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Like a Redstone Cowboy

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the tinyurl-getrollin dept.

Programming 166

neonsignal writes "Machine creations in Minecraft are becoming increasingly complex as people build on each other's ideas. Some notable examples include a Rubik's cube simulator, a 5-channel music sequencer, a 3D color printer, a 16-bit processing unit, and Conway's Game of Life. My own recent contribution is the world's slowest Universal Turing Machine. I'm now waiting for someone to implement Tetris in Redstone logic."

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166 comments

"My own recent contribution: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239022)

First boast!

1st post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239028)

1st post!

Re:1st post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239072)

first but not the last fail.

What am I missing here... (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239052)

Disclaimer: I haven't ever played Minecraft, so I might not understand the fuss properly. Please feel free to educate :)

Haven't games within games been around for a heck of a long time? There are loads of mods that either emulate classics or offer a totally new unrelated game to players. Heck, I recall even playing texas hold em with guildies during raids through an ingame mod when I was playing Warcraft.

What is so special about minecraft that it makes so many stories? Is it just purely flexibility and users being imaginative, or is there a particular reason that /. loves it so? I recall a post a few months ago about a guy who recreated a good portion of a Star Trek ship in minecraft. Was it merely a slow news day then as well?

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

jimmydevice (699057) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239070)

just watch one of the videos, you will then understand. I's all mechanical 3d blocks.
mindfuck is easy.

Re:What am I missing here... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239490)

I's all simulated mechanical 3d blocks

There, fixed that for ya

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239686)

Was that really necessary?

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37240364)

Welcome to slashdot.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239084)

Not sure, I'd call it game, Minecraft is more like 3d paintbrush.

Re:What am I missing here... (4, Insightful)

3.1415926535 (243140) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239086)

Part of it is that it's hard to actually make anything using in-game redstone wiring, in the same way that it would be tricky but nerdily rewarding to make a 16-bit ALU using discrete transistors and wires on a breadboard. It also requires digging around in interesting and often surprising environments to actually *get* the redstone to make this stuff, so it's makes a good time sink for addictive personalities. It's pretty different from writing a mod for a game in some scripting language.

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239126)

The digging around for enough material part can be easily overcome with cheats.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Teancum (67324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239966)

Once you get down to a deep enough level and finally start getting redstone, it usually isn't (from my own experience) all that difficult to keep getting more. The trick is getting down to it in the first place and staying alive when you open a new underground chamber filled with critters or monster spawners if you are really challenged.

Yes, you can cheat too, in a huge variety of ways. There isn't even just one "cheat" as even that is customizable.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Tuuresairon (865732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239600)

in the same way that it would be tricky but nerdily rewarding to make a 16-bit ALU using discrete transistors and wires on a breadboard.

More like "make a 16-bit ALU using buggy discrete transistors and broken wires on a breadboard". Nerdily rewarding? I'd call it masochism.

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

Skowronek (795408) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239938)

I'm very much an addictive personality *and* an actual digital designer. My personal reaction to Minecraft's "redstone" crap was a resounding "meh", though.

In the same amount of effort and time that it takes to build a slow, useless piece of Minecraft logic, I can build something actually interesting in an FPGA by instantiating and placing LUTs (a marginally higher abstraction level than redstone), and have it run at 500 MHz.

After doing ASIC design, even FPGA design feels a bit like playing with Lego bricks after building real bridges (there's nothing wrong with Lego bricks, but they do not have the same mechanical qualities). But at least it's not plasticine, like Minecraft (again - nothing wrong with plasticine, but it really does limit what you can do).

People should be dissuaded from doing otherwise unremarkable things in the most painful way possible (16-bit CPU in Redstone - great, but you could achieve the same CPU in 100-200 lines of Verilog, and it would be quite fast). Those guys are probably quite bright, and could do much more impressive things if they didn't restrict themselves to plasticine. Start on the Lego :)

Re:What am I missing here... (5, Insightful)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240168)

I think that You are not getting it.

