#37192548)

There are more people during StarCraft matches than in normal time. Just as there are more people during football matches than in normal time. How would that imply that StarCraft fans go to the bar less often than football fans?

From TFA:

But for sports-bar owners, "Starcraft" viewers represent a key new source of revenue from a demographic—self-described geeks—they hadn't attracted before.

My friends and I always talk Starcraft while at a bar (at the expense of our lady-friend's attention). Now we can do it under the banner of supporting local business.

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (3, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#37192650)

My friends and I talk about starcraft WITH our lady friends. Why would someone be with a lady friend that can't talk to about their hobbies?

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (1)

LandoCalrizzian (887264) | about 3 years ago | (#37192752)

My friends and I talk about starcraft WITH our lady friends. Why would someone be with a lady friend that can't talk to about their hobbies?

A girlfriend is more motivated to do things that a wife won't. I chose to fight for the status quo in "other areas of interest".

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (0, Troll)

localman57 (1340533) | about 3 years ago | (#37192732)

represent a key new source of revenue from a demographic—self-described geeks—they hadn't attracted before.

Geek 1: Wow. That was a great match. Should we get out of there?

Geek 2: yeah. My treat. I'll pick up the food. You tip the waitress.

Geek 1: Cool. Let's see, Current exchange rates are about 25:1, and we bought 12 dollars in apetizers, times my customary 8%... That makes .0384 BitCoins for her.

Geek 2: I don't think they take those here.

Geek1: Fuck 'em then. No tip for you, luddite! Let's roll.

Re:Nerds can socialize...IRL??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192630)

Oh yes because sports bars were just overflowing with women as it was. GTFO.

Sad to say (3, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | about 3 years ago | (#37192196)

but said demographic can also be very stingy. I suspect a large proportion of them will be teetotal, and many of those who aren't will buy a single drink and nurse it through the evening. So I'd be interested to hear whether the bars actually make enough money for this to be worthwhile.

Re:Sad to say (1)

dorkinson (1615103) | about 3 years ago | (#37192224)

They've started selling bags of doritos

Re:Sad to say (1)

LandoCalrizzian (887264) | about 3 years ago | (#37192226)

I bet the bars have record sales of Mountain Dew and Jolt that coincide with major SC2 tournaments.

Re:Sad to say (1)

hodet (620484) | about 3 years ago | (#37192316)

will also be one massive nerdy sausage party.

Re:Sad to say (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192422)

will also be one massive nerdy sausage party.

So where's the difference to football, basket ball or any other sport watching-party?

Re:Sad to say (2)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 3 years ago | (#37192324)

Man, if only you bothered to read the article, you'd have seen this quote:

"It was unbelievable," said Jim Biddle, a manager of Bistro 153 in Beaverton, Ore., which hosted its first Barcraft in July. The 50 gamers in attendance "doubled what I'd normally take in on a normal Sunday night."

So even if they aren't buying drinks, they're buying enough stuff to double the bar's normal take.

Besides, if you've ever hung around gamers, beer (or really any alcoholic beverage) is a large part of the modern adult video gaming experience.

Re:Sad to say (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 3 years ago | (#37192782)

Yup. Kid gamers aren't people you'd want as bar patrons - they'd get in the way and wouldn't bring in much money.

But I agree with you - adult gamers WILL consume beer, and I think they tend to also gravitate towards higher-end beers that are probably more profitable for the bar.

Re:Sad to say (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#37192326)

FTFA:

"[the gamers] doubled what I'd normally take in on a normal Sunday night."

I'm not sure why you'd think video gamers are necessarily teetotal. Many are college student. Sure, they don't generally go to frat parties and drink Bud Light, but plenty of gamers I know drink readily. And the teetotalers aren't likely to show up at a bar, in any case, so I think it could be very profitable. Your mindset is likely why events like this haven't happened in the past.

Re:Sad to say (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 3 years ago | (#37192334)

As part of said demographic I bet you are wrong as hell. I drink like a fish, so do most of my geek friends. We also all have wives/girlfriends though.

Re:Sad to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192484)

We also all have wives/girlfriends though.

That explains the heavy drinking :D

Re:Sad to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192348)

I'm a self confessed geek and I've yet to meet anyone I couldn't drink under the table. In fact, on our last day of college it was a challenge amongst the rest of the class to try and get me drunk, I managed to drink everything they sent my way, even crazy mixes without getting drunk. I've never really felt the effects of being "wasted", even if I binge all night (which I can do because I've never felt the effects of the dreaded hangover, either). Having said that, I'm probably still the stereotypical geek, not because I'm stingy or can't take my drink, but simply because it's no fun downing large volumes of liquid if you're not feeling the effects.

Re:Sad to say (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37192382)

You just aren't selling it right:

It isn't a shot, it's a potion of +1STR, +1CON(Side effects may include; but are not limited to, -1DEX, +1d6 illusory CHA, -1d6WIS).

