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Deus Ex Eyeborg Documentary Shows Today's Cyborgs

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the mind-the-source-but-cool-images dept.

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jjp9999 writes "A documentary commissioned by Eidos Montreal explores the possibilities of cyborg technology found in Deus Ex: Human Revolution, comparing it to technology found today. The 12-minute film is narrated by filmmaker Rob 'Eyeborg' Spence, known for his glowing prosthetic eye that connects to an electronic receiver, and follows him around the world as he meets with leaders in biotechnology and with people who have bionic prosthetics — all the while comparing the technology to what's found in Deus Ex."

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HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (0)

kdawson (3715) (1344097) | about 3 years ago | (#37232708)

ok this is what happening, my parents are out with family friends, and theyll be back any minute so i need your help see, i volunteer on my sister's softball team (im 22 the girls are 15) and whatever, i met this girl, her name is Alison, and were going out for a while. We have a lot in common, and sometimes i help her with homework. i helped her with her english essay and she still got a D... this is because her teacher is a prick... anywayz so she came over like an hour ago, and i really want to lose my virginity, so i ask her to have sex "no no i cant, its not right" she said, but i told her "dont worry, i know what im doing, ill be done in like 10 seconds, plus ill give you 2 n64 games if you say yes." So then I gave her Diddy Kong Racing and Ken Griffy Jr. Baseball and we went up to my room. she is a bit confused and scared. then i think to myself- yo i need lube, right? cuz i heard other people saying you need to lube up her clit otherwise it wont fit in properly. ok so i have no lube, but i really want to lose my virginity, so i grab some butter from the fridge, but its cold and it wont melt, so i microwaved it for 8 minutes and i put it in a glass and poured it on her cooter, and now shes saying i burned it. i dont know what to do, my parents are going to be back any minute and shes crying in the bathroom plz help you guys are really smart please help me. any idea how to shut her up? should i give her another n64 game?

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232742)

Have you considered caving in her skull with a baseball bat?
That will totally shut her up and you'll get to keep your games.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37233124)

Yep and bonus point: you can have sex with her anytime you want after this.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (0)

Zencyde (850968) | about 3 years ago | (#37232812)

If I had mod points this would be sure to get a couple. Who hijacked kdawson's account? Pretty epic.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (0)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37232962)

What makes you think the account is hijacked?

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37233058)

Because it mentioned a girlfriend. That's my guess.

Not a hijack (1)

Gription (1006467) | about 3 years ago | (#37233478)

It is a misdirection...
The parent's user names isn't " kdawson ", it is " kdawson (3715) ". The number inside of parens is part of the name. the user number is 1344097.

Re:Not a hijack (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37233874)

I know, fucktard. It was a joke.
 
Woosh!!!
 
Why are Slashdotters such a bunch of dimwits. Go pat yourself on the back about being so smart, Gimption. Everyone can see the truth that you're nothing but a fucking retard.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (0)

Culture20 (968837) | about 3 years ago | (#37233154)

The account's not hijacked. The first (uid) is part of the username. The real uid is 1344097.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (0)

Zencyde (850968) | about 3 years ago | (#37233256)

Hurp durp. I feel dumb now, thanks.

Re:HELP I BURNED MY GIRLFRIENDS COOTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232830)

epic account hijack dude.

but honestly... couldnt you have done something with a little more style to show it off than some insane kiddy ramblings?

You could umm.. post stupid storys to slashdot! Oh wait... nevermind. carry on.

Old News (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232724)

Thursday, January 29, 2009

From EyeBorg's Blog, at that's just the latest timestamp. [blogspot.com]
For crying out loud, stop posting old crap.

Re:Old News (2)

Winckle (870180) | about 3 years ago | (#37232828)

His blog changed site, and this documentary only got put up 3 days ago. So quit whining.

Warning (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232764)

Right at the start, the video shows things that makes goatsx look pleasant.

NEW YORK CITY REPORT LIVE !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232788)

Sprinkles !! Sprinkles !! Sprinkles !! God Save Our Souls !!