You are right on all accounts but ignore the reason why building minecraft machina in a sandbox is more fun than programing an FPGA: Minecraft still is a game, programing FPGA's on the other hand is at best a hobby (if not straight out work for some). So it is the gamelike qualities that encourage for this. The fact that you can have Friends pop into the server your sandbox lives in and help out (or destroy everything). It is the community that you belong to when doing this.

Don't look at this quantitatively, this is not a survival game in a free economy, this is doing things because you can.
And that is true nerd spirit!

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

Skowronek (795408) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240212)

Dunno, I really enjoy Minecraft otherwise (building, pretty landscapes, running around with friends), but redstone logic feels not only like work, but like the most unpleasant part of my work - what I'd call "the drudgery".

And not only it's like work, but it's also ultimately pointless. You are not exploring new frontiers, you are trying to recreate 1960s tech with wood sticks.

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37240394)

"Machina" is not some plural for machine. It's just latin for "machine." The plural is "machines."

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

smash (1351) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239088)

its the amoount of creative freedom you have. you can wire up pretty much anything in redstone, and the landscape is, for all intents and purposes, infinite (at least in terms of X and Y).

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239666)

To be totally truthful (fair?) to the casual reader, you cannot make infinitely large creations because mechanics (redstone, pistons, et al.) do not operate if you are too far away.

Re:What am I missing here... (3, Interesting)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239738)

Once again minecraft shows itself to be dwarf fortress' [mkv25.net] inferior cousin. This is not the only example.

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240230)

But with DF you are limited on the embark area... so you have to balance your options.

The interesting thing (to me) is that DF requires that you build your contraptions using actors (the dwarfs) instead of manually placing all the items yourself. So you have to balance a population of labor's needs with your final goal. You can, of course, cheat in both games. But I still wouldn't place DF on a throne of gold. Toady can only do so much and it feels like things are slowing down.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239096)

Well, in World of Warcraft you can create mods by going out of game and writing some Lua script. The thing with Minecraft is that's it happens in-game, simply as a result of the basic building blocks they provide, and without having to learn complicated scripting languages and APIs.

I think I am not really doing Minecraft justice with what I said above, but it's really nothing like just having a moddable game.

Re:What am I missing here... (1, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239236)

I like how you think building a giant in-game circuit for this stuff is simpler than just scripting behaviour.. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:What am I missing here... (3, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239678)

It depends on the person. Some people are more hands on. This is why we have hardware and software engineers.

Re:What am I missing here... (1, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239734)

This is why we have hardware and software engineers.

When you say things like that, you make it sound like we're actually supposed to complement each other, rather than sniping at each other in pointless holy wars, at least until some uppity liberal arts degree comes along to draw our combined ire.

Goddamned radicals are invading slashdot.

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239098)

I don't understand, why you waste your time posting instead of just firing up wikpedia and look it up for yourself?

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240432)

Sometimes we prefer to hear from someone directly about their experiences. That's partly why the internet has a lot of discussion forums and isn't just made up of one big wikipedia.

Re:What am I missing here... (3, Insightful)

Amiralul (1164423) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239106)

Ever played with LEGO? Ever built your own fort or tree house? Ever went on a beach and built up castles or simply dig holes? Minecraft if the digital version of all of these activities and more (adventure, exploration, unusual landscapes, 3D viewer for models impossible to see otherwise - Star Trek ships for instance).

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239110)

The main reason these are notable is these are not mods. There is no programming code involved. This is all done within the games mechanics. And those mechanics are limited to little more then wires and some simple logic gates.

Re:What am I missing here... (2, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239384)

One simple logic gate. The NOR gate. That's all you get - any other gate you want must be constructed from NORs. You can have up to five inputs, but getting that type of wireing density requires three-dimensional thinking.

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37240320)

Sulu! Z minus ten thousand meters!

