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Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the 2.2-has-left-the-building dept.

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Lars Lehtonen writes: "The 2.0 kernel is no longer obsolete, it is now "vintage." 2.4.0 is out. " Here is a bit on LinuxToday but I'm sure there will be many more. I don't think the mirrors have updated as of this writing, but if I don't post this now, I'll have to spend the next 3 hours deleting hundreds of submissions. Download! Compile! Rejoice! Thanks to Linus and all the rest of the guys who made it happen.

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Re:The 2.4 Series (5)

SurfsUp (11523) | more than 13 years ago | (#529319)

I kept updating whenever they came out, and to tell you the truth, After test 8 they started sucking ass. They got less stable. Test 9 kept randomly killing random processes, and test 10 wouldn't even boot on my firends machine, so I gave up. I dont know if they fixed this problem but according to my friend it is a result of trying out different scheduling systems. I jsut hope they get all the bugs out by now.

There were a few major things that had to be done right at the end of the development process after other things had stablilized, such as adding proper flushing and syncing to the page cache. The page cache is, by the way, where a lot of the improved performance of 2.4 comes from. Before the page cache was only used to reading, now it's used for reading and writing, consuming only half the cache memory. The other big performance improvement came from a fairly major modification to the memory management system, to use an approach called page aging which you can see works a lot better. This radical surgery all happened in the last 3 months of the leadup to 2.4, and there were a lot of stupid little bugs and problems to track down and kill as a result of it. It came together pretty fast, actually.
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Flamebait?? (2)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 13 years ago | (#529321)

I cannot believe that the above post, which was a reproduction of Linus's email to the kernel list, was tagged as flamebait. In case the moderator didn't know this, this is Linus's actual email, which you can find off of this [linuxtoday.com] Linux Today article.

If this happens to attract flames, it because the flamers are ignorant, and not because the poster is baiting for flames.

In other words, please moderate the parent to this post back up. Thank you.

ObJectBridge [sourceforge.net] (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

Download Site in AU (2)

ecips (17465) | more than 13 years ago | (#529323)

Kernel 2.4.0 is available for download in Australia at:

[linux.org.au]
http://www.linux.org.au/mirrors/kernel/v2.4

and
[linux.org.au]
ftp://ftp.linux.org.au/pub/kernel/v2.4

Slashdot effect quantified (4)

Zog (12506) | more than 13 years ago | (#529324)

Currently (about 20:49 EST), the largest slashdot effect I've ever seen is taking place -

We're pounding kernel.org at almost 99 MBit/S.

Now only if they had another 1.5 terabit router...

Re:Upgrading from a late 2.0.* (3)

jmv (93421) | more than 13 years ago | (#529325)

You need... a new distro. Of course, it's always possible to do the upgrade, but there's going to be way too much stuff that will need to be installed. It's much simpler to re-install a new distro than to look for all the compatibility/utilities problems... I suggest you wait for your favorite distro to ship with a 2.4.x kernel and install it.

Re:Current /. poll (5)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#529326)

Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads Sorry, only eligible residents of Florida are allowed to change their votes.

Re:the first distro to run this (3)

Johnzo (94306) | more than 13 years ago | (#529352)

No, I'm sure Mandrake will be the first out the door with 2.4 -- except that Wal-Mart will make them ship 2.3.99.

John(burned on the Linux-Mandrake 7.2 Complete, and grumpy about it)zo.

Re:My Mirror: (2)

nightfire-unique (253895) | more than 13 years ago | (#529356)

you can find 2.4.0 here: ftp://rohirrim.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 Please be easy on me :)

Hmm. Posting a 2.4.0 kernel link on slashdot eh? That's not really your site is it? ;)

--
All men are great
before declaring war

Grrrrr... (the need to pay attention) (2)

Spoing (152917) | more than 13 years ago | (#529390)

The default config has changed over the 2.3/2.4test-pre cycle. That means that if you used to not need to change anything, you might need to now. Pay attention to each and every default setting, or you'll waste time with kernels that don't boot, and modules that won't load or worse.

