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New GNAA President paz is Elected (-1, Troll)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257094)

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But no preordres or email notification. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257108)

So first come first serve, should be "interesting".

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257160)

So one guy with a thousand fake names will get the entire run and sell them all off for $300-$400 a shot on eBay. Good, good, glad to see the system works.

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (2)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257484)

If HP couldn't sell themat 400 bucks a piece, why would ebay? Their attraction is their cheapness and expendability. Hard to gouge potential customers when they only want one on a whim.

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257486)

So one guy with a thousand fake names will get the entire run and sell them all off for $300-$400 a shot on eBay. Good, good, glad to see the system works.

Given that HP couldn't sell them at all until they dropped the price to $99... your scenario seems pretty unlikely.

I won't be surprised if someone tries to do it - but they're going to get stuck with a lot of inventory. The interest just isn't there.

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257770)

There could be people regretting not getting one at $99, and at $200, it is still a very cheap tablet in comparison to others, especially since you'll likely be able to put Android on it.

MK-cuckoo (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257802)

This is just a brilliant attempt to widely disseminate compromised hardware in order to subvert Anonymous.
you read it here first...

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257264)

Well, I put my name on HP's email list for when they got more in...hoping they give those of us on the list the first chance at the new ones....I could go for a $99 toy to futz around with....something fun to do on the weekend.

Re:But no preordres or email notification. (2)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257474)

HP has a new notice up on their website intimating that they received a huge number of sign-ups for that notice. I'm not sure the small number of Touchpads still in the pipeline will be enough to satisfy all of that interest. I'd keep a close eye on your email over the next few weeks and be ready to jump right on that.

Fingers crossed though. I too would really like to get my paws on one.

Maybe they should just make them (1, Insightful)

yog (19073) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257110)

If they're selling for around $200 on ebay, maybe HP should try to sell them for $250 or $300, whatever their break-even point is (not counting R&D), just to keep their name out there. It seems like Marketing 101: if there's demand for your product, keep making it.

Of course, I was against their pulling out of the PC and handheld markets. I was also against their buying Compaq to begin with. The more players out there, the more competition and innovation. With fewer players, we'll see a reduction in quality and an increase in prices. I think HP shouldn't walk away from an entire business like that. They should hire in some great engineers and great management and make a go of it, not just surrender and withdraw.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257176)

if there's demand for your product, keep making it.

I'm not sure that works if the reason for the demand is that you're selling it at a huge loss without any business model to recoup the loss.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

sumdumgai (92866) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257546)

Then why would you make another run at a loss after you were sold out?

Re:Maybe they should just make them (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257682)

Probably they have stockpiles of things like cases or screens or other components that they want to run down. If the cost of assembling the parts into tablets is less than the $99 they can get for them (which it almost certainly is) - then it may just be cheaper to assemble and sell them rather than scrapping all of those parts.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (4, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257752)

Then why would you make another run at a loss after you were sold out?

Couple of potential reasons that aren't completely stupid:
1: Stockpile of unassembled / partly assembled components that they couldn't find some other company to buy in the last couple of weeks. and
2: Expensive to exit contract(s) with one or more companies at some levels of the manufacturing layers (component suppliers, final assembly provider).

Re:Maybe they should just make them (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257768)

Then why would you make another run at a loss after you were sold out?

Contracts probably. If HP ordered one million Touchpads, and they received 900,000 so far, the manufacturer might not let them off the hook.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257186)

Odds are their break even point is much closer to $500 once you factor in support etc.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257258)

> $500 once you factor in support etc.

Support... do you really think that any electronic devices these days have "support"?

If it doesn't work, chuck it in the bin.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (3, Interesting)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257226)

There is demand because of the discount, not because of the value.

At an 80%+ discount and $100, its in the impulse buy range for a lot of people, no matter if it ends up being a useful device or not. Hell, I've got a drawer full of discounted crap in that price range.

I wouldn't assume a tablet at $250 or $300 would sell even remotely like $100... and if it was always $100, it also wouldn't have sold like that.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (2)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257406)

At an 80%+ discount and $100, its in the impulse buy range for a lot of people...

I hear ya....Hell, I've pissed away $100+ easily on a good night of drinking out and about town. I'd lay that down on a $99 tablet...especially with news that the cyanogen folks were working to get it to install on these units.

$99 is definitely impulse buy for many people....