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239116)

Playing a texas holdem addon in WoW isn't quite the same as building a 16-bit processor out of mincraft blocks and redstone circuitry, now is it?

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

varcher (156670) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239120)

Minecraft harkens back to the nostalgia of Lego (incidentally, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cl1OHhsao3A/TbkenaqJq1I/AAAAAAAADMo/lInbKf814Z8/lego-minecraft-1.jpg [blogspot.com] is a minecraft scene, in Lego. No less).

The combination of light gameplay (there's a grand total of 4 hostile - and horrendously stupid - critters that pop out of the dark to annoy you) and the liberty of placing blocks however you want them have proved a massive hook.

It took me about one hour. And while I'm not the most imaginative of architects, making some stuff on the fly after seeing one of the thousand of videos where aspiring architects (most of which cheat anyway) showcase their massive e-block... I do enjoy.

Regarding redstone circuitry, I think it hovers on the razor-thin edge between ease and complexity. It's simple (the base element is the universal NOR, meaning you can make any digital boolean circuitry), quirky (which is important if you make a game rather than a dumbed down electronic simulator), and that's what fuels the creativity. And, unlike other games, it's all there in basic form. While a few modders have added "what they felt was missing", in fact, there's relatively little missing. A few sensors, a few actuators, but the whole is enough.

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

dissy (172727) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239786)

where aspiring architects (most of which cheat anyway) showcase their massive e-block

I'd just like to add that, at least right now there is no true "game" aspect to this game.
It's a "game" app in the same category as Lego Digital Designer is a "game".

The two common modes of play are a) Survival, where you only get the resources you can mine yourself, and have to avoid the baddies and deal with the few game like pieces that won't be done until the final version.

And B) creative mode, where there are no bad guys, no RPG or adventure game aspect (Outside of exploring), and you get free access to all blocks to place as you will.
Creative mode is not called "cheating" and there are plenty of servers even configured to run this way.
In this mode Minecraft is a lot more like Lego Digital Designer, even if slightly less of a tool.

Just because one doesn't have to jump through hoops to get bricks in Lego Designer in order to place infinite bricks, one would not call this cheating since it is this way by design.

The only major difference between the two modes is that when someone accomplishes the same task in Survival mode, they just put a ton more work into it. (And that isn't to say that ton of work was trivial, I respect anyone with the skill to design something I could only do in creative mode while dealing with bad guys at night and exploding creepers)

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

psiden (1071350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239272)

Creativity thrives on limits. Its' not very impressive to build and ride a vehicle in 50 mph (~80 kmh) - except if it has to be powered by rubber bands only. In this case, redstone is the rubber band. Try it, its fun!

Blackjack in Leisure Suit Larry 1 (1)

justleavealonemmmkay (1207142) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239284)

n/t

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239288)

You talks about games implemented outside of a game that can be played inside. This is about (using your words) games implemented inside of the game, that can be played inside of the game. Or using my own words "hardware implemented inside the rules of a virtual universe".

Making a mod for a game in Lua or other is a nice thing. But implementing computers using the rules of phisic inside a game is a huge nerd achievement and really nerd-fun.

Re:What am I missing here... (3, Interesting)

RogerWilco (99615) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239364)

It's not about playing the game. it's about creating the contraption to do it. The focus is on the creative process.

So an analogy in WoW would not be the ability to play an ingame game, but to make it. Remember the chess game from Karazhan? Suppose WoW plugins could make things like that. Suppose plugins could make battleground like concepts, with new types of combat and siege. Or plugins could add dances to the game. Or new model mounts, engineering tools, etc.

Imagine that kind of freedom. There would be an amazing new WoW addon each month, that would end up as a Slashdot topic. Suppose someone made an addon that would allow parties and raids to meld into a combined form, like Voltron or Megazord. Suppose you had total freedom in how to defeat a raid boss: You could build a wall around it and drown it in lava, or build a cannon and shoot your plate wearing players at it (especially dwarves), fight it as a big human pyramid, so only a few people can move everyone around. Wow can't do that, because it would be totally unbalanced. It would be a lot of fun and give addon developer a whole new meaning.

