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China Removes Cyberwar Video, Denies Everything

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the it-was-the-one-armed-man dept.

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jjp9999 writes "Anyone looking for the video clip showing the Chinese regime launching cyberattacks using script kiddie tactics was greeted with a message stating 'Error Page — This page does not exist anymore,' on the state-run TV website. The propaganda video, still available on YouTube, included a clip showing an unseen user launching a cyberattack against an Alabama-based website of the Falun Gong meditation practice. China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.' The statement is the common line given by the regime after they're tacked with launching a global cyberattack — including after GhostNet, Operation Aurora, Operation Night Dragon, and Operation Shady Rat were revealed."

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Yeah right (2)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219658)

Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks

But the Chinese equivalent of the NSA sure did....

Re:Yeah right (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220264)

How can you say such things, China would never do something so outright illegal as to attack companies in the US. /sarcasm

Re:Yeah right (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220372)

A cultural element of both China and Japan is that nothing is really bad, wrong, or immoral, unless you get publicly caught. That's not to say everyone embraces such ideology but it is pervasive in their cultures.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220426)

A cultural element of both China and Japan is that nothing is really bad, wrong, or immoral, unless you get publicly caught. That's not to say everyone embraces such ideology but it is pervasive in their cultures.

And this differs from American culture, how?

Re:Yeah right (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220726)

Don't be simple. I know America has its flaws, but comparing it to that sort of barbarism is way out of line.

In America, it doesn't matter if you get caught, so long as you make a metric fuckton of money in the process.

Re:Yeah right (2)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221026)

You're confusing an empowered minority who are frequently sociopaths with American culture. America has no such cultural norm. In fact, in American, the norm is exactly opposite of this. That doesn't mean in any way, it doesn't happen here.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220738)

I believe a certain number of CEO's in this country believe the same thing given their corporate practices.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220856)

That's a scary thought. It's a damn good thing that attitude isn't pervasive in the US, especially in the government and financial sectors.

Protip: Sociopaths are MASSIVELY disproportionately represented in positions of power.

Re:Yeah right (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220936)

Protip: Sociopaths are MASSIVELY disproportionately represented in positions of power.

I was going to point this out. I completely agree.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220586)

Why does slashdot use this horrible interface? There's this slider bar on the top right, but even when I maximize the slider bar, I still don't see all the comments. I have to go to the bottom and click on "Get N more comments" several times until all comments are loaded. One of the worst interfaces ever.

Ugh, God, seriously China? (4, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219664)

Just man up and own it. For fuck's sake, it's just getting painful.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219796)

Why? Did the US or Israel own up to Stuxnet? Must've missed the memo.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (5, Insightful)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219836)

I didn't see the video of a federal employee with "push button to attack Iranian nuclear facilities" on the screen in the background.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219982)

You know all these really fat women waddling around because they long ago lost the ability to walk like a normal person?

Every time I see one I think man, what a waste of a perfectly good vagina.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220252)

Push button, attack Iran? Do I get any bacon out of the deal?

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

cyberstealth1024 (860459) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221146)

I don't think so, but here, have some bacon! (I have some spare)

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219842)

You fucked up?
You man up!
Then you shut the fuck up, man.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219882)

You fucked up?
You man up!
Then you shut the fuck up, man.

Boom banga boom boom boom ...

Yeah!

Add in an E Major power chord (just the tonic and the 5th) and I think you got a HIT! The Beastie Boys could make it HUGE!

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220060)

The Beastie Boys could make it HUGE!

Fuck that, we need Limp Bizkit on this one!! That Fred Durst is so edgy!!!

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (5, Insightful)

thelexx (237096) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219848)

Nearly every word that comes out of Chinese officials' mouths is painful to listen to. If it served their purposes they would claim the sky is red, forbid anyone from discussing it, jail/torture/disappear those who dared to still say it was blue, and denounce other countries for meddling in their internal affairs by stating the obvious. And do it with a straight face and a clear conscience. If that government not fucking evil, I don't know what is and I'm sick of hearing their blatant bullshit and absolutist statements. They are simply a slightly more moderate and much larger version of North Korea, and without the cult of personality.

