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Anonymous Retaliates, Leaks Texas Police Emails

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the messing-with-texas dept.

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An anonymous reader sends word that hacking group Anonymous has breached servers and accounts belonging to "dozens" of Texas police departments, leaking emails, documents and personal information. They say the attacks are in retaliation for "the arrests of dozens of alleged Anonymous suspects," and were done in solidarity with "the 'Anonymous 16' PayPal LOIC defendants, accused LulzSec member Jake Davis 'Topiary,' protesters arrested during #OpBart actions, Bradley Manning, Stephen Watt, and other hackers and leakers worldwide." Predictably, some of the leaked emails paint an unflattering picture of internal operations at the police departments.

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The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285304)

Not for racism, bigotry, their general unprofessionalism, etc. I mean, that's kind of a given for local-level Texas cops. No, they should be for the epic level of stupidity they showed in actually *writing all that down* and *sending it in emails*.

Anyone *that* stupid probably shouldn't be trusted to operate the fry machine at McDonalds, much less be in charge of investigating crimes.

I've had some pretty dumb friends over the years who ended up becoming cops (we're talking 2+2=5 dumb), but even they knew better than to BROADCAST their incompetence for the record. I just wonder how some of these departments are supposed to collect DNA evidence when half their force thinks DNA is a rap group from the 80's. Not that every Texas cop can be Sam Deeds from Lonestar [wikipedia.org] , but geez.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (4, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285446)

Who would they hire as replacments?

I'm not an idiot, but I don't want to be a cop. You don't. I think the job attracts that sort so maybe it should be eliminated...

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286062)

Frankly, if the salary matched that of an intellectual job, I'd gladly be a cop, just to serve society and because I think I could be a lot more respectful of the people I'm supposed to serve than many cops today.

But that's the thing, we won't raise salaries for cops and as a result only uneducated idiots apply. I'd do a lot for the society I live in, but busting my ass in university to get a Master's degree and then end up doing a job that pays only 50k a year is not one of them.

Thankfully, some cops are educated, and some may not have post-grad degrees yet are still intelligent and respectful of the public they work for. But there should be many, many more cops like them.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286070)

there are people that genuinely believe in the right ideals, who are exactly the sort of people that i'd want to be a cop. there's just not enough of them.

your view of other people is shaped entirely by previous experience (and largely by yourself but that's off topic). cops see a different side of society while on the job than your average bob (bob is far cooler than joe). add to that fact that there is already this culture of us vs them within the police force which not only skews their view in the way that people act towards them, but also because of the way their colleagues act/speak about the public.

I think more so than the people that are attracted to being cops being the wrong sort of people is that the people that are attracted to them are the wrong sort of people (public and fellow force members)

There's no real soluton to this problem in the world we currently live in. it's kind of a necessary evil, and definately could be improved upon, i just don't know how.

If you seriously think the world would be a better place without law enforcement, i'd love to live in your utopian bubble.

anarchy breeds tyranny. if you can come up with a system without cops that would work for a society of more than say 60 people (excluding orwellian or huxley nightmare dystopian futures) i'm all ears. and you probably deserve a nobel prize.

Note: i am not a cop, related to a cop, or friends with a cop. my judgements are based on my life experience and working in a job dealing with the general public (complaints to be specific)

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (5, Funny)

Stellian (673475) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286088)

Who would they hire as replacments?

Especially someone with the same level of commitment to getting the job done. I mean, this guy lives and breaths law enforcement. Listen to him go :

"... Same with that pervert that got shot by the county. Fuck that guy, see ya. That all sounds like good police work to me. Those folks got the criminal cure. It's guaranteed, they will never commit a crime again."

Ever heard a programmer put so much passion ? "Great job punching that project manager in the face, he finally got what it fucking deserved. I swear if catch him messing around here again with his fancy schedule and Gantt charts, not letting us code and shit, I'm stab him with my stapler !"

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

ixtapa (903468) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286340)

Who would they hire as replacments?

Off topic, but this is the same problem with firing all the bad teachers. Economic down spells aside, talented folk look elsewhere for careers. Both professions would benefit from some incentivization.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286364)

Hell, I'm in graduate school for political science and I've been applying for local police jobs in and around Atlanta. APD starting salary for someone with a Master's degree is something like $44,000. Pretty much every other job opening I can find that I am qualified for in the area starts at something around $30,000. In Atlanta, $44,000 a year goes a long way, especially if you're single.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285476)

I have family in law enforcement, and many cops are just basically your average kids who go to police academy instead of higher education. They graduate and they're still your average kids- now with guns and badges. Whether they become good, honorable men/women is still up to them and many won't. Many will be hired by departments that will make it nearly impossible to be honorable and still have a career. Don't ever think they're the best of the best or that they were thinking of your safety when they took the job. I'm thankful for the good ones and I'm thankful I don't have to deal with some of the stuff they do, but if you look behind the uniform you'll often find the same idiot you'd find in the next cubicle where you work.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (5, Insightful)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285704)

Whether they become good, honorable men/women is still up to them and many won't.

