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Neanderthal Sex Boosted Immunity In Modern Humans

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the check-out-greg-bear's-darwin's-radio dept.

Science 190

NotSanguine writes "Sexual relations between ancient humans and their evolutionary cousins were critical for our modern immune systems, researchers report (paper itself is subscription only) in the journal Science. Mating with Neanderthals and another ancient group called Denisovans introduced genes that help us cope with viruses to this day, they conclude."

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Old news? (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229696)

I'm sure this knowledge was a big influence on who Mrs. Ballmer chose as a mate.

Re:Old news? (2)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229774)

If it boost the amount of developers I'm all for it.

Re:Old news? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230046)

Must be why white girls give it for nig-nogs. That and trying to upset mommy and daddy, knowing there is a 8-inch uncut nigger cock pumping their precious little angle's pussy full of black sperm.

Did Not Read The Fine Article FAIL, er... ure. (3, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230426)

Must be why white girls give it for nig-nogs.

Definitely worth reading the article before trolling... it actually states the complete opposite:-

"At least one variety of HLA gene occurs frequently in present day populations from West Asia, but is rare in Africans.

The researchers say that is because after ancient humans left Africa some 65,000 years ago, they started breeding with their more primitive relations in Europe, while those who stayed in Africa did not .

"The HLA genes that the Neanderthals and Denisovans had, had been adapted to life in Europe and Asia for several hundred thousand years, whereas the recent migrants from Africa wouldn't have had these genes," said study leader Peter Parham."

Also

there is a 8-inch uncut nigger cock pumping their precious little angle's pussy

Maybe their little "angle" was just doing it to be obtuse. She can get away with it if she is acute girl after all...

Re:Did Not Read The Fine Article FAIL, er... ure. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230550)

Must be why white girls give it for nig-nogs.

Definitely worth reading the article before trolling... it actually states the complete opposite:-

"At least one variety of HLA gene occurs frequently in present day populations from West Asia, but is rare in Africans. The researchers say that is because after ancient humans left Africa some 65,000 years ago, they started breeding with their more primitive relations in Europe, while those who stayed in Africa did not . "The HLA genes that the Neanderthals and Denisovans had, had been adapted to life in Europe and Asia for several hundred thousand years, whereas the recent migrants from Africa wouldn't have had these genes," said study leader Peter Parham."

Also

there is a 8-inch uncut nigger cock pumping their precious little angle's pussy

Maybe their little "angle" was just doing it to be obtuse. She can get away with it if she is acute girl after all...

Since niggers are more primitive technologically and socially maybe they are so close to being Neanderthals that they wouldn't gain any special immunity from interbreeding with them.

You just couldn't wish for a land richer in natural resources than Africa. But who actually made progress and invented things like the ability to sail the globe? The white man and the asian man, that's who. Which group of humans has been around the longest and that means should have the most experience at forming stable cultures that don't decay into anarchy and violence? African blacks, yet who has the most dictators and civil wars and mass starvation due solely to allocation of resources? That's right, african blacks.

The real racists are the ones who can look at blacks and how they live and what progress they have made and still claim they are equal to whites and asians. People like that are so obsessed with race they care about it more than objective fact, making them the true racists.

I don't abuse dogs and cats just because they are more primitive and less advanced than me. Knowing the black man is inferior to the white man and the asian man is not a reason to mistreat them. People who harm somebody else because of race are monsters just like rapists and murderers. But that does not make the black man my equal.

Re:Did Not Read The Fine Article FAIL, er... ure. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230844)

I agree with this sentiment. Unfortunately, it is impossible to state this without getting labeled a racist. I feel similarly about Native Americans, too, since they are essentially a failed ethnicity.

Let's face it -- you fail socially and technologically, you deserve to be wiped out. What's so hard about that?

Re:Did Not Read The Fine Article FAIL, er... ure. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37231272)

I think the problem is the idea that they "deserved to be wiped out". As this data suggests a shrinking 'ethnicity' or gene pool contribute to larger 'ethnicitys'/gene pools. In other words smaller gene pools are absorbed by larger ones. Social and technological are a moving target and many times inversely proportional to each other as larger groups become more technological and less social. Scientific discussion about the development and interaction of different populations is not racist. Saying they deserved to be wiped out is. If we are going to twist biology to suit our argument then consider, by population numbers, anglos are not the most successful 'race' at the moment.