That is what Minecraft does: It gives you basic building blocks (literally), and a lot of creative freedom to mould the world.

It means that the creativity is no longer limited to what the designer of the game could come up with, but the players can add their own creativity. The sky is the limit (literally, as it's only 128 blocks high).

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240144)

It means that the creativity is no longer limited to what the designer of the game could come up with, but the players can add their own creativity.

It's worth noting that Notch has explicitly stated that one of his development goals is to promote emergent gameplay and creativity. Minecraft is like LittleBigPLanet in this sense; user created content and creativity was the goal from the beginning.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239378)

The thing about Minecraft, is that these things are being created using the game's tools. Rather than someone developing a mod with code (like lua for WoW).

Redstone can be used to power items with "electricity", like a Minecart Booster Rail, among tons of other things. Some of them may require a mod to facilitate (the Better Than Wolves mod adds mechanical power to the game, for example).

-Red

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239484)

Creating new content is a feature of the game itself in Minecraft (in fact it's pretty much the point), whereas traditionally it's been something that a person with special skills can do outside the game. Or at least that's my understanding.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239486)

It's legos without running out of bricks.

Re:What am I missing here... (2)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240020)

but sometimes a monster will come out of the trees and wreck part of it.


just like a little brother does to your Legos

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239840)

Can I use Facebook inside it?

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239908)

It's the perfect sandbox game for autists and everyone here aspires to be one, so there.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239912)

Disclaimer: I haven't ever played Minecraft, so I might not understand the fuss properly. Please feel free to educate :)

Haven't games within games been around for a heck of a long time? There are loads of mods that either emulate classics or offer a totally new unrelated game to players. Heck, I recall even playing texas hold em with guildies during raids through an ingame mod when I was playing Warcraft.

What is so special about minecraft that it makes so many stories? Is it just purely flexibility and users being imaginative, or is there a particular reason that /. loves it so? I recall a post a few months ago about a guy who recreated a good portion of a Star Trek ship in minecraft. Was it merely a slow news day then as well?

What, google doesn't work for you?

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

drjones78 (961270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240090)

Minecraft is essentially digital Legos with zombies. People build crazy amazing things in minecraft for the very same reason you can find people building Lego car assembly plants out of Legos... really no good reason at all except for the "fun" of doing it. Not really my idea of great fun, but well... to each his own.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240316)

I too speak from a position of Minecraft ignorance (I 'think' I logged on once, long ago, when the first Minecraft story piqued my interest, that first hand experience left me mostly unpiqueable for Minecraft since then).

Anyway, I -believe- the fuss is mostly because Minecraft Classic is a "free" to play game in which creations are "free" for others to copy - so it's kind of a "best of" meld of Free Software, Legos, and Second Life.

Personally, it looks like a ginormous time-sink to me.

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It's a scary day when ginormous doesn't trigger the spell-checker.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240616)

Personally, it looks like a ginormous time-sink to me.

So is Slashdot, TV and porn.

Re:What am I missing here... (1)

Tuan121 (1715852) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240372)

Heck, I recall even playing texas hold em with guildies during raids through an ingame mod when I was playing Warcraft.

You will have to elaborate, but I'm assuming by "mod" you mean he linked you to something via an ingame web broswer? I'm somehow doubting WoW allows you to do anything more than that.

But anyway, the appeal of minecraft is that you are "physically" creating things in the game, even more amazing is you can do so with other people in realtime. You aren't writing (arguably boring) code and then adding it into the game*, you really get to feel like you are building things and discovering how to make something work. It really engages the player by having just simple tools at your disposal and you can go and try to build amazing and crazy things.

So does it deserve all the attention it gets? Absolutely. Go play it and you might be surprised how amazing it is.

