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Lawsuit Claims Windows Phone 7 Spies On Users

samzenpus posted about 3 years ago | from the stop-looking-at-me dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "Microsoft wants to emulate the success of the iPhone, but they probably didn't want to follow in Apple's footsteps this way: a class action lawsuit claims that Windows Phone 7 is collecting location data on users, even when they request that it stop. But a look at the internals shows that Microsoft might not be acting as Big Brother-ish as it appears."

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Really? (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 years ago | (#37281416)

Both of them?

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281844)

Both of them?

So clever, I am surprised no one's made that joke before.

Re:Really? (2, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 years ago | (#37281884)

Can you spot the bitter Windows Phone developer? Look carefully. They may look like an Android or iPhone developer, but if you approach them slowly and flip them over quickly you can identify them by their long umbilical cord stretching back to MSDN colony mother.

Re:Really? (4, Interesting)

causality (777677) | about 3 years ago | (#37282344)

Can you spot the bitter Windows Phone developer? Look carefully. They may look like an Android or iPhone developer, but if you approach them slowly and flip them over quickly you can identify them by their long umbilical cord stretching back to MSDN colony mother.

I don't develop for any phone. I can tell you that the most obvious, least clever, most repetitive, least novel jokes constantly get rewarded with a +5 visibility around here. And naturally if you don't think this is the epitome of humor, if you want something better like original creative humor that makes you laugh instead of making you roll your eyes, you either "don't get the joke" or you're "from the enemy tribe", in this case that would be MSDN. It's sort of like watching robots increment their humor variable.

If I had to sum it up with a single word, the word that comes to mind is "circlejerk". It's some kind of circle or feedback cycle. Repetition branded as "humor" gets rewarded here so as a result we get more of it. Maybe this is what trolls with mod points do when they run out of GNAA posts, like a very subtle kind of crapflood. If so, I salute their cleverness and the effectiveness of the tactic. Unlike the pro-lifers who murder doctors or the politicians who come up with new restrictions for the "land of the free", I do have a sense of irony, so you could regard this post as me having taken the bait if you like.

Occasionally I'll see a joke here that's not a repetitive meme and wasn't trivially predictable. Even more occasionally they get modded up. I think they're the only reason I don't configure this account to display "+5 Funny" as "-1". Well, that and I browse at -1 so it'd make no material difference.

Anyway, I'll make at least a feeble effort to remain on-topic. I think this lawsuit is great. If anything that even looks like perhaps it might possibly be unsolicited tracking/spying/etc results in tons of legal headaches for the companies involved, this can only be a good thing. I hope it makes them afraid to do anything that even looks like it might invade privacy. I would call that a better world.

If that's the only way to get companies to start respecting their customers, that's a shame but I consider that their choice. They want to do it the hard way, so be it. They could have done it voluntarily, out of respect, but force (i.e. of law) is the only thing they seem to understand. Finally the lust for money and status of the trial attorneys can be put to good use.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282574)

tl;dr

Re:Really? (0)

causality (777677) | about 3 years ago | (#37282844)

tl;dr

Then my advice is: don't read it.

You're welcome.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283868)

Whoooooosh.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37284500)

I didn't read it either.

Did it include the bit about Microsoft execs being a bunch of debauched rapists?

"One of Microsoft’s top female managers was forced to seek protection and flee a debauched staff party after a married senior executive of the company stumbled into the ladies’ lavatories and later made unwanted advances towards her."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/8736644/Microsofts-top-female-manager-fled-debauchery.html [telegraph.co.uk]

Re:Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282642)

No company has shown more contempt for its customers than MS, but yet they retain lots of masochistic geeky love.

Re:Really? (2)

causality (777677) | about 3 years ago | (#37282858)

No company has shown more contempt for its customers than MS

My personal internally-consistent solution to that is simple. I have a Microsoft keyboard about which I have no complaints. Other than that, I haven't used a product of theirs in over ten years.

but yet they retain lots of masochistic geeky love.

