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Microsoft Wants Your Feedback On Its New Python IDE

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the is-the-embrace-part-of-the-python? dept.

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First time accepted submitter phoolishcyrus writes "Dear Slashdot: would you kindly take a look at our little project, PTVS — Python Tools for Visual Studio? It helps you develop Python (using any interpreter, not just IronPython) and comes with a few other goodies. Spare no punches."

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shit product (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251756)

its shit

Re:shit product (1)

YayaY (837729) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251772)

It's great that Microsoft is starting to support Python!

Re:shit product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252306)

Microsoft has been supporting Python for a while. In fact, IronPython is about to celebrate its fifth birthday.

E.E.E.? (1)

hlavac (914630) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252442)

Ok, what's the catch? It's Microsoft right?

Re:shit product (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251842)

Wow! It took you three minutes to assess it.

Re:shit product (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252130)

And that includes a coffee break.

Re:shit product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251924)

What's wrong with Python?!

Would you kindly? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251762)

Nope, not falling for this again. I refuse to be your slave.

Oh come on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251828)

Didn't you ever watch the '80's teenage movies? Where the big bully gets his ass kicked by the new kid (bigger bully) that moved into town. And after getting his ass kicked, learns his lesson, befriends the geeks he picked on and they team up and beat the bigger bully?

MS is the big bully that has had it's ass kicked by the new bigger bully - Apple - and is trying to be nice....

See, at least when you develop under MS, you don't have to be enslaved by developer rules and annual services just to test software on your own goddamn device. AND you can sell your software anywhere you want.

Linux, anyone? (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252052)

MS ... is trying to be nice.

Maybe so, but only in a half-hearted, sullen, and mean-spirited way - which is admittedly an improvement for them. A cynic might surmise that they're just putting more effort into concealing their embedded evil.

If they were to start releasing some of their significant applications on Linux and/or BSD (as paid commercial packages, like some other vendors), then I'd agree that they're probably trying to be actually nice instead of just faking it.

Re:Linux, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252480)

Maybe so, but only in a half-hearted, sullen, and mean-spirited way - which is admittedly an improvement for them.

So it has to be all or nothing? Anything else is deemed to be "mean-spirited"? That seems a bit mean-spirited on your part. Why belittle the projects that they have made open source just because they don't do absolutely everything in an open source way.

If they were to start releasing some of their significant applications on Linux and/or BSD (as paid commercial packages, like some other vendors), then I'd agree that they're probably trying to be actually nice instead of just faking it.

Does this refer to Microsoft Office? That would not be commercially viable. Think about it. Of the 2% of users running Linux/BSD, how many of them absolutely hate Microsoft and would refuse to have anything to do with them (witness the people wanting to boycott Novell for doing a deal with Microsoft regarding Linux patents)? How many hate the idea of closed source apps on an open source OS (witness the complaints about Nvidia's binary drivers)? How many would balk at the idea of paying for an Office package on a free OS? The number of people willing to pay for a closed-source Microsoft applicatio would probably not even pay for the janitorial staff who clean the rooms of the developers.

Re:Oh come on! (1)

plover (150551) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252058)

MS is the big bully that has had it's ass kicked by the new bigger bully - Apple - and is trying to be nice....

"Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for 1995!"

IBM is the big bully that has had its ass kicked by the new bigger bully - MS - and is trying to be nice....

And the cycle of history repeats itself.

Re:Oh come on! (3)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252110)

The problem with these movies is that they end where the bigger bully leaves town. What they don't show is that the bully returns to his start-of-the-movie-ways.

Trying to be nice? (1)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252260)

Nope. They're offering a free plugin for their own commercial software. Basically, they're just trying to shift more units of Visual Studio. Not nice, not evil, just normal commercial behaviour.

Unless of course the Python code produced will only run on Windows. Can anyone confirm...?

Re:Oh come on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252286)

MS is the big bully that has had it's ass kicked by the new bigger bully - Apple

You should be a comedian.