*Granted you can have "mods" by coding as well, but that is mostly rewriting server logic/abilities, and not generally modifying anything about how the game works itself.

Re:What am I missing here... (0)

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Two words... (-1, Troll)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239054)

Asperger's Syndrome.

Re:Two words... (1)

neonsignal (890658) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239232)

I'll take that as a compliment :-)

Re:Two words... (2, Insightful)

spongman (182339) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239308)

what a sorry place we've come to as a species if every time someone has the drive, passion and concentration required to do something extraordinary like this they're labeled as having some kind of disorder.

Michelangelo? Asperger's definitely, right?

At least this guy's not some spaz that can't sit still for more than 10 seconds...

Re:Two words... (0, Redundant)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239372)

They very well may have Asperger's, the problem is in assuming that someone with Asperger's has a "disorder", and is not merely "different". Indeed, they are simply better at, guess what, envisioning a specific project and exhaustively accomplishing that goal.

Re:Two words... (0)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239436)

Asperger's (mild autism) is a disorder. I can "envision a specific project and exhaustively accomplish that goal" yet I do not have Asperger's.

It's like saying that someone agoraphobic is "merely different" because, by not finding it easy to leave the house, they are less likely to become distracted so are better able to "exhaustively accomplish" some mind project. While the confines of a disability might make it more likely for the disabled person not to become sidetracked, it is foolish to describe it as something neutral. Moreover it is harmful to the developing child on the autism spectrum - he has a real chance in his early years of being helped to overcome the disorder, but Internet autism heroes (suspiciously often self-diagnosed) want to deny that the problem even exists, reducing public understanding.

And when the public lack understanding for something, funding and research always dries up.

Re:Two words... (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239462)

While interesting, your reply does not address the "assumed" aspect.

Re:Two words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239604)

Hazel addresses the "assumed" aspect by implying that those people who claim their own Aspergers' is not a disorder but a benefit don't really have Asperger's at all. In the same way that it's possible just to have unusual focus without having a disorder, it's possible to be socially uncomfortable or awkward without having Asperger's, and Asperger's is one of the most common self-diagnoses out there. It's something people almost want to have.

Re:Two words... (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239500)

That all depends on what you see as harmful. Some people merely like doing different things than other people. So while you may see it as "harmful" and think they need "help," other people simply don't care.

Re:Two words... (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239664)

Being normal is boring anyway. The loonies are the interesting ones to hang around.

Re:Two words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239768)

That isn't the only part of Aspergers and you know it. Aspergers sufferers also have a hard time coping with others and generally interacting with people.

Just because you can sit and create something huge and complex doesn't mean you feel irritated being around people.
And even if you do, doesn't mean you are an aspie either, you could generally just hate, I dunno, meetings, or hate your fellow peers because you want to get that grant, or whatever other reasons.
Some people just genuinely hate large rooms of people. Still doesn't make them an aspie. They can interact with people fine.

Mind you, some people hold introversion as a disorder as well. Who made up these rules exactly?
It's not like introversion can lead to a species dying out. If it did, there'd be no introverts left.

Re:Two words... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239420)

what a sorry place we've come to as a species if every time someone has the drive, passion and concentration required to do something extraordinary like this they're labeled as having some kind of disorder.

Michelangelo? Asperger's definitely, right?

At least this guy's not some spaz that can't sit still for more than 10 seconds...

I don't know if I agree with you. While saying someone has aspergers is technically labeling them as having a disorder, the implications of said labeling will depend on the views we hold.

The drive, passion and concentration required, of which you speak, often comes bundled with difficulties coping with people. I think having a diagnosis may be helpful, providing an answer to a nagging feeling about not quite cutting it socially. And being allowed to be labelled an aspie can lead to getting state funded help coping (ymmw).

Even a snivel of Aspergers can be quite a pain, figuratively speaking, but in some ways it can be somewhat of a blessing as well as a curse, IMO.

I, for one, am grateful for all the meticulous work all these great aspies put in to give us Wikipedia, for instance.