The thing about repeatedly bashing your head against a wall is that it feels so good when you stop. If you have sense enough to stop and realize that there are alternatives...

Re:Really? (1, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37284760)

I don't think anybody *likes* Microsoft. The closest thing they get to "love" is when people settle for MS products when they have other options (and half the time, it's just because they don't know they have other options).

Re:Really? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 3 years ago | (#37283636)

If I had to sum it up with a single word, the word that comes to mind is "circlejerk".

Isn't that the basis of all peer bonding? Find a low common denominator and repeat it ad infinitum?

Why would slashdot be any different in that respect? We talk about Windows vs. Mac instead of Ford vs. Chevy, Bud vs. Miller, Redsox vs. Cowboys ... but it's all the same thing underneath.

At least slashdotters don't use "gay" or "faggot" in every sentence. Give them that much.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37284532)

Agree on your point.

Just wanted to point out that the (Boston) Red Sox are a baseball team, and the (Dallas) Cowboys are a football team. Not into those sports enough to give you better examples, as someone else will retort; "You can't compare AFC/NFC or NL/AL teams". I can give you soccer ones though: ... Real Madrid vs Barcelona, Rangers vs Celtics, Manchester United vs Liverpool, Milan vs Juventus, Benfica vs Porto ...

Re:Really? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37284726)

Dude... Do not feed the Trololols [youtube.com]

Re:Really? (2, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | about 3 years ago | (#37282448)

Sadly for MS, the number of people who have made that joke outnumber Windows Phone 7 owners 100:1 at least.

I thought... (2, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 3 years ago | (#37281988)

...that the "7" in Windows Phone 7 referred to the number of users?

Re:I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282358)

wahahahah that's so fucking funny. or no, actually, it's not funny at all. fucking whiney bitch, suck a dick, ifag.

Re:I thought... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282490)

What's the matter, shill, afraid Sweaty Warballs won't sign your Christmas bonus if you don't put your screed in here?

Re:I thought... (1)

twothousand (1277824) | about 3 years ago | (#37282450)

You are right. I did not see any of these users.

Re:I thought... (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 3 years ago | (#37283544)

Well, they are ashamed at being tricked into thinking they were getting iPhone 4's at the AT&T store...

Re:I thought... (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 3 years ago | (#37284372)

Number of mortal sins?

Wow, what a troll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281428)

You must be a regular.

This is why you use a Blackberry. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281448)

It's much more secure and it's not Microsoft.

Re:This is why you use a Blackberry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281542)

And because nobody else uses BB

Cough, choke, spit.... (1)

LostMyBeaver (1226054) | about 3 years ago | (#37283356)

Ummm... it's what?!?!?!? Do you seriously have enough experience with both platforms to make such a judgement?

What part of this article was about security? What kind of security are you talking about?

Blackberry is a Java based phone. If you find ANY opening in it that would allow you to alter the class loader code, it's all tits to the wind after that. You could insert viruses all over that. Oh and given the crap quality of the app store, it seems like it's probably REALLY easy to get an app on the device with malicious intent.

Windows Phone 7 and BlackBerry are EQUALLY shitty with regards to security and quite spouting off worthless trash like this. Show me a secure smart phone operating system and I'll sell you this bridge I own in Brooklyn.

Re:Cough, choke, spit.... (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 3 years ago | (#37283806)

Blackberry benefits from marketing and obscurity causing people to *think* its secure, just look at the comments made by the guy who successfully exploited a blackberry in the recent pwn2own contest.

Windows phone 7 likely benefits from the same obscurity at the moment...

iPhone is more of a target right now because they're desirable handsets, whereas windows phone 7 is largely undesirable and blackberry is considered boring and unfashionable, being associated with business and in some cases kids (who only use blackberry messenger because its free, unlike sms).
In terms of actual security, iOS (and android) are unix systems at heart, with the same basic security model as any other unix, and are based on years of code which has been battle hardened over the years...
Blackberryos and windows phone 7 on the other hand are primarily single user systems, with very little thought for low level security, although blackberry seems to be moving towards qnx which is also a tried and tested unix-like platform.