Re:Would you kindly? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251992)

I don't suppose any of the juvenile asshats here care that it's "Free & Open Source (Apache 2.0)"?

Some days I'm so embarrassed to be a longtime /. reader.

Re:Would you kindly? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252078)

Visual Studio is free and open source now! Awesome! Wait this is just a plugin.... nevermind. Sometimes I'm so embarrassed that someone can be a longtime /. reader and still be such an idiot.

Re:Would you kindly? (1, Offtopic)

trum4n (982031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252132)

Bioshock changed me too.

Re:Would you kindly? (2)

Lose (1901896) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252212)

>Would you kindly?

Microsoft, would you kindly ask for our review without using mindtricks and making me question my true origin, as I did check out the plugin after reading that line?

Re:Would you kindly? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252292)

Yes, Microsoft. I will try your open source software, as soon as you port it to an open source OS.

It's gay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251764)

Thanks for listening, M$.

Re:It's gay (0)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251922)

Can software be homosexual?

Re:It's gay (0)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252000)

Only when you code it . badum tish :)

Re:It's gay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252144)

Wow, your last /. comment is from 2007!

Re:It's gay (0)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252146)

Of course [youtube.com] .... (4:43 mins in)

Re:It's gay (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251980)

If it were gay, it would be well designed, clean and would live in a great neighbourhood with good services. So it's definitely *not* gay...

The first E (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251776)

The first E of MS's EEE??

IT SUCKS !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251788)

And it rocks !! Both !! At the same time !! Because it's free !! As in beer !! And beer ROCKS !! Until the lease expires !! Then it's just pisswater !! Unless it's BUD !! Then it alway was pisswater !!

Re:IT SUCKS !! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252210)

And it rocks !! Both !! At the same time !! Because it's free !! As in beer !! And beer ROCKS !! Until the lease expires !! Then it's just pisswater !! Unless it's BUD !! Then it alway was pisswater !!

It's already expired? TFA:

It's a free & open source plug-in for Visual Studio 2010

Quick Start Guide
1. Uninstall any previous versions of "IronPython Tools" or PTVS (if any)
2. Install a Python distribution
3. Install Visual Studio 2010
4. ...

At point 4, they should have written "Profit" - last time I checked the Visual Studio 2010 (not the Express version) is NOT free.

Re:IT SUCKS !! (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252380)

So I guess the important question is will it run on express?

be aware (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251794)

It is an opensource plugin but only works with the Professional version so the free express edition does not work with this.
You can use netbeans or eclipse instead

Re:be aware (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251864)

you can use the free MS VS Shell though, which is visual studio 2010 without any languages. It says so in the installation instructions.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=8E5AA7B6-8436-43F0-B778-00C3BCA733D3&displaylang=en

Re:be aware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252092)

Or you can use a free as in both price and speech GPL protected environment that won't lock you in like Visual Studio. Using Visual Studio is dangerous since it promotes the use of non-free software.

Re:be aware (1)

WorBlux (1751716) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252232)

But on the other hand, if you're already locked in for whatever reason, I don't think its a bad thing to have access to such a versatile and portable language such as python.

Re:be aware (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252456)

But on the other hand, if you're already locked in for whatever reason, I don't think its a bad thing to have access to such a versatile and portable language such as python.

I'm sensing a false dichotomy in that statement somewhere.

Re:be aware (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252390)

...lock you in... dangerous ...

It produces plain-text ASCII source code files. How is that lock-in? Why not use the best IDE/compiler for your code development? It's a free download.

Re:be aware (0)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252424)

Visual Studio? Best IDE? Microsoft Compiler? Best compiler? ... Did I miss the irony tags somewhere? Okay, I agree, for C#/VB.NET those are the best...

Not entirely correct (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251880)

This was the same question I was asking when I read the headline. Can I run it for free?

Turns out that you can. While it doesn't support Visual Studio Express, it does run on Visual Studio Shell. http://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Installation%20-%20details&referringTitle=Home

I'll have to wait till I get some spare time to compare it against PyCharm which I use and love.