Media reports will continue !! Stay tuned for more Sprinkle Reports all day today !!

I've been pondering this since DX1 (3, Interesting)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | about 3 years ago | (#37232844)

...the best conclusion I could come to is that I would be willing to augment, not replace. JC Denton had nanoaugs that enhanced his biological limbs,organs and tissues without replacing them, unlike Jensen who has permanently lost part of himself to machinery. I think enhancement is a far better approach than irreversible replacement.

That, and I couldn't come to grips with taking out my eyes. My mother gave them to me.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (2)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37232900)

One of the things I found interesting, and which I wish had been addressed in the game, is that Jensen's legs and one of his arms could have been saved, but Sarif decided to execute a clause in his contract and had them replaced. He also had Jensen loaded up with basically every implant and aug available, all without any kind of direct consent.

So if Jensen had woken up and decided he didn't want to be an aug, he'd have been left a blind paraplegic.

To me, this opens up interesting questions about living wills and the idea of operating on someone and changing their basic biology without their direct consent (a hidden clause in an employment contract doesn't seem adequate for the radical level of changes invovled, the man had a trademarked logo literally stamped on his forehead).

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232970)

Employers already have waaay too much power over their employees. Last thing we need is to give them control over our bodies too.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 3 years ago | (#37238856)

Most sane states allow for termination of employment by either employer or employee for any reason at any time. That doesnt seem like "too much control".

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about 3 years ago | (#37232992)

Without the life support functions of his augmentations, he wouldn't have woken up at all.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

slackbheep (1420367) | about 3 years ago | (#37233056)

If you poke around the Sarif industries offices you'll get a little background information. If I recall correctly it's in a conversation between Sarif and his lawyer where he mentions he's bringing Jensen in to deal with the issue at the typhoon plant, the lawyer objects saying he should still be on leave, and that the doctor only gave him a clean bill of health under pressure. Also mentioning that they'd gone over the line with Jensens augmentations, Sarif only responds by pointing out that Jensen isn't going to sue after having his life saved. I think it's pretty clear in game that Sarif crossed the line, prioritizing his own need for a super soldier over moral concerns or Jensens wishes .

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about 3 years ago | (#37233114)

Yes, I never said they didn't. But like iron man, he would not even be alive without part of it. Not just a blind paraplegic.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37235110)

Technically, jensens owes his life to Sarif, so he should not be complaining. Without Sarif, jensens would be dead, if he prefers that route, hey... he should hang himself, if not... then guess what, he should pay what's owed, and what's owed is his life.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37238508)

So if I save your life, you're my slave?

I think that's a pretty novel solution to this particular moral dilemma.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37238568)

So you say it's alright that you save my life, and instead of repaying you, I start whining about it, and try to kill you because when you saved my life you also gave me more of it, a more powerful body, and a quicker mind?

Next time I drop my books and you help me pick them up, I'll kick you in the nuts as a repayment, that sounds better to you right?

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37238542)

Yeah I saw some of that. The one thing is, I don't even think Sarif was so much looking for a super soldier (he could have hired Belltower if he wanted that, they can get them for you wholesale). I think for him he wanted to see how Jensen's unique biology would handle be loaded to the gills with augs. Ultimately, the entire plot centers around the questions raised by Jensen's ability to accept augs without needing to spend his life on drugs. I think Sarif wanted a poster boy for what he considered the next stage of human evolution more than he wanted a super warrior. :)

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37240130)

Ms. Withers tells Adam that he was genetically engineered by White Helix Labs, a subsidiary of VersaLife, to cure a childhood illness. She also mentioned that his parents were White Helix Labs employees, so perhaps he was a test tube baby much like J.C. Denton.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

khallow (566160) | about 3 years ago | (#37238482)

To me, this opens up interesting questions about living wills and the idea of operating on someone and changing their basic biology without their direct consent (a hidden clause in an employment contract doesn't seem adequate for the radical level of changes invovled, the man had a trademarked logo literally stamped on his forehead).

