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NZ Illegal Downloading Crackdown Law In Effect

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the heat-is-on dept.

Crime 329

First time accepted submitter sfranklin writes "As of Sept 1 at midnight, 'anyone caught downloading copyrighted content illegally could face fines of up to $15,000 and have their internet cut off' in New Zealand. You don't even have to do the deed yourself. The 'account holder needs to know what's going on even if they themselves don't do anything online ...' Scary stuff, although I wonder how much actual enforcement is likely to happen."

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Not all bad (3, Insightful)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272652)

If I were a Kiwi (slang for New Zealander in case you didn't know), this law would give me an additional impetus to begin searching for free/open-source/creative commons software and media for all my computing and entertainment needs. Sure, I'd buy stuff occasionally as well, but if I had to buy every single thing I was using which was pirated I'd be broke and seriously in debt. Much better to hunt out legally free software and media.

Having said that, I'm an Aussie (the bigger brother of the Kiwis) and it's a hobby for me to do this anyway even though we don't have such a draconian law. I suppose some others in NZ might find ways to get around it, but I don't see the point of risking it myself.

Re:Not all bad (4, Interesting)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272708)

I'd invest a couple of bucks a month to rent a seedbox in Burkina Faso or Tonga.

Re:Not all bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272760)

I'm an Aussie and... we don't have such a draconian law.

Said so from the land of 3 strikes-your-out.. seriously besides France, I thought Australia was the worst place to be if you're a pirate

Re:Not all bad (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273118)

Said so from the land of 3 strikes-your-out.. seriously besides France, I thought Australia was the worst place to be if you're a pirate

Whatever you think are talking about, it isn't reality.

Re:Not all bad (1)

ivi (126837) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273072)

Aussie might not have laws like NZ's [yet], but sometimes they don't NEED such laws...

One person - from Overseas - was sharing his I'net feed with a house mate UNTIL he received a "We see you've been downloading someone else's IP." eMail from his ISP. So afraid that a prosecution (eg, for IP theft, or whatever the crime is in AU) would adversely affect an upcoming decision on Permanent Residence, that they STOPPED sharing their I'net feed.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW that the Overseas guy kept the router set to use only WAP security... Why, they never told us... :-/

Re:Not all bad (2)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273178)

The parent has a point.

If measures like this are really successful, they will reveal that the alleged losses that software makers suffer from due to piracy are completely imaginary. Nobody except well-running, larger companies can or will afford to buy the tons of commercial software available and certainly no school kid can afford to buy 10 games at 60 $ every month. The industry's expectations are ridiculous.

To give an example, when I used to be a very poor student that could barely afford to pay his electricity bill, I pirated all games, because there was simply no way I could have afforded them. Now I get a decent salary as a researcher and -- surprise! -- buy all games. (And no longer have the time to play them...)

So yes, one way to deal with it is to switch to open and free software for everything you do (and ignore commercial games, how mouth-watering they might look...most of them suck anyway) But there also needs to be a big initiative to get rid of all proprietary file formats or even just minor incompatibilities that force you to use proprietary software. That needs to be prohibited. For example, journal publishers must be prohibited by law to only accept Microsoft Word format.

Re:Not all bad (1)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273316)

In addition, this law reduces the maximum penalty for copyright infringement from $50,000 to $15,000.

If you are in the right, you can still challenge this in court. An IP address isn't proof, but it is very strong evidence that someone did something.

...and I'm from New Zealand btw.

Pretty Quiet (1)

drmofe (523606) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272654)

As a so-called IPAP, I have so far received a Grand Total of Zero infringement notices for my netblocks.

Re:Pretty Quiet (0)

foobsr (693224) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272918)

IPAP???

Identity Preserved Agricultural Product??? WTF?

CC.

Simple (4, Insightful)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272656)

It'll be enforced almost never, except against people who earn a personal grudge from someone in authority. Turn down that creepy ex-politician for a date? Get a knock on the door from the state sponsored copyright cops. Film a cop beating up a homeless guy and post the video on YouTube? Your NAS gets seized by her majesty's finest.