Re:be aware (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252528)

I don't think anyone is supporting Python in netbeans any more.

Why? (0, Flamebait)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251796)

Why does MS want feedback on their Python IDE? I doubt most Python developers are not open to a MS IDE and they probably don't want to use any heavy IDE. But thanks for the slashvertisement.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251850)

Microsoft's IDEs are very good. Python is a popular language. There are many developers (even here on Slashdot) who might already be using VS at work and might like to try developing their Python in the same IDE as their other code.

As someone who works for a company that does integration between Pyton and C/C++ (among other things), this might actually be quite useful.

I don't think this is going to supplant any of the existing free editors b/c of the cost of Visual Studio, but there is certainly enough of a market among windows and .NET developers to make it a good idea.

(Note that while VS is not FOSS, this project *is*, which means users can take and extend its functionality as needed. It's a nice perk, especially from an MS project.)

Re:Why? (1)

lynnae (2439544) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251990)

Add to that, developers develop an affinity for their main IDE.

I'm primarily on .net all day, every day, which makes switching to Eclipse a pita every time I go and play with different languages.
(netbeans less so because I used it for Java development in school)

I've been interested in Python for ages, but between all the other languages I've had to learn, and still need to learn, I haven't made the time for it. Being able to use it in VS will make it more likely it'll be one of the next languages I learn.

Re:Why? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252274)

Microsoft's IDEs are very good.

...

Note that while VS is not FOSS, this project *is*, which means users can take and extend its functionality as needed

WHOOSH! [bitbucket.org]

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251852)

Maybe there's people who already have Visual Studio for other work purposes and also do python stuff?

It seems unlikely they'd make it if there was nobody using python on Windows.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252468)

I just installed the tools last week and have really come to like them. I was already familiar with Visual Studio and was starting to get into python development more heavily. The tools really helped to shorten my feedback loop and instead of having to type help(...) or dir(...) all the time, I just use Intellisense.

Re:Why? (0, Troll)

trewornan (608722) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251910)

Really, can they seriously believe they're going to get useful feedback from Slashdot for an IDE that only works in Visual Studio? Take your crapware and shove it up your a**.

Re:Why? (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252080)

Umm, just because it costs money, and it is made by MS, doesn't make it crapware. Yeah, Visual studios is *huge*, particularly if you install everything. But then, so would be Eclipse if you had to combine a C and Java compiler with it, and all the other tools needed to give it the same features as Visual Studio, as well as a massive amount of documentation. What you don't want those extra tools in VS? Then don't install them, and have a smaller footprint.

Sheesh.

Simply put, it handles auto-complete and code folding better than Eclipse or NetBeans, and it is much easier to configure than Eclipse (much more concise layout, for text coloring, for example).

In terms of speed, all three are pretty slow if you want to compare them to Emacs, VI, etc., but only netbeans has struck me as noticeably faster than the other two, and then only barely.

Re:Why? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252276)

After I tried IntelliJ I'm done with open source IDE; there is simply no competing.

Re:Why? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252484)

Take your crapware...

You've not actually tried it, have you?

That's a bit like posting in a technical discussion without reading the article. It makes you look like an idiot.

Re:Why? (2)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251968)

After using IDLE, Emacs, and Elcipse (on install worked decent, a later install sucked), I'm certainly willing to try it. I like Python, it's just hard to find a decent auto-complete (which, given python, is very understandable - heck, you can trivially add/remove member from an object runtime.)

Stupid python tricks:
__builtins__.__dict__['fool'] = 1 #`print foo` produces 1
__builtins__.__dict__['some variable']=45 #`print some variable` obviously can't work, but it is still amusing

Re:Why? (1)

vbraga (228124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252206)

A really nice Python IDE is PyCharm. Give it a try. It feels a little bloated sometimes but it works better than most I've tried. I've went back to IDLE when I'm on Linux and Notepad++ when I'm on Windows. Overall, I think in Python I need way less autocomplete than when I'm working with C#.