Re:Did Not Read The Fine Article FAIL, er... ure. (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230924)

Since niggers are more primitive technologically and socially maybe they are something something something

tl; dr

You're under the mistaken impression that I was taking you seriously in the first place and would read your half-baked "serious" troll. I wasn't, I was taking the piss. :-P

Re:Old news? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230256)

I'm sure this knowledge was a big influence on who Mrs. Ballmer chose as a mate.

Are you saying that his mate was trying to boost his/her immune system?

Re:Old news? (1)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230284)

No, she was thinking of potential offspring.

Re:Old news? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230454)

No, she was thinking of potential offspring.

she's probably a typical gold-digger type of woman. the kind most want to be tho some are fat. the fatties who could not become gold diggers hate themselves even more for that and find refuge in a big greasy bucket of comfort food.

seriously. check the marriage statistics yourself before you dismiss me as a troll. even women who are millionaires want to marry men who are multi-millionaires. from seeing much of the world i can say that the abusive assholes who have lots of money are far more likely to find a loving wife than the middle-class guys who have character and kindness and enjoy romance. funny cause those are the things women say they want. hilarious the way they say one thing then go for another isn't it?

saying most women are gold diggers or engage in a form of legalized prostitution is not a slur or an insult. it's a realistic assessment of how they behave and how to most simply explain it per occam's razor. the essential nature of most women is that of a whore. the difference between the regular average woman and the street prostitute is that one is honest about the nature of the transaction and tries to maximize the number of cliens, while the other is deluded to the point where she'd get highly offended if you point out what her tendencies and preferences say about her and tries to monopolize a single client.

women wonder why they're not taken more seriously especially in business. it's because they need to learn to be honest with themselves.

Hey Babe (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229732)

Want a better immune system for your kiddies?

Call me.

Re:Hey Babe (2)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230438)

Want a better immune system for your kiddies? Call me.

Unlikely... she knows that if you were really Neanderthal, you'd probably be using the phone to bash someone's head in, and you wouldn't even have a clue about the Internet. :-)

Re:Hey Babe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230628)

Want a better immune system for your kiddies? Call me.

Unlikely... she knows that if you were really Neanderthal, you'd probably be using the phone to bash someone's head in, and you wouldn't even have a clue about the Internet. :-)

LOL you really believe women actually put any rational thought into their choice of mate. Or that they would use the knowledge they have about men to draw conclusions about whether they should be with one particular man via some kind of deductive process. Hahahaha that's cute. You do know that what Mommy told you about women is idealistic fairy-tale crap, right? She probably told you women like nice guys and all sorts of other bullshit that just doesn't describe reality. don't get me wrong, she meant well, it's just that is how she sees herself no matter how much the facts contradict it so you understand she cannot help but tell you lies.

women just go with whatever irrational feelings they have at that moment. if their irrational feelings change they have no qualms about stringing the poor guy along until they find something more to their liking. for a group who loves to talk about the importance of feelings they are the most ruthless creatures imaginable. they have no sense of justice and the ends always justify the means, oh, unless someone manipulates THEM, then that's just terrible.

Re:Hey Babe (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#37231034)

LOL

Well, we've established that you're a mouth breather anyway.

you really believe [etc]

Er, no. Exactly how did my jokingly observing that a neanderthals probable inability to use a phone is an obvious giveaway in the OP's chat-up line make you think that I did?

Let me guess- you discovered this "truth" recently and you wanted the opportunity to bolster your puffed-up nerd ego and feel superior by giving a "Santa Claus doesn't exist" lecture to some stereotypical woman-ignorant Slashdot geek. Sorry to spoil your fun, but while I may be a geek, I've seen this said countless times before- you're very, *very* far from the first person to point all this out. This is old news.

PICTURES? (1)

eexaa (1252378) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229742)

we are on internet, aren't we?

