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Lenovo Claims Samsung Galaxy Tab Sold Just 20,000

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the time-for-a-fire-sale dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Andrew Barrow, director of consumer products for Lenovo Western Europe, claims that the original Galaxy Tab only sold 20,000 out of one million shipped. He goes on to say Samsung was 'channel stuffing' in order to generate publicity and become known as a major Android tablet manufacturer."

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Oh hi Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295700)

At least we know who's for sale!

History repeats itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295702)

The latest "iPod/iPhone/iPad-killer" turns out to be a flop. Once competitors actually brings something new to the market instead of another clone, maybe they will get somewhere. So far, nobody can do it.

Re:History repeats itself (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295728)

Who's cloning who? And who's the competitors again? Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen? Go read a history book, fanboy. And scrape that tattoo off your arm.

Re:History repeats itself (2, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | about 3 years ago | (#37295784)

Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?

Name the prior ones. Describe them. Were they decent multi-touch? Touch at all or just stylus? What kind of processor? What OS? What resolution & color depth screen? How thick? How heavy? Battery life? What was the price? How many apps were available?

Uh-huh, I thought so.

Re:History repeats itself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296014)

yo mama is multi touch. i touched the inside of her vag with my big black cock. at the same time i squeezes her titties. multi. touch.

yes it had to be a black cock. it's like a tree trunk man. she can take it. she can take it all.

Re:History repeats itself (3, Insightful)

starkat2k (2353628) | about 3 years ago | (#37296052)

Yes, this is still an Apple product, but I still have a Newton MessagePad. The Newton platform was released in the mid-80's and was somewhat of a failed experiment. I ain't no Apple fanboy, but I still think of the Newton as revolutionary, and some of the concepts used in its OS would make sense to take a look at these days, such as the handwriting recognition. But also, back in the 'early days' Microsoft did have a tablet device, that failed due to a combination of poor support and hardware limitations, similar to the Newton's demise. I see the success of the iPad as simply the first point in history where the hardware is powerful enough to compensate for poor development and code; couple this with better understanding of the hardware and better coding, and you have a device that finally works more than it fails. So what that there's no current true competitors? It's just a matter of time, we're just at the point where this technology is starting to really take off after a couple of previous aborted attempts. If the market requests tablet computing as the next 'big thing', we'll see more than just the Apple devices soon enough.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 3 years ago | (#37296228)

I had a Newton. The handwriting recognition was pretty darn good as I recall. You had to use a stylus, but hey, in the day, it was to beat the band.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

Cheech Wizard (698728) | about 3 years ago | (#37296308)

Same here. I still have mine. Admittedly I don't use it these days. Handwriting recognition was never a big problem for me. I thought all the bitching about how poor it was back then was just a matter of people's expectations (with a lot of Apple haters, most of which probably never even used one) thrown in. Considering the hardware available back then, I think the Newton was quite amazing.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 3 years ago | (#37296378)

Vaughn Bode fan, excellent...

Re:History repeats itself (1)

Cheech Wizard (698728) | about 3 years ago | (#37296728)

Yup - I'm a "child of the 60's" and got turned on to Bode's works in the National Lampoon magazine in the early 1970's. I had a subscription to the mag for quite a few years. "Da Hat" - RIP - 1975 at age 33.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 years ago | (#37296256)

Actually Lenovo did some tablet versions of its laptops. The X40 and X60. Pentium mobile based, 12" screen, windows xp.

Re:History repeats itself (4, Insightful)

VirginMary (123020) | about 3 years ago | (#37296622)

windows xp

And that's where the epic fail resided before Apple came out with the iPad! An OS wholly unsuited for a tablet device! Only the tight integration of OS and hardware that Apple provided is what made a tablet computer a useful! Yes, not for all the same things as a laptop, but, partially the same things and some other things for which a laptop is not ideally suited, such as reading or watching video on a plane. I love my MacBook Pro, especially with MacPorts giving me a lot of the unix-y command-line tools that I love, but I would never use it or even a much smaller laptop (mine is 17") to replace my iPad for my lengthy bus rides or even on my plane rides. And yes, for me it is primarily a media consumption device and fantastic web browser. (I know, no Flash, and good riddance to it, too!) But, so what? The right thing for the right job is what I say. It may not work for you and I don't see it replacing my laptop for a long time, or even ever, but I get about 2 hours of solid use out of it every week day and for non-geeks, I am a programmer, it may well work as the only device they need. Especially when paired with a bluetooth keyboard.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

Idbar (1034346) | about 3 years ago | (#37296368)

For a long time I've been fan of tablets. And I always wanted the TZ series from HP. Despite the battery life, counting that it runs Windows, you get far more apps that necessary.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 3 years ago | (#37295786)

First? no.... First commercialy successful tablet? absolutely

Re:History repeats itself (4, Insightful)

grumling (94709) | about 3 years ago | (#37296082)

Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu. They've been making tablets for decades now. Most of them run Windows (either CE or X86), resistive touch or custom stylus.