Re:Why? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252344)

Python is such a concise language, I feel little need for anything like auto-complete or formatting other than auto indent. However, if you like that kind of stuff, pydev in eclipse is probably the answer. The interactive interpreter it comes with has auto-complete too so it's pretty nice.

Re:Why? (1)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252084)

Frequent python developer here. I like VS when I'm not using python or Linux (which I'll admit is not very often). Hey, it's would be a good IDE if it was written by Hitler himself.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252414)

Ah yes, well done for pre-empting reducto ad hitlerium

Re:Why? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252236)

I program Python, I like MS Visual Studio, I think this is awesome.

Why would Python programmers be averse to Windows?

Re:Why? (2)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252420)

Why would Python programmers be averse to Windows?

Some programmers are religious.

Re:Why? (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252470)

I think you mean "zealous"

Re:Why? (1)

cruachan (113813) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252350)

Well I've been implementing a WinForms project under Iron Python for a few months now, but because WinForms was not supported under the previous released of Python for VS I've been using SharpDevelop (which is actually pretty good, although debugging is a hassle). VS however is one of the nicest IDEs on the market and I'll certainly look at this.

IronPython is really nice, quick and a lot less hassle than C#.

It's a free & open source plug-in ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251802)

for Visual Studio 2010.

WTF good is a free & open source plugin for a proprietary & closed source IDE?

Re: It's a free & open source plug-in ... (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252450)

It lets the atheists write code more conveniently.

Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251814)

Way to make me fall of my chair in surprise /.!

Well since it's microsoft. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251830)

Even if it's half good now.

Eventually they'll fuck it up completely.

It's what they do.

That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251838)

Now how about adding Intellisense for managed C++ back into VS after you disabled it!

What the shell is this? (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251846)

"Note: PTVS does not install into VS Express Editions" [codeplex.com] . It needs some sort of Visual Studio Shell [microsoft.com] , which is separate from VS Express for some odd reason.

And has Microsoft added the necessary pieces to the version of the .NET Compact Framework for Xbox 360 Indie Games and Windows Phone 7 to allow DLR languages such as IronPython to work in applications for those platforms?

IronPython/DLR on XBox360 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251982)

Short answer: no

Long answer: IronPython relies on System.Reflection.Emit, which is not supported in the (greatly reduced) version of the .NET Compact Framework API that shipped with the 360. I would expect the next console to support it, though, as the DLR is a standard part of .NET 4.0 and later

IronPython and IronRuby should work on Windows Phone 7, which has the full .NET CF, but you might have to deploy a redistributable version of the DLR with your app (people evidently do this; it doesn't seem all that hard).

Didn't work (-1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251858)

Should I bug report this?

Metal:temp CODiNE$ sudo apt-get install pytools
Password:
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package pytools
Metal:temp CODiNE$ sudo apt-get install VisualStudio
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package VisualStudio
Metal:temp CODiNE$ sudo apt-get install Windows
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package Windows
Metal:temp CODiNE$

Re:Didn't work (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251884)

Do you think they are being cute and trying to imply with the name that "Python Tools for Visual Studio" will be available on a Linux system?

If you truly believe that, then your cute reply is probably appropriate.

Re:Didn't work (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252500)

Your sig is ironic juxtaposed with your post.

Re:Didn't work (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251916)

Technically, your distributor needs to provide packages for your distribution. Therefor reporting a lack of packages in your package-management-system will be redirected to your distributor, not Microsoft.

But you can complain about the fact that you "can't find the downloads for Windows and Visual Studio directly on the Microsoft website because it is too cluttered up, and therefor you had to download it from a third-party-website (and still no binaries for Linux/BSD/MacOS to be found)".

Re:Didn't work (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252012)

Oh, and that's a feature, not a bug.

Re:Didn't work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252026)

Hurr hurr this joke is teh funny! Next post the joke about creating a patents on patents! That one is even funnier!

