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Acer CEO Declares a Tablets Bubble

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the that-seems-hard-to-believe dept.

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retroworks writes "According to a story in Digitimes, Acer chairman JT Wang is predicting the end of 'tablet fever.' 'Commenting on tablet PC's impact on the notebook industry, [Acer chairman JT Wang] pointed out that tablet PC fever is already starting to cool down and consumers are also being attracted by notebooks again with Intel's Ultrabooks and Microsoft's Windows 8 the major attractions.' Back to the old model then... PC and laptop sales, driven by Windows upgrades?"

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Fever? (1, Insightful)

Mensa Babe (675349) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213838)

That tablet PC fever is already starting to cool down because, let's face it, the tablet PC is actually a pretty dumb idea. How can we improve the friendliness of computers? I know! Let's take away the keyboard! What next? Take away the screen? That would look cool! I mean, seriously, once you have impressed all of your friends with your new trendy gadget, you have to go back to writing emails, articles, software, books, and good luck with that if you don't even have a keyboard. I have said it many times and let me say it once more: There is no "tablet fever". There never was. There is only "apple fever" and it is not going to cool down any time soon. Hardware vendors were trying to sell tablet PCs literally for decades but there never was any demand, partly because the whole idea is just a notebook without a keyboard. It looks cool but that's it. Using a phone without physical keyboard is hard enough, why anyone would want a computer that is equally hard to use? The only reason people are buying tablet PCs today is either because it's apple or it's like apple so having one somehow makes you cool and that is much more impotant than being productive. Sad but true.

Re:Fever? (5, Insightful)

adversus (1451933) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213876)

Just because you haven't found a personal need/use for a tablet, doesn't mean the millions who've bought them (iPads and the dozen or so Xooms and Galaxy's out there) haven't. The CEO of Acer sounds like he's trying to make noise because Acer isn't in the competitive tablet business. In fact, nobody is in the competitive tablet business at this point, except Apple. And all signs point to it not slowing down anytime soon.

Re:Fever? (4, Informative)

JDevers (83155) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214196)

My Xoom is nearly indispensable now that I have come to rely on it. I work in the medical industry and to be able to carry 90% of the functionality of a laptop with better battery life and a smaller form factor is just incredibly useful.

Re:Fever? (2)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214216)

Count me as one of the people who has an Android 3.1 tablet and who occasionally uses it for Web browsing, but not much more. The Android browser renders a lot of pages in funky ways, the keyboard is pretty slow and so is the processing a lot of times, especially on JavaScript-heavy pages like Slashdot or Facebook. The keyboard layout is annoying, too, and I have to toggle in and out of various modes to type numbers, basic punctuation symbols, etc. So while it's basically OK for reading, it's annoying if I'm on a site where I actually want to participate.

Other than that, what's it good for? Streaming movies? You really want to watch movies on that? Plus, Netflix isn't supported (officially anyway). I can read The Economist on my phone, but oops! No app for that for Honeycomb tablets. Really, I encounter more things that I'm apparently not going to be doing on my tablet that actual uses for it. So it sits around, most of the time.

Other people might get more use out of theirs, but I've never seen anybody with one to ask. I see a fair amount of iPads.

Re:Fever? (2, Informative)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214268)

I might be biased a bit, but everything you've pointed out that doesn't work on your tablet works fine on my iPad. Even movie streaming, which I can do with it propped up on the treadmill's magazine stand at the gym (try to get a netbook to do that). If you're comfortable buying an Apple product, you might try switching and see if it makes you happier.

Disclaimer: I'm an Apple shareholder and I want you to fall in love with Apple products so I can retire earlier.

Re:Fever? (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214332)

Observe the typo-infused signature. Observe the ridiculous profile. Observe that the user hasn't posted since 2008. Observe that you have been trolled furiously.

Re:Fever? (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214350)

Just because you haven't found a personal need/use for a tablet, doesn't mean the millions who've bought them (iPads and the dozen or so Xooms and Galaxy's out there) haven't. The CEO of Acer sounds like he's trying to make noise because Acer isn't in the competitive tablet business. In fact, nobody is in the competitive tablet business at this point, except Apple. And all signs point to it not slowing down anytime soon.

^---- This. Let me know when Apple declares tablet bubble.

Re:Fever? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213880)

The misunderstanding here is that people have to choose one or the other. I prefer a desktop for programming, a laptop for browsing leisurely about the apartment, and a tablet for reading in bed. Once the price bubble on tablets bursts, I am sure more people will buy them as a handy tertiary device, between a phone and a laptop.

Re:Fever? (2)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214126)

I just want one in the kitchen for recipes.

Re:Fever? (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214274)

I prefer a desktop for programming, a laptop for browsing leisurely about the apartment, and a tablet for reading in bed.
A tablet is any good only for mindlessly consuming. The moment you want to write more than a few words or do more than a couple clicks, it fails horribly.