If they conceal the misdeeds of their fellow cops -- they're just as bad as they are. And if they're ignorant of those misdeeds... they aren't smart enough to be cops. The whole structure is corrupt, top to bottom. We'll know it isn't when the bad apples start getting thrown out. That hasn't started in any serious way, nor do I expect it to.... because the whole structure is corrupt, top to bottom.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286152)

This is true...

The thing that occasionally makes law enforcement unique among professions is when it is not corrupt and has a top-bottom culture of dedication. Then it tends to bring out the best in those average kids. When you get in and discover the whole place is just covering up everything that goes on, you just become another part of the problem. How do you handle institutionalized human corruption? No one's figured that one out yet. :)

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285944)

but if you look behind the uniform you'll often find the same idiot you'd find in the next cubicle where you work

ya except the guy in the next cube doesn't have a tazer, a gun, and immunity to use them at will

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (2)

jimicus (737525) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286092)

A job for two who are now of job age, you might say?

You talk about stupidity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285506)

And then make egregious grammatical errors in your post. So, tell me: what is 80 possessing, exactly?

Re:You talk about stupidity (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285680)

People who are really intelligent know to evaluate based on content, not form. Grammar nazi's, by contrast, are just autistics who've managed to find a dictionary.

So their, put *that* in you're pipe and smoke it.

Re:You talk about stupidity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285782)

"Grammar nazi's, by contrast, are just autistics who've managed to find a dictionary."

No, people who care about grammar care about language and prefer to see it used well.

Idiots like you, on the other hand, should be sterilized.

Re:You talk about stupidity (1, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285858)

You must be so much fun at parties.

Re:You talk about stupidity (1)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286186)

People who are really intelligent know to evaluate based on content, not form. Grammar nazi's, by contrast, are just autistics who've managed to find a dictionary.

So their, put *that* in you're pipe and smoke it.

People who are really intelligent should also understand that snarky, sarcastic, or otherwise offensive responses never help. Why should someone endure a certain "content"? Most people are not *that* important/relevant.

Re:You talk about stupidity (2)

amaupin (721551) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286192)

People who are really intelligent know to evaluate based on content, not form. Grammar nazi's, by contrast, are just autistics who've managed to find a dictionary.

If you can't spell or read, demonstrating your ignorance to others does you no favors. That doesn't mean you're unintelligent, but it's difficult to evaluate content when the form is wrong. Imagine someone you just met ejecting spittle in your face during a conversation because they haven't yet learned how to speak. Sure, maybe their message is fine, but you'd probably rather talk to someone else.

Re:You talk about stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286318)

People who are intelligent also know how to assess the credibility of the written word by judging its origin. And for written communication, form is the primary source with which we can judge the author's general education level.

Credibility may not mattter on an open, faceless forum such as this, but it matters anywhere else: job applications, marketing, politics (the real one, not US-style), law. Hence, form also conveys social status.

Last but not least, failure to write correctly is just rude. More often than not, spelling or grammatical errors leave ambiguitites in a text that require the reader to expend more energy to discern the intended meaning of a text. So, even from an economic point of view, it's suboptimal: should the effort of correct communication be with one person (the source) or with many (the recipients)? Assuming only thousand people read these comments (a conservative estimate I might hope), that means the reader's time is a thousand times more valuable than the writer's.

So their, put *that* in you're pipe and smoke it.

classy :)

Re:You talk about stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285690)

Right, because a few minor grammar errors puts you in the same league as mouth breathers. Talk about stupidity, look at yourself pedant.

Re:You talk about stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285766)

I sure hope "egregious" was meant as hyperbole here - otherwise, this is like hanging a person for a crime he didn't commit, then calling the incorrect number of turns on the noose an "egregious error."

Re:You talk about stupidity (1)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286182)

did you ever consider that English isn't everyone's first language.
write a post with actual content in another language without spelling or grammatical errors and hey i wouldn't really give a shit because i'll judge it based on what's important, you know - it's content.

but anyway - way good counter argument you made there - woo i can really see your point. oh wait i must have hallucinated that because you don't have one.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285538)

A lot of uneducated or undereducated people seem to hate the police, it's obvious why. Try living without them. If your in a situation where you need help who are you going to call? Anonymous or a cop?

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285710)

If I'm black or Muslim in Friendswood, Texas, I might be better off just calling a friend with a gun.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285752)

Not one, not two, but three whole logical fallacies in less than a paragraph. That must be some sort of record.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

tha_mink (518151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286194)

Hrm. I see the false dichotomy, I could give you the Ad Hominem I guess, but I'm missing the third.