Re:PICTURES? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230018)

Name of the jpeg file should tell you what there is but be careful, if you get caught looking at that picture...

http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/human-neanderthal-mating.jpeg [trendhunterstatic.com]

Re:PICTURES? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230680)

Name of the jpeg file should tell you what there is but be careful, if you get caught looking at that picture...

http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/human-neanderthal-mating.jpeg [trendhunterstatic.com]

that picture is obviously a phoney. not even slightly realistic. it suggests a white man and a primitive woman. this is backwards.

inter-racial relationships are almost always a white woman and a black man.

i don't think that says much about white women. some people don't want to date members of their own race for whatever reason, or maybe they find an exceptionally great person of another race. but it does say a lot about how horrifyingly bitchy and high-strung and militaristic most black women are.

you can make two observations here. 1. black men would rather have even a fat ugly white woman than be with their own women. 2. you almost never see a white man with a black woman unless he's really desperate or she's really exceptional. the bitchy "i am always in boot camp, i am never satisfied, i must always complain, i have unrealistically high self-esteem to the point of narcissim" attitude most black women cultivate doesn't appeal to any man of any color.

i don't know why black women are this way while most black men are down-to-earth and easygoing. the only explanation i can think of is that most black mothers are single mothers so they feel a need to be both mother and father. they don't do a very good job of taking on masculine characteristics because no woman really understands what it takes to be a man. the best they can do is be a real bitch and think this makes them a respectable head of household. they think that is the same as having strength of character. most women make that mistake. in business you constantly see women who think they have to be a big bitch or else no one will take them seriously. it is sort of like a guy with a tiny penis who drives the biggest truck he can afford and at least as pathetic.

Interracial relationships.... (3, Informative)

lenski (96498) | more than 3 years ago | (#37231358)

inter-racial relationships are almost always a white woman and a black man.

No.

Look about halfway down the page at a graph showing gender choices in interracial marriages. A smaller fraction of black women intermarry than black men, but the ratio is 22.0 % to 8.9 %. Not "almost always". Additionally, the fraction of mate selection (white, histpanic, asian, other) among those who do intermarry is nearly identical between the genders.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1616/american-marriage-interracial-interethnic?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress [pewresearch.org]

I should know better.. Don't feed trolls, especially cowards... But this whole race thing needs to be stomped where ever and whenever it appears.

Woohoo, thank you neanderthals! (1)

youn (1516637) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229746)

those DNA strands are awesome!

The good old days of evolution... (-1, Flamebait)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229776)

That would explain why female humans prefer male humans (when not on the pill) with totaly different DNA, based on smell.

It's obvious that mating with different DNA creates much more different combinations and thus a bigger possibility for survival.

It's something that we're totaly screwing up right now, by trying to treat all possible diseases and letting all crap DNA survive, weakening our chanses of survival. It's like not willing to sacrivise one baby for a thousand.

For example anti-biotics; it's subscribed to everything and everyone right now, meaning that if deadly stuff mutates to be able to resist the two common anti-biotics then we're absolutely screwed.

Devolution if you will...

Re:The good old days of evolution... (2, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229828)

There's one way to bring competition back: allow polygamy.

Let the best, brightest, fittest mate with as many as possible and have their spouses/kids be under the same legal protection monogamous marriages are right now.

With most mammals, it's what nature does anyway.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229862)

shoot... our closest relative.. the Bonobo, is hedonistic.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (3, Interesting)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229900)

You do realise that being the fittest (read: more succesful) in our current society, means being a total asshole with shitloads of money to pay for every single need?

There have been some tests that show that the happiest (non-suicidal people) are the people who arent stupid (120).

So that leaves us with a 110 IQ, rich asshole to mate with everyone.

That doesn't sound so nice to me.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (2)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229930)

And thank you Slashcode for leaving out some of my post:

Not stupid (above 100 IQ), but also not too brilliant to figure out everything sucks (above 120 IQ), resulting in 110 IQ.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229998)

Ideally the rich man's women would mate with other men (mostly African males who have many dissimilar genes but desireable physical features like larger penises and skeletal musculature), then use the cuckolded rich husband's resources to raise the babies. The babies would have a genetic advantage, but would also have the environmental advantage of the best private schools and other nurture. Sure beats dying premature deaths in inner-city ghettos.

A note on polygamy - If it is legal for a man to have multiple wives, it should also be legal for women to have multiple husbands. I for one would gladly be one of a rich older woman's boy toys in exchange for an allowance, copious amounts of pre or post-menopausal sex, and a nice place to live.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230310)

Every black run society/city/country usually goes straight to shit.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230496)

That's due to cultural issues, not genetic.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230726)

The largest society that non-neanderthal DNA has produced without major intervention from neanderthal infused cultures didn't even reach Aztec complexity even though population densities have been large enough quite often. It is quite probable there is a genetic component that influences social interaction.