They aren't sexy, but every 7-11 in the country (world?) has at least one for inventory control. People use them for work, not watching movies, so I guess they don't count.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

bmo (77928) | about 3 years ago | (#37296216)

Niche product is niche product.

I suppose you could call a Telxon a handheld computer too. But it's a niche product too.

So no, Fujitsu's tablets aren't general purpose enough to count.

--
BMO

Re:History repeats itself (4, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37296238)

Consumer goods are a niche product.

Ever buy anything from Agilent?

No?

They sell a $7 billion a year in "niche" products.

Lots of consumer companies would love that sort of revenue.

Re:History repeats itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296278)

general purpose? An iPad? No. I can't do a LOT of things on an iPad. An iPad is a niche product too.

Re:History repeats itself (1, Informative)

X.25 (255792) | about 3 years ago | (#37296442)

Niche product is niche product.

I suppose you could call a Telxon a handheld computer too. But it's a niche product too.

So no, Fujitsu's tablets aren't general purpose enough to count.

Hahaha. You are so dumb.

Re:History repeats itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295816)

This guy probably still uses BetaMax because it was first to market. Doesn't matter that VHS was more widely accepted and popular. DVD, Blu-Ray, PVR - don't use those! They are clones!. BetaMax was first - it's in the history book. Everyone should use BetaMax! Nah, just hate Apple cuz hatin' Apple is what slashdot is all about.

Re:History repeats itself (-1, Flamebait)

creat3d (1489345) | about 3 years ago | (#37295986)

Yes, people just "hate" Apple and Microsoft for no valid reasons whatsoever. It's not "hate", it's simply being objective and not a F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy).

Re:History repeats itself (0)

sortius_nod (1080919) | about 3 years ago | (#37295988)

Actually... BetaMax is far superior to VHS and always was. Professionals used BetaMax, consumers used VHS.

If you wanted to sell shows to TV stations they needed to be in BetaMax, otherwise they'd be refused.

Sorry, but your analogy is basically saying the iPad is far superior to anything else on the market, and will be until we get brain implants (tape to disc shift).

Hoisted by your own petard.

Re:History repeats itself (2)

mab (17941) | about 3 years ago | (#37296090)

The professionals used Betacam

Re:History repeats itself (1)

gmon750 (1216394) | about 3 years ago | (#37296150)

Don't burst AC-tard's bubble. In this case, the "Betamax" that he thinks is the iPad did in fact end up being the consumer's choice.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 3 years ago | (#37296088)

A far less expensive "clone" would have a shot, but currently Android tablets are not clones, they are 'alternatives'. ( not saying they are better or worse, just they are not the same and people seem to want Apples at this point )

Re:History repeats itself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296148)

by any rational, objective measure they are worse.

Re:History repeats itself (3, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#37296094)

I find Lenovos numbers quite suspect. When the Toichpad only sold 1/10 as many shipped units, Best Buy went apoplectic and demanded to ship them all back but, you are trying to tell me that when Samsung does the same, Best Buy is all cool about it and not a peep? So, where are the galaxy tabs? Sitting in best Buy's warehouse? Yeah. Sure.

wasn't aware of that term (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | about 3 years ago | (#37295716)

From Wikipedia,

Channel stuffing is the business practice where a company, or a sales force within a company, inflates its sales figures by forcing more products through a distribution channel than the channel is capable of selling to the world at large.

Sounds analogous to the common practice in the book-publishing industry of quoting "100,000 copies shipped" or whatever, which may or may not bear much relationship to how many books have been sold. In fact, some of the strange practices in book retailing, like publishers' willingness to give a credit to bookstores for unsold books without even having them returned, are in part aimed at making it easier to shovel a bunch of books down the distribution channels.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

BeShaMo (996745) | about 3 years ago | (#37295764)

Sony did the same when they launched PS3 and the sales were quite lacklustre, so they could give more impressive sales figures.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | about 3 years ago | (#37296624)

In Sony's defense, they truthfully expected the launch to have much higher demand, and the supplies to not meet said demand. They seriously overestimated the sales of the device and I cant blame them. Historically, popular consoles suffer scarcity at launch, the PS1 and PS2 included. Add to it a heavily undercut BlueRay pricing for the time and they had all the reasons.