To be clear, I think the Chinese culture is rich and ancient, and that the common, thinking people there feel much the same when they witness their own government's bullshit. It's their political structure and those who populate it that need to die in a fucking fire.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (3, Insightful)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219954)

To be clear, I think the Chinese culture is rich and ancient, and that the common, thinking people there feel much the same when they witness their own government's bullshit. It's their political structure and those who populate it that need to die in a fucking fire.

I believe that most of that statement is probably true for the majority of people in the world. I live in the US and know that I certainly feel that way about our gov't. Except for the ancient culture part anyhow.

I know many people from Iran, Cuba, Russia, China, etc. This seems to be a common feeling among most of the people that we are told are evil.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (5, Insightful)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220692)

Honestly there really isn't any comparing the US and Chinese government.
I make no excuses for the US gov't, but the US gov't is the obnoxious, occasionally destructive frat boy to the Chinese gov't's sociopathic homicidal con-man.

Worst part is that kind of government is a part of chinese culture, too. that's sort of how they've run the show for most of their history. it's fucking weird.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (2)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221172)

True, but when I talk to the normal non-government person from China they don't feel the people of the US are out to get them or vice-verse. It truly amazes me how much of a divide there is between the people and the people who are supposed represent them.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220986)

To be clear, I think the Chinese culture is rich and ancient, and that the common, thinking people there feel much the same when they witness their own government's bullshit. It's their political structure and those who populate it that need to die in a fucking fire.

I believe that most of that statement is probably true for the majority of people in the world. I live in the US and know that I certainly feel that way about our gov't. Except for the ancient culture part anyhow.

I know many people from Iran, Cuba, Russia, China, etc. This seems to be a common feeling among most of the people that we are told are evil.

Well I suppose the plus side of looters having everything is that there's nothing left to loot but one another - then again that causes a depression for everyone, not just the people responsible.

Hear, hear! (1)

Graham J - XVI (1076671) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220208)

Well said, I could not possibly agree more.

nothing to own up to (2)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220316)

This is a country that has a history of pointing at a deer and call it a horse [wikimedia.org] , or more recently calling Minnie Mouse a "cat with large ears." [japanprobe.com] So why is this a surprise?

Re:nothing to own up to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220924)

A robber man is not a man. :)
http://www.ontology.co/chinese-philosophy.htm

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220362)

>> To be clear, I think the Chinese culture is rich and ancient, and that the common, thinking people there feel much the same when they witness their own government's bullshit.

Same for the US... well, except for the rich and ancient part.

Sounds like a normal gov to me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220402)

If you can't point to lots of equivalent examples in your own gov, you aren't thinking carefully enough.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220836)

Yes. i recommend that the Chinese government takes some PR consultants.

Other governments manage to whitewash their dirty laundry much better.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219856)

I watched about 3-4 minutes and at least at the beginning there is nothing really showing a 'cyber attack' other than maybe a drop down list that populated a box with an IP. I'd want to see a translation, which the article does not provide. Instead it goes into everything we've already heard. But the video seems to show nothing but *western* militaries commenting on/working on cyber warfare. There's a suspicious disconnect in this article. That doesn't make the PLA's behaviour less suspicious, but lets not blow this out until we see a transcript.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220150)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2768138/posts

Don't know how accurate this explanation is, but it seems to be the heart of the story if it's true. Looking up the IP that briefly appears in the software on-screen (138.26.72.17) confirms that it belongs to University of Alabama. For the rest of the translation, I guess we'll have to wait for a native Chinese speaker to confirm.

Chinese speaker here (2)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220500)

The gist of the 10 minutes:

1. Cyber warfare is an emerging worldwide threat
2. Viruses pose the largest current threat, Morris worm shown as example
2. Many countries in the world are developing their cyber warfare capabilities
3. Chinese cyber defenses are weak and ill-prepared compared to most of these countries
4. The US integrated a cyber warfare department into its air force in 2006, made up of computer experts and hackers
5. The US has been using its world-leading cyber security abilities to its advantage in its middle east wars
6. The US often conducts cyber warfare exercises to improve its readiness
7. British MoD has been developing cyber weapons in preparation for possible future engagements
8. Iran, India, Israel, South Korea have already established internet army (cyber warfare departments)
9. Japan this year just established it's own "cyber self-defense group"
10. Chinese internet has experienced significant development, but is still weak in cyber defense compared to other countries
11. Because a cyber war has no front lines or depth of terrain, a proper cyber defense must integrate both military and civilian assets
12. Cyber defense and offense are two sides of the same coin, and while one may be prioritized above the other at different times, their mutual support is always fluid and dynamic
13. Large scale cyber warfare may be the future of modern warfare