"Death Before Dishonor" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37229946)

As my wife explained it, it means my death before I dishonor or embarrass her if I'm caught in an adulterous act. In simpler terms, she'd kill me if she caught me with anyone else. This "obsolete" moral code is still very much alive, as evidenced in the newspapers by daily reports of cheating husbands or wives being killed by their angry spouses despite severe penalties by the law.

This is another thing nature does anyway.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229994)

Marriage and procreation are two different things. Watch an episode of Jenny Jones, Montel Williams or Jerry Springer for details.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230228)

max(IQ1,IQ2) / 60 = max number of kids allowed, rounded down... and perfect way to reduce the population and idiots in the world....

Re:The good old days of evolution... (3, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230526)

Now would that be a society based upon psychopathic greed or intellectual prowess or humanitarianism or athletic ability or to stupid to plan ahead and use contraceptives.

Just want to clarify the basis of selection and not even look to touch on the issue of which is better for human society a matriarchy or a patriarchy. Just that at the moment it is fairly clear that majority polygamy based societies seem to be pretty unstable, treat the plural members of that relationship more like chattel, child abuse seems to be a national pass time and fairly backward.

Perhaps someone needs to explain the fundamental difference between humans 'a social species' and say lizards. It is not competition within human society, it is competition of the species who by collective and social effort establish species competitiveness. In fact it is very likely that to promote psychotic, lizard like, competition within the human species would break down human society and thus leave humanity vulnerable to direct physical competition with the rest of the biosphere (a guaranteed physical loser).

In human society it is basically insane to think of the rest of human society as the competitor and as something to be preyed upon, exploited and competed with. This is regardless of the last thirty years mass media messages that psychopathy and narcissism are desirable states of a mass consumption humanity (selfishness and forcing ones ego upon others).

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230926)

Polygamy is for child molesters and anarchists. People like you have no place in the modern world. If you want to live like an animal, stay away from society.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (2)

guybrush3pwood (1579937) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229842)

It's something that we're totaly screwing up right now, by trying to treat all possible diseases and letting all crap DNA survive, weakening our chanses of survival

...

Devolution if you will...

Adolf, is that you?

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0, Flamebait)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229908)

Adolf, is that you?

Hitler was only doing what the 'intelligentsia' on the left had been recommending for decades beforehand. Many of them were in favor of murdering those who had 'crap DNA'.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230464)

Ah, the Republican credo: Tell no SMALL lies. Hitler and his "intelligentsia" were conservatives. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230696)

Ah, the Republican credo: Tell no SMALL lies.

No, that's the left. Hence your attempt to claim that Hitler was right-wing, and deny that the 'progressives' were firm believers in eugenics and the murder of 'undesirables' before Hitler's attempt to put that into practice made them embarrassed to talk about such things in public.

They still, of course, believe it in private; just look at the 'Greens' wank fantasies about eliminating billions of people so they can live 'naturally'.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230340)

watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ [imdb.com] and you might change you mind...

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230654)

You're so stupid that you asociate Jews with a type of DNA?

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

guybrush3pwood (1579937) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230914)

Are you so stupid you believe there are "types" of DNA?

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37231168)

Are you so stupid you believe there are "types" of DNA?

You should have read my sig, but because you're appearantly too stupid, I'll make an exception for you, below:
From the fscking dictionary:

type
a number of things or persons sharing a particular characteristic, or set of characteristics, that causes them to be regarded as a group, more or less precisely defined or designated; class; category: a criminal of the most vicious type.

Now, you may not know it, but DNA can carry various sequences of characteristics we call genes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene [wikipedia.org]

So yes, I actually believe is have the type of DNA that made me a type (race in biology) of homo sapien.

To further proof that this term is actually used without dictionary-whoring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling [wikipedia.org]
It appears that almost everyone has a different DNA type. Sorted by various gene, this can be grouped based on lenght, skin pigment, lenght, type of hair and shape of eye sockets and lip size. Total shocker, isn't it? I know...

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230970)

Adolf, is that you?

Ding-ding-ding! Godwin's law.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229858)

ummm.... the point of Evolution is to strengthen a genome against the environment.... It is completely relative. There is no objective better in Evolution, given that, modern norms and medicine are not hurting us given the environment we live in... in fact, they strengthen us.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230042)

Evolution has no point! It is a response to immediate environment, not a "step forward" on some "upward path." Someone would have had to lay out that upward path. What traits survive best in in one environment may be exactly what will do much more poorly in the next succeeding environment. That is what makes devolution is a meaningless term. There is no unwinding of the clock.