Oh yeah... sure... call a cop (4, Informative)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285778)

If your(sic) in a situation where you need help who are you going to call? Anonymous or a cop?

Yes, because when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away. And when they do get there, they're actually pretty likely to arrest the victim. I've seen this personally more than once. Then there are these little techniques they use... you're upset, they lure you outside "c'mon, let's just step outside" and as soon as you're out your door, you're arrested for disturbing the peace. Yeah, don't fall for that one. Well, there is a silver lining. They're usually not quite as corrupt as our politicians and judges, and individual cops do a lot less harm than individual politicians and judges.

Re:Oh yeah... sure... call a cop (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285870)

Ya gotta love a down-mod for simply telling the truth. Slashdot moderation... hilarious. I read at -1, idiots. Your moderation is meaningless to me.

Re:Oh yeah... sure... call a cop (1)

syockit (1480393) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286090)

Not to you, but it is not meaningless to others. Many read at 1 or 2, so your comment won't get read. Which is not a big deal to you if you never intended for it to be read.

Or is that a whooshing sound I'm hearing because I'm not getting the joke?

Re:Oh yeah... sure... call a cop (2)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286346)

Yeah, I'm just trolling the moderators. Whoever it was was so stupid as to mod down my comment, they probably can't work out how moderation actually works anyway.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285636)

And yeah embarrassing people like that just makes them all calm an rational...

They thought this is going to stop the police from looking into their actions?! Uh no. This is just going to galvanize them.

You dont poke the shark with a cattle prod. The shark is stupid as hell, mean as hell, and BITES.

I'm sorry but exposing those emails was grade A stuuuuuuuuuuupid.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285798)

You honestly think there is a single cop in Texas... no, wait... in the entire USA, smart enough to backwalk a chain of proxies? lol. Just.... lol.

The CIA hasn't done it... the FBI hasn't done it... Interpol hasn't done it... believe me, patrolman Bubba Powermad McHomophobe isn't going to do it either.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (3, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285666)

They just suspended a cop here in Madison, WI the other day for illegally downloading the movie Hall Pass while he was on duty...not only did he download it on the police computer, but he got a virus in the process which he then tried to remove himself and obviously failed because, honestly, anyone that doesn't know how to even pirate a movie safely at this point sure as shit can't remove a virus...

Best and brightest they are not.

I went to school in Georgia, and I can pretty much tell you, the entire student body fell into one of two camps after graduation: Those that went to college (about 25%) and those that went into the military and/or Law Enforcement. You can probably guess which group had higher GPAs and SAT/ACT scores. It certainly gives me the warm and fuzzies knowing the guys that used to get their jollies beating up on Freshmen and drinking beer in the parking lot are now police officers...

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285716)

Not for racism, bigotry, their general unprofessionalism, etc. I mean, that's kind of a given for local-level Texas cops. No, they should be for the epic level of stupidity they showed in actually *writing all that down* and *sending it in emails*.

Depends. Did they receive or send the chain emails. A cop receiving one is no different than reading /. and seeing a GNAA troll post on the screen as you scroll through the thread. Not his fault his buddies are dickbags. It's the cops sending them, that's a nother story.

It's been said that 99% of cops give the other 1% a bad name. That's obvious hyperbole.

But this is the first time the world has a sufficiently-large dataset to find out just what percentage of cops are professionals, and what percentage are merely roid-raging dickbags with a license to kill. It'd be very interesting to do some basic datamining by counting the From: headers in the dataset (that is, the set of unique email addresses that correspond to LEO domains) and comparing it with the set of unique email addresses who sent offending emails from LEO domains.

(As for the roid-raging, if some of them were dumb enough to use their work accounts for online dating, I wonder how many cops are dumb enough to email orders for illegal steroids from the same account...)

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285828)

this is the first time the world has a sufficiently-large dataset to find out just what percentage of cops are professionals

That's actually an interesting idea. I wonder what the ethical implications would be if a university researcher proposed this. I know there are pretty serious restrictions on using human subjects in research. I wonder if using illegaly-obtained data, even if widely publicly available, would be disallowed. Probably would, but still could be interesting for someone doing private research.