No businessman would ever blame them, since based of research and precedents, feature sets and "packed value", they had all the reasons in the world to ship that much.

They DID lie afterwards, constantly claiming the unit was hard to find ween stores were trying to get rid of the inventory they had, but thats a different story.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 years ago | (#37296664)

Every business man in the world should be able to blame them. The price point they announced at E3 SHOOK THE WORLD. I was there when they announced it. The entire show floor gasped when they said $599.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | about 3 years ago | (#37296706)

How much did a BlueRay cost at the time, though? I myself still don't own that because I do agree: the price was insane. But had I cared at all about BlueRay, I would had considered it to be a darn good deal.

For a lot of people, the PS2 was their first DVD player. Sony thought the same would hold true for the PS3 and BlueRay. The only thing they overestimated was the population's interest in BlueRay technology. Very few actually care for it.

A good businessman should be able to spot where the error was, in retrospect. Without time travel technology, though, no one at the time would had been able to foresee how weak the BlueRay demand was.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (3, Insightful)

ge7 (2194648) | about 3 years ago | (#37295770)

Google probably has their hands in it too. Galaxy Tab is the only widely known Android tablet and they need to push the idea that someone is actually using Android in tablets. They are a marketing company after all, so they play tricks. This says more about Google and Android than about Samsung, actually.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295896)

Google probably has their hands in it too. Galaxy Tab is the only widely known Android tablet.

Never heard of the motorola xoom?

(Posted from a customized nook color)

Re:wasn't aware of that term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296060)

Clearly not!

Re:wasn't aware of that term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296510)

You're an idiot. It's well known that Google worked closely with Motorola, not Samsung, to put out the Xoom.

Samsung did this on their own, and it appears to have been paying off, because the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 is so popular that Apple is trying to get it banned.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 3 years ago | (#37295850)

some of the strange practices in book retailing, like publishers' willingness to give a credit to bookstores for unsold books without even having them returned

You only see this with mass-market paperbacks. It's not standard practice to warehouse old mass-markets, and having the bookstore destroy them makes more sense than paying to ship them back to the publisher so that the publisher can destroy them. The bookstore is required to rip off the front cover and send it back and has signed a contract that the books will be destroyed. They can be sued if the book is sold or even given away.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296118)

I like the disclaimer on books saying if you bought a book without a cover it HAS been stolen. It hasn't likely been stolen, or probably been stolen it HAS been stolen. That's the only way for the book's cover to come off, the bookstore took it off for its refund and then failed to destroy the book. It couldn't just be someone selling it second hand who didn't take care of it. That's impossible..

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | about 3 years ago | (#37296638)

Thats just one tier. Book publishers also work closely with the chains (at least the large ones) to liquidate those hardcovers at extremely low prices before they resort to destroying them.

If you walk into a bookstore, you will notice that is very common.

Re:wasn't aware of that term (2)

alen (225700) | about 3 years ago | (#37296102)

everyone does it. i remember years ago AMD got slammed for doing it. they "shipped" a lot of CPU's in one quarter for some good revenue numbers and the next quarter they took a charge to take them all back.

very easy to catch too. wall street analysts hit the malls on weekends and ask the sales drones about sales or just watch foot traffic. then they plug the numbers into their models and get some estimated sales figures

Re:wasn't aware of that term (1)

the_humeister (922869) | about 3 years ago | (#37296574)

Sounds like what the scientologists did when their messiah (may he rest in peace with Xenu) wrote a new book.

And? (1)

pablo_max (626328) | about 3 years ago | (#37295722)

Does anyone other than Samsung and Lenovo really care?

Re:And? (4, Insightful)

haus (129916) | about 3 years ago | (#37295754)

Anyone considering making applications for tablets might be interested in how many tablets of a given type have made it into the hands of consumers (e.g. people who might buy there apps).

Re:And? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 3 years ago | (#37296386)

No. The original Galaxy Tab runs Froyo or Gingerbread, so no one will actually target it specifically. It runs Android phone software.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296564)

Yes but a subset of all software is suitable for tablets but not for phones. If that's your field, best stick with the iPad (but you already knew that.)