Re:Chinese speaker here (2)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220628)

Also, during the specific part where it shows the "hacking GUI"

[previous segment explains what trojans and backdoors are and how they function]
Narrator: There are many ways to carry out a cyber attack -- there are "hard" methods and "soft" methods.
General explains: Soft methods include logic bombs and email obstruction, and other common methods of internet damage. (clip shows the "hacking GUI" with the ip address we're all worked up about) Hard methods are those that damage or destroy an enemy's internet hardware, such as EMP bombs (clip shows US bombs and fighters firing missiles)

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220068)

That's not how the game of hegemony is played though. We say one thing, they say another and point out that we do it to, we say what exactly? That we are the good guys so it's okay when we do it? That we promise we only do it to rogue nations?

When we refuse to bow down to any higher authority, we take the risk that someone else is going to do mean things to us, and we'll need to either declare war on them, do mean things back, or find other ways to try to convince them not to.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220212)

I don't remember seeing a propaganda video that the US released showing a script kiddie application they were using to hack a Chinese university.

I just wish I could have been a part of the days when your intentions were plainly written down on paper, signed, and then sent to the entity in question.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220664)

Replace "script kiddie application" with "helicopter gunship" and "hack a Chinese university" with "annihilate an Iraqi vegetable market", and you have the ethical equivalency the OP was getting at.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220804)

Okay, I guess you got me there. Jesus, I had forgotten about that. I'm actually kind of ashamed.

Re:Just man up and own it. (0)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220070)

I figure China admitting to their hacking program is about as likely as the US owning up to the real reason for invading the middle east

Re:Just man up and own it. (4, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220250)

I like to think it's more like the refusal would be equivalent to the US insisting that they DIDN'T invade the Middle East, and that it was all just "Anti-US" propaganda and lies. I don't care what China's reasons are. The fact that they got getting caught doing it but are schizophrenically denying it is the part that bothers me.

Re:Just man up and own it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37221092)

Middle East?? What is this "Middle East" you speak of?

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220112)

Manning up to this would be a bad idea. It's one thing that we all know it's happening, it's another thing for a country to openly admit they're attacking another. Sort of like how we all assume the CIA has its hands in some international doings, but the US government would never openly admit it while its happening.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220272)

There's still a difference between noticing the cookie jar being lighter from one day to the next and actually having a video of someone with their hand inside it.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221060)

Based on the comments from that article, it sounded like the video itself was also pretty suspicious (which the Chinese are hiding behind). Either way, the mantra has always been deny, deny, deny.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220454)

Out of curiosity (as I wasn't born yet) did the US man up to Iran Contra? Or the attempts to overthrow South American nations?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair [wikipedia.org]

It looks like Reagan actually came out and admitted at least part of it, and there is some question as to whether he knew more than he admitted.

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

vbraga (228124) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220666)

At least for the Brazilian coup there are declassified information showing US support and possible involvement if things did not end up well.

Declassified transcripts of communications between Lincoln Gordon and the US government show that, predicting an all-out civil war, Johnson authorized logistical materials to be in place to support the coup-side of the rebellion. These included ammunition, motor oil, gasoline, aviation gasoline and other materials to help in a potential civil war in US Navy tankers sailing from Aruba. About 110 tons of ammunition and CS gas were made ready in New Jersey for a potential airlift to Viracopos Airport in Campinas. Potential support was also made available in the form of an "aircraft carrier (USS Forrestal) and two guided missile destroyers (expected arrive in area by April 10), (and) four destroyers", which sailed to Brazil under the guise of a military exercise.