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285866)

Other questionable content includes the use of homophobic language, and this request for the Texan chiefs to investigate an officer's affair with a married woman. Tax dollars at work:

From: Doug Lauersdorf Sent: Thu 9/16/2010 10:06 AM To: Bob Wieners; Luke Loeser Cc: Subject: Complainant Attachments: View As Web Page Chiefs: I conducted a preliminary inquiry into information received from Detective Price who received a call from Mr. Clements wanting us to know that one of our officers on midnight shift was having an affair with his wife. He also complained that the officer had run his criminal history. I asked KC to contact DPS to research their database to ascertain any person(s) that had ran his information to obtain information from any of the following: CCH, TDL, NCIC, TCIC, SETCIC, etc. The search revealed that the only person with the Friendswood Police Department that had run him was Elaine who had ran the information at KCâ€s direction at my request. This matter is mute until the time comes when he initiates the complaint process and provides us with the officerâ€s name. Sergeant Douglas E. Lauersdorf

I'm just not seeing the homophobic language here. Am I missing something (besides moot/mute)?

Re:Maybe I haven't had enough coffee... (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286184)

Yeah, I'm kinda wondering: if those three emails were the worst they found (true, the first two are kinda bad), then the picture painted is really not all that bad. The email you quoted seemed to be a police officer doing his job properly more or less properly (a police officer running a criminal background check for personal reasons would be corruption).

True, there are a lot of emails to go through, but I rather strongly suspect Anon put the very worst at the beginning (makes sense as a tactic), and if that is the worst they have, then, well, try again Anon.

And that's all assuming none of the evidence is faked, because it's not like email isn't the absolute easiest evidence to falsify (and yes, Anon would do that.) But hey, don't let me interrupt the /. police hating parade.

Re:Maybe I haven't had enough coffee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286230)

I was confused too, poorly written sentence I would say. It claims there are homophobic messages, but then in the same sentence references this e-mail about the investigation into an officer's affair. Probably should have been two sentences or at least included the homophobic e-mail.

Cheers

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (2)

esocid (946821) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285992)

But 2+2 does = 5, for large values of 2.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286164)

My dad is a cop (granted, he's in a major city and also exceptionally tech-savvy for a Baby Boomer) and he's always having issues with other cops not being able to handle technology. I remember he was livid one time because a coworker manager to blow out every single outlet in their (very expensive) surveillance van while trying to recharge a freaking camera (also for surveillance). They're also constantly junking up their computers with God knows how many viruses. Most of the smart cops eventually leave for the suburbs or private sector.

Still, you've have to remember, most people who have skills like that prefer to work in safer, less soul-sucking jobs. It's rough trying to attract intelligent people to the force, especially as the government is taking away more and more of the perks (eg: you work around guns and sirens your whole career, but hearing aids are not covered by the health insurance plan). I'm not saying it's a good thing to have cops who don't know what they're doing but how many valedictorians do you know want to be cops when they graduate? Sure, you get some guys who want to give back to their community and whatnot but there aren't enough of them to power a police force.

Re:The cops who wrote those emails should be fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286344)

wow, swing and a miss... so not fired because they're racist pigs, but because they couldn't hide the fact from the public...
Let's fix the problem by hiding it!
u trolling son?

Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1, Insightful)

Xemu (50595) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285370)

Stop glorifying criminal acts. What these people calling themselves Anonymous are doing are crimes. As IT professionals and geeks, we do not endorse crime. We hate crime.
I find it is absolutely horrendous that crime seems to be regarded as justified by some, just because it is IT crime. Crime is crime--if you want to change society, you do live in a democracy and are supposed to change it by voting. Crime is not OK.
Stop crime!

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285434)

Stop crime? Start with the actions of law enforcement individuals themselves

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (0)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285440)

if you want to change society, you do live in a democracy and are supposed to change it by voting.

Gotcha.
*votes for Obama*
*stands by helplessly as wages fall while the government demonstrates its only competence to be launching cruise missiles*

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285496)

I obviously don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect if everyone had pulled the lever for McCain your last line would remain the same.

Or if it had been Clinton in Obama's place, or any of the republicans who's names I don't recall.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (2)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285526)

Or any politician whatsoever. And it's not limited to USA.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (4, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285552)

I wasn't quite clear enough, but that's exactly my point. Obama (and the Democratic congress) has been indistinguishable from Bush and the Republican congress. People vote for either of the electable choices and get the same result; the system is completely broken. It shocks me that anyone suggests participating in American electoral politics as a way of making a dent in anything.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (3, Insightful)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285738)

It shocks me that anyone suggests participating in American electoral politics as a way of making a dent in anything.

It is a way of making a dent, but a system which is badly broken can't be fixed in a single election. Just voting isn't enough for that either - you really need to get into the parties and reform them, or build alternatives to them. Which would take decades.

Note though: there is no alternative to doing that. Even if you had a revolution suddenly - at best you'd get a better election system and maybe all lobbyists thrown in jail, but you'd still need to build working democratic structures, you'd still need to find halfway decent representatives.

So you might as well start now: vote in the primaries, vote in local elections, stand for political positions or support decent people who do.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286224)

It shocks me that anyone suggests participating in American electoral politics as a way of making a dent in anything.