I'm in love with N900, albeit I did need to customize it a lot as Nokia's software is really not up to scratch. With a general purpose OS, it removed any need I had for laptops: at home and at work, I have desktops with comfortable keyboards and big monitors. Anywhere on the go, I have a portable device -- one that, unlike laptops and big tablets, fits into a pocket, and unlike tablets it has a decent input dev.

I don't think putting anything in the niche between makes sense. You can at most have something portable, something luggable and something for heavy-duty work. An additional device that is "easily luggable" seems totally superfluous to me.

Re:Fever? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214360)

I have 3 PCs at home, and two laptops (one is near-perpetually docked in it's bay) at work. I have two smartphones (work phone, and personal phone).

My point is that I'm not hurting for electronic device choices.

My rooted nook color is one of my constant companions nonetheless. It is the perfect size to just carry around to the shitter, out shopping with the wife, etc. I've got an OG droid, so reading eboks/web surfing/playing games on it is functional, but not exactly ideal. The notebooks on the other hand are WAY too bulky to fiddle with in a store while the wife is trying on shoes or I'm waiting for dinner to show up etc, and the nook is ideal for that. It's small and thin enough to be not be difficult to

My wife's iPad 2 has a nicer screen and more cpu power... both of which I envy, but it's a little big. especially with her cover on it. The rooted NC has it's own nitch. The 7" screen vs 10" screen doesn't seem like a huge difference but it is. The slightly smaller size is handy.

Also it overclocks like a celeron 300a. 50% OC feels so old school awesome.

Re:Fever? (1)

powerspike (729889) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213886)

What you say is true, if you view the tablets as a pc without a keyword and mouse. However if you view the items as an entertainment device, you'll see there is a very active market for them with consumers. This is where the so called bubble is. However i think the issue is more that the devices are nearing saturation point and this will have a serious impact on the sales of future devices.

Re:Fever? (1)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214150)

I want another one for a large multimedia remote and household controller.

Re:Fever? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213894)

There is only "apple fever" and it is not going to cool down any time soon.

The only thing that will cool that down is tightening credit, which in the US is not likely to happen without destroying the US dollar first. Only then will mommy and daddy stop buying iPads and iPhones for their spoiled children. Or will spoiled grown ups who were once spoiled children stop overindulging on these little, shiny but expensive toys.

Re:Fever? (1)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214140)

I want another for my kids educational software.

Re:Fever? (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214174)

Says the bitter, bitter man who has never touched a iPad....

Stop being a grumpy old turd and go TRY ONE for a while. Honestly, I am 30X more productive than the guys at work that dont have one. I carry autocad files with me to review and show. I annotate pdf files etc...

It's a tool, just because you cant figure out how to use a wrench does not make wrenches stupid.

Re:Fever? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213904)

It's hilarious how many idiots like you just don't get it.

A tablet is not a competitor to a laptop/desktop. Just like my electric toothbrush isn't.

I use a tablet for reading books/PDFs/newspapers, playing games and as a souped up todo list.
I use a computer for "real work".

Re:Fever? (1)

Derek Pomery (2028) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214018)

And browsing Reddit.
And watching movies.

Re:Fever? (1)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214160)

I want another for each of the kids in the car and during travel so they can watch movies or listen to their music.

Re:Fever? (2)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214284)

They're a hell of a lot cheaper than in-car entertainment systems, that's for sure. Plus you can bring them into the restaurant and keep the kids quiet inside, too.

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214240)

A tablet is not a competitor to a laptop/desktop

You're right. A tablet is better than a desktop.

I have everything - tablets , pdas, whatever ... The only time I use a desktop is for software development. That's all. News, entertainment, research, or whatever - some sort of handheld device.

Desktops are too bulky - they take up too much space.

.Upgrades? Pffft. I run'em into the ground. Desktops are for workers working on code or spreadsheets.

I just use a desktop when I need brute force - like compiling code. Everything else doesn't require such gauche equipment.

Re:Fever? (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213910)

The only reason people are buying tablet PCs today is either because it's apple or it's like apple so having one somehow makes you cool and that is much more impotant than being productive. Sad but true.

Naturally, since I read Slashdot regularly, I see this opinion expressed a lot. I always have to wonder, do you honestly believe that? Are you actually incapable of understanding that your opinions aren't objectively superior?

Re:Fever? (1)

fatalwall (873645) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213980)

I know a CEO like this. He had to have a Macbook Pro and a Macbook Air and now he wants all the sales people to have iPad's because nothing else is acceptable except the device with the most elit image even if it is significantly harder to manage and for the users to operate for there tasks.