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257926)

Maybe you are in the minority. I am broke and millions of others are too and would be sweating bullets if I blew $100 so carelessly.

Not everyone is a nerd. Even so I do wonder how reliable the cyanogen modded HP Pad would run Android? Sure you can get MacOSX to run a Dell 9 mini but it is not a reliable nor pleasant experience.

eBay & Amazon easily sold Touchpads at ~$250 (1)

TheEmperorOfSlashdot (1830272) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257780)

Even right now, after several days of decreasing demand and increasing supply, Amazon is currently selling the 16GB model for ~$240 and you'll be hard-pressed to get one off eBay for less than $200.

As a matter of fact I think it would actually benefit consumers if HP raised the price on the Touchpads somewhat. At $100 there's too much incentive for third-parties to buy all the available stock and resell at a higher price; this not only increases the price for consumers, but it also makes the devices more difficult and time-consuming to acquire, increases the length of time it takes for a consumer to actually acquire a device, and significantly increases the opportunity for fraud. In toto, middlemen and conmen benefit while consumers suffer.

If HP sold the tablets at closer to their true market price (say, $175), there would be significantly less reseller demand, consumers would be able to acquire the devices cheaper, faster and easier, and there would be fewer scumbags defrauding people with the offer of cheap TouchPads.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257254)

Marketing 101 maybe but Marketing 510 no.

Selling your product at a loss or break even isn't going to help. Because it will mark your brand name as the cheap product. At the low price there will be more buyers yes. However you cant make up a loss by selling in bulk.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257322)

Sell it at $300 and a tiny loss, continue to improve the software (for the love of god how much behind the scenes logging do you really need!?) and as soon as possible put out a hardware revision that drops you below $250 for the bill of materials plus assembly. Killing production is killing the entire platform and, having recently gotten my $99 touchpad, I'd say the platform (with a half dozen patches and tweaks) is actually very strong.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257428)

If they're selling it at a loss, where does the money, let alone the incentive, to 'continue to improve the software" come from?

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

phobos512 (766371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257542)

You're assuming there's a method by which they can reduce prices by changing a part to a cheaper version, by new technology that makes production cheaper, etc. I don't really think that's a possibility here.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

Hymer (856453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257424)

I was also against their buying Compaq to begin with.

That wasn't buying, that was a marriage.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

gte275e (91656) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257704)

That's the problem. With poor management, they think they have the greatest management in the world.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257890)

Yes, but you're reasons seem more consumer oriented ("reduction in quality and an increase in prices"). One thing Steve Jobs set out in Apple when he took it over is to only make things that turn a profit (that's why he cut a ton of lines).

The Japanese had a mentality of a "market share uber alles", and that was fine for taking over the American steel industry when they didn't care about the low margin rebar market or the subcompact cars in the 60s/70s. And it worked there as they worked themselves up the margin ladder.

Of course, it doesn't work so great when they go against other Japanese companies in their home market.

So, is there a roadmap that makes financial sense for HP, especially as their building a me too! product or should they invest their resources elsewhere?

Let em bleed (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257896)

The CEO of HP is an idiot. The more money he losses the more the board of directors will want to kick him out and replace him with a CEO actually aliagned with HPs assets and image rather than trying to turn a non service company into a SAP. They would probably have better luck hiring a Bryers CEO to make HP into an ice cream company

HP is not IBM by any sense of the means. Let em croak.

Re:Maybe they should just make them (1)

Fjandr (66656) | more than 2 years ago | (#37258042)

It would seem like Marketing 101, but it's not.

Case in point, Logitech's Trackman series of trackballs. They only sell a single cordless variety now, but the Marble FX+ and the successor now sell used for what they used to sell new for. The FX+ has been discontinued for nearly 10 years and they still sell for the new price when they come up on eBay. New ones sell for double what they did when they were still being manufactured, if you can actually find one still in the box.

Return of Dotcom accounting? (2)

kervin (64171) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257112)

Is this the return of Dotcom accounting?
Sell at a loss, make up in volume?

If I had to guess... (5, Informative)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257168)

If I had to guess, it's probably because they already have orders in with their suppliers that they can't cancel and contractual obligations to fulfill. The costs of making this final run are probably sunk costs, and they figured they might as well go ahead and make those last $99 sales before everything is shut down and done.

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (1)

doconnor (134648) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257270)

Maybe something like that. I got the feeling they are trying to expand the user base to increase the value of the WebOS division when they sell it off. I don't know how any increase in value would make up for the money they are losing on the hardware.