Kinda like the people saying "vote with your wallet", especially as regards ISPs with local monopolies, boycotting Walmart when there's literally nowhere else to shop within an hour's drive, Big Oil...

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285682)

if you want to change society, you do live in a democracy and are supposed to change it by voting.

Gotcha. *votes for Obama* *stands by helplessly as wages fall while the government demonstrates its only competence to be launching cruise missiles*

And right there is your problem. Someone says that if you want to change society, vote and your thought is the only office that makes a difference is that of President. When, in fact, you can cause greater change by changing who your Township supervisors are, or your state legislator, or your Congressman. Changing things does not happen in 4 years or 8 years, it takes a long time.
As an example, in England, William Wilberforce began working towards the abolition of the slave trade and of slavery in 1787, Parliament did not outlaw the slave trade until 1807. Slavery was not abolished until 1834, just days before his death. Changing things takes time and commitment, not just showing up at the ballot box every four years.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

IgnoramusMaximus (692000) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286146)

Changing things takes time and commitment, not just showing up at the ballot box every four years.

That is why most people see a 60-year "investment" to change things "within the system" (with less than 10% chance for positive outcome) to be more like something a desperate gambler-junkie with uncontrollable withdrawal shakes would do, rather then a rational being capable of calculating of effort/risk/reward ratios.

This is also why "participation" in this so-called "democracy" declines year after year.

I don't know what the solution to this problem is but clearly neither voting for Bought-and-paid-for Stooge A versus Bought-and-paid-for Stooge B nor "working for change against all odds to die just before anything comes out of it (or not)" for 60 years seem very logical to me.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285466)

Here's a hint: not all laws are just, and not all laws should be obeyed.

Part of the reason the police are so effective is they have no problem breaking the law to see their goals met. Is it illegal to retaliate against the police in this way? Certainly. Is it immoral? In my opinion, not by a long shot. This isn't restricted to "cyber-crime" either. If a cop murders someone unjustly and gets away with no punishment (like usual), do I shed a tear if his victim's family takes his life in revenge? Of course not.

The concept of justice transcends law.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285470)

Speak for yourself, geek. Crimes are what government deems illegal, not what is morally right or wrong. Some (not you, clearly) prefer to re-evaluate and challenge the integrity and sense behind laws, especially those that do more harm than good.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285482)

I'm not sure if it was intentional but it seems as though you've stumbled upon why this is happening. If voting was that effective to create change the state of things would flux wildly on a regular basis. Instead we get a steady decrease in standards and a steady increase in laws and nothing up top ever changes, save for the constant decline in liability and the level of concern to conceal foul deeds. These are pretty much the precise ingredients required to incite the public to rebel, riot or otherwise "fight back." Unfortunately the bread and circuses are working very well for most of society, so, without a critical mass of people ready to storm the capital with pitchforks in hand we have a very small handful of dedicated individuals doing whatever they possibly can. Voting doesn't work--and that's even if you believe that voting is even real on the higher level of this supposed democracy.

In theory I agree with you whole heartedly, I'm sure everyone here does...in theory. Communism also works, in theory.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (2)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285490)

I would like to vote against crime, as I hate it too, although I don't fancy entering your country to do it. Voting in my country is a complete waste of time because the Lords and Elite do not, and can not represent my wishes.

Your police have a nasty habit of shooting "fat black bitches" and anyone else that they feel needs the "criminal cure". Are you going to stick up for them?

Who polices the police? Anon have stepped up to the plate and they should be welcomed as no one else is brave enough to do it.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286360)

Our police are actually much more likely to shoot, beat, or taze black and Hispanic men than "fat black bitches". Not saying they won't shoot a black woman either, but generally speaking they will tend to view black men in particular as enemies, regardless of who they are and what they are doing.

And obviously a black man has a much worse chance of getting shot than a pretty white girl doing the exact same thing.

Crime? No, ethics. (5, Insightful)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285494)

I heard you say the word crime a lot. But technically, what Google does is a crime in China. In the US, media tried to show that Google's Canadian Pharmacy advertisements, which was a crime in the US, make Google look evil. But if you have half a notion about health care, there is a greater argument that it is actually ethical.

What makes something unethical simply because it is a crime? Any idiotic idea can become a crime, like blasphemy laws in Iran. So saying your against crime has to have an underlying ethic of which laws you support, and which you yourself would break under certain circumstances.

Let's stick to ethics, and leave crime to politicians. We can argue the ethics, but really, crime is not crime. Saying otherwise, you validate every law ever made everywhere.

Re:Crime? No, ethics. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285588)

Exactly, law is not grounded in morality. While I may not agree with what the hackers do, and frankly, I haven't really been paying much attention to it, atleast not enough to pass my moral judgment on them. Commiting a crime does not make one immoral, and being immoral is not a crime.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285568)

Anonymous is stopping crime, starting with the criminals in power.