Unless, of course, you think there is one or more gods who nudge "life as we know it" onward and upward to some "higher plane."

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

pakar (813627) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230260)

eh??... watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ [imdb.com] ...

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230504)

You probably think Quest for Fire [imdb.com] is a documentary, too.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230640)

Evolution is logic; that which dies, dies. That which survives can replicate.

Today, we let everyone replicate. If we could, we would let seemingly uncontrollable child cancer genomes replicate if we had the cure for it.

Imagine that there is some kind of natural disaster and everyone had child cancer?! "Oops, sorry sir but the power to the child cancer pill factory is torn appart due to some flood".

Yeah...

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37231114)

we already have the technology to fix these characteristics in an inheritable manner, if you are prepared to use IVF, it is just that human eggs and early stage embryos are harder to work with than most and even if they were not they are just too risky for current use. Given even a single generation this will be fixable, and it will take several to be a real problem.

Re:The good old days of evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230132)

Don't forget going to great lengths to let infertile couples reproduce.

Mating with Neanderthals also provides... (1)

adosch (1397357) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229800)

1) Very good Saturday night entertainment. Not sure what I'd do without "Stupidest Criminals 3"...

2) Very good opportunities to take home a hot chick at the bar. Let all the idiots use the nauseating "Hey Babe, lets better our future children's immune systems.." pickup line and better your opportunities to take home that hot chick at the bar

Many affects on modern life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37229804)

"Sexual relations between ancient humans and their evolutionary cousins were critical for our modern immune systems"

It also lead to the creation of soccer hooligans and red necks.

Re:Many affects on modern life (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230812)

"Sexual relations between ancient humans and their evolutionary cousins were critical for our modern immune systems"

It also lead to the creation of soccer hooligans and red necks.

Look at the bright side, please: the soccer hooligans and red necks have better chances to survive viral infections. ;)

Mate Selection (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229808)

In high school and college, the women who slept with all the guys who _looked_ like Neanderthals were the ones most likely to have disease. I always thought they were slutty, but apparently it was some sort of inborn behaviour to improve our resistance as a race.

Re:Mate Selection (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230178)

In high school and college, the women who slept with all the guys who _looked_ like Neanderthals were the ones most likely to have disease.

In some cases though, it worked out.

I never understood why my wife ever willingly married me. Our beautiful daughter, who has a very robust immune system, appears to embody the explanation. That and my indisputable oily Guinea charm. Think Jersey Shore's "The Situation" with a PhD in literary theory.

Re:Mate Selection (2)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230494)

I never understood why my wife ever willingly married me. Our beautiful daughter, who has a very robust immune system, appears to embody the explanation. That and my indisputable oily Guinea charm.

Perhaps she found your "Guinea charm" to be cute? [homestead.com]

Either that or she was impressed by your life savings of £1.05? [wikipedia.org]

In the style of Ancient Aliens... (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229856)

Way back when, the aliens landed. they needed a work force, but the locals (neanderthals) were too stupid, and the alien's genetically made workforce, kept dying to diseases.

So they spliced/mated their work force with the neanderthals to make, well, us.

hmm, i wonder if i get a really bad hair do, i can get on an episode of Ancient Aliens...

no one can do that oen guys hair do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230246)

EVER its against the aliens rules

What is this nonsense? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37229896)

Most stupid paper ever. They cannot even find the skeletons, yet believe their DNA and ours matches enough to make offspring? I'm sorry, this is spurious at best. Retarded at worst, and a waste of taxpayer money if this ridiculous 'research' was not privately funded. Show me a proven 'neanderthal' that is legitimate. Give me its genetic code. Show me its evolution into our own DNA. Free up this 'scientific' paper so people with a clue can read it besides the PhD dickwads.

Re:What is this nonsense? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230060)

Yeah. Look at the health stats in the Muslim and Negro countries, where there is a lot of forced sex and sex with other species like sheep and whatnot. Are they enjoying the "better immunity" that all this sex is giving them? Haha, the stats say otherwise. But don't worry, in a moment they'll tell you it is easy to separate out the "genes" that come from Neanderthal men today, and I'll be called racist and whatnot. For stating the obvious.