Link [wikipedia.org]

Re:Ugh, God, seriously China? (1)

The Moof (859402) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221018)

If they did (I believe they did, was before my time as well), it was long after it ended. I don't think they would've said anything about doing it while it was happening.

"You don't need to see his ID": (1)

Hartree (191324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219686)

The General was quoted as: "These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along."

Re:"You don't need to see his ID": (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220462)

And it worked...

Forget it Jake, it's China (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219690)

This is amusing, but not particularly scary. Everyone expects this kind of behavior and lies out of the Chinese government, and acts accordingly. It's never the covert actions of our enemies that scare me *nearly* as much as the covert actions of my own government. After all, you can build walls to protect against an *outside* threat.

Re:Forget it Jake, it's China (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219742)

Just be sure to make those walls out of fire, in this case.

whois denying the stuxnet fuxnet thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219694)

disarm. read the teepeeleaks etchings. thanks again.

Re:whois denying the stuxnet fuxnet thing? (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220504)

Perhaps that is because maybe it wasn't the US at all?

Re:whois denying the stuxnet fuxnet thing? (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220916)

Now now, the people have already decided that it was the US, Israel, or both. The fact that there is no actual evidence just proves that it had to be the US or Israel because certainly no one else in the world has the ability to pull off something like this. Which is sort of surprising since the US is constantly criticized for a lack of cyber security abilities and overall intelligence. \sarcasm

"Pure action of the producer" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219704)

Yeah, I'm sure that producer also independently funded the broadcasting, the authorization on the state-run television station.

Re:"Pure action of the producer" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219952)

He also paid for the extended holiday at an undisclosed location for himself and anyone else involved in the video going public. You know, to celebrate such a great work of visual fiction.

Great Firewall of china (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219706)

Can we get Cisco to put a rule on the Great Firewall of China to block all access to anything in the U.S. please? I'm sure the rest of the world wouldn't mind if suddenly China could no longer relentlessly badger them online either.

Re:Great Firewall of china (2)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219838)

I suggested a total blockade of traffic from China years ago. We do not have any needs of them accessing our internet.

Re:Great Firewall of china (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220014)

Other than their trillions of dollars which are currently keeping the global economy from reaching the level of total catastrophe, you're right, we have no needs from them whatsoever.....

Re:Great Firewall of china (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220578)

Ignoring the fact that breaking the internet on purpose is short-sighted at best, what exactly do you think would prevent them from renting servers and IP space from any number of other countries to continue doing whatever they feel like doing? Not to mention simply bouncing off proxies created from botnets.

Sanitizing Reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219720)

They are as bad as Crossfit.com for sanitizing reality...

mo#d &up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219724)

Are almo5t [goat.cx]

We are at war with Eastasia (2)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219744)

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Re:We are at war with Eastasia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220052)

At least it isn't a Land War.

Re:We are at war with Eastasia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220328)

You must be mistaken comrade, we have always been at war with Eurasia!

Hate to ruin a good AC post but the captcha is far to fitting: entrap.

Sad part is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219768)

...the US government will probably believe China.
I wish I could waltz out, commit a crime, and simply tell the officer "I didn't do it!" and not get in trouble for it.

Re:Sad part is... (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219916)

No the US will smile and nod at china as they continue developing their own "weapons of digital warfare", what the US believes and say they believe are 2 seperate things. It actually wouldn't supprise me if china didn't have the program in question, just a fake UI they designed to "accidentally leak". China and the US are involved in rivaling mind games, the 2 biggest edges one could have in a fight is for the other side to completely mis-estimate what you have and or know.

Re:Sad part is... (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219970)

...the US government will probably believe China.

For politicial and economic reasons it has to "believe" China. Whether it privately actually believes China is a completely different matter.

compelled to believe (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220420)

...the US government will probably believe China.

Diplomatic "courtesy" requires the US to believe China. Privately, everyone knows that a deer is a deer. [wikimedia.org]

Tiananmen Square (5, Funny)

malraid (592373) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219774)

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they go to China, and in Tiananmen Square they have a plaque that says "On This Site in 1989, Nothing Happened"

Re:Tiananmen Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219892)

well ofc. its simpsons. its propaganda. what did you expect?

who cares. (-1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219800)

im inclined to believe china. all of these "nets" and "operations" are codenamed by american bureaucrats and fledgeling IT security companies who are for some reason completely convinced china is launching a massive digital attack against its primary trading partner.

and once again, lets make this perfectly clear: the video footage in question was provided by a pro-falun gong website, showing depictions of attacks against falun gong sites.