Rosa Parks? (1)

sidragon.net (1238654) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285574)

Did she ever act unlawfully?

Re:Rosa Parks? (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286122)

What - racism isn't against the law? How about homophobia? Police corruption?

And never mind laws. How do we feel about discrimination of these kinds in general? Now what do we do about broken laws? Do we change them?

How can we prove she broke the law? We look at her emails. Tough luck. If I were living in a fair and just society, based on morale judgements and an actual concept of the meaning of justice, I'd expect to be abe to do this and for her to do the same for me.

As it is, my emails are private, thank you very much, no thanks Sir Sniff-alot, but if the era was ushered in I'd be the first to say this (and volunteer).

Sometimes most of us write things we'll regret, but on this scale and in the hands of a person with that amount of power (and disgusting motivations) we need to remove her.

As for the naughty things I write to my boyfriend using my personal domain, they're embarassing but harmless. I'd consider it a fair trade, if someone needed to check my logs if I went missing in an asteroid... everybody watching everybody's back.

</utopia<

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285600)

You must live under a pretty damn big rock to be so ignorant. Democracy thus far is a huge failure. Votes with the ballot don't matter when all the megacorps vote with their dollars. In this world money > votes any day of the week, and that's the sad truth.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (4, Insightful)

flaming error (1041742) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285604)

Not sure if this is intended to be funny.

If not, I take it you are no supporter of Mohandas Gandhi.

"Crime is not OK" is a terribly naive statement. Often it is the law itself that "is not OK."

When voting doesn't work, those who "want to change society" have three choices:
  1) submission to tyrants;
  2) civil disobedience;
  3) armed insurrection.

Which of those you find more "OK" is up to you. But breaking a law may often be more honorable than submitting to tyranny.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (2)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286238)

1) submission to tyrants;

  2) civil disobedience;

  3) armed insurrection.

As someone outside the US I'm highly jealous that you lot have option 3. It's a really bad option but it's better to have it then be under the jackboot of a government that knows only they have the guns.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285920)

That's it go hide your head in the sand. Essentially what you're saying is that it's allright for the police (who we trust to enforce the law justly without malice) to act like a bunch of stupid racist pigs. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. if groups like Lulzsec and Anonymous instill fear in law enforcement and corporations then they serve a purpose. You or I could not do that by ourselves.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285952)

Hm...I sense a Gowdin moment about to happen.

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285990)

Crime is crime--if you want to change society, you do live in a democracy and are supposed to change it by voting.

Given the nature of our government today, I'd be willing to argue that the crime is far more effective. Especially considering that we're stuck in a two party system and the cost of mounting an effective campaign is much too high for any real independents to ever win without aligning themselves to one of the two parties and toeing the party line.

Change from within is not going to happen because the only people that have the power to change the system directly benefit from the way it is now. If Anonymous forces the government to clamp down and turn the US into a corporate controlled police state, and that drives more people to fight the state because of it, then the end goal has still been achieved.

Preaching for change through democracy nowadays is about as effective as preaching for change in business by "voting with your wallet." The companies most often complained about are now so large, and have access to such cheaply made goods, that in order to be effective the boycott would have to be on a scale that's almost impossible to achieve, and that ignores the fact that in large swaths of the country there aren't even any realistic alternatives (unless you consider driving 40 minutes past your local Walmart to find a non-Walmart grocery store a realistic alternative, for instance). Ditto for the ISPs that hold local monopolies. Ditto for Big Oil which holds the U.S. by the balls.

Either way, being accused of criminal acts by a government that routinely engages in it's own criminal acts against, not only it's own citizenry, but the world at large is certainly some God-tier state-sponsored trolling. They must be in it for the lulz, too...

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286076)

if you want to change society, you do live in a democracy and are supposed to change it by voting.

The politicians are all corrupt and in the pocket of big business. The really stupid people form a big enough voting block to ensure that nothing really changes. The differences between all major political parties are tiny, none want real change but they will lie about it to get votes.

What can voting change when you are out numbered 49 to 1 by people who will vote for whoever spends the most on marketing?

How can any fairer system of proportional representation ever get put in place when whoever is ruling have a vesting interest in keeping it out?

Re:Put an end to the crime and criminal supporters (1)

psiclops (1011105) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286460)

so which of the two puppets do i vote for to get change?

run myself? third party?
sorry but the US political system is so extremely flawed that it is impossible for anyone other than reps of the two main party's to get a position of power. and will remain that way until something drastic (as in far more drastic than anything that's happened in the history of your country - including the civil war, cause same circumstances now that wouldn't happen.)

yeah australia's also pretty much stuck with our two puppets but at least with preferential and mandatory voting(the two things that i believe make our system the best in the world*) there's some sort of hope for change.

as an aside revolutions are sometimes necessary(that's the whole purpose of the second amendment, when i realised this was the reason for it i changed my stance completely), and i feel a major global revolution brewing quite possibly a failed one, but time will tell.