So, what you're saying is... (3, Funny)

MindPrison (864299) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229904)

...that I should have sex with my neighbors?

Re:So, what you're saying is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230124)

NO! With your cousins (evolutionary). Where has reading comprehension gone these days???? You must be from the dirty side of the gene pool.

Re:So, what you're saying is... (1)

MindPrison (864299) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230326)

Ah, the pool-boy. I was wondering where you were this summer, no tip for you then.

human spirit beat by real sex religious trainings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37229922)

thou shalt not, blah blah blah, unless.... father may i insists? according to the hymenology council, we were supposed to shalt quite randomly as we were (grandly) designed to do, making more of us, & caring wholeheartedly for our perfectly blended creations. we needn't have done anything else of measure? where did it all fall apart? gargoyles? subscription toilets? what?

disarm. tell the truth. read the teepeeleaks etchings. monkeys treat each other better than we do. we treat monkeys better than we treat each other. monkeys never had hymens. why is that relevant? thanks.

So, it's cool if I hook up with my cousin now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37229928)

Woo! You all may have teased us for being inbred, for years, but I think you owe us a big thank you, now!

Re:So, it's cool if I hook up with my cousin now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230428)

Sure. You fellas go right ahead.

And squeal like a pig.

That is what sex is for... (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229950)

Apparently, one of the major upsides of sex(from a darwinian, rather than purely recreational, perspective) of the not-intuitively-all-that-sensible arrangement of having to seek out a conspecific, risk sexually transmitted infection, and mate simply in order to reproduce, is the rapid genetic diversification you can achieve by recombining genomes with others. Your asexual organisms have it much easier; but they have to depend on mutation(or, as with some bacteria, quasi-sex genetic exchange mechanisms).

The neat organisms, in my opinion, are the edge cases that can go either way. this piece [nih.gov] (sorry about the paywall...) examines snails that can either reproduce sexually or spawn clones asexually. As it turns out, in areas with higher parasite loads, the snails resort to sex at much higher rates in order to keep abreast of the parasite threat, while the less pressured snails go for the rapid and low-risk strategy of asexual cloning.

Re:That is what sex is for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230088)

Well, I for one welcome our future slimy overlords.

Re:That is what sex is for... (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230376)

Probably don't need to worry about our slimy overlords; but it would be interesting to know if this bit of immune-boosting quasi-bestiality helped make humans the pervasive species they are:

Compared to hunter-gatherers, residents of combination agricultural and town/city civilizations are horribly disease riddled. Animal husbandry means zoonotic diseases and parasites in horrific quantity, grain-based agriculture means truly hideous oral health, and urbanization means drinking and sleeping where you shit. It's only in places with 19th+ century sanitation and 20th+ century medicine that the advantages of wealth and technology in sedentary civilizations started to translate into disease levels less horrid than pre-agricultural ones(even then, things like the yearly flu shot because some new combination of porcine, avian, and human viruses has emerged is a classic animal-husbandry parasite issue).. One wonders if any other reasonably-smart hominids ever took a crack at farming; but had to give it up or die because their immune systems just couldn't hack it...

implications for show business in Tijuana? (1)

codeAlDente (1643257) | more than 3 years ago | (#37229954)

Did they mention anything about donkeys?

what about black people? (2)

alewar (784204) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230008)

some months ago there was a study proposing that black people do not have Neanderthal ancestry. do they have a different immune system?

Re:what about black people? (1)

angiasaa (758006) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230668)

We corrupted them. Duh! :-D Or at least I like the idea.

Re:what about black people? (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230804)

some months ago there was a study proposing that black people do not have Neanderthal ancestry. do they have a different immune system?

Yes. Click through to the BBC News article.

uhhh a tooth? (-1)

silentisland (2448218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230022)

Ridiculous. All DNA based on a tooth of something called a Denisovan. How ridiculous has government based research become? A dying breed of not even proven proto-humans providing immunity to us now, 50000 years in the future? Did that rampant wild sex help the Native Americans to European pestilence? Did it stop it when Cook took over the Polynesian islands? Spurious, and moreso, plain stupid 'research'. These people have us all fooled with their dumb degrees. How about you put your money into something like investigating cancer, or making AIDS a curable disease for those who need it - the poor? Yet we wile away our time researching cave men....and thinking human/caveman sex makes us stronger immunologically. ha.