It's like criminalizing swearing. Since everyone except extreme outliers is guilty of the crime at some point or another, it's not possible to enforce it properly so the law becomes just something else to throw at people who piss off people with power.

Re:Simple (1)

EvilAlphonso (809413) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272736)

Or they could do it like they do in Germany... lawyers contact copyright owners and make a deal (percentage of the money recovered), then they connect to the various trackers to find content belonger to their customers. Once said content is found, they check if there are German IPs in the torrent. If they find German IPs, they go to the judge to get a court order to force the ISP to reveal the account information for that specific IP, with that specific router MAC address, in that specific timeframe. Finally, you receive a nice letter, with a copy of the court order and all the documentation that goes with it... you have one month to sign a form and pay a "small" fine (500 to 1000 euro), after which they are entitled to go after you for a far larger amount in a court of their choosing. Get caught a second time, the fine is multiplied by 10. Get caught a third time, you'll probably need to sell a few body parts to pay the fine.

Re:Simple (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272754)

It doesn't work like that at all.

The copyright owners must contact the ISP with proof of an offence (an IP address from a torrent would be enough), then the ISP passes on the warning.
If you get three notices, then you have to go to court and defend yourself by proving that you didn't download the material.

That is a terrible link in the summary, more detail about the law can be found here [legislation.govt.nz] .

stupid attorny generals (3, Insightful)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273206)

Why do people in real high power approve such shit laws?

Sure if we all received a nice 350k salary we would never ever pirate anything.

And stop using the term pirate, we arent raping people on boats.

Its civil copywrite violations.

Oh and btw every cop in NZ uses bit torrent to download movies for their kids, they sure dont get paid enough to buy games/movies.

I wanna see politians on 55k salary.

As a kiwi. . (4, Insightful)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272660)

I don't think that anyone actually wants us to use the internet.

We have always been penalised because of and by it. Expensive and slow by international standards. . . and now this finally passes (it has been on the books for some time)

I would write more, but I am likely to go over my data cap any minute.

Re:As a kiwi. . (3, Insightful)

miasmic (669645) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272808)

Yeah I'm already over my data cap, I've been waiting a week before I can start watching Youtube videos and download again, only a couple more days to go.

It really is appalling and a backwards attitude is seen from both Telecom providers and the government here. It results in usage of search engines, smart phone apps etc that's years behind countries like the US and UK, even taking into account population differences. I'm totally disappointed to hear that this passed. The country I feel in many areas takes too much notice of what is going on in the US in legislation and corporate policy and not enough of what is going on in Norway, Sweden and Findland, for example, which have more in common with NZ in many significant ways than the US does.

From a previous /. article about undersea cables, NZ is currently poorly serviced, but a more direct, much larger link is going in directly towards the US in a couple of years (as I remember from the map) which should hopefully improve things, with NZ having better connectivity than Australia in that direction rather than the other way round. But it's still little excuse for the current setup of things.

Re:As a kiwi. . (1)

piripiri (1476949) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272870)

Findland

I can't find this country on the map.

Re:As a kiwi. . (1)

miasmic (669645) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272936)

They should have called it Lostland then!

Re:As a kiwi. . (2)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272962)

Odd - especially given its name and all.

Re:As a kiwi. . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273038)

Slingshot has recently changed their plans to something along the lines of 250GB for $70 a month.
This is very reasonable to me, especially since most people are stuck with 40GB for $60 or something equivalent.

Re:As a kiwi. . (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273046)

we have data caps too (hello from india!), but the net doesn't stop working when you go over, it just gets awfully slow (256kbps).

As culture dies in New Zealand (3, Interesting)

kawabago (551139) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272668)

This should snuff out the last vestiges of culture in New Zealand. The RIAA's own recent study found downloaders are their best customers. If this law is effective in stopping downloaders, the New Zealand music industry should collapse completely. That will be funny!

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272686)

the New Zealand music industry

huh?

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (1)

moozey (2437812) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272722)

I'm as confused as you.

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272790)

There those two guys [wikipedia.org] ...