You could say the opposite of windows vs osx, any given exploit is generally harder to exploit in windows than osx (snow leopard, haven't looked at lion), because windows implements more technologies designed to deter exploitation attempts. This is largely because Apple haven't been attacked as much, and thus had less reason to implement such technologies. On the other hand, that relative ease of exploitation, combined with apple's high profile status at the moment, means that more white hats exploit apple to make a name for themselves, while blackhats still target windows.

Re:This is why you use a Blackberry. (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37284784)

Yeah those blackberries you can pwn by serving them a malformed image through the browser. Those blackberries that are wiretapped by half the governments on the planet.

They're very secure on paper, I'll give them that.

no really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281518)

all cell phones do it, even if you dont have a 3g or 4g phone it still gets your location to make sure your within a certain location so you will/wont pay more for out of service fees and any phone with a gps on it always tracts you anyways just in case of an emergency

Simpler answer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281938)

All phones do it, because otherwise the provider wouldn't know which tower to route the call through when someone calls you, and your phone wouldn't ring.

Re:Simpler answer... (3, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | about 3 years ago | (#37283778)

The towers track you by necessity, the phone itself doesn't need to do anything special and even old dumb phones can be tracked in this way.

Re:no really (1)

RobbieThe1st (1977364) | about 3 years ago | (#37281942)

The former part about cell-tower tracking... Yes. it sort of has to to properly hand over control to the next tower when you're moving.

The latter? I doubt it. Otherwise, opening a maps app would instantly have your correct location(versus having to wait and get a gps lock), and that doesn't seem to happen, at least on Android.

Re:no really (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 3 years ago | (#37282020)

Cell tower tracking can get you your correct location-- you dont need GPS for that, and Google maps (at least on blackberry-- which has gps) uses cell tower triangulation.

Re:no really (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 3 years ago | (#37282132)

I doubt it relies only on cell tower triangulation. Most likely it uses the cell tower triangulation to get a rough estimate of your location, and as you get a GPS lock it refines that location.... thats how it seems to work on the google maps app on iPhone anyway, and why my maps app doesnt work nearly as well in Japan as it does in Germany, Softbanks shittier than shit service means there are very few towers to triangulate so you have to rely entirely on GPS(which has accuracy issues in large cities).

Fuck Softbank, I cannot wait to get rid of that piece of shit company, even if it means getting rid of my iPhone. I have lived in the US, Germany, and Japan and I have NEVER had any issues with either Verizon in the US or Vodafone in Germany. I got faster internet speeds in cow town Bavaria than I do in Tokyo....and in the town I live in, only 60 km outside of Tokyo, I am out of service more than I am in service...sorry went on an off-topic rant there. But anyway, your maps app uses both GPS and cell tower triangulation and fuck Softbank.

Re:no really (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | about 3 years ago | (#37282570)

Yes. It's called A-GPS

Re:no really (2)

Pikoro (844299) | about 3 years ago | (#37283370)

All because you picked your carrier based on the phone. Dude. It's a phone. Use au or docomo if you want service. You can use your iphone on docomo, just switch the sim card, or, get an android from au and have coverage everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere.

Re:no really (2)

Belial6 (794905) | about 3 years ago | (#37282588)

Well, they claimed that the tracking was "for emergency use", but the few times I've had to call 911 from my cell phone, the 911 call center had no idea where I was.

Re:no really (0)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37284850)

Wow you call 911 a lot if you're experienced in the geolocation capabilities of your newest phone. I've never called 911 in my life. If you add up all the times my immediate family has called 911, it's probably about 4, and in all of those incidents it was calling the police to an incident as an onlooker.

Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (2, Funny)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | about 3 years ago | (#37281566)

This reveals a lot about Microsoft. Already, people who have a Windows Phone 7 are neither iPhone nor Android users. They're already suffering enough and Microsoft has to pile on the indignity of stealing their measly data. Microsoft must know everything there is to know about the 536 people--worldwide--who bought the Windows Phone 7.
Bet the same people invested heavily in Silverlight...

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281610)

536*(price of a windows phone - cost) = HUGE PROFIT

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281634)

Already, people who have a Windows Phone 7 are neither iPhone nor Android users

???

From the department of redundancy department...

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281846)

This reveals a lot about Microsoft.

I dunno what article you read but this doesn't actually seem to reveal anything.

Already, people who have a Windows Phone 7 are neither iPhone nor Android users.

Maybe in the land of 'you can only use one phone and if you choose windows phone 7 you're not allowed to use an android tablet', but not in the real world

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281934)

Microsoft must know everything there is to know about the 536 people--worldwide--who bought the Windows Phone 7.

536 down, 104 to go.

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282060)

Troll....

Android illegally takes Java from oracle and rebadges it for their device.
Android illegally uses patents from apple/microsoft/etc etc etc..
Android is fragmented to the max..
etc etc..

Anyone can slant an argument the way they like.

Google handed data to the USA when requested without a warrant.
Google fined $500Billion for Drug Advertising..

Wake up..

We can smell a troll from a mile away..

Go back to your Google Fanboy home.

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282346)

500 billion dollars? Christ, a few more fines like that and we won't have to worry about the national debt.

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (1)

jimmyfrank (1106681) | about 3 years ago | (#37282856)

What's wrong with Silverlight? Do you prefer Swing?

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283226)

For starters, it's produced by a company who owns an operating system platform so provides a perfect "cut off their air supply" tool for attacking the competition.

I'd rather have my applets served in Flash. As much as Flash sucks, it still behaves better than Java/.Net in the web sandbox.

Re:Microsoft Like An Abusive Spouse (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#37283560)

what friggin phone can you use swing with? none.
eswt on the other hand, that at least you can use on a few phones.
java on the other hand, with whatever ui kits, you can use on many, many phones. but that's not the point. point with wp7 is being constrained to a feature phone like development, even windows ce mobiles were more interesting from developer perspective.

but that wouldn't be so bad either, except that it's coupled to being really feature phone like in the sense that your threads get killed no matter what, so it's more like kosher iphone dev, except with a vm and there's no ndk like system. you're not going to do phone enhancing utilities unless you're in bed with microsoft so it becomes more of a business problem than a technical problem.

but at this stage, half the wp7 users are hopefuls who bought it in the hopes of scoring programming gigs for it. but the user/dev ratio is terrible as a result, those same guys who have been on the silverlight train for years while it's not a real option for serving random users - even flash is a more viable alternative.

it's just friggin zune with a phone app. frigging n-gage does more with more development languages and options. except for the launcher app, it's a total downgrade from even windows mobile 5.0. calling it wp7 is a joke when it should be kin 3.

(yeah they'd be ok devices if they were in the featurephone bracket, they'd sell more that way too, but then they'd have to sell them at 150-200$, essentially wp7 is like bada in that regard - except bada provides more developer leeway)

They all do it! (2)

TheBrutalTruth (890948) | about 3 years ago | (#37281590)

Smartphone, dumbphone, anyphone - if it's connected, SOMEONE (OS vendor, Carrier, Sowtware) is logging activity & location. At a minimum the cell signal is triangulated to get your location. "to provide better service" meh.

If you don't like it, don't use 'em.

Re:They all do it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281842)

Yes, they all do it, but at least some (like Android phones) explicitly ask for your permission first.

Re:They all do it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282014)

Actually, Android is worse than all of them in this aspect. It may ask when an app wants to know your location, but it is definitely sending your location to Google whenever it is on.