Re:Fever? (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214162)

I know a CEO like this. He had to have a Macbook Pro and a Macbook Air and now he wants all the sales people to have iPad's because nothing else is acceptable except the device with the most elit image even if it is significantly harder to manage and for the users to operate for there tasks.

Sure, and we all have stories about Stupid CEO tricks. In fact, I believe there is a long running comic with that as it's primary gag line. But that isn't the only reason that iPads are popular. They are popular primarily because THEY ARE NOT LIKE THE COMPUTER YOU FIRST PROGRAMMED IN 6TH GRADE BY CANDLELIGHT WHILE HIKING BAREFOOT UPHILL IN THE DARK. I'm constantly amazed at the angst this device has created amongst the Slashdoterati. You all sound very threatened about a 1 pound device that, according to the hive mind here, can't process it's way out of a recycled paper bag.

Calm down, switch to decaf or something. Take a walk. It's something different, an 'uncomputer', an appliance. It doesn't fortell the end of the universe, it isn't George Orwell's worst nightmare.

Jesus, you'd think there was an earthquake or something recently.

Re:Fever? (4, Interesting)

rk (6314) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214358)

I'm a grizzled old neck-bearded software and science guy who is so old he actually used punch cards in a production environment (until we switched to 8-inch floppies!) and I think the iPad is a peach of a device.

There are only two reasons I don't have one:

1. I think they're cool as hell, but I don't think they're 500 dollars cool. And for the model I'd really want (with 3G+Wifi), I REALLY don't think they're 630 dollars cool.

2. I was part of the Apple faithful for years, but got screwed over royally on a Pismo laptop that I paid $2,200 for back in 2000 that Apple refused to fix/replace. Apart from a couple 2nd gen iPod Nanos I bought my wife and son 5 years ago, I've been very leery of purchasing from them again. Maybe that's unfair, but hell, it's my money.

Re:Fever? (3, Interesting)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213948)

I don't think it has anything to do with that, plenty of people have found uses for tablets. I think it has more to do with the fact that they're reaching market saturation at their current price points. They're still just a little too expensive for the mainstream to really start getting into them. Wait until they're priced like the HP fire sale tablet and you will see them exploding into use, and as more people have them there will be more development, functionality added in....just like with any platform, whether hardware or software.

Once it gets to the point where people are throwing old tablets in drawers like they do with their old MP3 players and cell phones, I'll say yeah, the fever has passed.

Re:Fever? (2)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213960)

To end a fever aren't you supposed to *take* two tablets?

Re:Fever? (2)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214172)

An Apple a day keeps the doctor away!

Re:Fever? (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213978)

Sad but true.

Citation needed.

No, really - you make statements as if they are fact yet the facts that are publicly available contradict you. Do you have facts that support your claim (beyond personal opinion)? I'm guessing no.

Re:Fever? (4, Funny)

todrules (882424) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214312)

Sad but true.

Citation needed.

Metallica - The Black Album

Re:Fever? (5, Interesting)

berj (754323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214004)

Always the same ridiculous assertions from people who don't understand how useful tablets are and can be. The idea that there's no reason to buy a tablet except because I want to be trendy is just absurd. I've completely replaced my laptop for all mobile computing with an iPad. I write emails, read books, do work, make money, travel and consume entertainment on it. My laptop has left my desk maybe twice in the last year and a bit (since the iPad 1 was released). There's no Apple fever. There's a desire to get away from devices that aren't suited to the task at hand (which the laptop is for most of my mobile computing needs). If I want or need a keyboard I can keep a bluetooth keyboard around or get an eePad Transformer which is a rather nice device because it's the best of both worlds (though I still find Android to be a very confusing and clunky OS). For 9%% of my mobile computing needs I don't need an attached keyboard. In fact a keyboard is an active hindrance. Have you ever tried to read something in portrait mode on a laptop? Have you ever tried to scrub through a quicktime movie while holding a laptop with one hand on a busy film set? Yeah. No thanks. I'll take the tablet.

Nobody's been able to compete with Apple in this domain yet (though I'm certain in a few years they will manage it) so they're crying sour grapes and declaring the market dead. Uh huh. Riiiight.

Re:Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214138)

(though I still find Android to be a very confusing and clunky OS)

That says all I need to know. If you can't figure out the simple interface of Android, you should have an equally difficult time with iOS, since they are both devastatingly simplistic. You just prefer Apple products or are defending your iPad purchase.

Re:Fever? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214246)

"Devastatingly simplistic" does not rule out "confusing and clunky." I, too, think the iPad UI is much better designed than the Android UI.

Re:Fever? (0, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214190)

Been there. Done that. Not impressed.

It's still an oversized iPod.

Re:Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214314)

Been there. Done that. Not impressed.

It's still an oversized iPod.

Why reply with this? Did you add ANYTHING to this thread?
(You can say the same thing about my statement but whatever...)