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (1)

boundary (1226600) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273130)

There is no culture in New Zealand. It's a place full of homages to the UK. And then there's the All Blacks.

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272768)

>huh?

The NZ Music Industry AKA "that flash bugger from Waikikamukau". HTH.

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (4, Interesting)

miasmic (669645) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272924)

NZ is the only English speaking country I've been to where the music scene isn't dominated by US or UK bands/artists. Local bands regularly make up a fair portion of the charts.

NZ's trademark sound is a Maori influenced 'pacific' flavour of reggae/dub (check out Fat Freddy's Drop), but drum & bass (and d&b influenced stuff like dubstep) is also much more popular in the mainstream than elsewhere. There's also quite a few decent homegrown alternative/rock groups, some of which have achieved international success. I have listed some of the most popular NZ originated bands/artists in the last 10 years.

Roots/Dub/Reggae

Fat Freddy's Drop
Katchafire
Salmonella Dub
The Black Seeds
Trinity Roots
International Observer

Rock/Punk/Metal etc

Stereogram
The Mint Chicks
Evermore
Minuit
The Datsuns
Head Like a Hole
Fur Patrol
8 Foot Sativa
Dawn of Azazel

Drum & Bass

Concord Dawn
The Upbeats
Shapeshifter

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (0)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272750)

Yeh, because everyone knows that illegally downloading things is also known is "culture".

To quote a popular slashdot saying... "your a moran" ;)

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272820)

The hardware industry took off because of piracy. I'm surprised, they're not getting sued. Think about it, a decade ago you didn't need a big hard-disk. Anything legal would have taken a small fraction of space. Music and movies on the other hand, even with TB sized drives you worry about space.

Then there are the internet providers. The legal content nowadays accounts for a lot of traffic, but it's nowhere near the traffic generated by piracy. If everyone gave up piracy, then until netflix and similar services, the cheapest subscription would have sufficed.

No strong ISP interest, means RIAA can push any laws they want, because they can push the ISP's as well.

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (1)

Rennt (582550) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272946)

Yeh, because everyone knows that illegally downloading things is also known is "culture".

Ahem. kawabago is talking about the downloading or purchasing of culture. Not the culture of downloading or purchasing.

Re:As culture dies in New Zealand (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273126)

The only culture you're allowed, is the one that you're told to like. Much like Canada, with Cancon. And if you're not paying for it, you can expect to have your net cut off.

So (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272678)

So if someone mysteriously downloaded copyrighted material at Microsoft's New Zealand's office they would get shut down?

What about SCOs?

Re:So (2)

Kylon99 (2430624) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272850)

I'd like to say yes, but as we all know, the people with lots of money and connection... it's legal. The people without money or connections... it's illegal. That's probably how it'll play out.

Sigh.

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272952)

Oh may, I would love to do that to every bloody company then. But it's a company, so no. You have to be a helpless person withouth lawyers and money to bribe to be sued, and that's the law.

Re:So (1)

mcl630 (1839996) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273222)

The last line of TFA says businesses and schools are also liable, but somehow I doubt big corporations would ever be charged with this.

When? (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272688)

Do they mean midnight at the start of 1 Sep or the one at the other end?

godzone?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272696)

If we didn’t have a parliament full of sycophantic politicians who were so enamoured with big business that were so willing to lube up our populace for American media interests (note: The shameless way they whored themselves out to appease “The Hobbit” money men) and demanded they go adjust their business model to fit reality this country would really be the best place in the world to live.

Chronicles of Ridiculous (3, Interesting)

digitaltraveller (167469) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272704)

1. All Content is Copyright by default.
2. How do you distinguish the legal from the illegal content?

Re:Chronicles of Ridiculous (2)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273004)

1. All Content is Copyright by default.
2. How do you distinguish the legal from the illegal content?

Exactly. In other countries they refer to the 'sharing' as the illegal part. Here in NZ it appears to be the 'downloading'. Does that mean if I watch 'RayWilliamJohnson' on youtube he can have my internet cut off?

How am I to know whether the person who posted the video has the rights to post it, or not?

If they're talking about 'sharing' then it's certainly not very clear in their education campaign.