Re:They all do it! (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37282696)

That's a fair point, but Cyanogenmod offers better security. Some apps will FC if you restrict their permissions, but it's an option.

that's not ENTIRELY true :) (1)

tkprit (8581) | about 3 years ago | (#37282230)

Some of us started checking this out a while ago, and there's a new-ish write-up about 'logging features' at InfectedROM ( http://infectedrom.com/content.php/154-HTCs-User-Behavior-Logging [infectedrom.com] ), but what's not said is that it's not only htc phones that have these "features" of logging every single event on the phone and syncing it to cloud servers somewhere.

(htc, google, and amazon iirc)

For now, I've set the offending dirs to read-only so no files are written, and all's well, but I don't think reading the fine print buried in settings>about>legal is akin to "explicitly asking for permission".

(And I don't think having to root your phone to chmod dirs read-only is a user-friendly way to decline these "features")

IIRC a Googler said it was used [maybe legitimately] for 'debugging', but the number of files found (in each directory) logging every event was offensive if only for the amount of phone storage it eats up (and I won't even go there re: syncing those files to clouds and bad data plans—I suppose a few MBs/day isn't a huge deal).

(Of course, my biggest concern is privacy :)

Re:They all do it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281982)

When I bought my prepaid dumbphone all T-Mobile asked for was a birthdate.

No name. No address. No social security number. Just a birthdate, with no proof that it is even my real birthdate.

So they have no reason to track my location...since they have no marketing profile to which to tie it. Since there is no data plan, there is no spending/browsing activity to track either.

For those of you who can't live without your data plans....I bet you spend less than an hour a day more than a few feet away from a computer with Internet access.

Re:They all do it! (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about 3 years ago | (#37282492)

1 Hour? I think you're being hugely optimistic and don't commute in public transport (Unless is insanely fast where you live).

Also, a computer with internet access does not equal to YOUR OWN device with internet access.

Disclaimer: I do not live in USA.

Re:They all do it! (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 3 years ago | (#37283842)

Or you commute using underground or high speed public transport, where mobile signals are useless anyway...

Re:They all do it! (3, Insightful)

Smallpond (221300) | about 3 years ago | (#37282016)

Smartphone, dumbphone, anyphone - if it's connected, SOMEONE (OS vendor, Carrier, Sowtware) is logging activity & location. At a minimum the cell signal is triangulated to get your location. "to provide better service" meh.

If you don't like it, don't use 'em.

Umm. Yes, the phone company has to know where you are. Now please explain why the folks who made the phone need to know?

Re:They all do it! (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#37282482)

Umm. Yes, the phone company has to know where you are. Now please explain why the folks who made the phone need to know?

Probably because they are the ones you go to when you lose your phone and want to use their service to find it, pretty hard for them to do that if they don't know where it is hmmm?

Re:They all do it! (1)

mevets (322601) | about 3 years ago | (#37282650)

Try an experiment:
  turn your phone off (off, off) when you are travelling somewhere.
  When you reach where ever, turn your phone on and attempt to find something around you. How long does it take?
Look at some over your other 'location dependent' apps, and try the same thing. Notice taking pictures takes longer?
Tempest in a teapot, and as much as I'd like to jump to the defence of those poor 7 windows phone users, there is likely nothing nefarious here.

Re:They all do it! (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 3 years ago | (#37282286)

At a minimum the cell signal is triangulated to get your location. "to provide better service" meh.

Not in this case, this particular data set is being kept away from the carriers, and was only being sent to Microsoft Servers.

If you don't like it, don't use 'em.