Unwise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295762)

It's unwise of Lenovo to go for Samsung's throat. Their common enemy is Apple. Hardware is one thing, but they still have to beat Apple on the software side. It would be better for them to cooperate and making Android a real alternative to iPad.

in Italy there are discounts for Samsung stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295766)

A chain is selling Samsung stuff at lower prices:

P1000 tablet at 379 (instead of 449)

Nexus S at 289 (instead of 449)

Too many tabs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295772)

There are too many Galaxy tabs in too many sizes, it has suffered total brand confusion. With Apple you just need to decide the Wifi or 3G, Balck or White and GB ammount. With Samsung you got the 7.0, 7.7, 8.9, 10.0, 10.1 and "note" 5.5 and "Player" 3.8, plus they are in legal limbo with Apple which gives you a risk of being stranded with a "banned" product.

Re:Too many tabs (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 years ago | (#37296008)

it's not a legal limbo, it's just apple delaying tactic. apple wants 'em samsung fabbed soc's to apple?

one size fits all? like shoes? at least there's variety, though most of those models haven't shipped worldwide.

Re:Too many tabs (1)

symbolic (11752) | about 3 years ago | (#37296372)

No confusion, just more choices. I happily purchased one of the 7" Galaxy Tabs, and I have no regrets. I use it *every day*. I do, however, plan on getting one of the new Asus Transformers when they are released in October. Another non-Apple alternative that I'm happy exists.

of course ... as people have been saying all along (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295774)

You can't be as or almost as expensive as the real thing (iPad) and *not* be the real thing. If they would sell the device at $200, it might have a chance. But for anywhere close to the price of an iPad, everybody is just going to buy the iPad, which is far more polished and comes with many more real tablet apps (not ported phone apps) and the app store.

If people can get more quality for the same price, they generally will. This is why Apple sells every single iPad it can produce, and knockoff products don't sell. Why by the knockoff when the real thing is around the same price?

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 3 years ago | (#37295924)

I'm thinking the Color Nook is about the best Android Tablet out there for the money.

color nook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296158)

It might be the best BUT

It ain't available outside North America. Therefore by definition it is a complete failure.
What the likes of Apple and Amazon (and one or two others) have realised is that they need to think worldwide and not just US centric.

Why do companies ignore a market larger than the US?
Oh, and don't ship stuff to the EU and expect it to sell with a $1 = €1 exchange rate.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296190)

Agreed.. It's also the perfect size/weight (well it could be lighter) to take on the go. A 10" tablet is just too awkward to carry around

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 3 years ago | (#37296694)

For about $15 more, you can snag a Viewsonic gTablet from Amazon... though until the gTablet price drop, was looking at the Nook Color. The gtablet is running a much better CPU, though the screen on the NC is a bit better in terms of field of view. my gTablet is pretty narrow, but once rooted to VEGAn-Tab, runs way nicer than the stock ROM. NC needs to be rooted to get the most out of it, which isn't a huge deal, just good to know. I'd like to see either of these hit the sub-$200 price point though.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296020)

A fair share of users don't consider iPad "the real thing". It may have been the first thing, it may be polished, but being an iOS device disqualifies it from consideration.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296062)

Don't kid yourself.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (0)

MrHanky (141717) | about 3 years ago | (#37296418)

No, he's right. Plenty of people won't buy from Apple, and for good reason.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296044)

In contrast to their past history, Apple is not selling at a much higher margin over manufacturing costs (or they have lower costs) vs generic competitors.

This makes it very, very difficult to displace an iPad.

Nobody displaced the iPod---obsoleted by the iPhone.

Corollary: A Win "phone" 7 pad going to sell "wonderfully" if the manufacturer also has to pay for the OS license.

notice Microsoft really ahead of the times again, renaming their not-actually-Windows operating system from "Windows Mobile" to "Windows Phone", right at the very moment that mobile operating systems are leaping off the phones.

Quite clever those "Windows 7 Phone" tablets sure to ooze out sometime. They aren't "windows" they aren't "phone" and they aren't version 7. And they'll cost more than Android because of OS licensing.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (4, Insightful)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#37296268)

In contrast to their past history, Apple is not selling at a much higher margin over manufacturing costs (or they have lower costs) vs generic competitors.

This makes it very, very difficult to displace an iPad.