Re:Sad to say (1)

jovius (974690) | about 3 years ago | (#37192672)

There actually exists a sideparty of the Assembly Demo/Lan/Festival event in Helsinki that's called Boozembly. The very first Assembly events back in 90s were total drinkfests. Maybe that's something Finnish or Nordic but what I've gathered nerds generally are more wasted (and not only on alcohol) than regular people.

Re:Sad to say (1)

brkello (642429) | about 3 years ago | (#37192746)

I don't know what world you live in. People go to bars and they drink and eat. If they are going to nurse a drink, might as well stay at home since they are a bunch of introverts. People who watch Starcraft are like anyone else, they are going to go out with their friends and drink. I've actually gone to MLGs...so I know you are clueless on what this demographic is like.

Still no channel for it on TV (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 3 years ago | (#37192220)

Over 1,000 channels on my cable box, several hundred of them dedicated to sports. And not *one* dedicated to videogame competitions. So apparently a pretty niche market (though personally, I would love to be able to spectate Halo tournaments, Arena battles in MMO's, etc.). For that matter, almost no videogames have any kind of "spectator" mode for players who just want to watch (and not participate).

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 3 years ago | (#37192280)

I remember several years ago, USA would show Halo tournaments at like 9am on Sat. I remember I would watch them sometimes back in college on Saturdays after pregame meal but before we had to report to the field house for a home football game.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192338)

Instead of watching video games on TV, why don't you get off of your fat ass and go and play video games for yourself!

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 3 years ago | (#37192390)

I do, dipshit. But I would still like to be able to watch the best in the high level tournaments. You know, kind of like how *you* have a 2-inch dick but still like to watch porn videos with guys who are well-endowed?

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192572)

Whoosh; and a hostile, bitchy one at that.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192622)

Is this Kevin Smith or a 10 year old?

How'd you know where I was?!?! (1)

intellitech (1912116) | about 3 years ago | (#37192344)

"Prefire! Prefire! Hacker!"

"Dude, you're on TV. I'm watching your perspective right now on Channel 342"

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

cashman73 (855518) | about 3 years ago | (#37192396)

I thought they tried this with G4? But then they bought out TechTV, merged the two, and both died a long, slow, horrible death. Oh well, at least there's always good science fiction on the Sci-Fi Channel! Oh, wait!

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | about 3 years ago | (#37192616)

I thought they tried this with G4? But then they bought out TechTV, merged the two, and both died a long, slow, horrible death. Oh well, at least there's always good science fiction on the Sci-Fi Channel! Oh, wait!

Warehouse 13 and Eureka would beg to differ

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

cashman73 (855518) | about 3 years ago | (#37192774)

Er, you do know that Eureka was just cancelled [hollywoodreporter.com] , right? I bet Warehouse 13 will be canceled in a year. Need to make more room in the schedule for wresting.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about 3 years ago | (#37192800)

Warehouse 13 is not Science Fiction, it isn't even Science Fantasy. It's just Fantasy.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192402)

Starcraft 2 has plenty of streams on 24/7. There's a few minor tournaments every day, major tournaments every other weekend, Korean leagues at night. There's no need for a cable channel when the amount of concurrent content is so staggeringly high.

As of right now, check the sidebar on Team Liquid: about 50 streams live at the moment, 8 of which are "featured," meaning well-known high-level players or casters.
Go4SC2 #128 is on at the moment (1 French, 2 German, 4 English streams), in the next 9 hours, there are 5 other tournaments and shows coming up.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192584)

Sorry, Russian, not French. my flag recognition is a bit off.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 3 years ago | (#37192404)

I've seen a few Warcraft and Starcraft competitions on TV while visiting Shanghai a few years back. It's the kind of spectating sport you would see among the likes of poker, pingpong, and shuffleboard on ESPN2 here in the US. Unless your watching with others in the same room, it can be rather boring. I suppose I feel that way because multi-player gaming is nothing more than social interacting. When you watch others play games while spectating alone, I get a feeling of being left out. Perhaps that's why broadcasted video gaming events aren't all that popular even if they have niche markets.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | about 3 years ago | (#37192648)

Well, I recently got into StarCraft II, and I actually enjoy seeing how incredibly well pros play the game and how all over the place the action is, compared to my typical games on the ladder.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192448)

Starcraft 2, League of Legends (not available in public client atm, but it's comming in the next patch) Counter strike, are just a few of the games that I can think of on the top of my head. I'm fairly sure even the old Unreal Tournament (released in 99) has it.

And those examples aren't exactly unknown games either.

Seeing LoL livestream hit 200+k viewers on dreamhack should indicate there is definitely a market for this, and imho it'll only be growing.

Re:Still no channel for it on TV (2)

Yamioni (2424602) | about 3 years ago | (#37192488)

I have always thought that World of Warcraft could do well with a spectator mode. Heroics, Raids, Battlegrounds, Arenas; all great places to sit and watch other players for entertainment, or even to learn how to play better. Being able to watch the top raiding guilds in the world plow through Firelands or watch some of the top arena teams compete would be a great way for anyone to learn new strategies and up their game. Or you could just get drunk and watch crappy players wipe/lose over and over; bonus points if you get to listen to vent too. I'd probably end up watching more than playing though, especially if I could hear their lamentations everytime RNG caused a wipe.