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257400)

No, this is a fire sale to kill off inventory rather than have it on the books and taking up valuable warehouse space/retailer shelf space. I assume it'll also show up on the balance sheets as a capital loss.

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257582)

Did you read summary? Hell, even the headline?

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257448)

Perhaps they can go the console gaming route: Sell at a loss to gain critical mass, sell development packages. Or, perhaps, create their own app store and skim profits from the sales of 3rd party software. Maybe these will be enough to make up total costs, maybe not (I'm no accountant), but it seems to work for others out there.

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257708)

They're probably sitting on component inventories that they want to use up. It must be cheaper to put them together then it would be to sell (or more likely scrap) the individual components out. Probably the vast majority of their manufacturing cost goes into materials so it's actually relatively cheap for them to finish assembling them.

Re:Return of Dotcom accounting? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257990)

The teardown estimate I saw suggested that a Touchpad has about $300 in components and $10 in assembly.

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx

This is the Prius model (1)

Khopesh (112447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37258012)

Is this the return of Dotcom accounting? Sell at a loss, make up in volume?

Almost. I think it's the model Toyota used to create a market for hybrids before the battery technology was affordable: sell at a loss to build a base of loyal supporters who can recognize a superior product. Though in some ways, this is the opposite; rather than heralding the future, this is more akin to exploring the past (which is to say, what could have been). I'd definitely call this a stunt; why else would they make another run at something they're selling at a loss anyway? Why was the HP Pre 3 debuted two weeks ago? They're not out yet.

I'd like to see webOS succeed. With MeeGo mostly dead, Openmoko fully dead, and LiMo completely forgotten, it would be nice for webOS to make another run at things. Otherwise, we're left with Android (Linux by kernel, not OS), iOS, and BlackBerry OS (Java), plus some minor players destined to fail (Windows Phone, Java ME). WebOS is our (current) last chance at a (mostly) open phone OS (look, a non-jailbreak third-party app store!).

Economics? (1)

Amtrak (2430376) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257148)

Really, they are surprised that people will buy things that are sold at a loss? This whole thing proves that tablets that don't have cult like fan boys are still not priced low enough to make people really want to get ride of there laptops. Though I can't imagine why they would want to make more of the things so they can lose more money, they must be some sort of a bigger plan behind this. Well that or HP really is committing corporate suicide. [yahoo.com] [Yahoo Finance]

"Surprised?" (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257154)

'I think it's safe to say we were pleasantly surprised by the response' to their massively discounted, sold-at-a-huge-loss tablet."

All I have to say is: really? Wow, and to think I was surprised the HP tablet failed... actually, I wasn't but oh well.

On the other hand, the fact that they are doing another manufacturing run indicates that the first was probably profitable even at the reduced price (why the hell else would you make more?), meaning HP probably made up in quantity for the lowered price. Also, maybe tablet makers should consider lowering their prices. Just, you know, a thought.

Re:"Surprised?" (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257194)

Yeah, this doesn't make sense. If they are not making profit on the $99 sales... why make more (the way it reads is that they are making more...) Liquidating parts? Tax write off?

Re:"Surprised?" (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257220)

Because they have parts they already paid for that would otherwise be destroyed or put into storage? Getting back 20 cents on the dollar is better then nothing.

Re:"Surprised?" (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257358)

Probably liquidating parts they already have in stock or may not already have in stock but are contractually obligated to buy (e.g. long-lead items they already ordered to support production.)

Re:"Surprised?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257608)

What they lose on each sale, they make up for in volume.
Just like Robert Hall Clothes in the 50s and 60s.

Sometimes it pays to invest (3, Interesting)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257156)

How much money did Microsoft burn trying to get the XBOX off the ground? Sometimes it pays to make a little investment in the future. If HP had sold these even at $150/$200 or maybe $200/$250, sure they would have lost money on each unit, but how long until it overtook iPad? Tablets are going to be selling for $100 in 5 years anyway, and HP could have sold a LOT of them at a loss to make it into the market. Once the established leader had been displaced, they could have made tons of money on licensing, app store purchases, etc. Maybe even eventually on hardware. I think they were looking for a home-run, and when they didn't get it, they just gave up all hope. Bad move on HP's part.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (1)

astrokid (779104) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257310)

Game consoles are a little different as companies are willing to take a loss on hardware due to making up a percentage on each game sold on the console.
I don't believe HP or any of these other tablet makes make enough from their App stores to keep them afloat.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257432)

No, this is why the iPod Touch is so inexpensive. The 8GB model is priced roughly at the break-even point for Apple, like Nintendo's Wii. They don't make anything on the hardware sale (especially after you factor in support, distribution and marketing costs) but they're making money hand over fist on their App Store.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257480)

No, this is why the iPod Touch is so inexpensive. The 8GB model is priced roughly at the break-even point for Apple, like Nintendo's Wii. They don't make anything on the hardware sale (especially after you factor in support, distribution and marketing costs) but they're making money hand over fist on their App Store.