Re:Chronicles of Ridiculous (3, Insightful)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273056)

Copyright is the new enclosure of the commons. The digital commons is being enclosed by corporate/government powers because it is a threat to the status quo.

At least they got patents right (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272706)

At least there are no software patents [itwire.com] there. So free software and creative commons thrive without the impetus that is the idea of people owning applied math on a computational device.

Re:At least they got patents right (1)

nzac (1822298) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273336)

That has yet to pass the final reading and they gave no good reason for the delay (I would think they are being lobbied by "people" from US). I would think it will eventually pass though.

The NZOSS did tell MS where to stick their OOXML patent though.

NZ is awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272710)

Who needs to pirate movies in NZ? Just go out back and run your LEGAL still, drink your awesome shine, and have a great time.

Hey New Zealand... (1)

IDarkISwordI (811835) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272712)

Just wanted to say, your welcome. -America

Re:Hey New Zealand... (1)

linatux (63153) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272992)

Thanks for writing the legislation for us, our politicians are too dumb to write their own!

Re:Hey New Zealand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273122)

Well, you picked the right people to help you; US politicians are awesome at writing legislation. :P

Bandwidth (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272720)

We get an average of 30 gigabytes download on most plans. How is our piracy doing anything? I live in a flat with 5 people on 30 gigabytes, we don't even pirate and burn through 35 gigabytes easily.

IIRC this law was pushed through with emergency laws to deal with an earthquake in one of our main cities (Christchurch). Even if I did agree with it, I'm against it in principle because of this. Politicians suck all over the world.

Guess we lead the world for wrong reasons... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272728)

I AM a kiwi, and to try and play it safer have uninstalled utorrent from all the PC's. Feels here like it's back to the '90s again, broken downloads, and I have no doubt we'll see erroneous notices regardless. However, I've noticed since then just how much use is derived from torrents (e.g. speeddemo archives, general large files) without even really having noticed it. Also hadn't realised how bad general HTTP downloads had got, and how many sites don't allow resume.

It's a funny law change - Youtube content, SSL VPN's, RapidShare are all exempt or not monitored (existing copyright legislation still applies). Also worth noting that we can't keep up with the content you folk watch over in the UK/States etc, because distributors haven't figured out how to charge us for it. Don't believe me - look for latest content that's on iTunes USA but not iTunes NZ... Maybe the industry will figure out that they're able to distribute on a global scale and allow audiences to share experiences/drive story plots (sci-fi seems to take quite a bit from Internet discussion and generate show content/plot) if all the audiences get to see it at the same time - not a year or two down the track...

So a reminder to all you other folk who have **AA type folk pushing for similar measures in your own territory. This is a great example of what happens when people who don't understand the technology (or general premise that the Internet exists to allow content to be copied over a variety of protocols) come up with legislation changes (even though copyright legislation still covers everything else as it always had)

Re:Guess we lead the world for wrong reasons... (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273254)

download from IRC bots, the riaa would never look there.

Illegal law in most countries (1)

terminal.dk (102718) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272732)

In most countries, a law like this would never be approved.
I think there is a higher law that says you can not be convicted for crime you have not done.
So if you are not downloading warez, they can not be penalized for that.

This is a law waiting for high court to throw it out.

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

Wolfling1 (1808594) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272862)

Yes and no. NZ is famous for eliminating political correctness. If you ever visit their hot mud springs, you will see signs that say things like 'If you cross this line, you will die in a pit of boiling mud'.

Having said that, there is impetus for laws that are based on the concept that 'you can be held accountable for the actions of others'. For example, speed cameras. If your car is recorded speeding through a camera, you are legally accountable. It is your responsibility to demonstrate that you were not behind the wheel at the time.

For many, this is a breach of some of the fundamental principles of law (innocent until proven guilty, etc) - but it allows for the crimes to be prosecuted easily - AND it has the added bonus of people becoming very responsible about who gets to drive their car.

Translate to broadband = "Be very careful about how you secure your broadband. You are accountable for it."