In the real world we have a term for this, slavery and it's already illegal in most of the world. There's nothing magical about the abuse you mention, it would just a new variation of an old crime and already illegal in the developed world.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37239958)

In the real world we have a term for this, slavery and it's already illegal in most of the world. There's nothing magical about the abuse you mention, it would just a new variation of an old crime and already illegal in the developed world.

I generally agree, but here's a question: what if the augs you have are company property, and on termination you're required to return all company assets? You're not a slave, you're welcome to terminate your employment at any time, but you better have a surgical team and a pile of spare parts standing by.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

khallow (566160) | about 3 years ago | (#37242712)

I generally agree, but here's a question: what if the augs you have are company property, and on termination you're required to return all company assets? You're not a slave, you're welcome to terminate your employment at any time, but you better have a surgical team and a pile of spare parts standing by.

While I doubt there's anything resembling law for the above situation, it's worth noting that we already have situations where if the business just fired you, you'd end up in an untenable situation, for example, if you're employed in a distant location like Antarctica over the winter. There the business typically is required to move you to a location where you have some minimal level of options.

I imagine the business in the above situation would be required to provide you with the surgical team and spare parts that met some minimum standard of usability. You won't be wowing the ladies with serious iron, but you will be able to walk away.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37251608)

I hope I end up living in a country with a strong labor protection system like that when all this comes to pass in a few decades :)

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (2)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 3 years ago | (#37232904)

...the best conclusion I could come to is that I would be willing to augment, not replace. JC Denton had nanoaugs that enhanced his biological limbs,organs and tissues without replacing them, unlike Jensen who has permanently lost part of himself to machinery. I think enhancement is a far better approach than irreversible replacement.

That, and I couldn't come to grips with taking out my eyes. My mother gave them to me.

It's not like Jenson had any say in the matter. He'd been critically injured, and needed a torso and arm replacement. Then his dickhead boss ordered his remaining limbs chopped off and replaced without getting his permission. (Hey, people in comas can't say no, right?)

Also: Spoiler alert.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (1)

nickersonm (1646933) | about 3 years ago | (#37236422)

Recent advances in artificial vision are almost enough to make me wish to have an ocular accident, so I can get an artificial retina.

Re:I've been pondering this since DX1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37238220)

...the best conclusion I could come to is that I would be willing to augment, not replace. JC Denton had nanoaugs that enhanced his biological limbs,organs and tissues without replacing them, unlike Jensen who has permanently lost part of himself to machinery. I think enhancement is a far better approach than irreversible replacement.

That, and I couldn't come to grips with taking out my eyes. My mother gave them to me.

The problem is whether you like it or not you'll have to comply eventually. Human eye is great and all but once we figure how to connect a machine to our brain its all over. You can have 20/20 vision but the other guy will have zoom, recording and HUD capability, at first it will be used only by people who had accidents or other problems but once those "cyborgs" will start getting better jobs than you (more precision/strength in his arm, better eyesight etc.) lots of healthy people will have to convert too. Simply because they'll be getting inferior really fast.

I'm a cyborg (4, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | about 3 years ago | (#37232930)

Lots of people my age and older are. The lens in my left eye is an artificial device. It sits on struts so is able to focus, unlike a natural lens anybody my age has (the eye's lens hardens around age 40, which is why geezers need reading glasses). Many folks I know have artificial hips, knees, and other joints.

I live in a science fiction world. You young folks can't imagine the scientific and technological marvels you'll see before you're my age.

Re:I'm a cyborg (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37232980)

You forgot the "Get off my lawn" part.

Re:I'm a cyborg (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37240746)

I'm really tired of this "human + glasses = cyborg" shit. Glasses are tools, just like binoculars. Just because you wear them most of the time doesn't change that. I mean, saying glasses makes you a cyborg makes as much sense as saying clothes make you a cyborg. Glasses are non-interactive and non-invasive. Wearing them does not make you a cyborg.