[Citation Needed]
 
And, FWIW, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. The software stores are run at roughly break even.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257604)

err apple and google make BILLIONS on app stores.

No, they MAKE very little. (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257726)

err apple and google make BILLIONS on app stores.

No, they don't. There is a large amount of revenue but also a large amount of expenses. I think they total they MAKE is more like a hundred million - still quite a lot but not the billions that are spent in the app store.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257702)

Ah, fine. I'll look it up and reply to myself. See here [cnet.com] :

So while App Store sales are through the roof, Apple's certainly not making a killing from them. But that's never been the point, anyway. Like iTunes itself, the App Store's purpose is to drive hardware sales. It's a secondary business.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257362)

But did MS ever EOL the XBOX and cut it to the price of the packaging just to boost market share?

And then make more of them, even though the cost of the parts is 3X the price they're asking?

HP is one fucked-up company. The only way this makes sense is if this "one more run" is to avoid an inventory sale of parts they'd have to sell by the pound as they wouldn't fit anything else. They're going to have to charge the revenue against the writeoff.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (1)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257634)

Microsoft had already lost $4B on the XBox by 2005, and lost another $1B over the poor quality of the XBox 360 ('red ring of death' etc.) just in 2007. Checkout the Xbox 360 [wikipedia.org] wiki page. They may never recoup that investment. Suggesting HP should follow their example is not such a great idea.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257920)

But did Xbox ever turn a profit for MS yet?

Just breaking even for HP isn't good enough, when you figure warranty servicing and R&D going forward.

Just having market share in something doesn't mean much if it cannot be leveraged into profit.

Re:Sometimes it pays to invest (1)

sunfly (1248694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37258008)

"Once the established leader has been displaced"

Apple has already sold 29 million iPads, and analysts are predicting that will likely at least double through the end of the year. So if you take a conservative number like 50 million, and you lose $100 on each sale, you just sunk 5 billion before making any money. And that is a stationary target, and iPad sales are certainly not stationary.

No problem, HP has like 13 billion in cash. Oh wait, they just spent most of it buying a software company, perhaps even borrowing to pull it off.

Then how are you going to make money? Raise prices? That will go over like a lead brick.

Losing billions in an attempt to break into a market is simply terrible business strategy. Very very few company's have billions upon billions to blow like Balmer did getting into the xbox business.

A much smarter strategy is to build something new and exciting that customers are willing to buy at a price that makes a profit to start with.

Yes... I have an MBA =]~

Accepted on the first attempt... (0)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257172)

Accepted on the first attempt, lochnessie writes

Is prefixing a submission from a first-timer about the fact that it's a first-time submission really considered news-worthy? What benefit does it offer to the slashdot community as a whole?

Re:Accepted on the first attempt... (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257302)

It earns them a badge, like when I got my first +5 rating, and every other after.

Its like games, only on the interwebs of fluff news.

Re:Accepted on the first attempt... (2)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257788)

What benefit does it offer to the slashdot community as a whole?

learning about the community creates the community

Not bothered (1)

arnodf (1310501) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257284)

Even with the low price and selling at a loss I still wouldn't buy one. Tablet are IMO useless things. Much like cars: you only miss it once you have one.

OMG OMG OMGGGGG!!!! (0)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257356)

A limited run!

Vintage spectaculare!

I'll take one for $223,498,324,987.99!!!

It will be worth so much more in 50 years when it becomes a historical gem worth trillions! /snark

Re:OMG OMG OMGGGGG!!!! (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257820)

I see through your transparent attempt to trade for my CueCat. I'm not falling for it.

The only thing that makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257380)

I'm guessing they had a lot of components and half built machines left. They decided they'd make more money finishing and selling them than just dumping the components through a surplus dealer.