Wow (1)

kawazuu (645700) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251874)

MS is fully supporting Python. I love it!

Java bashers, where are you? (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251878)

Where are the Java bashers when you really need them? Oh, they either use patent unencumered scripting languages or go the MS way, but not both at the same time.
Btw. does anyone use IronPyhton and F#, or they just look good in PR blurbs?

Re:Java bashers, where are you? (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252056)

Where are the Java bashers when you really need them?

They're involved in a flame war with the C# bashers at the moment, but don't worry, they'll be along shortly after hell freezes over....

Re:Java bashers, where are you? (1)

fuzzfuzz (881119) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252064)

...Btw. does anyone use IronPyhton and F#, or they just look good in PR blurbs?

Yes, though just for the fun of it and not in production code (I would like to but am not allowed)...

Re:Java bashers, where are you? (2)

Faraday's Sloth (720456) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252224)

Btw. does anyone use IronPyhton and F#, or they just look good in PR blurbs?

Seriously, F# is awesome. These course notes and code examples explain why in far more detail than I ever could. http://www.itu.dk/courses/BPRD/E2010/ [www.itu.dk] .

Is this even made by microsoft? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37251896)

I didn't find any mention of Microsoft anywhere in the website or the product name.

Re:Is this even made by microsoft? Ans: No (1)

fygment (444210) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252156)

From the Codeplex home page:

CodePlex is hosted by Microsoft. Microsoft does not control, review, revise, endorse or distribute the third party projects on this site. Microsoft is hosting the CodePlex site solely as a web storage site as a service to the developer community. For more information, read the CodePlex Terms of Use.

Ups and Downs (3, Informative)

robertkeizer (1596715) | more than 2 years ago | (#37251934)

I find it okay to work in. Coming from VI and the command line some of the features are nice, others not so much. One thing I noticed about the python plugin for VS is that when using PySide, you must run in interactive mode, rather than debug. A nice feature that I found lacking was for VS to automatically generate a list of classes and functions for a library that is imported. Obviously this tool is integrated fairly heavily into python at points as evident in the profiling section ( good work by the way ), so it would be handy to refresh classes/module listings when "import foo" or "from foo import bar" was detected in a save. All in all, not a bad development system.

Are you serious? (3, Insightful)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252010)

Whilst you continue extorting $5 per Android handset from HTC [thenextweb.com] your new touchy-feely lets-be-buddies act is worth less than piss froth. So no, I won't even be dignifying your request with a visit to your site out of curiosity.

Re:Are you serious? (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252160)

Yes, because at Microsoft, the same people are responsible for everything. It's actually a toolshed with two guys in it who handle all the coding, market research, legalese, and so on and so on.

Re:Are you serious? (-1, Troll)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252328)

That's right - one produces the turds for the other to polish. Sometimes they ask for help trying to shine them up, as in this case.

Re:Are you serious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252332)

If you don't approve of their values, don't work there. If you decide to work there anyway, you are a hypocrite and are just as bad. Practically anyone working at Microsoft is qualified to get a job elsewhere.

Re:Are you serious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252498)

No, they're not just two guys doing that. Those are the programmers. But the programmers don't make such decisions. Ever. Especially in a corporate environment as Microsoft. The decisions for this Python IDE is done by some marketing ass which is probably responsible for other similar crap.

What they're trying, desperately I might add, is to bring developers to Windows, to work on it's platform. Considering how many linux apps are made with python, it does seem like a good idea, but as usual the poor implementation, and crappy, yet typical Microsoft behaviour towards the non-paying community, it will fail. Hopefully sooner rather than later before it does too much damage. To the entire programming community, not just the open-source one.

Re:Are you serious? (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252546)

What they're trying, desperately I might add, is to bring developers to Windows, to work on it's platform.

Because Windows is just starving for developers

Java bashers, where are you? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252030)

Indeed, where is he? However experience nevertheless not worth it.
Yours sincerely- buy an essay [ordercustompaper.com] .