You've been warned...

non-x86 (1)

bmacy (40101) | more than 13 years ago | (#529397)

Hopefully Sparc and some of the other ports will begin to stabilize now.

And maybe I'll have to figure out why the APM in my Compaq Presario 1670 laptop locks 2.4 up solid :)

Brian Macy

What's a subject? (2)

Tsujigiri (77400) | more than 13 years ago | (#529399)

It's quite ammusing that at the mo, the www.kernal.org [kernal.org] frontpage reads:

The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.0
The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.3.99-pre9

I'm so used to seeing the latest beta with a higher version number. Looks wrong for some reason.

New Linux 2.6 features (3)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 13 years ago | (#529402)

New Linux 2.6 features will include:

  1. FreeBSD-like TCP stack
  2. FreeBSD-like VM
  3. FreeBSD-like FS

2.4 Kernel (1)

AlgUSF (238240) | more than 13 years ago | (#529404)

I am a Solaris(x86) user, but I think I might take it offline for a week (or so) and test drive the 2.4 kernel.

I'm glad that Linus doesn't release software before it's time. I don't understand how the critics (and other software companies) can criticize the delay. Especially since it is developed by a group of volunteers, and they give it away for free. Linux may be the only Operating System in which you get more than you paid for. Thanks Linus, and I can't wait to test drive 2.4.



Re:great... (1)

matth (22742) | more than 13 years ago | (#529431)

I plan on staying at 2.0 for my servers =) no need to upgrade something that is working hehe.

great... (1)

fjordboy (169716) | more than 13 years ago | (#529493)

so...2.0 goes from outdated to vintage...herm... in Wines, the vintage (aged) would be better than the new ones...and by using this logic, I would be better off staying at 2.0 than upgrading.

Linus's Email (3)

Jordy (440) | more than 13 years ago | (#529509)

Linus' email to linux-kernel seems a bit down. Someone should really do something about it. A parade, maybe a new car... I don't know..

Email is as follows:

In a move unanimously hailed by the trade press and industry analysts as being a sure sign of incipient braindamage, Linus Torvalds (also known as the "father of Linux" or, more commonly, as "mush-for-brains") decided that enough is enough, and that things don't get better from having the same people test it over and over again. In short, 2.4.0 is out there.

Anxiously awaited for the last too many months, 2.4.0 brings to the table many improvements, none of which come to mind to the exhausted release manager right now. "It's better", was the only printable quote. Pressed for details, Linus bared his teeth and hissed at reporters, most of which suddenly remembered that they'd rather cover "Home and Gardening" than the IT industry anyway.

Anyway, have fun. And don't bother reporting any bugs for the next few days. I won't care anyway.

Linus

Oh well ... (3)

Lupulack (3988) | more than 13 years ago | (#529528)

I was *just* now looking on the kernel.ca.org and there's only the prerelease. Of course, now that Slashdot has posted the existence of 2.4.0 I ( with my pitiful dialup connection ) will be unable to get hold of it for DAYS.

Oh well, I wonder if it'll be like the 2.2 release, where 2.2.1 thru 2.2.5 were released in the course of a week ... I highly doubt it, but the thought makes me feel better :)

Difference (1)

Mtn_Dewd (15169) | more than 13 years ago | (#529536)

Is this just a formality that puts an end on a prerelease that is virtually the same thing in order to build up a little more hype?... not that I am not downloading it already and buying into it =)



Kernel upgrading (2)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 13 years ago | (#529541)

How hard is it exactly to upgrade your Kernel? (I use redhat6.2)
I have never done it, but I have been told that if you do it, alot of programs stop working, and you are better of just to get a fresh distro with it already in it, is this true?

And there was much rejoicing (4)

Mazrim_Ta (129987) | more than 13 years ago | (#529575)

I would just like to say that when I read this, I ran around the office showing all the NT admins who for the longest time were saying what crap linux is, and how it 2.4 would never come out. I then ran around the office naked screaming "Viva la tux" and here I am, at Starbucks...jobless. =P Give me some food! Maz

Re:Kernel upgrading (1)

arseonick (28913) | more than 13 years ago | (#529584)

Recompiling your kernel will *NOT* break your programs (unless RedHat sucks more than I previously thought)... It is something that everyone must go through. It's easy. I would recommend that you read the README.

whas next (3)

gags bunny (263639) | more than 13 years ago | (#529585)

this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it. But when al the partying is over, then comes the question -- what next.