Cool (0)

cheaphomemadeacid (881971) | about 3 years ago | (#37233086)

nuff said

I'm a cyborg too... (1, Insightful)

SwedishChef (69313) | about 3 years ago | (#37233696)

I have two artificial lenses in my eyes as a result of cataracts ten years ago. My vision, throughout my life, was about 20/200 correctable to 20/20 with thick glasses. After my cataract surgery I had 20/20 vision, threw away my glasses, and changed my life.

Over 20 years ago I had an industrial accident that resulted in my left leg not functioning properly. Last year I had a knee replacement surgery that greatly improved function - not to mention looks (as long as you ignore the scar running right down the middle). Before the knee surgery I could not bend my knee enough to ride a bicycle. After the surgery I rode a bike to my first post-op examination with my orthopedic surgeon only 4 weeks after the operation.

Were it not for advances in medicine and surgical techniques I would be blind in both eyes and crippled right now. Last weekend my wife and I took mountain bikes and rode some trails in Idaho. I have no idea where this is leading, but I can tell you that my life is vastly improved because I'm a cyborg now.

Re:I'm a cyborg too... (0)

frankiejunior (1531679) | about 3 years ago | (#37235638)

Thanks for writing this. I'm an avid cyclist and have been for over 25 years, and I rarely realize how much I take my ability to do the simple things for granted. I'm really happy you've regained the mobility to enjoy life more. It's given me a "realize and shift" moment as well as enabled me to rethink my one-sided (and admittedly somewhat childish) visions of where these types of medical advancements might take us.

Deus Ex, Facebook, Deus Ex, Facebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37233886)

Really? There have been over 9000 articles about this shitty video game, and that shitty website.

Slashdot: News for consumers, stuff that doesn't matter

Hidden augmentations (1)

Raptoer (984438) | about 3 years ago | (#37234398)

One thing I didn't understand about the Deus Ex world was their inability to hide augmentations. A lot of prejudice could have been stopped if augmentations were more discreet.
Also most of the social problems could have been reduced if the anti-rejection drug, neroprozine wasn't sold at aubsurd prices.

Re:Hidden augmentations (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#37234680)

You're totally right about the first point. Artificial skin is pretty good now and would be indistinguishable in the future. Of course that wouldn't work very well for augs that change shape (i.e. the hidden miniguns). As for the second: I think it's part of the point that neroprozine is expensive. Large corporations basically milking people for cash, and they have no choice but to pay or become crippled.

Re:Hidden augmentations (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37234782)

One thing I didn't understand about the Deus Ex world was their inability to hide augmentations

Some of them did, if you read newspapers around the early part of the game, there is a pop singer who had limbs replaced after a bomb explosion which have an skin colored layer on top. Still, plastic and metal don't reflect light the same way skin does.

A lot of prejudice could have been stopped if augmentations were more discreet.

[SPOILER] Tai Yong Medical, the biggest manufacturer, is controlled by the Illuminati who don't want augmentation to be accepted as normal as it undermines their control. In more practical terms, the augmentation tech has been around for a while and is being refined, earlier iterations were basically robotic arms with hydraulic pistons.

Also most of the social problems could have been reduced if the anti-rejection drug, neroprozine wasn't sold at aubsurd prices.

Neuropozyne was made by Versalife which is owned by Page Industries, all of which you should remember from the first game. Bob Page is, of course, Illuminati (this is before he broke off to form Majestic-12), so pricing the drug high helps to drive a wedge in since only the rich can afford it. Basically it is leveraging augmentation tech as a tool for accelerating class warfare (as part of the plan to justify a later crackdown by FEMA and the forming of UNATCO and the One World Order).

Re:Hidden augmentations (1)

elsurexiste (1758620) | about 3 years ago | (#37238772)

Wow, your comment looks like a conspiracy theorist's cannabic dream. XD

Re:Hidden augmentations (1)

gknoy (899301) | about 3 years ago | (#37248580)

If you find conspiracy theories entertaining, Deus Ex and its prequel, DX: Human Revolution are awesome. If you've ever liked the X files, ID4, Blade Runner, almost anything by Neal Stephenson, or even the Shadowrun RPG, these games are a must-play. It's like sending a beer-lover on an expense-paid trip around the world to every brewery they might imagine.