What's wrong with HP (2)

CuriousGeorge113 (47122) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257386)

So, HP is making another batch of Touchpads, after already announcing that they were being discontinued. The 'overwhelming demand' is based on the $99 'firesale' price, which leads us to assume they were being sold at a significant loss. A few possible conclusions:

1.) HP was marking up their hardware costs by an astronomical percentage. If they are putting more touchpads into production, and planning on selling them at or near the closeout price, that must mean they still see room for profit to be made (even if it is razor thin).

2.) HP is just flat-out stupid, and is planing on losing more money by selling Touchpads at a continued loss.

3.) The WebOS brand isn't dead after all, and this was all a giant marketing ploy to jump-start the WebOS community. This makes sense even if HP plans on selling off the brand. With a huge influx of users, its now instantly more valuable than it was last month.

I'm personally thinking its a combination of all three.

Re:What's wrong with HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257512)

4. HP had a ton of parts on hand and would like to make +20 cents on the dollar by selling them at firesale prices rather than -20 cents on the dollar by scrapping excess parts inventory and having to pay hazmat charges for disposal through a scrapyard

HP isnt completely stupid. just mostly.

Re:What's wrong with HP (3, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257540)

Or 4) They liquidated their assembled units but still had remaining parts not usable for anything else. To liquidate said parts, it's easier to sell assembled units at well below cost than to try and sell the parts piecemeal.

Re:What's wrong with HP (2)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257644)

4. HP already had orders with various suppliers to deliver X number of touchpad components, those orders have not been filled completely. The money is spent, they can sell the stuff to some surplus dealer by weight for pennies on the dollar, pay more to dispose of it, or assemble them and sell them as touchpads for dimes on the dollar + some good will.

I'd sure go with option 4 if I were management at HP

Non standard screen (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257388)

Nobody else has a 9.7 in screen, so they can't sell the surplus screens to some other tablet manufacturer, They probably thought of dumping them, but they are probably chemically hazardous so that would cost them money. (These days you can't get away with dumping PCB's (printed circuit boards) into a landfill...

Re:Non standard screen (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257544)

It's the exact same IPS screen as the iPad. Even Apples own site says 9.7"

https://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

Re:Non standard screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257552)

is this sarcasm?

Re:Non standard screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257932)

Apple has the same screens.

This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257398)

because everyone on here hates profits and evil capitalist companies so much selling at a loss must really get you excited? This is a business plan you all can believe in. So why are some of you complaining?

Marketing Ploy? (1)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257494)

I'm beginning to think this whole HP TouchPad sell-off is just a marketing ploy to get people to group-think and buy up every available unit as the price grows, due to demand, beyond the original value of the product, where people then get into an availability craze, and thus HP swamps the populous with an extreme number of TouchPads with users who want apps for their WebOS, and so HP expands their app store and makes billions.

Re:Marketing Ploy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257888)

Yes, and I'm sure HP's announcing their exit from the PC business and all the resulting "HP commits suicide" headlines in the Wall Street Journal, etc., with a huge drop in share price is all part of a brilliant brilliant plan.

If you want to be paranoid, then come up with something more original. How about this: Microsoft is underwriting HP's sell-at-a-loss manufacturing run to undercut the tablet market for Android and iPad while they ready their Windows 8 tablets for next year.

I can't wait (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257498)

I actually really wanted one, strictly for web browsing. I don't care if it won't have apps or support in the future, though the projects going around to put Android on them will certainly add value to something I only wanted to a browser anyway.

No one will buy last run unless they are cheap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257520)

300+ dollars for the device was way too much, thats why no one was buying them and they had to discontinue them. Once they hit 100 dollars though then people wanted them. I know I tried to find one because I just wanted a simple device for surfing the net, maybe watching a video and so on while I was playing games or watching tv or whatnot without the hassle of lugging around a laptop or going down to my computer desk.

HP will probablly not sell them at the discounted price and trying to sell by the hype and no one will buy one, then they will drop the price to dump them and again they will sell out and HP will probablly be confused as to why.

Re:No one will buy last run unless they are cheap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257576)

I have good reason to believe you are actually an idiot.

Hm... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257554)

If they're making more in order to keep selling them at the promotion price, then it sounds as though they're still making a profit at that price. Why would they stop?

(Unless this whole thing was just a marketing ploy to stimulate demand.)

Re:Hm... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257626)

I doubt they're making a decent profit on them. I think this has more to do with various stock parts they have to make them with and also good faith for those who wanted one but missed the sale.

