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Scientific Linux's Troy Dawson Leaves FermiLabs For Red Hat

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the long-way-around dept.

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First time accepted submitter EponymousCustard writes "On a day of big resignations, we also hear that Troy Dawson of the Scientific Linux project is joining Red Hat, and will no longer be working on Scientific Linux. It will be a big loss. thanks to Troy for all the great work!"

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Good riddance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212608)

Good riddance you fucking traitor.

Re:Good riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37213342)

Didn't know they accepted 13 year olds at Fermilab.

Fermilab. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212610)

Fermilab.

His homepage still says "17 years of Fermilab service and counting" :)

Re:Fermilab. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37213162)

Seconded. The full name of the national laboratory located in Batavia, Illinois and housing the Tevatron collider is the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, and the nickname is Fermilab. Not Fermi Lab, FermiLab, Fermi Labs, FermiLabs, or even just Fermi. Everybody say it with me. Fermilab. Fermilab. Fermilab.

Re:Fermilab. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37220424)

I think you need to get out a lot more. Maybe get a wife. Fag,

I think I speak for everyone when I say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212694)

Who?

Re:I think I speak for everyone when I say (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212756)

He's a guy who fondles his junk in front of a screen all day at the Fermi Lab watching German scat porn. Occasionally he uses his cum-crusted fingers to open up Emacs and actually write some code, but this is rare.

Re:I think I speak for everyone when I say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37213724)

Cum-crusted fingers you say? Not shit-crusted?

Well it could be worse, at least he's not Goatse.

With the LHC, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212886)

And Fermi shutting down, he HAD to go somewhere!

WTF? (2)

scheme (19778) | more than 2 years ago | (#37213242)

Fermilab is not shutting down. The tevatron is but Fermi is actively participating in the CMS detector at the LHC and has a few projects looking at neutrino physics and other things in the intensity frontier.

The graviton of corporate suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37212954)

We will all be working for Oracle eventually.

Good Luck Troy! (3)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 2 years ago | (#37213074)

As an ex-Fermilab employee myself who was lucky enough to work with Troy (and able to just email him when I needed a feature stuck into SSH in SL), congratulations! Best of luck!

It's FermiLab. Not 'labs' (1)

nan0 (620897) | more than 2 years ago | (#37213092)

how about spelling things correctly in the title at least ? it's Fermilab. not plural. while there is a lot of stuff there - it is one lab. fnal.gov

Re:It's FermiLab. Not 'labs' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37213216)

It's also not CamelCased. Fermilab, not FermiLab... And (you got this right) it does not take the definite article. "Fermilab", not "the Fermilab".

Re:It's FermiLab. Not 'labs' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37219106)

Everyone understands what was meant to be said. Give him a break. Pointing out the mistake was enough, you don't need to be rude.

Re:It's FermiLab. Not 'labs' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37213716)

Hah.. that's what they want you to believe, and you fell for it.

Right when SL increases in popularity... (4, Interesting)

loftyhauser (1149267) | more than 2 years ago | (#37213784)

So, just as SL is increasing in popularity due to the (perceived) problems with CentOS, Red Hat pulls the main SL developer away. Coincidence? Perhaps...

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37214342)

It's more than that.

Troy was also contributing personal time to Ascendos [ascendos.org] , a totally open project in light of problems with CentOS' closed development (open in the development project, so anyone at any time could fork the whole development and all the tools involved).
http://lists.ascendos.org/pipermail/ascendos-dev/2011-July/000000.html [ascendos.org]

Apparently he won't be able to continue contributing to Ascendos (or Scientific Linux, but that was a paid gig), but is going to finish up the 6.1 packages for Ascendos:
http://lists.ascendos.org/pipermail/ascendos-dev/2011-August/000151.html [ascendos.org]

While CentOS is nice, you get what you get, and they're not about to share all the secret sauce they have figured out which you'd need to fork your own CentOS-like build process.

I suspect if Ascendos takes off, it could easily replace CentOS and/or cause many more CentOS build-process forks.

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37214722)

While CentOS is nice, you get what you get, and they're not about to share all the secret sauce they have figured out which you'd need to fork your own CentOS-like build process.

I suspect if Ascendos takes off, it could easily replace CentOS and/or cause many more CentOS build-process forks.