Now, whilst there are a large number of people out there who don't know how to secure their broadband, its actually not that hard, and they'll learn. I don't see their ignorance as a justifiable reason to throw out this kind of law.

The real problem I think is going to be mobile broadband - or free broadband hotspots. Companies that offer those services will be in big trouble when they find out what people are using their broadband for...

Re:Illegal law in most countries (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272940)

Except that it's practically impossible for someone to be driving your car without you knowing about it.

Unless they were driving it illegally, in which case you'd have a total defense.

Does an equivalent defense exist for internet usage? If so, then there's a simple solution:

Every day or so, submit a filing to the NZ Police, to the affect of:
"I have reason to believe, having just reviewed my logs, that at some point on [day], a person or persons without authorization to access my WiFi probably downloaded copyrighted material. Should you wish to investigate further, these logs will be kept available for an officer to collect in person, until my next review in about 24 hours' time."

Insist upon a report number every time (hint: they won't give you one. They'll give you an "information number" instead, which means "any person quoting this number is wasting our time").

Then, you'll always have a complete defense!

CAPTCHA: idealism

Re:Illegal law in most countries (2)

Chatterton (228704) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272984)

"Be very careful about how you secure your broadband. You are accountable for it."

I have an apparatus from my broadband provider letting me open a wifi network. The thing is SO broken that when I activate WEP or WPA i can't connect to it anymore. I have to have some kind of 'false' security by opening my wifi by mac addresses. I have NO way of securing my wifi network as it should be. I am not ignorant, I just can't secure my wifi network.

No, tell me what i should do if this kind of stupid law come into the country i live in?

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

Urkki (668283) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273084)

Four basic choices:
1. take your chances
2. stop using WiFi
3. move
4. start revolution

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

mcl630 (1839996) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273212)

5. Contact the provider that gave you to device and ask for one that actually works properly, explaining you don't want to run afoul of the law. 6. Disable the WiFi on the provider's device, and buy your own Wireless Access Point (or router).

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

mcl630 (1839996) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273214)

Damn formatting removing line breaks!

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273154)

Buy a properly-working equivalent device?

I understand and agree with your point, I just think your example needs some work.

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273262)

No, tell me what i should do if this kind of stupid law come into the country i live in?

Spend hours nagging your ISP to replace /fix theirs. Or buy a used wifi router for $10 and use that instead. Save a lot of time and hassle. I just did that (actually mine cost $6).

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273158)

No.

The big problem are trojans and viruses running that download stuff in the background and send it further along, using your IP address.

Otherwise known as Bots.

This NZ law is going to get a whole cartload of peeps waxed who are infected (and corporations, etc). Either that, or the "I had a bot installed on mah 'puter!" is going to be the common defence...

Re:Illegal law in most countries (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272942)

In most countries, a law like this would never be approved.
I think there is a higher law that says you can not be convicted for crime you have not done.
So if you are not downloading warez, they can not be penalized for that.

This is a law waiting for high court to throw it out.

You're an optimist. Copyright laws are above the constitution or whatever highest laws you previously had. There's so much corruption surrounding IP laws that they can get aways with almost anything.

For example in Germany, the account holder is simply declared an accomplice ("Mitstörer") to everything that happens on his account/connection. Of course that only applies to regular citizens. Corporations get the usual DMCA-ish "you just have to remove/stop infringing content in a somewhat speedy mannner".

interesting.... (1)

akihironihongo (2451182) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272752)

that is pretty scary. i doubt they can really enforce it on everyone every time. its sounds kind of like stealing candy from a gas station. if you dont get caught your lucky. but theres still a chance you will.

If this were the US (1)

subreality (157447) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272758)

how much actual enforcement is likely to happen

If this were the US, I'd expect it to be like the War on Drugs: Plenty of enforcement, very little justice.

Re:If this were the US (2)

Air-conditioned cowh (552882) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272908)

Any law that comes with an assurance that it "usually" won't be fully enforced does not belong in a civilised society. Again this is the same as with drug laws where, in the UK, you might be let off with a caution for possession but the law says you can be thrown in jail for up to seven years (for class-A substances such as MDMA).