To be honest I'm quite upset they no longer have the "notify me" link on the product page anymore. I was considering putting myself on said list but since this was merely to get rid of stock I "knew" they weren't going to have more. Now I'll have to be even more diligent because those who requested notifications are actually going to get them.

Next batch 2x price, 16GB only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257658)

I'd bet the next batch will be $200 16GB variant and only sold via hp.com.

HP's suicide (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37257672)

I watch in almost horror. The original HP might have seen this totally differently. They might have said, 'you know what, people actually love this - we just have to find a method of delivery on price'. The damn thing was aimed at business tablet users. Its been poorly aimed at the bleeding edge geeks, and and its missing the I pod and Android market because it ended up being a snooty, spotty, snobby product.

So it did not sell. And HP got the hump and picked up their ball and went home. Only in doing the sell off big hump, suddenly they found hundreds of thousands of people actually desperate for interesting tech done at the right price.

And at the same time its gone off on some mentally unstable lash against its bread and butter and has decided its going to do some whistful software thing. All its core hardware and good stuff is going to be dumped, sold off or whatever.

Whoever is on the HP board right now, and whoever is responsible for Apothoker and his demented drive into Oblivion needs firing.

Someone should get hold of it RIGHT now and make a proper commitment to WebOS, and to making the devices *at* cost, or below if you can get the app model in working shape. And the same rough commitment for the servers and PC divisions.

There is actually still time to reconsider the recent touchpad thing and be smart about it. If Hannspre can make a tablet for £150, then there must be something deeply wrong at HP if it can't scale its production to get it done.

Re:HP's suicide (1)

seven of five (578993) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257738)

Someone should get hold of it RIGHT now and make a proper commitment to WebOS, and to making the devices *at* cost, or below if you can get the app model in working shape.

If you can make a device below cost, I think you've got something.

prior art (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257964)

Someone should get hold of it RIGHT now and make a proper commitment to WebOS, and to making the devices *at* cost, or below if you can get the app model in working shape.

If you can make a device below cost, I think you've got something.

The underpants gnomes want HP to give their ???? back.

Re:HP's suicide (1)

tibit (1762298) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257998)

You missed AC's point. The deal is about breaking into the market. If you have cash to burn, why not waste a $0.1B or so just to get your foot into the market by selling below cost? While doing that, you can bootstrap the app and "fan" markets, and work on cost-optimized ver.2.

Is there a lesson here? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257874)

I've been under the layman's impression that electronics are priced on the low-volume for X profits side as opposed to the high-volume for X profits side of the curve. Does this indicate that maybe that isn't such a good economic model, or is this a fluke case were demand will quickly evaporate?

I also want one, don't know why (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257886)

At that price point, it's worth the risk to see if I can find good use cases for myself. Experimenting with this technology at $400 is a non-starter.

Preorder? (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257924)

Anyone got an idea how I can preorder one? I can't find them anywhere, but for $99 it would be great for my 3yr old to watch spongebob on and maybe play some games.

Waitaminute (1)

tibit (1762298) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257956)

So the supposedly sell them at a big loss, yet they decided to make more of them? Either they're crazy, or those things cost way less than $99 to make in volume, and since they don't have to support them at all, their overheads on those sales are negligible.

Perhaps HP has just found that there's big market for cheap, no-support, hackable computing devices? Sometimes opportunity may be staring you in the eyes and you can miss it!

Price point (3, Informative)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37257980)

I got my 32GB one today, at just £115 ($190) it was a steal.

If you want to see what sort of price the market has set, go onto eBay. The 16GB version is selling.. and I mean with real bidders.. at about £200 ($325), with the 32GB version coming in at around £230 ($370). So this is perhaps the sort of price point they should have been selling at.

How HP can revive the Touchpad (1)

nilbog (732352) | more than 2 years ago | (#37258040)

HP could keep Touchpads flying off shelves even at a more reasonable (to them) price point. All they need to do is take a note from Apple and include a bootcamp-like installable option for Android. Mac sales went through the roof when people realized they could always fall back to Windows if they didn't like OS X and at least they would have still have a rad computer. HP should use the same strategy to attract users to the Touchpad and get them using and hooked on WebOS.

That's why I didn't buy a touchpad at full price - WebOS is too much of a risk, as a consumer, due to its lack of developer support.

HP: You can thank me by sending me a free Touchpad 2. ;)

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