*i don't actually know a whole lot about every other system. feel free to enlighten me :)

SELL !! SELL !! SELL !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285376)

Sell now !! Get the fuck out !! NOW !!

Retaliates? (4, Insightful)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285420)

Since when does Anonymous not just act because it can? Does it really need a reason?

Re:Retaliates? (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285628)

Agreed, it just another excuse for doing what they're doing. They would have done this eventually anyway, it's just low-hanging fruit. If they wanted to retaliate they should be going after the British, Turkish, and German police. They probably can't.

If they want to "contribute", then they expose something juicy just to get the public at large: Area 51, Big Oil's hidden secret plans for a highly-efficient automobile engine, DeBeers price fixing scheme, or Berlusconi's love life.

Re:Retaliates? (1)

Kamiza Ikioi (893310) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286014)

Or as Obama said, the big issues... the faked moon landing and what really happened to Biggie and TuPac. ;)

Re:Retaliates? (1)

David89 (2022710) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286222)

or Berlusconi's love life.

Wouldn't take them long, they just have to turn on Italian TV news

Re:Retaliates? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285654)

I see you've found something to complain about, carry on.

Re:Retaliates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286144)

I see trying to use a meme. Would you like help?

* Help me use more memes, like Clippy.
* Post ironically as Anonymous Coward to an Anonymous story.
[] Don't show this me tip again.

Re:Retaliates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285660)

Does it really need a reason?

The reason has been, is and always shall be, lulz. And judging from the samples shown on Gizmodo, plenty to be had.

Re:Retaliates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285912)

You are thinking of the lolz group

need sauce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285510)

moar sauce plz

PHUCK DA POLICE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285664)

ohhhhh yeahhhh....
Anonymous bringz the lulz again, and how!

Of course, messing wid da police,
in Texas,
may turn out to be lulzy in ways the are completely unprepared for.

And Texas had to this with this because...? (2)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285668)

So Bradley Manning is mistreated by the federal government. The BART protesters are badly treated (and the cell phone thing was probably illegal). Topiary was arrested in Britain. Can give a coherent ideological explanation why therefore one goes after police departments in Texas? These emails are full (unsurprisingly) of evidence of racism and corruption. So it isn't like having these out in the open is a bad thing. But let's not pretend this makes almost any sense as retaliation for previous actions against LulzSec or other individuals.

Re:And Texas had to this with this because...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285814)

Because a local Texas police department is probably, security wise, an easier target than many of the organizations responsible for the actions stated in your post. Even a rudimentary firewall will block much of the malicious traffic sent towards it, as long as it has sane rules put in place. I would suspect the Texas police departments accessed probably also have firewalls, but have gaping holes like not changing the default password (root / root or admin / blank) or leaving all the ports open and every computer visible to the outside world, or even never patching the software so known patched vulnerabilities are easily exploited.

Re:And Texas had to this with this because...? (1)

quarterbuck (1268694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285902)

Coherent, No. Response, apparently.
From their post For every defendant in the anonymous "conspiracy" we are attacking two top Texas police chiefs, leaking 3GB of their private emails and attachments.

Re:For the lulz (2)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286388)

For the lulz, and probably Texas was the biggest system they could get into quickly. There is little need to ask why they do things. It's a mob mentality.

-lulz
-low hanging fruit
-opportunity
-someone probably got a speeding ticket in texas once
-random

Pick one or more things on or off the list above, and there's your reason.

Re:And Texas had to this with this because...? (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286450)

Cuz fuck texas, thats why!

That police chief will be losing their job... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285806)

Groups like anonymous don't appear for no reason. They appear because of unrest and anger. They come about due to poor leadership, injustice and general bullshit occurring. Anonymous is idealism that is a new level of borderline terrorism. There's a big difference here... noone is being shot, or killed. They are being exposed for what they truly are and now get to pay the price.

As a Texan, I am miffed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37285808)

We may have cops who don't play by the rules but they are OUR cops, OUR friends and family, OUR fellow Texans.

Texans don't take kindly to outsiders meddling in our internal affairs!

Re:As a Texan, I am miffed (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286232)

Texans as a whole, are fucking retards. Please leave our union and never come back. You will not be missed. Take your obesity, racism, and general ignorant "texan attitude" and die in a fucking hole. Not you specifically, I mean all texans. Please fuck off and die.

Sincerely,
Everyone else on the planet

Re:As a Texan, I am miffed (1)

FlyingGuy (989135) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286262)

Well perhaps if you DID take care of the ones who don't play by the rules by firing their asses people might think a bit more highly of you.