Government VS People (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272762)

As always the same question is brought up and it cannot be answered without answering the most important question: are people more important or is it the government?

Stupid Law (1)

Adayse (1983650) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272774)

It's a stupid law - probably got NZ a gold star with the US state department and expected to save some international bandwidth making state owned Telecom more profitable. The result will be risk aversive homes, libraries and schools without internet.

Re:Stupid Law (1)

neoprint (949158) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273218)

Telecom isn't state owned :)

Re:Stupid Law (1)

Adayse (1983650) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273338)

You are right Telecom isn't state owned. Why did I think it was? That only leaves US influence.

Re:Stupid Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273322)

NZ Telecom isn't state owned - it was privatised more than 20 years ago!

The people profit (1)

samjam (256347) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272784)

If someone induces government ministers or departments to download your own personally created copyrighted content, you then each and collectively sue the government and it's departments to oblivion.

Some links to the actual bill (4, Informative)

matrixskp (629075) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272824)

http://www.copyright.com.au/Latest_News/New_Zealand_passes_Copyright_Amendment_Bill.aspx [copyright.com.au] http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2011/0011/latest/viewpdf.aspx [legislation.govt.nz] New Zealanders protested quite loudly against this bill - with the internet blackout campaign - http://creativefreedom.org.nz/blackout.html [creativefreedom.org.nz] - , unfortunately it was still passed. More proof that politicians are mostly a bunch of money grubbing ass bandits that will do what ever big business wants them to for a little time at the swill trough!

Here's a thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272826)

Don't do it. I realize life isn't possible for most without free unlimited entertainment but we made it the first hundred years of recorded film and music without major problems. The problems all showed up when some one said, "hey why should I pay for "1"s and "0"s? FYI, binary for the unwashed masses. There was never a major problem until people saw there were options for getting out of paying for entertainment. For all the moaning about film and music prices in adjusted dollars they are cheaper than they were in the 70s. Laser Disks which were larger and lower quality cost over twice as much as DVDs in adjusted dollars yet no one claimed they were being ripped off until the web gave them options for avoiding paying for content.

This has never been about copyright laws it's always been about changing morals. If you can get it for free then why shouldn't you? Everyone needs to get off their high horses and admit it isn't some sudden rush of greed on the part of content providers but a change in attitudes about people that want content. That's the ugly truth.

And yes I know this is an automatic troll comment but it doesn't change the fact it's also true. Remember Hardware Wars? The line "kiss three bucks goodbye" as in ticket prices? That was in the 70s when gasoline was less than $0.50 a gallon and you could rent a 2 bedroom house in LA with a pool for $450. Do the math and you'll see ticket prices have gone down and not up inspite of the average budget going from 3 million for a film to around 80 million. Entertainment is a bargain it's attitudes that have changed.

Re:Here's a thought (3, Insightful)

EnergyScholar (801915) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272972)

Hey, have other slashdotters noticed the increasing number of astroturf posters in the past year or two? I presume everyone reading this knows that one can hire consulting firms that maintain stables of fake online identities to 'contribute' to the 'discussion' on all sorts of threaded discussions. I think five years ago they were few enough to barely notice. In the past year I've spotted several probable astroturf trolls attempting to sway discussions. The **IA agents are especially obvious.

Re:Here's a thought (1)

Whuffo (1043790) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273282)

I've noticed it too. Maybe it's time to ban Anonymous Coward - or at least start his posts at -1?

My connection has improve dramatically (4, Interesting)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272828)

I haven't been able to hit 5Mbps for 3-4 years (it's not much, but I'm in rural New Zealand), and I've never been able to stream video in high quality, but tonight I'm totally able to. My ping is only 25ms, and I never thought it would be possible to have a ping so low. Now I can play games online!

I was against it, but, maybe it's not such a bad thing? What do you guys think?

Re:My connection has improve dramatically (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273080)

Nice to get what you pay for instead of subsidising someone else :)

Probably Selectively (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272846)

As all such bad laws are. If they prosecuted everyone for it, they'd face a voter revolt at the next elections. They just need to make a few high profile examples to put the fear of God into everyone else.