Re:who cares. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220004)

The video ran on Chinese STATE-RUN television. That means that some hack in the massive Chinese censorship bureaucracy vetted this video and decided to show it to the Proletariat anyway. This entire summary is about how the Chinese pulled it from their STATE-RUN website and put up a message saying, "What? Who? Us? What video?" If this were just some random thing uploaded by Falun Gong supporters then your argument would hold water. Instead it's something that China ran on their-- let me say it again-- STATE-RUN television news, and Falun Gong supporters saw it and reuploaded it to the wider web to say, Ha ha, look how stupid China is.

Imagine the Tea Party creates a relatively boring propaganda video about government spending, but in the background for 3 seconds of one shot you can see Michelle Bachmann snorting cocaine. Someone at Huffington Post catches this, copies the video, and uploads it to their website saying, "Wow, busted!" The Tea Party turn around and delete the video from their website and claim it was never there, and then you come along on Slashdot and claim the whole thing was a HuffPo propaganda hit piece and that they orchestrated the whole thing.

In short, the Chinese Politburo would like to send you their sincerest thanks for backing up the party line.

Re:who cares. (1)

The Pirou (1551493) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220078)

Nicely done. Sadly meta-mod did not give me your post.

Re:who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220232)

And if the censorship isn't enough to be morally outraged over, let's not forget that the guy who produced the video, and potentially the guy who okayed it to run on tv, are probably on their way to a military-controlled work camp that's so far from civilization that they pipe in sunlight. Either that or they took them out behind the CNTV headquarters and shot them in the head, and they're sending the shell casings to their families along with a bill for the execution. Because that's the reality of justice with our biggest trading partner.

Re:who cares. (2)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220684)

The video ran on Chinese STATE-RUN television. That means that some hack in the massive Chinese censorship bureaucracy vetted this video and decided to show it to the Proletariat anyway.

And that hacks' kidneys, liver, and lungs are now available for transplant.

Re:who cares. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220702)

Imagine the Tea Party creates a relatively boring propaganda video about government spending, but in the background for 3 seconds of one shot you can see Michelle Bachmann snorting cocaine. Someone at Huffington Post catches this, copies the video, and uploads it to their website saying, "Wow, busted!" The Tea Party turn around and delete the video from their website and claim it was never there, and then you come along on Slashdot and claim the whole thing was a HuffPo propaganda hit piece and that they orchestrated the whole thing.

Bad analogy. Michelle Bachmann is well known. The China video is showing an "unseen" person.

If an unseen person is shown to be doing cocaine in a tea party video, I bet they'll do similar things as China is doing: deny connection and responsibility.

Even if the person shown is known, I bet the tea party/China will STILL deny it: they'll just disassociate themselves with that person ("he isn't/wasn't acting on our behalf. Going to punish him, etc")

It's the same thing Rupert Murdoch and co. did with NOTW: they didn't know. It's not their fault. it's the people they trusted (and they in turn trusted some other people...)

Only difference is China's attempts at denying/lying (that we know of) are rather poor (and they get away with it more often... funny how that works)

Re:who cares. (1)

brit74 (831798) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221120)

> "Bad analogy. Michelle Bachmann is well known. The China video is showing an "unseen" person.. If an unseen person is shown to be doing cocaine in a tea party video"
Bad analogy, since the hacker in the background is obviously following orders. Some random person in the background snorting cocaine would obviously be doing it for their own reasons, not because they were ordered to (which would give the tea party credibility in saying "they weren't doing it on our behalf"). Anyway, his analogy wasn't about who was giving orders or who was in control over the person in the background - it was about whether or not the video was fake. You picked out the wrong feature of the analogy and complained it didn't fit.

Re:who cares. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220088)

and once again, lets make this perfectly clear: the video footage in question was provided by a pro-falun gong website, showing depictions of attacks against falun gong sites.