Re:uhhh a tooth? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230158)

Your entire comment reeks of idiocy. You begin your tirade by implying that DNA is invalid because it happens to have been extracted from a tooth belonging to a subspecies to which we have assigned a name you feel is funny. You then begin a series of rhetorical questions that, in the order you ask them, express disdain for the government, a misunderstanding of what constitutes proof, lay out a false analogy between "rampant wild sex" within a population and interbreeding of moderately divergent populations in nature, and an implication that, because you lack the background and/or intelligence to understand how researchers arrived at their conclusions, the scientific community operates on authority instead of on evidence. Typically when I see that argument it's a form of projection, usually from a religious background. You finish your useless rant by completely ignoring that various avenues of research are being carried on concurrently, that evolutionary insights are absolutely central to HIV and AIDS research, and then throwing in an appeal to pity not really aimed at anyone in particular. The final syllable of your comment is "ha", by which you mean to imply that anyone who takes you seriously would consider your point established. Go back to conservapedia, creationist.

Re:uhhh a tooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230422)

Moderated you insightful and parent moronic, but wanted to express my frustration at not being able to do it several times.

Re:uhhh a tooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230528)

Those trolls are popping out like peanuts at fall in various boards and blogs. Likely some are even the same person..

Thats why some people fuck black girls (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230038)

Thats why some people fuck black girls. They think they will pass on some strong yard-monkey genes

Modern flu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230056)

So they are saying we are so vulnerable to new strains of flu because of lack of incest?
I can fix this.

Ugly (1)

RudyHartmann (1032120) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230090)

Okay. So having sex with ugly girls will cure my colds and I'll live longer? Maybe the big cave in the sky is better.

I can see them talking! (1)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230102)

I can has your sweet sweet genes?

African immune systems no worse than others! (0)

ad454 (325846) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230140)

This does not make sense. Neanderthal genes are not present in humans with a pure central to southern African lineage, which are present in non-Africans and Africans from the Mediterranean.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal [wikipedia.org]

And yet, those Africans without Neanderthal genes do not seem to have any weaknesses in their immune systems in dealing with viruses compared to others. True there are some illnesses that Africans suffer more than others, but there are also other illnesses that Europeans and Asians also suffer from more as well, so it seems to balance out.

Those Neanderthal genes in North American and South American native populations did not prevent more than 90% of them from being wiped out by smallpox, typhus, measles, influenza, bubonic plague, cholera, malaria, tuberculosis, mumps, yellow fever, and pertussis when the first Europeans arrived.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Depopulation_from_disease [wikipedia.org]

Re:African immune systems no worse than others! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230230)

Mod Parent up now!
A broad unscientific statement about how having a certain genetic makeup could be the reason why we might have greater natural immunity is on the same level as what Nazi scientists claimed about the ancestral history of Nordic peoples!
We are forgetting that our social changes, sanitation, medicine, availability of a nutritious constant diet, technologies that killed off the competition...guns, military etc has done more to increase our numbers than immunity could ever do. Lest we forget the killer diseases mutate and we and our medicine is in crisis fighting bugs right now...So all this scientific effort to understand how immunity is genetic and racially based is money and more importantly brain power abuse!

Re:African immune systems no worse than others! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230346)

Maybe it helped 10% of them to stay alive?

Re:African immune systems no worse than others! (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230458)

those Africans without Neanderthal genes do not seem to have any weaknesses in their immune systems in dealing with viruses compared to others. True there are some illnesses that Africans suffer more than others, but there are also other illnesses that Europeans and Asians also suffer from more as well, so it seems to balance out.

"seems", unqualified, is a very non-scientific statement though. It sounds like an interesting hypothesis to test.

tell that to all the people that died of (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230210)

plague, aids, flu, tuberculosis, pneumonia and any other deadly disease

Families Subject to Health Problems (3, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230250)

I've often wondered about some families I've known with continual health problems.

I have considered that maybe they did not inherit sufficient "protection" or DNA to give them resistance to certain viruses, fungi and bacteria or maybe more properly the ability to generate such resistance.

Given the article's credit to interbreeding amongst early groups and the variations in today's populations of ancient DNA traces, I am wondering more about my hypothesis.

We humans are very diverse indeed; it is more than skin deep.

Re:Families Subject to Health Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230546)

Asians and Caucasians are basically clones in comparison to sub Saharan Africans.