Drinking and driving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192228)

Look on the bright side. They won't need DDs. Their moms can all come and pick them up afterwards!

An untapped market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192290)

Bartenders: Gaming-themed cocktails will make you money hand over fist. Just think of the possibilities: the Screw Attack (probably tequila and a twist of lemon), the Barrel Roll (scotch, dude), the Fire Flower (the new Prairie Fire)...

Re:An untapped market (1)

Yamioni (2424602) | about 3 years ago | (#37192366)

The Grand Theft Auto: 18 shots of rum and costs $200. So they steal your money, then take your keys because you're too wasted to drive.

What about the bros (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | about 3 years ago | (#37192314)

Geeks dont like bros. Full stop.

Just what I need (2)

BitHive (578094) | about 3 years ago | (#37192362)

Another reason not to go to sports bars.

Better than American football (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192668)

There is nothing more disappointing than walking into a bar expecting a nice quiet evening with a quality selection of taps and good food, and then having your dreams instantly crapped on by 50 hot-headed, obnoxious, jersey-wearing, top-of-the-lungs-yelling American football fans. Give me anything but American football fans. It's not the game that I can't stand; it's the fans. I understand that bar sports attract loud people, but the American football fan is truly in a league of his own.

The starcraft fans may be loud, but there is no way in hell they are as obnoxious and inconsiderate as the typical American football fan. They will literally go out of their way to be rude.

Re:Better than American football (2, Informative)

brkello (642429) | about 3 years ago | (#37192768)

You are hilarious. Try going to England and watching traditional football. Americans are tame compared to most of the world when it comes to sports. But I doubt you get out much.

Re:Just what I need (1)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | about 3 years ago | (#37192728)

Another reason not to go to sports bars.

Well, I daresay it will even more so restrict the number of women attending the bar. As if having a sports bar isn't bad enough, making some part of it isolated to video games will make the problem (lack of female attendance) much worse. Imagine if a rear section were dedicated to...*gasp*...RPGs!

di3k (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192364)

conversation and they learn from our the ggodwill to avoid so as to

Starcraft II? (1)

Toonol (1057698) | about 3 years ago | (#37192470)

I had the impression that tournament play was still primarily Starcraft, not Starcraft II. Has the sequel really caught on that well?

Re:Starcraft II? (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | about 3 years ago | (#37192700)

From what I gather, there's a big SC2 pro scene, but Brood War is still where most of the money is.

Re:Starcraft II? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192778)

Everywhere but korea

Re:Starcraft II? (1)

brkello (642429) | about 3 years ago | (#37192790)

In Korea, SC:BW is still alive and well. But SC2 is gaining a lot of ground. There are large SC2 tournaments all over the world now. People streaming their ladder matches get thousands of viewers. Major tournaments for SC2 are surpassing 100k viewers. The sequel has caught on really well.

What bars? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37192496)

Not around here.

Dammit! (1)

itchythebear (2198688) | about 3 years ago | (#37192532)

Yet another reason for the bartenders and waitresses to turn hockey off in favor of something else :'(

At least this will be more entertaining than basketball, I hear starcraft players actually incorporate defense into their game plan.
*ducks*

The Ocho! (1)

Gunfighter (1944) | about 3 years ago | (#37192562)

When will it be on ESPN8?

And lose all their normal sports customers? (2)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about 3 years ago | (#37192620)

How long do you think people who come to the bar to watch football/baseball/hockey/hoops are going to put up with that before finding another bar? Maybe this works after 1am east/10pm west but I still think most bar goers would rather see sports center or a replay of a game. If this is really that popular then someone will open a gaming only bar.

Really? (1)

chinton (151403) | about 3 years ago | (#37192638)

People sitting around watching other people sitting around pretending to be active? I'll pass.

Re:Really? (1)

drb226 (1938360) | about 3 years ago | (#37192808)

You don't watch the people playing, you watch the people playing, aka their on-screen avatar or whatever.

You may not like this, but... (1)

slackbheep (1420367) | about 3 years ago | (#37192710)

Sports fans are nerds. The sooner everyone on both sides stops trying to pretend being obsessive about a game and the personalities associated with isn't nerdy the better.

this is all wrong (1)

Neotrantor (597070) | about 3 years ago | (#37192772)

I come to slashdot to get AWAY from r/starcraft.

Thanks Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37192788)

For making a post on Barcraft and not mentioning either http://www.reddit.com/r/barcraft (the place where it all started) or http://www.barcraft.tv/, >_>

It's not like that would have been super helpful or informative or anything. Anyway, as someone who actually attended a barcraft in Toronto I can tell you it's not a scene from Revenge of the Nerds, watching the games is actually pretty exciting, everyone gets pretty into it and there are females in attendance, and not just from guys dragging their girlfriends along for it. (though that's what I did)

And for anyone whose interested in checking out the SC2 scene, http://www.youtube.com/user/day9tv is a good place to start and http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft is my favourite caster. You don't need to be a player to enjoy watching the games (I'm not for example).

Hope to see some of you at a barcraft one day.

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