If you want to fuck with the system, all you guys down there could start generating your own damn content under the commons. At least until the *AAs come back and get the commons outlawed. One of the nice side effects of all that DRM is it makes it significantly harder for your average user to generate their own content. Don't think that fact isn't lost on the *AAs.

I Don't Suppose... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272856)

...any of the supporters of the bill have a wireless network at their house?

Re:I Don't Suppose... (1)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272874)

A friend of a friend suggested keeping an unsecured wireless access point powered up, but not connected to your network.

Re:I Don't Suppose... (1)

Mister Transistor (259842) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272956)

What on earth would be the point to that other than adding a few $$ to your electric bill and more pollution to the EM spectrum?

No big deal with their bandwith cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272896)

Who can afford downloading in NZ anyways? That place looks like the US 10 years ago, video rentals on every corner due to the lack of unlimited traffic plans.

NZFACT (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37272966)

I'm not surprised at this, especially considering that this law was likely pushed by the same people who've managed to give children all over New Zealand a rational, down to earth perspective [google.com] on piracy and information security.
 
I thought that people were more rational "over the ditch" (esp. given their sane stance on software patents), but it seems that politicians (and/or lobbyists) have triumphed over common sense and proved me wrong. Bravo!

Combined with... (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 3 years ago | (#37272990)

Some people in Los Angeles have buy some games for 20$. This is because Amazon give discounts. Is all ok, but on the other side of the pacific, people play for the same game maybe 80$. Media in that part of the world are more expensive for not real reason. And I am talking about a digital download. I suppose the media cartel there can use higher prices, since physical good can be really more expensive, if are produced elsewhere and imported. But theres not good reason to apply that to bits. You can have a server in NZ and it will cost you more, but not all that much. The media cartel is overcharging NZ and aus guys by some orders of magnitude.

Another country that get cheap games is UK. You pay less, because traditionally the englishmen gamers are very picky about price and quality, and wait until a price is "fair". So USA pay less for games, UK pay less for games, and australia/nz that are also a english speaking country... pay way more.

Is even more rich, because Australia and USA have some trade agreements. So if you try to do this to a USA citizen, he could use the weight of his govern to screw you.

Combine that with a Internet that mostly suck. Digital citizens on that part of the world have a real problem. Digital enteirnament is way too expensive, Internet is slow and expensive. And now the MAFIAA make so abusive laws are approved. Well.. It has to suck to live in that part of the world :(

I am a New Zealander and I make my music available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273012)

.. for free via p2p bittorrent.

http://www.oriontransfer.co.nz/music/

Penalising your potential customers seems backwards to me. It is like the anti-thesis of a successful business model.

Affects Sharing of Internet Connections... :-/ (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273042)

Wonderful... so, NZ's filmmakers will have a slightly better chance of selling into US & other markets, because NZ's gov't helps the larger countries' movie makers bring in every nickel from their films.

But this kind of law makes people feel "unnatural terror" about sharing their ISP connection, cause "you never if that elderly/pensioner/neighbor (who can't afford their own I'net connection, due to their food costs & energy expenses rising faster than their fixed/pension incomes) will download a book, movie or course" that'll get you fined & the (shared) Internet service cut.

Remember when the UK ISP - BT? - actually ENCOURAGED folks on their unlimited plans to share with neighbors? A great idea that might have created many local communities, neighborhood Internet circles or people helping each other, in natural & friendly ways.

Well, all that's "off" in NZ, now... UNLESS people are brave, & find bulletproof mechanism to protect their services from successful prosecutions (eg, buy & use old WiFi routers that ONLY provided WAP-level security... the kind that ANYONE can breech, eg, by brute-force password checking... ie, so they'd have a way to say: "I didn't d'load that, someone must have found my password & used my I'net service without my knowledge or consent. I only learned that this was possible after being button-holed for IP theft," etc.)

How about "saving" content? (1)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273058)

File sharing? Most of us don't even go there anymore. Everything can be taken straight off youtube in broad daylight:
http://en.crav-ing.com/ [crav-ing.com]

Another awkward moment for justice, for being able to do the same thing but legally... and for it being powered by google.