Ah... CentOS as it is is useful to Redhat. Redhat makes RHEL hard to figure out how to build, and the CentOS team has so few resources that it took them a year to get a release out.

But, Oracle has more resources and got theirs out way ahead of CentOS. That doesn't help RHEL. Ascendos looks like it has the right principles, and without strict binary compatibility won't be as attractive to some subset of CentOS users. I just wonder at what point Ascendos starts to become /as/ interesting as RHEL.

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (2)

love2hateMS (588764) | more than 2 years ago | (#37214456)

Troy isn't the main SL developer, he is one of two main developers. SL's original developer is still there, and it's pretty likely Fermilab will find a potential replacement for Troy from their pool of Linux talent.

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (1)

sorak (246725) | more than 2 years ago | (#37217718)

Troy isn't the main SL developer, he is one of two main developers. SL's original developer is still there, and it's pretty likely Fermilab will find a potential replacement for Troy from their pool of Linux talent.

Right. Garfunkle's still there. They just lost Simon.

(Or is it the other way around?)

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37218416)

Troy isn't the main SL developer, he is one of two main developers. SL's original developer is still there, and it's pretty likely Fermilab will find a potential replacement for Troy from their pool of Linux talent.

This is correct. We already have someone lined-up to fill Troy's position.

Re:Right when SL increases in popularity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37233150)

This is a message of Connie Sieh, who originated Feimi Linux and Scientific Linux
http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1108&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&P=33214

Scientific Linux is eternal ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37233306)

http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1108&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&P=33214

Unfortunately anybody who has the intent on attacking this project
will always use an announcement like this to spread misinformed fears
that SL is also indeed dying.

This distro has been a great project and I hope the devs would
continue on their hard work on making this project a great one.

There can be only one (0)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 2 years ago | (#37213950)

It looks like it's the end of the Gravy Train for people wanting a Free RHEL....

Re:There can be only one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37217946)

I'm fairly sure that with Fermi and Cern using it so heavily, and Connie Sieh still on staff that SL isn't going anywhere.....

Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (1)

LatitudesAttitudes (1979100) | more than 2 years ago | (#37214128)

As a SL desktop user, I hope this doesn't negatively affect SL. But, I hope Troy and Red Hat do well together.

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37214764)

As a SL desktop user, I hope this doesn't negatively affect SL. But, I hope Troy and Red Hat do well together.

Well, Fermilab still has a large number of SL machines, and will continue to have, and support, a large number of SL machines. We will continue to need some kind of supported linux for scientific applications. Whilst in principle the lab and user community could migrate to something else instead of producing SL6, SL7 and so on, it seems unlikely that an alternative would involve less work.

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37215370)

as someone who used an SL box to control a film scanner, what's the difference between SL and any other distro?

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37215456)

Any other distro? I get to pick?

Well, the difference between Arch and SL is that SL sucks. (e.g. System V overcomplexity all up in your init scripts, patches things too much, obsolete package versions, package manager that isn't the one I like.) All the sort of suckage that makes a typical enterprise OS unsuitable for my home PC.

Or is that not what you meant?

(And if anyone infers I don't understand the converse unsuitability of Arch for a typical enterprise deployment, thanks for projecting, we now know how stupid you are.)

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (1)

timbo234 (833667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37216794)

SL is based on, and closely tracks, Redhat's Enterprise Linux product, which has been designed to offer stability and very long support periods (at least 7 years after release I think). That's what makes it suitable for servers, whereas most other* Linux distro's have shorter release and support cycles (12-18 months) and tend to use more recent versions of software, which makes them arguably more unstable.

* Note there are other 'enterprise ready' long-support cycle distros such as Debian Stable, or Suse Linux Enterprise.

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37218168)

And to expand a little, the difference between the RHEL clones are roughly:

* CentOS: Changes as few and as little as possible on the SRPMs, instead they tweak the "buildroot" to match RedHat as closely as possible. They don't release anything until it passes their own automatic checks which makes sure every binary links with the same libraries as RHEL does. Anything beyond RHEL is put into the CentOS Plus repository.