OK what else really needs to be in the kernel, what needs to be fixed. We've been testing 2.4 for over a year now and its out and looking good. So its stable and secure. So what about new features? What else needs to be put into a kernel that is already a ~25 meg download. More to the point, what else will even fit?

Wonderful! (4)

Adam Wiggins (349) | more than 13 years ago | (#529593)

I've been salivating for months anticipating the anticipation for 2.6. Let the wait begin!

:)

Re:Linus's Email (5)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 13 years ago | (#529608)

Dude, I'm sure so many people have offered Linus free (money, hardware, software, beer, food, cars, lusty wenches, lusty men, lusty goats, rides in nuclear submarines or fighter planes) he could take everyone up on their offers and live 'till he was 180 before he got through with them all. :-) Of course, IMHO he deserves all that and a whipped cream sunday besides. Linus, in the unlikely even you read this comment: You rule!. 'Nuff said.


--

One question (1)

jaysonsch (101680) | more than 13 years ago | (#529609)

Everyone talks about Linux killing Windows and the Microsoft empire. My question is simple. If this is to occur, then why do we have delayed projects like this kernel? Don't get me wrong. Linux is great! But delays like this may withhold it from becoming as widespread as many would like. As for me, I'm waiting for the next kernel so I can take advantage of the latest (today's) hardware.

I Do! (1)

suso (153703) | more than 13 years ago | (#529611)

That's the problem with Linux now. Now that the fad part of it is over everone's attitudes have gone south. I remember when everyone was jazzed about Linux and would talk about it until they were blue in the face.

Now that we as a community are being noticed, it's 2.4 times more important that we show some professionalism. It's 2.4 times more important that we don't get discouraged.

Re:Kernel upgrading (2)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 13 years ago | (#529625)

When 2.2 came out, there was a page (I fail to remember where) detailing exactly what packages had to be upgraded in order to put 2.2 into a 2.0 box. I successfuly upgraded many machines with the help of that document. Anyone knows if there's such a thing for 2.4? Maybe in the kernel tarball itself?

the first distro to run this (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 13 years ago | (#529628)

the first distro with this will be the one i install on my shiny new laptop. yes i know i could do it myself but this is easier and i would like to try something else (even though every time i install a new distro, i go back to slackware in less than a month) but at least it will hold me over until the next slackwre release!

Advice Re:Kernel upgrading (3)

twisty (179219) | more than 13 years ago | (#529635)

I've only done a handful of upgrades, most of them to Mandrake. (6.0 through 7.2 and now 7.2-2.4.0)

If you're not using loadlin to bootstrap from Windows, it should be cake. (Utterly painless if you're using the MandrakeUpdate.) However, if you do use loadlin, you really ought to make sure you've got boot floppies and a backup of the original kernel. Beyond that, I don't forsee much problem on an unmodified RH6.2.

Re:Important? (1)

suso (153703) | more than 13 years ago | (#529639)

Because like it or not (and I don't either), chances are that commercial acceptance is what Linux is going to need. Otherwise we'll end up like blind Amiga users (I was one of them).

Re:One question (3)

rd (30144) | more than 13 years ago | (#529657)

If this is to occur, then why do we have delayed projects like this kernel?

The recipe specifically states:

"Heat the new kernel at 425 degrees until baked to perfection."

Re:Important? (1)

scenic (4226) | more than 13 years ago | (#529658)

it's not important if IBM sells more boxes. But if the perception becomes (again) that only a few fringe users are using linux, then it'll be that much tougher to get drivers released, get specs for that cool new piece of hardware, etc., etc., etc.