Moronic laws (1)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273088)

I have a website, but I didn't explicitly authorize NZ residents to view it. Does that make it illegal for NZ residents to download my copywritten material just by visiting the website? Politicians and lobbyists really do live on another planet.

Re:Moronic laws (1)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273296)

Copywritten? Past-tense of Copywrite...?

there's only one thing stopping them now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273120)

That's the $25 a pop for the copyright owner to send a notice. The industry wanted $2 per infringement so hopefully their planned litigation business model is no longer profitable.

Remember that policy drives behavior (1)

paper tape (724398) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273132)

If I lived in a country that had such a law, the first thing I would do is ensure my children never had internet access - since as their parent, I am financially liable for their behavior.

I would also turn off the wireless on any internet-connected devices and go hard-wired only.

There are certainly other measures one could take to protect oneself from inadvertently becoming a victim of this sort of law - but those are a couple of basic ones.

I wonder if the people who voted for the law will like the consequences of people trying to protect themselves from it.

Sucking IP through a straw (1)

boundary (1226600) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273138)

It's not like we have enough of a broadband infrastructure in New Zealand to actually download anything worthwhile in the first place.

You connection, your problem. (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273170)

I'm all for people being held respnosible for what their computers and connections do - then maybe people will finally start taking some responsability and be careful with online security instead of just bringing their machine to me when they get an infection that stops something working (and tell me when I point out that some of the malware has been on the machine for many months that "I know, but I never put my credit card details in or anything so it couldn't hurt me" - considering the fact they might infect other peoples's machines to be somebody else's problem), expecting me to fix it for them as a matter of urgency.

Well, it is obvious now, isn't it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273180)

account holder needs to know what's going on even if they themselves don't do anything online...

My my my, someone could quite easily pirate some harmless content under the wi-fi of someone who made this law.
What a storm that would cause in the little land of New Zealand.
Not suggesting anyone do this, but someone *could*.

Wireless security packages took a huge hit recently, what with WPA I believe being cracked. (or at least optimized brute forcing considerably)
How many people even know what that is, versus how many people have hardware new enough to WPA2, is going to result in a huge mess.

Re:Well, it is obvious now, isn't it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273258)

This is clearly the way to deal with it. However, I suspect that the reality is that the filthy politicians that make these laws will be able to wangle out of it. I think it was New Zealand where one of the women responsible for this law tweeted to the effect that she had stolen some music (Her boyfriend make a compilation for her). I'm willing to bet she did not get prosecuted for it. Corruption is after all behind all this.

Re:Well, it is obvious now, isn't it? (1)

badran (973386) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273286)

My old Dlink 2640 from 2007 had WPA2.

goodluckwiththat (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273226)

The 'account holder needs to know what's going on even if they themselves don't do anything online...'

So if a lowly government employee downloads a copyrighted MP3 on the government network, the government falls?

Re:goodluckwiththat (1)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273268)

Of course not. The lowly government employee is punished, but nothing else with happen. If a high-ranking government official is involved, an "amicable arrangement" will be negotiated. Don't ever believe the law is equal for all, it is not.

Its only for torrents!! (3, Informative)

nzac (1822298) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273280)

The law only applies for using p2p at the the application layer. I would think about 3 out of our 120 politicians have a basic understanding of torrents/internet.

There are so may obvious ways around this but they either cost or are less convenient. http://bayfiles.com/ [bayfiles.com] is just in time.

It also makes it so you are very unlikely (a little less than before) to be prosecuted under our general copy-write law. I would say the stupidity of discrimination against protocols makes will make piracy easier.

This law was rushed through under urgency... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37273284)

late at night mixed in with stuff necessary for dealing with the catastrophic Christchurch earthquakes. Ridiculous.

The end result of this law (1)

neurosine (549673) | more than 3 years ago | (#37273302)

What this does is gives big media authority over the police, to use public resources for their private purposes. It also allows them to say "We've got you....Pay up, or else." This is a huge misappropriation of funds, as you can imagine, in most cases.
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