No, you are wrong. Either you didn't read the article, didn't understand the article, or are deliberately spreading misinformation.

1.) The full video was provided by cntv.cn, which is the video archive of the state-controlled China Central Television network (originally at http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20110717/100139.shtml )
2.) The gleeful commentary about the slip-up in the content of the video was provided a pro Falun Gong website.
3.) Even the Chinese government did not blame Falun Gong for the video, but is blaming its own producer.

tl;dr: the video footage in question was provided by a Chinese state-controlled website

Re:who cares. (1)

brit74 (831798) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221054)

> "who are for some reason completely convinced china is launching a massive digital attack against its primary trading partner."
I wasn't aware that Falun Gong was China's primary trading partner.

But, seriously, China has ample reasons to exploit security holes to conduct industrial and military espionage. They realize, as the US does, that the trade agreement is overlayed on top of *the* major rivalry of the 21st century.

Jesus Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219806)

China is an effing disgrace. And I'm Chinese!

Shaggy - It wasn't me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37219958)

enough said

China MoD statement (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#37219980)

China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.'

Of course, what they don't tell you is that there are cyber units/departments in other ministries of the government. So they could be telling the complete truth when they say that the Chinese military has never implemented cyber attacks. Notice that they never said the Chinese GOVERNMENT has never implemented cyber attacks.

Re:China MoD statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37221080)

I take it you're not an american and therefore not versed in doublespeak:

YES WE CAN

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." (5, Insightful)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220036)

"There was no cover-up."
"There is definitive proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction."
"We do not torture."
"They started it."
Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220340)

One of these things is not like the other ones... =/

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220506)

Humans lie all the time. :(

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220530)

"I am not a crook"

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220640)

And my personal favorite, "I am not a reptilian humanoid."

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220816)

You know, those documents where saddams government claims to actually have those weapons, even if it was just to make his neighbors worry.

Honest! (1)

Loundry (4143) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220844)

Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.

Indeed. Quite opposed to corporations, trade unions, churches, scientists, public interest groups, police departments, community organizers, universities, charities, and individuals, all of which advance and defend their interests with 100% honesty and lamb-like innocence.

Re:Honest! (1, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220958)

In other words, where there is power, there are lies.

Re:Honest! (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221098)

I'm going to try to log into your account with the password "trustno1". You have 30 seconds to change your password.

Re:"I did not have sexual relations with that woma (1)

brit74 (831798) | more than 3 years ago | (#37221192)

I'm sorry, China. I shouldn't have expected anything better than lies from any government. I am no longer outraged. You may continue operating as usual, but now you don't have to worry about our disapproval. Thank you, NicknamesAreStupid, for normalizing lies and deceit. I predict a rosey future for humanity when nobody even complains about government lies. And, I predict a wonderful existence for governments when they can lie without ever being held accountable, not even having to face social disapproval.

As long as we're at it, let's add a few more things: men and women cheat. Let's stop complaining about it. Let's just shrug and not even make people face social disapproval. Habitual cheaters everywhere, rejoice. You've just reached heaven.

Not surprising... (2)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220110)

There was an sometimes amusing, usually frustrating, that seems to be somewhat unique to Chinese politicians. They'll publicly make baldfaced lies. There will be overwhelming evidence and they'll still blatantly deny it. Our politicians lie like hell, but they're more tactful about it. Once the secret is out they'll do a little tap dance to avoid actually addressing the issue. But not there, they'll just keep lying about it until everyone forgets about it, they're forced to resign or they end up in jail.

So it's not surprising in the least that they're denying this video. And the best part is that they'll deny these attacks and then gloat about it all behind our backs.

Re:Not surprising... (2)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 3 years ago | (#37220808)

The difference is that in China, if you dare to actually say that they're lying, you're liable to get reeducated [wikipedia.org] , house-arrested, arrested, or just plain old shot.

all governments suck, some suck slightly more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37220170)

nobody should believe anything any "government official" says

it is all a bunch of self serving lies which serve to maintain the status quo and protect the ruling class

DHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37221040)

Yeah I trust the Chinese almost as much as I trust Homeland Security...

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