Re:Fever? (5, Insightful)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214198)

Exactly, no scope for the imagination.
The medical field has needed this type of tech for eons and now it is here in a form that is quite functional.
It is fantastic for entertainment functions.
It is fantastic for educational functions.

Each day I hear of people using these devices in new ways... ways a computer simply can't do.

Re:Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214292)

I've completely replaced my laptop for all mobile computing with an iPad. I write emails, read books, do work, make money, travel and consume entertainment on it.

And other than reading books, you do it all less well on your iPad than on your laptop, but at least you get to feel cool while doing it, right? And while a tablet beats a laptop for book reading, it still can't compete with a Kindle. It seems like you'd have a much better life with a laptop and Kindle.

Re:Fever? (1)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214318)

What's neat is that you've found a great use for the device even without a lot of the things that make it really uniquely different from desktops and laptops. Personally, I think of tablets as an incredibly social computer. Look how many people easily pass around iPads, or will hold one and poke at it while another person is standing or sitting right there. And with the screen, there's no question of weird viewing angles, unlike many laptops, so it actually feels like a shared experience.

What I think is even more neat is how a single device can play multiplayer games. That's unheard of in the current PC/Laptop marketplace, where you can put a computer on a table and have 2-4 people playing the same game. Part of it is the ergonomics -- it's much easier to share a single "slate" compared to a folded laptop -- but it also has to do with the new OS. That's the real reason that the iPad and non-Apple Tablets are succeeding at all; they're not trying to be laptops. They're saying "I am a device you poke at, and that means I do different things. Therefore, I will have a different interface, different applications, and different outputs."

That's really neat! And it's what was needed all along to create a thriving tablet marketplace. Not just "Windows with touchscreen support," because, honestly, no one gave a shit about touchscreen support. That's why all previous Windows tablets failed.

If you have replaced all your mobile computing (1, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214324)

I've completely replaced my laptop for all mobile computing with an iPad

if you replaced your laptop for all mobile computing with an ipad, then it is apparent that you were not doing mobile computing at all.

'writing emails', 'reading books', 'consume entertainment' is not 'mobile computing'. not to mention the stupidly simple and ungaugeable concepts you utter like 'making money'. ALL of these can be done with a decently sized, hell, even small sized half-smartphone.

while trying to do otherwise, you have become a pretty good example of what kind of fad this tablet fad is - an apple fad. perfectly portrayed by an apple fan.

Re:Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214070)

Bah. Horses for courses.

I am definitely getting an iPad or similar for my next big holiday through europe next year.
Great for integrated search/navigation (nice big screen), communications, internet access via 3G or wifi.

Easy to bang off a few emails using the perfectly useable on-screen keyboard.

Much better than e.g. a weePC for the same purpose.

Of course it's going to be an Apple product. Nobody else seems to understand how absolutely vital a good and stable UI is.
Certainly not windows. Linux? Ha! lol.! (yes: "lol")

Re:Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214152)

Yet Apple continues to sell every single iPad they are capable of making. Maybe, just maybe, you're not representative of the vast majority.

It's something slashdotters never seem to understand: they are part of the 1%, not the 99%.

Re:Fever? (0)

pneuma_66 (1830) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214206)

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and are just ranting through your Apple hatred glasses. I have an iPad and I get real work done on it every day. For example just today, I gave a 50 page presentation using my iPad. And a few weeks ago, I was giving a presentation to about 100 people. and right before I went on, I was still editing my presentation, right on my iPad.
I am also able to get my work email and calendar, so, I have the ability to do most communication tasks I would do on my desktop. Plus, in a pinch, I can turn on VPN in to the work network, and run VNC, and do some tasks there.
Also, since the iPad is so small I take it everywhere, and I have the 3G model, so I can almost do all of my work from anywhere at anytime. Recently there was an issue with one of the applications I manage, and I wasn't home, and all I had to do was take out my iPad, connect, and I was able to fix the issue with just the iPad.

so (2)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214370)

I have an iPad and I get real work done on it every day. For example just today, I gave a 50 page presentation using my iPad. And a few weeks ago, I was giving a presentation to about 100 people. and right before I went on, I was still editing my presentation, right on my iPad.

you are giving presentations on an ipad. the very thing you could do on a projection. or a laptop.

and

I am also able to get my work email and calendar, so, I have the ability to do most communication tasks I would do on my desktop. Plus, in a pinch, I can turn on VPN in to the work network, and run VNC, and do some tasks there.

ooooh !! you ALSO write emails !! and see a calendar !! thats great !!! except that if this is what you call 'mobile computing', and the 'work' related to that, please next time spare us the bullshit. a decent screen size half-smartphone can do all of those things, with the exception of the obscure 'tasks' you speak of doing with vpn. i assume instant messenger talk or other shit.

so this is the idea of apple fanbois' 'mobile computing'. giving presentations, presentations, more presentations, reading emails, a calendar, and, some obscure and inexplicable 'tasks'.

am i generalizing ? yes. someone else precisely told similar things on how he was doing 'mobile computing' on his ipad, and how great ipad and apple was. it apparently is a general naivete among you apple fanbois to take giving presentations and reading emails as 'mobile computing'. you dont need the word 'compute' there. its just 'mobile'. and a phone is sufficient for those.