"Normal" people, on the other hand - people with an IQ of around 100, that bond together chatting about their hair and workout and about the funny commercials they saw last night - what a bunch of idiots!

Nah, they're all right. They got some social skills. Sometimes I wish I was more like them. Other times I think I'm not so interested in shampoos and whatever it is that interests them.

Re:Two words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37240560)

Ok. Here aspie goes wondering how was their above comment off-topic for this thread of discussion. Maybe aspie was not clear. Stupid ADD. Now I would like to point out that "labeling" and "disorder" (pejorative-sounding as they appear to me in the context of the comment in question) may have not been what the commenter with the two words had in mind. Maybe they meant them in a loving way? That's how this one will choose to take it, anyways.

Re:Two words... (4, Insightful)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239434)

My thoughts exactly. When did a place who's slogan is "News for Nerds" become such the antithesis of that? Once upon a time (I've read for much longer than my UID indicates) we'd discuss things because they were interesting. We'd discuss just about anything that inspired the imagination. Now the big stories are world events, and the really interesting things (peoples doing things just because they're interesting and trying out new ideas) are shoved aside, or they get comments like "Two words... Asperger's Syndrome."

Re:Two words... (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240312)

This is usually above a little "drive, passion and concentration". These people are designing 3D Printers and CPU's inside a GAME using basic logic built in, that wasn't really planned for anything else than closing and opening doors.

You go build a 16-bit CPU, and see how you feel when everyone says "nothing special, move along". You WILL feel pride for your project, and you will be saddened when no one shares that pride.
And when those first videos popped up, the CPU being one of the earliest, there was no guide or any documentation n how to do it. They used regular information from the real world, and translated that to the game's built in logic.
So stop bing such a tool and appreciate what these people have done with their minds.

Re:Two words... (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240418)

what a sorry place we've come to as a species if every time someone has the drive, passion and concentration required to do something extraordinary like this they're labeled as having some kind of disorder.

Michelangelo? Asperger's definitely, right?

I reproduced the Mona Lisa on my graphing calculator, and also have a mental condition that causes nerd-like behavior. Where's MY fanfare?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. This is a slashvertisement, so lower that pedestal a notch or two.

as a species

Hang on, I'm wiping the tears from my eyes.

Re:Two words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239860)

I really hate how everytime somebody does something impressive someone shouts Asperger or autism at them.

And Minecraft only has two types of circuits: wire and NAND gate. If you need Asperger's to figure these out it means that every computer scientist has Asperger's, too.

Re:Two words... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240488)

NOR. Not NAND.

HIK-UP !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239080)

I've been walkin' these streets so long
Singin' the same old song drunker-ina-skunk
I know every crack whore in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway
Where hustle's the name of the game
And nice guys get washed away like the snow and the rain
There's been a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me

Like a rhinestone cowboy
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Like a rhinestone cowboy
Getting cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone

Well, I really don't mind the rain
And a smile can hide all the pain
But you're down when you're ridin' the train that's takin' the long way
And I dream of the things I'll do
With a subway token and a dollar tucked inside my shoe
There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon
But I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on me

Like a rhinestone cowboy
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo
Rhinestone cowboy
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know
And offers comin' over the phone

Like a rhinestone cowboy
Riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo

Rhinestone cowboy
Gettin' cards and letters from people I don't even know

Python Fiddle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239104)

Call us when it runs Python Fiddle.

Little big planet (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239132)

This looks kind of like Little Big Planet for the PS3

Pretty cool logic (1)

bradley13 (1118935) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239168)

My son got bit by the electronics bug over the summer. He then proceeded to implement logic gates in Minecraft, and used them to build binary adders and other circuits. Is that nerdy enough for /. or what?

More to the point, I am pretty impressed with Minecraft - that one can use it to create such things.