Re:great... (5)

tao (10867) | more than 13 years ago | (#529660)

Noooo... Please don't, because each extra user that sticks to v2.0 becomes my trouble instead of the corporate bug-munching crowd on linux-kernel. Yes, I admit I was stupid when I accepted maintainership, but someone had to.

Regards: David Weinehall, maintainer of the v2.0 kernel-series.

Current /. poll (5)

anticypher (48312) | more than 13 years ago | (#529663)

The main reason I got broadband access:
[ ] 24 hour IRC Idling
[ ] MegaTokyo
[ ] Pr0n
[X] Kernel Downloads
[ ] apt-get -u upgrade
[ ] www.cowboyneal.org
[ ] MP3s
[ ] I Saw "The Net" and thought it would be 31337

Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads. But even broadband won't help here in Europe until the mirrors get updated. Damn slashdot effect.

the AC

Upgrading from a late 2.0.* (2)

drxwr--wr-- (301659) | more than 13 years ago | (#529665)

Alright, it's a bit off-topic but would just like a tip here. What else do I have to upgrade in order to go from a 2.0.36 kernel to this new one? I mean in termos of libs, utils, etc..

What I want to know is.. (1)

iamcadaver (104579) | more than 13 years ago | (#529668)

How many people here actually posted BEFORE starting a d/l?

52kB/s sustained, love my broadband.

Do you really need 2.4? (4)

Saint Nobody (21391) | more than 13 years ago | (#529672)

Looking back on some of the bugs that stayed in the 2.2 tree for so long (including some that caused massive filesystem corruption) i can't help but worry that 2.4 is just as far from BugFree(TM)

Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree. Granted, there's a lot of neat stuff in 2.4, but there is a difference between neat and necessary. I'm sticking with kernels i know are stable.

Re:When...? (1)

Dwonis (52652) | more than 13 years ago | (#529673)

At least you're not waiting for 4.0 like I am...

What? I have long-term goals!
--------
Genius dies of the same blow that destroys liberty.

From kernel©org©©© (1)

prog-guru (129751) | more than 13 years ago | (#529674)

Current bandwidth utilization 98©36 Mbit/s!!!

And the source is available now, not just the patch©

2.4.0? (1)

rograndom (112079) | more than 13 years ago | (#529675)

Why would I want to download Lie-nuck 2.4 when I can go to staples and get Lie-nucks 6.2?

sarcasm people, sarcasm

Re:whas next (2)

AntiBasic (83586) | more than 13 years ago | (#529676)

this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it.

Come again? The late 2.3 and early 2.4-tests have been a pain in the ass. You must've been oblivious to the entire ext2fs corruption and GINORMOUS memory leaks. Even with SMP, they were unsuitable for production useage.

I just want someone to do a wc for expletives to see how many more references of "fuck me gently with a chainsaw" are present.

WOOOOOT! WTG guys! (1)

GreyFauk (18632) | more than 13 years ago | (#529694)

I'd say... "It's about friggin time!" But...
Ya can't rush something like this and I'm glad
they took the time to make it as stable as
possible before releasing it to the gorrillas
to stomp and crunch ;)

May the bugs be few and the fixes be quick!

The 2.4 Series (1)

xenocidex (231561) | more than 13 years ago | (#529700)

I followed the 2.4 kernel test releases for a long while now

I kept updating whenever they came out, and to tell you the truth, After test 8 they started sucking ass. They got less stable. Test 9 kept randomly killing random processes, and test 10 wouldn't even boot on my firends machine, so I gave up. I dont know if they fixed this problem but according to my friend it is a result of trying out different scheduling systems. I jsut hope they get all the bugs out by now.

Re:Download (1)

tjhanson (56198) | more than 13 years ago | (#529703)

Right. Good luck. Maybe next month you'll be able to get on the site, but for now...

Re:Download here (2)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 13 years ago | (#529704)

If you download one of the mirrored versions of 2.4.0-prerelease, and apply this patch, you will have 2.4.0. Refer to the list of mirrors that I posted.

ObJectBridge [sourceforge.net] (GPL'd Java ODMG) needs volunteers.

Funny /. typo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#529705)

"Ladies And Gentleman" ... because only one Linux user could be considered a Gentleman?