Re:Fever? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214234)

Tablets have its own attractive. Touchscreens, aware of how you move, or where are you, easy to hold and use. But being keyboardless is a big disadvantage. I still don't understand why the netvertibles didnt take off. Something that could be used as tablet or as notebook should have been the best of both worlds.

Re:Fever? (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214334)

I don't know, they have their uses, even without an effective data input mechanism. Certainly not as a replacement to a laptop though. It would take some kind of direct mind interface for input to make them really work, and at that point we probably can lose the screen too.

iPad fever? (4, Funny)

mveloso (325617) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213854)

Is he talking about iPad fever or lame tablet/netbook fever?

If the former, he can wait until Apple's next quarterly results. If the latter, well, he's probably right. Maybe he's talking from his own sales numbers?

Re:iPad fever? (4, Interesting)

wiedzmin (1269816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213920)

Another company that isn't cashing in on some technology is denouncing that technology? Mr. Wang should read Aesop's "The Fox and the Grapes" methinks.

Obligatory XKCD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213858)

Re:Obligatory XKCD (4, Funny)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213908)

ketchup!

(see, that has no relevance to the article either)

Pfft (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213864)

The tablets' one and only problem is price. And e-readers are still a big ripoff also.

Re:Pfft (3, Interesting)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214218)

Kindle is a ripoff?
I don't think so for what it does.
Ever buy about 10-12 books.... = the price of a kindle.
Ever carry 10-12 books= 100 times the weight of a kindle.

Re:Pfft (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214266)

And e-readers are still a big ripoff also.

Really? Just how much cheaper than $139, brand-new, do you expect any electronic device to be? Would $114 [amazon.com] be cheap enough?

Really? (2)

Bagels (676159) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213866)

The continued popularity of the iPad (and decent success enjoyed by Asus and Samsung with their respective Android tablets) would tend to put the lie to this claim. Acer's own entry into the tablet race was by all accounts a bit crap, so this sounds like some serious sour grapes to me. Also, I haven't heard from anybody in the real world who's excited about these 'ultrabooks' ; they sound like a sad marketing scheme from Intel, along the lines of their old 'Viiv' branding.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214330)

From what I read, the Acer has a problem with poor Wifi radio coverage. For an on-the-go device that you use at places like work, Starbucks and hotels, that's pretty much a death-knell.

Touch screens are a step back in HCI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213874)

Touch screens are a step back in Human Computer Interaction

Re:Touch screens are a step back in HCI (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214202)

Toe keyboards are the future!

partially right (1)

fatalwall (873645) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213900)

I think you will end up seeing more tablets with the power of a pc. I'm talking units like Asus' eee slate 121. We are moving some of our sales reps to these as they provide a full computer while also allowing for more sleek presentations. Im personally waiting on the second gen as it will have an i5 v2 in it verses the current which is i5 v1

Re:partially right (4, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214294)

The thing is convertaibles have been around for a decade.

it took apple to show the world that tablets had to have a different GUI from desktop computer. MSFT has been making tablet based OS's for a decade directly, however only a couple of dedicated touch applications where ever created for it, with Office being one of the big one.

when apple shipped the ipad it included a stripped down(and broken depending on your view) version of their office applications. straight out of the box. The email client gui was re written to take advantage of touch interfaces, unlike outlook which is still the same(with a shiny new ribbon)

tablets may become more powerful, but the interface requires them to have simplier UI's. Just like cars engines might get more powerful but you still control it with pedals and a wheel.

We are entering computation age where raw power isn't needed. directed computation power is. for those like you stuck in the past you will struggle with this change.

A new segment (5, Interesting)

Albanach (527650) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213926)

While manufacturers that have failed to grow a userbase that lets them compete with Apple may wish for tablets to be a bubble, I feel they're ignoring a new segment.

I have never purchased an apple device, bar an old 5G ipod in the past. When I saw Jobs present the iPad I could immediately see the utility. It doesn't compete with my laptop or my desktop. I use it in places my laptop doesn't work well. Say on the sofa, or in the kitchen. I can grab it and look something up while walking around. I can take it when traveling and use it to read news, watch video and still get emails or even remote desktop / ssh if needed.

When HP liquidated their touchpad stock I grabbed one of those too. The iPad's app store is certainly a huge draw, but $100 is easily worthwhile for the web browser, video player and email. The trouble for the manufacturers who aren't Apple is that while $100-$200 is easily justifiable for that device, at the $400-500 price point folk want an iPad, mostly because of the Apps.