Re:Pretty cool logic (2)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239506)

My 13 yo daughter has been running her own minecraft server for quite a while now. She's registered a domain name and runs her own forum & website for the group she plays with. She's also coding the web pages by hand, using a text editor. (Computer programming is her fave topic at school.) Keep 'em off the streets, that's what I say.

Re:Pretty cool logic (0)

mentil (1748130) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239542)

My FBI Agent has been running her own honeypot for quite a while now. Keep 'em off the streets, that's what I say.

FTFY :)

Give me a break (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239186)

I mean who would want to know stuff like Mozilla's Community Lead Tyler Downer leaving due to crap QA processes [slashdot.org] or perhaps the fact Nokia's Developer Network was hacked revealing the personal details of thousands of developers [slashdot.org] when we can learn about the bloody wonders of Redstone in Minecraft, land of the unoptimised shitty coding and memory management. Stop putting up this crap or at least post (Since this is games.slashdot.org) some of the PAX [slashdot.org] 2011 [slashdot.org] stuff rather then another Minecraft article.

Perhaps you're on to something.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239246)

I think Slashdot's crowdsourcing-based article submission system either is starting to fail or never worked well in the first place.

If the /. community wants to eat shit, let them eat shit.

Badminton Racquet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239472)

This predecessor to the modern game of squash,Badminton Racquet [badmintononline.net] is played with 30? inch (775 mm) wooden racquets. While squash equipment has evolved in the intervening century, tennis racquets [badmintononline.net] have changed little.

Re:Give me a break (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239702)

Just FYI, we can post multiple stories on this site. You can scroll past ones you don't care to read about. I can't help but notice you've gone out of your way to come on here and Troll about it.

Did YOU submit either of the stories you linked to, or are you just on here pissing and moaning about not seeing them?

Minecraft patents (1)

dokc (1562391) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239240)

The next step will be patenting everything in Minecraft by using existing patents and adding "in the Minecraft" at the end.

a standout post (1)

codeAlDente (1643257) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239254)

sir timothy, thy headline stands out as a true beacon of nerdy-ness in a sea of news for nerds. gaze on proudly at thy screen, o noble warrior, and ponder whither thine own universe or ye olde nefarious existence might stand tall as the universe's slowest possible Turing machine.

Re:a standout post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239770)

"Slowest possible Turing machine" sounds like a challenge! Time to get out the water-flow logic gates...

Worst title ever. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239312)

I mean seriously do you actually listen to that crap? Good god man.

PUT D LIME IN D COCONUT AND SHAKE IT ALL UP !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239336)

I say, DOKTOR !! I say, DOKTOR !!

How come I got this in me skull and can get rids of it ??

Great Potential (2)

arisvega (1414195) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239476)

The least that it is, it is a natural evolution of IRC; one can interact with other people's avatars, but the digital environment is much more appealing.

Already in the game there is a stereoscopic mode; one can choose to set the display in red-blue 3D, and that is only one of the aspects that make this game so immersive.

Imagine when VR displays and even more immersive technology are commonplace, wouldn't you just appreciate it that such a piece of software exists, one that allows you to create your own virtual interactive on-line environment, and it is ridiculously cheap because its indy developer absolutely loves what he is doing? They (he and his team) went viral just from word of mouth, and made enough money to "exit gracefully" to some undisclosed island- yet they chose to hire more people and develop like crazy. And he was not put down by PayPal withholding his income, embarrassing him to his clients.

Not only that, but Persson (the creator of Minecraft) has stated that "Once sales start dying and a minimum time has passed, I will release the game source code as some kind of open source."

C'mon, what more do you want.

Re:Great Potential (0)

FTWinston (1332785) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239638)

The least that it is, it is a natural evolution of IRC

So it's IRC, but with worse chat, and added Creepers? Actually, there's probably a lot of things in life that can be made better simply by making them worse, and adding creepers.

C'mon, what more do you want.

Optimised netcode!

Re:Great Potential (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239806)

Ssssssssssssssssex.

Did the earth move for you darling?