As long as your attitude is, "Oh billy Bob, he's just a good ol boy and even if he did beat that fellow a little while he was cuffed to bench so fucking what the nigger had it coming" then people will still look at you like a bunch of red necked idiots that we don't want in the gene pool.

Re:As a Texan, I am miffed (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286304)

Does Texas complain loudly when the US messes about in the internal affairs of other countries?

Turnabout is fair play.

We need Anon more than ever. (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#37285924)

I for one am glad they are out there.

Re:We need Anon more than ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286462)

Ditto.

It's coming (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286020)

See... It's going to happen like this. The law is not going to be discouraged by a defacement and some leaks. And anonymous will in turn start leaking info on informers. Which will get some informants or their families or other innocents killed. Then at that point murder charges apply to all that are part of it.. This is what happens in a game of tit for tat. The law is not that bozo from HB Gary. You can take down the police website, but they will still be out there trying to stop the perv from taking your 5 yr old, giving the accident victim cpr in a desperate attempt to save their life, and making sure your family is reasonable safe. But anon wants to be the prankster... Don't see much difference from the people that call 911 to get a ride to the CVS. It distracts the 98% of good cops from getting their job done.

Yeah there are corrupt cops... but there are corrupt politicians, and corrupt salesmen, and corrupt insurance guys, and corrupt software developers, and corrupt CEOs and corrupt ministers... but that gives the other 98% a bad name doesn't it?

Re:It's coming (1)

dalias (1978986) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286324)

With cops, "the other 98%" are nowhere near innocent; they are guilty of covering the asses of the 2% committing atrocities. Although I suspect the numbers are closer to 70/30 or even 50/50.

terrorism (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286082)

Simply put they are acting like terrorists!

Let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286170)

"We stand up for free speech, but don't like your message, so we will hack/deface your site."

"We breached government websites and distributed personal information because we don't agree with the policy put in place by elected officials that represent the constituants of the city/state, and even though we have broken the law (which is put in place for good reason), we should not be arrested if caught. We want to have our cake and eat it too. Because we are Anonymous, and what we think is right. If you don't agree with what we think you are wrong and we will hack your site/network/life until you agree with us."

Absolutely disgusting.

Does Anon realize (1)

theJML (911853) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286234)

Does Anon realize that retaliation legitimises the captures of those people? I mean, as I see it, if there was a shred of doubt before that these people were part of Anon, retaliation just advertised that the belief was correct and those people are guilty of being part of the organization... I'm all about pointing out corruption and opening up closed doors when there are problems behind them, but keep getting sloppy like this Anon and it's going to be hard to find supporters in the future.

Re:Does Anon realize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37286412)

if i protest against guatanamo does that make me a terrorist? You sound like a fox news pundit... "if you aren't with us, you are against us!"

Anonymous are Cowards... (1)

alex67500 (1609333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286396)

Everybody on /. knows Anonymous Cowards.

Still need to remain objective on this (4, Insightful)

nharmon (97591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37286448)

I don't get it. The gizmodo article does a good job to show how some of the e-mails paint a really bad picture of certain police officials. But then it includes this as an example of a "request for the Texan chiefs to investigate an officer's affair with a married woman", and comments that this is "tax dollars at work"...

From: Doug Lauersdorf
Sent: Thu 9/16/2010 10:06 AM
To: Bob Wieners; Luke Loeser
Subject: Complainant

Chiefs:

I conducted a preliminary inquiry into information received from Detective Price who received a call from Mr. Clements wanting us to know that one of our officers on midnight shift was having an affair with his wife. He also complained that the officer had run his criminal history. I asked KC to contact DPS to research their database to ascertain any person(s) that had ran his information to obtain information from any of the following: CCH, TDL, NCIC, TCIC, SETCIC, etc. The search revealed that the only person with the Friendswood Police Department that had run him was Elaine who had ran the information at KCÃââs direction at my request. This matter is mute until the time comes when he initiates the complaint process and provides us with the officerÃââs name.

Sergeant Douglas E. Lauersdorf

Ok, Gizmodo. You were spot on with the other e-mails, but this does not at all fit into your story. For starters, it is not a request, but rather a report. Second, the investigation was on the improper use of police computer files, not the marital affair.

See, use of police databases for personal reasons is a major no-no. And suspicions of such conduct is almost always looked into.

In this particular instance, the effort was suspended because they did not know which particular officer was being accused. Had they known, they could have looked specifically at his search history (for say, misspelled names of the complainant).

Anyway, the racist and other unprofessional e-mails should cause heads to roll. But in this last case I see nothing improper. Except that it is "moot", not "mute", Sgt Lauersdorf. :)

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