Or we could just sue for them lying to us. Personally, I don't mind them collecting the data. It's the lying about it that bothers me. And if you live in the US, and don't like other people suing, you could just move away.

anyone would be a fool to trust (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 3 years ago | (#37281630)

either the government or the fatcat corporate types in this modern-day fascist Corporatocracy [wikipedia.org]

Re:anyone would be a fool to trust (2)

trentfoley (226635) | about 3 years ago | (#37281834)

For some reason, you linked to the article on Kleptocracy. The article for Corporatocracy [wikipedia.org] is here. Personally, I think of the United States as more of an Oligarchy [wikipedia.org] .

Re:anyone would be a fool to trust (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 3 years ago | (#37284002)

well, they are a bunch of thieving bastards so it was not that big of a mistake...

gps satelites know where you are (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about 3 years ago | (#37281704)

And they're telling everyone! Everywhere! Just now, I checked in with them, you're in the bathroom slashdotting! They told me so, and G+ says you're low on toilet paper! OH NOES!!! on a lighter note, only a silly person thinks they're getting location data for free from a service which isn't also recording that location data. How do you think they fund the service?

Re:gps satelites know where you are (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281744)

the point is they paid for the service and still do monthly you jackass

What's he testing (3, Interesting)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#37281790)

He concluded that "the Windows Mobile operating system is clearly sending information that can lead to accurate location information of the mobile device regardless of whether the user allowed the Camera application to share location information or not."

Is he testing Windows Mobile or Windows Phone 7? I RTFA and the linked articles and can't seem to find the testing methodology or any documentation.

And wouldn't you want that accurate location information to be sent if you were using the Find My Phone thing (just like you would with Apple's Find My iPhone):
Microsoft's "Find My Phone," meanwhile, only keeps the device's most recent location, the company said.

Of course you have to trust that the company is only keeping the most recent location but that's the case with all providers.

3t4is is goatsex (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281812)

Are tied up IFn

Bad Summary (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37281968)

"Follow in Apple's footsteps"? If you want to compare them to someone, pick Google, the biggest privacy violator in this market. Even after Apple stopped crowdsourcing location information, Google is still using it to track Android users. There is a reason they spend millions of dollars to develop Android, and it's not benevolent.

I guess I shouldn't expect more from the /. crowd. You guys still believe the "Don't Be Evil" line from 10 years ago.

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282052)

So, you still choke down PBR and pretend to like it, or have you moved on to something else to show how non-conformist you are (with your friends, of course, because you can't pretend to show indifference about conformity unless you have a group of other people with you to do it with, now can you?)?

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282102)

So, criticizing an advertising company that actively violates peoples personal privacy is conformist? Quite the opposite, I'm trying to stand up for people's rights, and you are following the trend of "Google is SO COOL!"

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282276)

So, someone comes out with a valid argument that does not conform to the current social attitude, and you call them a conformist? Maybe you're the type that will conform to the style of always trying doing what no one else does... The anti-conformity-conformist. People are shaped by others around them, get used it.

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282062)

I guess I shouldn't expect more from the /. crowd. You guys still believe the "Don't Be Evil" line from 10 years ago.

You [xkcd.com]

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282068)

They are referring to how Apple was sued over the iphone tracking it's users. That was not an opinion.

Re:Bad Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282404)

Google was sued as well, but no one ever seems to mention it. Apple also changed their ways immediately, while Google still keeps it up.

I'd be surprised if this was intentional (3, Interesting)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about 3 years ago | (#37282064)

I've had a Windows Phone 7 device since day one, and it asks at every turn before doing something that would collect location (or any other) data. If it's true and not just a misconfigured device or data being poorly interpreted, I'd be surprised if it was intentional.

But, I know I know. Always assume the worst yada yada. Microsoft is evil, right?

Re:I'd be surprised if this was intentional (1, Redundant)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 years ago | (#37282274)

Expect a few hilarious "You and (lololo) the OTHER WP7 phone user (lololol/smirk)" comments to follow your comments. Personally I hope WP7 takes off just to wipe the smug, knowing grins off their stupid faces.