Re:Great Potential (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239848)

The least that it is, it is a natural evolution of IRC; one can interact with other people's avatars, but the digital environment is much more appealing.

So, you're saying that we are experiencing the beginning of "the matrix", or whatever name you'd like to apply to "cyberspace", as described in books such as Neuromancer [wikipedia.org] and Snow Crash [wikipedia.org] , or game systems such as Shadowrun [wikipedia.org] or Cyberpunk [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Great Potential (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240500)

Didn't really work out. Second Life made an effort, but it just showed that for most online purposes you don't want to be aware of everyone else. It's really only good for chatting, gaming and flying penises.

man wtf (-1, Troll)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239478)

I got all excited seeing the title, thinking this was going to be something about space exploration and Redstone rockets or something of this nature. Turns out, it's about a freakin cellphone game.... what a gyp

Re:man wtf (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37239788)

Turns out, it's about a freakin cellphone game.

It is not available on any phones, nor has it ever been.

thinking this was going to be something about space exploration

Are you really fucking serious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinestone_Cowboy

"The song is about a cowboy who has no interest in leaving the big city. He is an aspiring Broadway performer who dreams of fame and success while walking down the dirty streets of New York City."

Yeah, that really says "space travel". (rolls eyes)

And that post currently stands at +2. No wonder I rarely stop by here any more.

Re:man wtf (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239868)

I got all excited seeing the title, thinking this was going to be something about space exploration and Redstone rockets or something of this nature. Turns out, it's about a freakin cellphone game.... what a gyp

Actually, it's a PC game. There isn't a cellphone client, yet.

Maybe a little research [wikipedia.org] before making an idiot of yourself would be worthwhile.

Heck, maybe you should play the game [minecraft.net] and see what the fuss is about. It's free to play classic, and I'll bet you your lunch money that you can waste an entire lunch break just playing around with it.

To see some of the incredible things some people have done, just hit youtube and search for minecraft. There's everything from single-digit calculators to full 8-bit computer implementations.

You are too easily dismissive of things that do not fit your mold.

Disclaimer: I don't play MineCraft, mostly because paying 20 euros for a beta does not fit my budgeting needs.

Re:man wtf (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240034)

Disclaimer: I don't play MineCraft, mostly because paying 20 euros for a beta does not fit my budgeting needs.

besides, it's attack of the clones, copies of MC are coming along gradually... paying is for early adopters, I'll play my old games for now :)

I want to see RNA Translation in redstone (3, Interesting)

mentil (1748130) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239550)

The animations I've seen make translation look neat, I bet it'd look neater with 3d blocks in a video game. Somehow.

Re:I want to see RNA Translation in redstone (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240570)

Hmm.... Not quite doable yet, but if there was just some way to sense the presence or absence of a block (without relying on water removing torches, which is one-shot) then I can see how you could at least make an RNA-like replicator. Insert 'strand', get copy.

Not to long... (1)

Deus.1.01 (946808) | more than 2 years ago | (#37239572)

Until players game battle it out in their own self designed battle cruisers....modders willing offcourse, we got Build Craft, Industrial Craft and the Zeppeling mod...just fine tune it and add some newton diagrams into the zeppelin mod and we're good to go.

shameless plug (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 2 years ago | (#37240118)

I've gotten sucked into the Minecraft vortex, and amongst my several major sculptures I've also gotten fairly handy with redstone wiring.

I produced a 50 meter bust of Hatsune Miku (modeled in Blender), and inside the head, a friend of mine collaborated and we made a fully operational "Dance Dance Revolution" game complete with 3 row scrolling step display, a reward/prize dispenser for good "dance" moves, and a programmable music system. Every block and circuit was harvested, traded, and placed legit... no World Edit used at all.

http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/digital-diva-hatsune-miku-exterior/ [planetminecraft.com]

On server.serenitymc.net, guests can log in and issue a "/warp diva" command to check it out, even without signing up for builders rights. Check it out.

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