The touchpad doesn't have a Netflix client. I can't fathom why HP didn't just pay Netflix to develop it, as it would easily have helped drive sales. I'm pretty sure they could have partnered with Amazon too for video and music services. At the moment, every non-apple brand of tablet is a compromise, yet there's no discount on price to reflect this. As a result, their userbase remains small and the apps remain undeveloped.

Unless someone really tries to compete with Apple, either by offering a better product at the same price point, or a similar product at a discount, tablet sales will continue and only one manufacturer will benefit.

Re:A new segment (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214036)

Netflix worked just fine through the browser on the TouchPad from what I've heard... Until the fire sale, when Netflix blocked it.

Re:A new segment (2)

sub67 (979309) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214238)

Netflix worked just fine through the browser on the TouchPad from what I've heard... Until the fire sale, when Netflix blocked it.

Hulu did this, not netflix. Netflix is silverlight based rather than flash which was never supported on the touchpad. Hulu worked natively in the webos browser and they pulled support for it. I guess their ads aren't enough and they won't let you use it unless they can monetize an app.

Re:A new segment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214258)

Netflix never worked, because the Netflix website requires Silverlight which no mobile browser supports.

What you're thinking of is Hulu, which did work although not that well.

Re:A new segment (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214278)

I must say, you are pretty spot-on with pretty much everything.

The touchpad doesn't have a Netflix client. I can't fathom why HP didn't just pay Netflix to develop it, as it would easily have helped drive sales. I'm pretty sure they could have partnered with Amazon too for video and music services. At the moment, every non-apple brand of tablet is a compromise, yet there's no discount on price to reflect this. As a result, their userbase remains small and the apps remain undeveloped.

Unless someone really tries to compete with Apple, either by offering a better product at the same price point, or a similar product at a discount, tablet sales will continue and only one manufacturer will benefit.

Just to continue your line of thought... perhaps Amazon is that competitor (I do think their current app-store is meh, and the Kindle isn't the answer, but they will learn). Also, Google's acquisition of Motorola may pretty much signal that Google is interested in the tablet space... for reals this time.

Lets compare (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213932)

One company just had the highest quarterly [apple.com] sales in their entire history.

The other company just lost a few million dollars [go.com] .

Which company do you think has a better clue about what consumers want?

Just like netbooks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213934)

Netbooks were a very high growth product until the next fad came around. I also expect the same pattern with tablets. The new tech is very novel, but I like my cellphone/laptop combination.

Time to Go (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213954)

Were I a significant shareholder of Acer, I would be calling for the replacement of JT Wang. His comments have consistently shown a disconnect from reality and that is not the sort of person one should want directing a corporation. Closing your eyes and pretending things are the way you want them to be rather than how they are isn't a sound business strategy.

I realize that he shouldn't be a cheerleader for the competition but he's gone beyond that and is well into the realm of ignoring facts that are clear to anyone paying even a cursory attention to the market.

Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213962)

Is vaporware, and no one is yet excited about it. Microsoft is, however, pissing off their developers.

Fever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37213964)

Fever? Bubble? No. People are just realizing that there's only one tablet on the market that isn't complete crap. All indicatiors point to Apple enjoying continued healthy sales for the foreseeable future. Frankly, Apple's embarrassingly complete dominance in the tablet arena is only hurting the reputations of those companies who continue to pump out garbage trying to make a quick buck.

I agree (1, Interesting)

MpVpRb (1423381) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213966)

I have always believed that tablets were a very small niche application.

They can not, and will not replace real computers.

Theoe apple fanboys really can distort perceptions when they get going.

Re:I agree (2)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214032)

How are you able to breathe with your head stuck in the sand like that?

Re:I agree (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214210)

Sand? it looks more like his ass.

Re:I agree (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214084)

I have always believed that tablets were a very small niche application.

They can not, and will not replace real computers.

Theoe apple fanboys really can distort perceptions when they get going.

I have always believed that PCs are a very small niche application. They can not, and will not, replace real servers.

However, personal computers do solve a problem that servers do not, and so there is a market for them. It is not the same market as the market for servers. If you want a server, don't buy a PC. If you want a PC, don't buy a tablet.

How can you be so arrogant as to assume that no one buys things for different reasons than you?

Translation (0, Troll)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213972)

"Our tablet-thingies don't sell well. Damn, even I cant remember what they are called - Convertertrons? Flippamagicals? It was something with 'Acer' ..."

Dying dinosaur is dying (3, Insightful)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 3 years ago | (#37213990)

In its most recent quarter, Acer lost $234 million [engadget.com] . Acer has no competitive tablet offering among the dozens of competing Android tablets. And of course the iPad is selling like mad with an expectation of 22 million units sold during the upcoming holiday quarter [cnet.com] .