In some ways, I like Human Revolution better than the original game (blasphemy, I'm sure, to some fans). In some ways, the protagonist us easier to empathize with, and his motivations are in some ways more personal. I like that it's easier (and rewarding!) to use nonlethal takedowns than in the first game, too, and I find myself NOT killing a large number of foes in the game.

Best money I've spent on a game in ... a long time.

Re:Hidden augmentations (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37235162)

Why should I hide who I am, what I stand for, and what I look like? Are you proposing that african americans should paint themselves white to avoid racism, instead of fighting that racism? I find your kind disgusting.

Re:Hidden augmentations (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37235660)

I can see many possible explanations that do not involve an inability to make the augmentations look human. Foremost, I think Eidos wanted to put the augmentations right in your face, so they made them look unlike normal limbs. There may have been many people in the game with augmentations you couldn't see, you just don't know about it because you couldn't see them. Your boss's philosophy is that augmentation is a fundamental improvement on mankind so he would want to flaunt rather than hide them. I saw the most machine-looking people in the China segments, and most of those were criminals who would want to show off their augmentations to be menacing or poorer people who couldn't afford the more expensive designs that may look more human. Augmentations are expensive so people might choose to flaunt them for the same reason that they flaunt an expensive car. Jensen and some other cyborgs were equipped with invisibility technology that may require a non-human-looking surface.

Re:Hidden augmentations (1)

ACS Solver (1068112) | about 3 years ago | (#37235986)

In the first Deus Ex, it was mentioned specifically that one of the reasons nano-augs are superior is that they're rather easily disguised and so do not lead to the same social rejection as mech augs. As for mech augs, well, it's hard to hide a pair of huge metallic arms with hydraulic joints.

Re:Hidden augmentations (1)

bigjb (725336) | about 3 years ago | (#37251098)

Aside from the reasons posted in other replies, dont forget that if this was real life human nature would play a significant role. Since the augmentations aren't initially cheap they are going to become a status symbol, and those who can afford them will want to show them off to discern themselves from the poor, this would also gurantee there was someone to buy the neroprozine at the absurd prices.

As the tech gets cheaper you are still going to get a buffer period where the price of the drug is hyper inflated until the drug company recognises they can maintain profits by reducing the cost and expanding the market. Then the aug market rockets again because the rich want to diferentiate themselves and start buying the "natural" looking and realistic but more expensive augments.

By some definitions, we are all cyborgs (2)

musicalmicah (1532521) | about 3 years ago | (#37234456)

We all use technology to replace bodily functions. For over twelve thousand years, we have been using cooking technology to replace the work our digestive systems previously had to do. We use clothing technology to replace the work our fur once did. We used art and writing, then the printing press, then the copy machine, and now computers to replace much of the work our brains once did.

Think about how you feel when you step into your car and turn on the ignition -- the car suddenly becomes part of you. If another car collides with yours, you say, "They hit me" and not "They hit my car." And now, with phones connecting to the Internet and identity becoming so important online, I certainly feel like I've lost a part of myself when someone else is playing with my phone, as if they tore out one of my limbs to do a puppet show.

I am a cyborg, but you wouldn't know it (1)

Phoenix666 (184391) | about 3 years ago | (#37238098)

I am young, but I have an implanted defibrillator. Looking at me, you wouldn't know it. So I wonder if that's a point of demarcation between what we consider a cyborg and what we don't. With a prosthetic arm you know you're augmented, and everyone else does too. They treat you differently, you see yourself differently. But it's conceivable you could be far more augmented than a person with a replacement arm and never think about that fact. Does that make you more or less human, more or less cyborg, if the social dimension of your augmentation is different?

Re:I am a cyborg, but you wouldn't know it (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | about 3 years ago | (#37239280)

yeah like those people who have no heartbeat. just a pump continuously moving blood through their body. i think they're more cyborg than a person with an artificial limb!

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