PS - Let's see how much humor you guys have with the moderation.

Re:And there was much rejoicing (4)

peterjm (1865) | more than 13 years ago | (#529707)

dude, that's nothing.
when I read this, I went and grabbed our nt admin by the scruff of his neck, dragged him to my cubicle, and beat his head into my moniter screaming, "Now who's vaporware, BITCH?!?!?!"

now here I am at kinkos on their crappy little rental macs.

it was worth it.
-P

Cool! (1)

proxima (165692) | more than 13 years ago | (#529709)

I write this about an hour and a half after Linus wrote his letter. To my slight dissapointment I couldn't easily find new news stories about it to post. However, I was pleased to find out that kernel.org [kernel.org] was updated. Not surprisingly their FTP and HTTP servers are running a bit slow, but here are direct links nonetheless - HTTP [kernel.org], and FTP [kernel.org]

I'd like to congratulate everyone who worked on this kernel, by coding, testing or otherwise. I look forward to using it.

Re:Kernel upgrading (4)

highcaffeine (83298) | more than 13 years ago | (#529710)

That's quite untrue, actually. Sounds like someone with stock in a particular distro company may have told you that. ;-)

Under all but rare or weird circumstances upgrading to a newer kernel will only break a program if it relies on a special module or patched code in the kernel that the distro makeer has pre-applied to the kernel and that is not standard with stock kernel downloads. These kinds of programs are few and far between.

Recompiling a kernel is not a sacred initiation rite for the elite. It's actually very easy as long as you understand the hardware in your system (you'll need to know specific model numbers and such for just about everything in your system that you want to get working properly; you can consult the files under /proc to get just about every bit of information you need), and follow all the proper instructions.

You can either look below for very brief instructions, or download and untar the kernel and read the README file in the newly created linux/ directory where you untarred.

The very abbreviated instructions are: download kernel, ungzip and untar the kernel in /usr/src (remove the existing /usr/src/linux symlink first), rename new linux/ directory to something else, then recreate /usr/src/linux symlink to that directory. Then, cd into /usr/src/linux and do "make " plus either config, menuconfig or xconfig. For beginners, menuconfig or xconfig are best (you'll need to be running X for the latter to work). Configure the kernel as you need/want, then save & exit. Type "make dep", then "make bzImage", then (if you selected any options to be compiled as modules) "make modules" and "make modules_install".

Copy /usr/src/linux/arch/"your platform"/boot/bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-"something unique". Replace "your platform" with i386 for Intel, "alpha" for Alpha, and so on. Then edit /etc/lilo.conf. For details on lilo.conf, do "man lilo.conf". If you're using LILO and have edited lilo.conf, make sure to rerun "/sbin/lilo" before rebooting your system.

Most configuration options for the kernel have decent little bits of info attached to them saying what they're for (hit "?" with the option selected to see the help text).

Hope that helps. If not, read the README a couple times. If you're ever unsure about a kernel option, look for documentation on it under the linux/Documentation directory. There's detailed info in there for most options in the kernel.

Re:the first distro to run this (3)

HeUnique (187) | more than 13 years ago | (#529711)

I can't imagine ANY serious Linux distributor that will put 2.4.0 on it's new version of Linux..

I guess that everyone will wait until at least something like 2.4.2 or 2.4.3 to put those kernels as default - and even then - you'll have on the 2nd (or the 3rd) CD the 2.2.X kernel to fall back to..

I would really suggest to people who wants to use ReiserFS to wait for kernel 2.4.1 and enjoy the benefits of bug fixes + ReiserFS in 1 complete stock kernel...

Not just Linus (1)

Dwonis (52652) | more than 13 years ago | (#529731)

Don't forget about Alan, Andrea, Rik, David, Chris, Oliver...
--------
Genius dies of the same blow that destroys liberty.