The Acer CEO is a dimwit who's talking smack because there's nothing else he can do to stem the tide of abject failure coming out of his factories. He is basically berating the customers for buying "hot" tablets, particularly the iPad, instead of buying the tried-and-true plastic Wintel units that Acer vomits up. His company bet big on low-margin netbooks and lost, and now he's betting on Intel "ultrabooks".

HP just bailed out of the entire PC business (echoing IBM's decision in 2004), and among the reasons was that the tablet effect is real [electronista.com] .

The Acer CEO's effort is better focused on coming up with better products, not whining.

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214186)

The Acer CEO is a dimwit who's talking smack because there's nothing else he can do to stem the tide of abject failure coming out of his factories

Acer sold off their factories years ago. They are going the Motorola route of just outsourcing everything and hoping their name alone will allow them continue to reap huge profits. Obviously as you pointed out, those hopes arent coming to fruition.

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214208)

"Acer has no competitive tablet offering among the dozens of competing Android tablets." Except it does: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100013681&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&SrchInDesc=acer&Page=1&PageSize=20 [newegg.com]

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214214)

If that is competitive why are they losing money?

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214344)

If you're considering all the other tablets "competitive" then you have to consider the Acer ones as well.

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214262)

From the link you posted:

"If its most important partner both acknowledging the iPad as being responsible for steep PC declines and getting rid of its PC business, casting doubt on its future... Other companies have faced the effect so far, most notably Acer and ASUS. Both have seen sharp dropoffs in sales"

This. Tablets are going to render the traditional PC into a small niche, just as PCs once did to high end workstations. There are people who get this, and people who have their head stuck in the sand.

Re:Dying dinosaur is dying (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214288)

Heh, I think Acer's products are fine, they're just always late to the party. I bought one of their dual-core atom nettops for work, and it's actually pretty nice compared to some of the other small PCs I played with before it. It had good specs and nicely integrated packaging. But by the time it came out it was just sort of pointless now that the little cheaper special-purpose nettops like rokus or googletvs or boxee boxes are out. Sure, those devices are more limited in what they can do, but the few things they do have a nicer interface than the more flexible nettop PC.

But if I ever needed an old netbook or nettop for some 5-year-old home automation / robotics project, I wouldn't hesitate to toss a cheap Acer at it.

This is the true power of Apple (0)

Ryantology (2388210) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214022)

To take what is essentially an expensive toy, an oversized smartphone which doesn't make calls, a laptop which is only barely practical for any serious use, and turn it into a smash success which creates an entirely new sector of portable electronics and dominates the shit out of it. Apple is the New England Patriots of consumer technology.

Re:This is the true power of Apple (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214122)

You know, when I first saw this headline, I misread and thought it said Apple CEO Declares a Tablets Bubble

And I was wondering... what the h**** ?

I would of more expected to see the Apple CEO making a big show to unveil the latest Pad to an audience of drooling Apple developers

Re:This is the true power of Apple (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214286)

"You know, when I first saw this headline, I misread and thought it said Apple CEO Declares a Tablets Bubble"

If they had, all of the Apple fanboys complaining about Acer here would reverse direction and agree with the statement.

Before last weekend, I would say it's a fad (5, Insightful)

BLToday (1777712) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214056)

Before last weekend, I would say it's a fad and will eventually die out within a few years. Then I saw my grandfather using a iPad, that was eye opening. He's 90, been partial paralyzed for 15 years after a stroke so he can only use his left hand. He's never really use a computer and doesn't understand the concept of the Internet. My uncle had brought the iPad to show my cousin's white coat ceremony photos. After showing my grandfather how to open the Photo App (it's the sunflower icon), selecting which album he wanted to see (Graduation, Family Photos, etc.), moving the next picture by swiping your finger, and zooming in and out with pinching, under 5 minutes he was able to do all that and had a blast. I haven't seen him amazed by technology, ever. We've try to get him to use a computer, that didn't work.

There's something here in tablets, not as a computing platform. It's a communication medium for the other 5 billion unconnected humans. It should be a seamless experience with the absolutely the lowest learning curve possible.

Re:Before last weekend, I would say it's a fad (0, Flamebait)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214176)

So? I know a 90 year old that's very adept at using a PC. She's even better at using a PC than her daughter is and the daughter is an engineer.

You don't need an iPad just because you are older than Methuseleh.

sdhi7! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214096)

There never was a tablet market. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214114)

There's no tablet bubble, there's not even a tablet market. There's an iPad market and any other tablet will have to carve out the same niche since Windows tablets.

Re:There never was a tablet market. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214232)

Sorry, but a TABLET PC market has existed cince 1996. Fujitsu has been the KING of Tablet PC's for decades. in fact most hosptials have Fuj itsu Stylistics all ove rthe place.