Keep hoping dipshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282308)

Latest cellphone marketshare numbers show your piece of shit WP7 has plummeted yet again this past month.

500 million in PR and advertising to buy reviews and fluff articles and only a handful of idiots like RightSadFred99 are dumb enough to buy their dead cellphone OS.

Epic Fail Microsoft.

Re:Keep hoping dipshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282354)

Latest cellphone marketshare numbers show your piece of shit WP7 has plummeted yet again this past month.

oh yeah and look at piece of shit OSX with its pathetic marketshare, must mean it's crap.
Android must be so much better than iOS because it has heaps more marketshare.
You really are the kind of retard that believes a product is only good if other people have it, you pathetic fucktard.

Re:Keep hoping dipshit (-1, Troll)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 years ago | (#37282626)

Let me guess. Judging by the huge number of Anonymous Cowards in this thread, and how bitter and nearly incoherent they are... I'm going to guess the dev team's launch bash for Mango was open bar tonight, and at the end they told you about the reorg.

Re:Keep hoping dipshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283236)

Let me guess. Judging by the huge number of Anonymous Cowards in this thread, and how bitter and nearly incoherent they are... I'm going to guess the dev team's launch bash for Mango was open bar tonight, and at the end they told you about the reorg.

ah yes of course, the expected response from someone clearly far too incompetent to even attempt a rebuttal. you=FAIL

Re:Keep hoping dipshit (0)

lucidlyTwisted (2371896) | about 3 years ago | (#37283638)

ah yes of course, the expected response from someone clearly far too incompetent to even attempt a rebuttal. you=FAIL

"fucktard" is not a rebuttal, it's an ad hominem attack. Did make me snigger though.

As to WP7...not tried it but I don't want it. iOS...tried it but don't want it. Android...tried it and it's the best of a bad lot really.
And in this case "best" is based on personal opinion/needs, your best may be different.
Still using a Symbian-based feature phone though, for the simple reason it is small, bloody good at getting a signal, making calls and can go about 2-weeks without needing a charge. That trumps anything a smartphone can do (for me and my requirements any way).

Re:I'd be surprised if this was intentional (1)

jimmyfrank (1106681) | about 3 years ago | (#37282866)

you forgot, Silverlight is dead... lololo... use HTML 5 & jquery n000000000bs

No it's sends location data ALWAYS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282360)

It asks you if its ok to send the data, then it sends the data anyway with a flag saying not to use it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20057329-281.html

"Windows Phone 7, supported by manufacturers including Dell, HTC, LG, Nokia, and Samsung, transmits to Microsoft a miniature data dump including a unique device ID, details about nearby Wi-Fi networks, and the phone's GPS-derived exact latitude and longitude."

"Microsoft says that in the case of Windows Phone 7, location information is transmitted to its servers only if Wi-Fi and location services are turned on. It also points out it offers a global switch to turn off all location-based services"

So if you have WiFi on and GPS on, then it's sending your location details to Microsoft HQ with or without your permission.

Re:No it's sends location data ALWAYS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282480)

"Microsoft says that in the case of Windows Phone 7, location information is transmitted to its servers only if Wi-Fi and location services are turned on. It also points out it offers a global switch to turn off all location-based services"

So if you have WiFi on and GPS on, then it's sending your location details to Microsoft HQ with or without your permission.

Are you hard of reading? Or just plain retarded? If you turn off location-based services you no longer grant permission and it no longer transmits location data, very simple.

Re:No it's sends location data ALWAYS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282632)

You may wish to make use of location services without having to transmit your location to M$...

Re:I'd be surprised if this was intentional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282834)

I have a WP7 and dig it alot. I've had iPhone and Android. I got the WP7 phone because it's easy to write apps. As posted, it always asks but I'm on Mango so dunno. Even if it did send location info, I could care less.

Re:Evil (0)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 3 years ago | (#37283030)

But, I know I know. Always assume the worst yada yada. Microsoft is evil, right?