* Scientific Linux: A little more willing to edit SRPMs instead of doing reverse engineering on the RHEL buildroot if that's easier. Several packages will be linked with older and/or newer shared libraries than RHEL (and CentOS) uses (which could introduce new issues), several examples was provided on the CentOS list when people complained about CentOS 6 delays and asked why they didn't just look at SL (they DO cooperate both this way and by discussing issues). Releases betas during testing and with less testing sometimes tracks RHEL more closely. Upgrades, changes and/or replaces some packages in the main distribution if they feel it's warranted.

* Oracle Linux: Well... ORACLE! Does even more changes than the other two above combined, with little visibility into exactly what happens. "Value Added Features" are added into the core distribution (similar to SL), some visibly Oracle branded while others may not be.

OL is the reason for RHEL stopping providing individual patches to their kernels, it's now one big patch which makes some of Oracles kernel antics much harder (CentOS "standard" kernel builds were unaffected, SL I'm not sure about but probably not that affected either. The CentOS Plus kernel probably did get slightly harder to make though, but the target was clearly Oracle's rebuild). Mostly RHEL is fine with CentOS/SL, their much less happy with Oracle Linux.

Re:Sad day for SL, happy day for Red Hat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37221764)

SL allows you to download updates at any time and archive them yourself.

This is important to me as it gives the ability to reinstall a system and update it to a known state.

Troy was to be (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37214296)

I don't know if this had anything to do with it, but Troy was contributing time to Ascendos [ascendos.org] , a totally open project in light of problems with CentOS' closed development (open in the development project, so anyone at any time could fork the whole development and all the tools involved).
http://lists.ascendos.org/pipermail/ascendos-dev/2011-July/000000.html [ascendos.org]

Apparently he won't be able to continue contributing to Ascendos (or Scientific Linux, but that was a paid gig):
http://lists.ascendos.org/pipermail/ascendos-dev/2011-August/000151.html [ascendos.org]

While CentOS is nice, you get what you get, and they're not able to shart all the secret sauce they have figured out which you'd need to fork your own CentOS-like build process.

I suspect if Ascendos takes off, it could easily replace CentOS and/or cause many more CentOS build-process forks.

Congratulations Troy! (2)

stox (131684) | more than 2 years ago | (#37214488)

I remember when Troy stated work at Fermilab. It doesn't seem like that long ago.

It is gratifying to see how successful SL has become over the years. I know Connie and Troy have poured their guts into it.

Best of wishes in the adventure ahead. I hope you don't end up taking Connie with you.

Coincidence that he is leaving the same day as Commander Taco and Steve Jobs? I think not!

PUIAS Linux Peeps... (1)

jcannonb (1665423) | more than 2 years ago | (#37214648)

If you are down that SL Linux has hit this roadblock, check out PUIAS... http://puias.math.ias.edu/ [ias.edu] I found it not too long ago, has Princeton University backing, and is extremely mature... I switched the moment I found it. SL and CentOS are not the only RH clones in the world.

Here's his message to the mailing list (3, Informative)

EponymousCustard (1442693) | more than 2 years ago | (#37216576)

http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1108&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&P=30820 [fnal.gov]

Hi,
I have loved all the years that I have been a developer and architect for Scientific Linux, but it is time for me to move on. I have accepted a job offer from Red Hat to work on their new openshift project. ( https://www.redhat.com/openshift/ [redhat.com] )
My last day working for Fermilab, and on the Scientific Linux project will be September 2, 2011.

Thank you to everyone who has encouraged, thanked, and helped me over the past 8 years that I have worked on Scientific Linux. I have said it before, and I'll say it now, The Scientific Linux community is one of the best communities there is.

Troy

Best of Luck from the "New Guy"! (1)

humphrm (18130) | more than 2 years ago | (#37220332)

Troy is a great guy and will be missed. I've only been here ~3 months and I've already asked him innumerable questions about SLF.

Best of luck from MHD, Troy!

Developer history for Scientific Linux (by Connie) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37233118)

Scientific Linux is eternal. The URL below is a messages entitled "Developer history for Scientific Linux" by Connie Sieh (FNAL).
http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1108&L=scientific-linux-users&T=0&P=33214

Unfortunately anybody who has the intent on attacking this project
will always use an announcement like this to spread misinformed fears
that SL is also indeed dying.

This distribution has been a great project and we hope the developers would
continue on their hard work on making this project a great one.

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