News for Nerds? (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230452)

Is it just me, or does /. has a real obsession getting to the bottom of Neanderthal Sex research? I search "Neanderthal sex" in the /. search and come up with 11 stories since 2005 (listed below). But when I search for conventional term "heterosexual marriage", all I find is a single story on "world of warcraft"... go figure.

Neanderthal Sex Boosted Immunity In Modern Humans 56

Neanderthal Genes Found In All Non-African Populations 406

New Ancient Human Identified 148

Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man 536

Were Neanderthals Devoured By Humans? 502

New Evidence Debunks "Stupid" Neanderthal 505

Neanderthals and Humans Diverged 660K Years Ago 128

Did Humans Get Their Big Brains From Neanderthals? 579

Deciphering the DNA Code of Neanderthal Man 188

Modern Humans, Neanderthals Shared Earth for 1,000 Years 765

Hominids: The Neanderthal Parallax 132

Re:News for Nerds? (1)

Empiric (675968) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230556)

Probably innate. Slashdot is largely pro-atheism, and subconsciously, if not consciously, the average subscriber knows they need to deal with the "human" versus "animal" differentiation issue at some point, as naturalism gives them no basis to create a distinction.

Naturally, failure to have a justification for differentiation has tremendous ethical implications, of which sexual behavior is one. A nagging pull toward an issue that would be unremarkable except for one's own psychological inconsistencies is a natural result.

For some of us, i.e. those of us of a rather Gnostic outlook, we may as well just sit back and... ahem... let nature take its course.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230998)

Are you saying that being atheistic means that one is psychologically inconsistent?

Re:News for Nerds? (1)

Empiric (675968) | more than 3 years ago | (#37231028)

Have you eaten a steak, and still maintain you have "rights"?

Why you, and not the cow?

Materially-verifiable differentiating attributes only, please.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37231210)

You mean the fact that their brain to body mas ratio is twenty times lower than ours, and we have proportionally much more cerebral cortex than them, so in terms of higher function are massively more skewed even still, does not count. You should also remember that a great deal of atheists steer clear of meat or any animal product obtained by killing the animal for just this reason. As a groping "atheist" is about as descriptive as monotheist (a group which includes certain forms of Satan worshipers as well as Christians by the way), you should look at the difference between and within Nihilists, Hedonists and Humanists for a comparable level of differing opinion.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37231106)

There's an ocean of sites pushing the rightwing protect heterosex agenda and you're whining because one web site doesn't shove that theme down our throats? No one is stopping the rightwing from pushing it's protect marriage/family values agenda but that doesn't mean that every single site has to give them equal time. We come to places like Slashdot to hear the other viewpoints.

FYI Neanderthals mixing with Homo Sapiens has nothing to do with marriage or religion. It likely happened 35,000 years before the Bible was written so it predates the whole marriage issue by tens of thousands of years. This has to do with genetics and how we ended up with Europeans with blond and red hair, blue eyes and white skin while none of these traits ever evolved in Africa. It wasn't mutation is was interbreeding. The mixing also helped us adapt to the cold, Scottish hairy legs being one adaptation:-), as well as local diseases that we hadn't been exposed to in the past. The hybrids, Europeans and Asians, wound up being hardier and better adapted than the indigenous population, Neanderthals and the hybrids wound up replacing both Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens in those areas. That's what the post was about not marriage between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens or any free love agenda.

Did they also save 15% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230522)

on car insurance?

Now You Know Why She Married You . . . (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230570)

. . . and then divorced you after having the kids.

Genetic Diversity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37230856)

Now now. if we all fuck our sisters for a generation, the genetic diversity will skyrocket thanks to mutations and the re-introduction of recessed genes. Sign me up, I've wanted in her pants for years.

Re:Genetic Diversity (1)

terlmann (1271484) | more than 3 years ago | (#37230908)

I would actually like to consider this too. When you examine our genetic history, and trace back to common eve/adam, you realize that at some point in a 10-40000 year cycle, the human race moves toward incest and then back toward cross-breeding. Hence the egyptains.

Selection (1)

RudyHartmann (1032120) | more than 3 years ago | (#37231142)

Women that preferred oral sex over genital sex were at a disadvantage in the gene pool. It doesn't matter what porn movies portray. Get real dudes. Ever wonder why it's really so hard to get her to do it? Its in the genes. :-)
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