Not necessarily. But without a complete set of facts one must make an assumption. An assumption is based on what we know and what is likely to have happened. What I know as a non-WP7 users is that Microsoft is being sued, that Microsoft is supposedly spying on consumers, that they are competitors to a company who make it their business to spy on consumers, and that the way they treat their users typically is nothing short of contempt.

The logical assumption is yes, Microsoft is evil and is spying. If this is not the case to draw any other conclusion is ludicrous, fanboyism, or relies on knowing more information than what was given TFA and history :-)

Re:Evil (3, Insightful)

nstlgc (945418) | about 3 years ago | (#37283378)

But without a complete set of facts one must make an assumption.
No, without a complete set of facts, you go looking for a complete set of facts. Making assumptions is what everybody expects you to do, and it leads to people only feeding you partial information in an attempt to guide you towards a specific assumption.

Re:I'd be surprised if this was intentional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283032)

So wait... you have to do that EVERY time something wants to collect data? Holy CHRIST is that annoying. WTF, is there no 'no to all' option?

Windows Phone 7 is Great! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282272)

Kiss my ass WP7 is great. So what if it they log your location, every other freaking device is subject to the same shit. I for one am sick of this bash Microsoft all the time around here on slashdot almost makes it not worth reading the cruf posted on this site anymore.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283096)

Microsoft bashing? No, they brought it on themselves, their products were great in the 90s, but they suck now. They are grasping for relevancy in all the wrong places.

Re:Windows Phone 7 is Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37284234)

Ok, I've now read most of this topic, and it appears that many anonymous WP7 fans express their opinion through expressions like "Kiss my ass", "..plain retarded", "piece of shit" etc... Do we know any particular Microsoft executives that might be responsible for that?...

Re:Windows Phone 7 is Great! (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 years ago | (#37284284)

Slashdot aren't the ones lodging the lawsuit, you know.

Uggghhh (0)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 3 years ago | (#37282562)

Are we really going to have to go through this with EVERY phone?

one app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37282962)

He calls one app collecting data an oversight. What I want to know is why would he thinks an evil microsoft would need more. I'm sure they would like to eliminate duplicate data at the source.

Goodness (1)

wzinc (612701) | about 3 years ago | (#37283164)

Apple wasn't collecting users' actual location; they were collecting the cell towers they were near. Beyond that, it was a bug that, when reported, was fixed within days. Heaven forbid someone just tell Apple (or whatever company) that they have a bug, so not scare people over nothing.

Re:Goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283736)

Where's the class action lawsuit in that?

People are stupid. It would be nice to think that they get what they deserve but instead they get representation :(

Re:Goodness (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 3 years ago | (#37284044)

Apple wasn't collecting users' actual location; they were collecting the cell towers they were near. Beyond that, it was a bug that, when reported, was fixed within days. Heaven forbid someone just tell Apple (or whatever company) that they have a bug, so not scare people over nothing.

Actually, the problem was that people don't have brains and get all excited. Apple couldn't read the information that was found stored on iPhones, so Apple couldn't use this information to track a user. And if someone wanted to find your location with this data, they first had to steal the phone from your pocket. In which case they know where the phone is anyway. But where common sense broke down completely was that all these idiots didn't realise that the information stored on the iPhone arrived there because it was sent from Apple's servers. So if Apple actually wanted to track iPhones, they could have done that very easily and very illegally without anyone noticing.

and google is not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37283210)

and you all think Google isn't doing the same thing?.................Google=advertising company=need your data=selling things

It's just the camera software (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37284122)

Get a grip ladies.... 1 application isn't behaving properly.... whoopdedoo...

Go have a nice cup of tea and biscuits .... leave the rest to the big boys...

"Microsoft wants to emulate the success of the iPh (0)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37284438)

"Microsoft wants to emulate the success of the iPhone"

So does Apple "want to emulate the success of the PC"?

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