Re:the first distro to run this (2)

Jae (14657) | more than 13 years ago | (#529733)

don't hold me (or them) to this, but according to SuSE - they should be releasing 7.1 by the end of the month, beginning of next month w/ 2.4 as the default kernel.

i'm planning a hardware upgrade myself and would rather do a fresh install. :)

Re:Wonderful! (1)

fluxrad (125130) | more than 13 years ago | (#529739)

2.5 will be out very shortly, considering it will be the development branch of the 2.4 to 2.6 jump.

sorry to be a technical asshole. :(


FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network

What was the fuss? (1)

Emperor Cezar (106515) | more than 13 years ago | (#529740)

I've never had any problem with 2.2 and do not understand why everyone got in a fuss with 2.4 anticipation. I'm sure 2.4 is a lot better, but I't doesn't matter what kernel we are running we are still better that windows.

What does 2.4 mean to you ? (1)

rkt (9943) | more than 13 years ago | (#529741)

1) Percentage of bugs as compared to micr0s0ft windoze.
2) Number of CPUs required to run a competitor OS at the same speed.
3) Number of people who really though it was a quick release :)
4) Number of people (in billions) who have been waiting for past year.
5) Number of hardware support still missing from the kernel.
6) Number of cans of beers you need to get over the release ( for heavy drinkers, multiply by 10)
7) Number of messages linus will get per minute over the next couple of months to thank him for another release...

... NEway... I don't care what you think... I'm off to get the latest...


Re:Do you really need 2.4? (1)

theridersofrohan (241712) | more than 13 years ago | (#529742)

Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree
I think they openned the 2.3 tree a couple of days after 2.2.0 was released. After all, I've been using 2.4.0 since test12 and it's been really stable for me (not a single crash)

Re:Do you really need 2.4? (4)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 13 years ago | (#529744)

It's not "BugFree." It's just finally feature-frozen. Read Linus' email, above. Now that it's a released kernel. the API has to stop changing and the developers REALLY, ACTUALLY have to limit themselves to bugfixes. Unless they don't. :)


- - - - -

Place your bets (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 13 years ago | (#529745)

Will the next stable kernel be 2.6 or 3.0?

Sorry, no bets on the release date. :)

-jfedor

Re:Do you really need 2.4? (2)

supine (94843) | more than 13 years ago | (#529746)

Sure, stick to 2.2 for production machines that need to be solid as a rock.

But, if we want the bugs that are there to be ironed out, we need people to install this on as many *non-critical* systems as possible.

my 2.2 cents (GST included)
marty

ooo (1)

rendler (141135) | more than 13 years ago | (#529779)

Oh my it seems the mighty kernel.org CAN be slashdotted even with it's 100mbits connection.

w00t! (1)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 13 years ago | (#529781)

(Not that I actually know what "w00t" is refrenced from, I have seen it on IRC and quake so I will use it here...)

This makes my day. Cool cool. Now if AMD will only get the SMP Athlon chipset out the door my year will be made!

Does anyone out in Slashdot land have an idea on when the SMP Athlon chipset will come out? AMD keeps mentioning it but I have yet too see a projected release date.

Re:the first distro to run this (3)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 13 years ago | (#529783)

>I can't imagine ANY serious Linux distributor that will put 2.4.0 on it's new version of Linux..

Think RedHat! :)

Re:so which Linux 2.4 distribution are you using? (2)

jbridge21 (90597) | more than 13 years ago | (#529784)

My linux 2.4 distro is Slackware 7.1, with a few upgrades. I've been running 2.4.0-test3, 7, and 8 for almost the entire fall semester :-)

Although, 2.4.0 is not for me, as I also use ReiserFS, and I'm pretty sure the patch isn't out yet.

-----

Re:Linus's Email (1)

Aalschover (192621) | more than 13 years ago | (#529786)

I guess the only thing he really want's is your help.

If wi'll give him that, he 'll be happy.

no no no no no (2)

fluxrad (125130) | more than 13 years ago | (#529788)

it's 2.5.0-test1betaAalpha3.0

should be out when linus cleans out his email box from all the "j3w 4r3 s00 1337. 3y3 w4nt t0 b3 li3k j3w" junk mail he'll be recieving from copious linux zealots.

say.....august?


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  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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