Audio Mixer Interface (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252090)

Great now windows 7 and 8 users can rig up a nice mixer interface to replace the default, that should go well with the classic menu mod and ribbon removers and the cost for ztree to replace filemanagers (Or the shell itself!) with teh ribbon going through it.

page stats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252154)

I wonder if the product devs benefit from today's page views, download stats, etc.?
Quantifying success via completely irrelevant metrics sounds like it would be right in MS's wheelhouse.

Doesn't work on my Mac or Linux boxes. (0, Troll)

jfbilodeau (931293) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252250)

Doesn't seem to work on my Mac or Linux box. Do you have a .deb or .rpm I could use?

Re:Doesn't work on my Mac or Linux boxes. (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252422)

And why would I use this over pydev [pydev.org] anyway? I mean if I'm going to go the full monty and fire up a full development environment just to hack on a python script, why not use one that is free, cross platform and supports probably the best python plugin in existence?

Re:Doesn't work on my Mac or Linux boxes. (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252448)

Because pydev is for Eclipse and Eclipse makes me want to blow my brains out?

Re:Doesn't work on my Mac or Linux boxes. (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252472)

Because pydev is for Eclipse and Eclipse makes me want to blow my brains out?

Oh great, just what we need. Another IDE zealot. Eclipse vs Visual Studio is the new Vi vs Emacs. The more things change...

Meanwhile in the real world, people will just carry on using the best tool for the job.

Re:Doesn't work on my Mac or Linux boxes. (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252514)

I'm not for anything else in particular. Love trying new things. Just against Eclipse.

This used to be a part of IronPython (1)

rann (533322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252272)

This used to be a part of IronPython and is now a separate project. They now support different interpreters like CPython instead of IronPython only. Together with AnkhSVN and Mono Tools this makes Visual Studio 2010 a pretty nice place to work in to be honest.

I think Microsoft is moving in the right direction with these kind of extensions. Please make more! (Preliminary Wish List: Bash/Ksh/Posix Shell script extension, Ruby extension, Dalvik/Android extension)

Ribbon Bar for Python (2)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252346)

Don't get too used to the UI. I hear the next version has a Ribbon Bar for Python, which puts 70% of the most-commonly used commands right where you need them. The other 30% of the commands are there too... somewhere.

I believe the phrase is (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252364)

"pull no punches" not "spare no punches"

I installed it a whle back... (2)

shic (309152) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252366)

I am **extremely** impressed. It's, by far, my favourite Python IDE (I'm using it in the free Visual Studio shell...)

One drawback is that it encourages editing python under Windows rather than on a Unix-like platform, but that's something I can live with when it delivers productivity.

I'm yet to use it for a real project - but I'm looking forwards to that experience.

I'd definitely encourage anyone to, at least, give it a try.

Microsoft Openness Strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37252382)

Guys, this is part of Microsoft Open Source (Openness) Strategy. (http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/)

Microsoft is trying to show himself as open source friendly, but had pin-pointed specific OSS projects that do not look like a big threat to the company.

The are not supporting any OSS software that endorse any of their big competitors like IBM or Oracle.
They are endorsing small players (and small companies) like PHP, Drupal, SugarCRM, on which an strategy of "Embrace, extend and extinguish", or a possible takeover will be possible to execute at the long term.

Also, MS had been hiring people from the FLOSS community to start showing the local communities that they are "good guys" with the open source. Now at the local OSS events we have Microsoft speakers and merchandising.

http://pastebin.com/HWSw4FVa

As Regebro said (1)

UncleNinja (2092936) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252516)

"Is windows only. Python is a cross-platform language. A non-cross-platform IDE for Python makes as much sense as having a solar-cell operated night-vision camera. FAIL."

If Microsoft really wants us to "spare no punches" (0)

Old Sparky (675061) | more than 2 years ago | (#37252556)

They should tell their paid shills, masquerading as slashdot moderators, to stop modding down all non Microsoft-Correct posts.

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