Sounds like you not only do not know what you are talking about, bot know nothing at all about Computing at all. the iPad is a dirt cheap iteration of what a lot of companies and professionals have been using for well over 20 years now.

Tablets will likely stay around for a while (1)

Niomosy (1503) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214134)

Tablets were a neat toy without a market. They had a cool factor going so people bought them. They're now starting to find more and more uses for them. I've been to two restaurants where our orders were taken on 7" Galaxy tabs. I've read of at least one or two restaurants putting their high-end wine lists on iPads. Musicians have been starting to put iPads to use during performances.

We're still at the tip of the iceberg with this. Lenovo's releasing their business-oriented tabs and I've seen stories of companies either putting tabs to use or preparing for such.

I don't necessarily see the tab market going away.

Re:Tablets will likely stay around for a while (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214280)

Professional tablets have been around for decades... where have you been?

Dauphin DTR-1 was the very first, and was widely used in 1993 for mostly the FBI and insurance industry, doctors started using it.
Fujitsu Stylistic is the absolute standard and has been for over 20 years now.
Lenovo is so late to the party, they are pretty much a joke.

People who want them, have them (4, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214158)

Tablets were never going to sell like they were forever. We're approaching the point where most people who want them, already have them. That doesn't mean they were a fad or a bubble. Without looking at sales figures, I would guess that all major inventions, from the Model T to the microwave oven to the MP3 player have gone through a similar cycle. They will continue to sell as people upgrade or replace aging units, but not at the rate they once did. It's a huge win for Apple that they got in at the ground floor. All the "me too!" companies now have an uphill fight on their hands. The Acer CEO likely knows this, and so is declaring the grapes to be sour.

And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214170)

Why would anyone want a computer in his house?
Why would anyone need more than 640k?
Who wants to watch movies on their TV?

Well... (3, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214178)

I guess it hasn't been proven scientifically that wishing doesn't work... Good luck with that, Mr. Wang!

netbook vs android tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214182)

When my Acer netbook died I bought an Android tablet for a replacement (same price ~$300) but man the tablet sucks! It's useless for anything involving typing, which is email, posting, coding, gaming, everything. Then it's very limited can't play some media that a netbook could do easily. Last but not least it sucks to watch movies on when the codec does work! I used to get in bed and put my netbook on my chest and it would be like watching a huge screen. With the tablet you have to like hold it with your hand for 2 hours, which kind of takes you out of the movie. Or I guess prop it up on a pillow which of course it slides off at random times. Shitsux. It's ok for reading pdfs and listening to audio books but ... a netbook does that just the same! I'm sooo over tablets.

He's right, but... (1)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214188)

... for the wrong reasons.

Notebooks and tablets will merge. Tablet HW is already good enough to run desktop OS & software...

What Use Are They? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37214250)

Worthless for anything that requires typing because typing on an on-screen keyboard is a nightmare.
Terrible web browsing experience.
Rubbish for gaming because of the lack of physical controls.
Useless for watching videos because who wants to hold their display while watching a film.
Can't be used for any RealWork such as programming, graphic design, stock trading or anything else.
I can't really think what else they could be used for.

I can see all sorts of commercial uses were laptops wouldn't work. For example, doing stock checks, taking orders in a restaurant, displaying plans for construction work, taking down survey results etc. To me tablets look ideal for many business applications but useless for consumers.

Re:What Use Are They? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214304)

I was at a conference a few months ago and saw a woman using an iPad to edit a document using the on-screen keyboard, and I'd wager she was doing about 35wpm. Not spectacular, as she obviously knew how to type, but still, not too bad. I suspect, like anything, it just takes getting used to. It certainly meant she had a smaller, more self-contained device to take notes with than someone with a notebook, or shudder, a netbook/subnotebook.

Strange Spellings (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214282)

I didn't know "prays" was spelled "d-e-c-l-a-r-e-s"

Just like what happened to netbooks? (1)

feranick (858651) | more than 3 years ago | (#37214340)

Acer, really? The company that so much invested in what came before the tablets (the netbooks, that is), now is stating something that is yet to be demonstrated. I mean, really? It sound like a kid that got his toy stolen by a smarter kid and as an answer he says: "well, that toy won't last, there are better ones out there". Netbooks were a half-cooked idea, portable as tablets, underpowered PCs but not as convenient (and let's face it, not as appealing to use). It was obvious when tablets (namely when the iPad) came around, the netbooks were dead. For Acer to say now that the same would happen to the tablet is not only presumptuous, but in fact all to be demonstrated. And even more, to say that what's coming after is a win8 tablet? The tablet's killer is a PC? That to me looks only like wishful thinking. But as it looks now, that's really not going to happen.
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