This is brilliantly done by Apple and a real problem for Android tablets: who is making any money ? Google is making a bit of money from the ads in the Google apps and the Android market, meanwhile the hardware vendors because of Apple's sharp margin on the iPad and because they don't control their platform are making nothing. It's a repeat of the PC market with Google playing Microsofts' role, only without the golden decade during the boom years. Amazon seems to be the only one who gets it: cut the tablet down as much as possible to make it cheaper, market to your existing customer base, create your own ecosystem with store etc. and tell Google "so long and thanks for all the fish." They'll be the first ones making serious money of off an Android tablet.

Re:of course ... as people have been saying all al (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 3 years ago | (#37296358)

Thing is, the iPad's been out about - what, nearly 18 months now? I reckon if anyone was able to make and sell a similar tablet for $200, they'd have done so by now.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that unless you commit to millions of units (a hell of a risk when nobody has been able to emulate Apple's success to date), it is not physically possible to manufacture a tablet for much less than US$300. By the time you add on the profit margin for distributors and retailers - particularly bricks & mortar retailers - you're not going to be able to sell it for much less than $450-500.

everyone could have won (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295778)

so had they sold them at 1/10 the price they would have made 5x as much money had they sold all 1 million and had 50x market penetration...

How does this help? (0)

sgt scrub (869860) | about 3 years ago | (#37295780)

Saying Samsung isn't selling Android tablets doesn't have a positive effect on the popularity of Android devices. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.

Re:How does this help? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#37296162)

Saying Samsung isn't selling Android tablets doesn't have a positive effect on the popularity of Android devices. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.

So even if it's the truth (and why would Lenovo libel Samsung?) it should be suppressed so as to not damage the reputation of your favorite platform ?

Where are they now? (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 3 years ago | (#37295790)

That means there's 980,000 Galaxy tablets out there nobody wants.

Re:Where are they now? (1)

jo42 (227475) | about 3 years ago | (#37295840)

Time for a 99 monetary unit going out of business sale. For that price I'd buy two 'roid tablets.

Re:Where are they now? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296030)

Take too many 'roid tablets and you'll bulk up alright but your balls will shrink to marbles.

Re:Where are they now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296086)

Incidentally, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_(typography)) is the generic currency sign.

Re:Where are they now? (1)

bobalob (963052) | about 3 years ago | (#37295900)

I'll take one if they're going cheap!

Re:Where are they now? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about 3 years ago | (#37296172)

Let's hope Samsung doesn't need to massively discount them because that market may just have been exhausted by the Touchpad firesale.

Re:Where are they now? (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37296264)

But these run Android natively. No need to get Cyanogen to deal on it for you.

Re:Where are they now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296482)

You're assuming everyone wants android on a tablet

Re:Where are they now? (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | about 3 years ago | (#37296718)

Remember those "high return rates" rumors Samsung denied?

Seriously HP, you're a tool. (2, Interesting)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 3 years ago | (#37295860)

This is regarded as the best Android tablet device as well. Hello HP, you had the number two position in your hands, even YOU sold more than that before the fire sale.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295940)

This is regarded as the best Android tablet device as well. Hello HP, you had the number two position in your hands, even YOU sold more than that before the fire sale.

How do you know? Maybe HP was stuffing, too, and saw the handwriting on the wall.

This does shed a different light on HP's actions.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 3 years ago | (#37296422)

This still sold more, so they have that feather in their cap at least.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | about 3 years ago | (#37296736)

BestBuy got 250,000 units and reported to only sell 25,000. That was just BestBuy. Those sales alone made them have a higher final sales count. Add whatever Staples and other chains sold and you would have the TouchPad performing perhaps at least 50% better than the GalaxyTap

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

plover (150551) | about 3 years ago | (#37295982)

And to bail out of the market the week before Jobs resigned? They're not just a tool, they're the whole toolbox.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37296274)

HP is one of the dumbest companies on the planet ever since Carly Fiorina stole the job. Her leaving just left the dopes who didn't quit when she got the gig.

It's been careening downhill ever since.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296652)

Hardly. By summer 2012, we'll see that they made a brilliant move.

Everything about tablets is hype-based. There are no benefits. All you get is the worst of its neighbors within the computing device spectrum. It's less-portable and less-capable than a cell phone, and less-practical and less-capable than a netbook. If you want to do anything useful, you need to either switch to your cell phone or your netbook/laptop/desktop.

Jobs' resignation isn't opening the door for other competitors to put themselves in a better position. It's the complete opposite; it's causing the market to die. With the faux demand (that is, it's based more on a religious devotion to Apple and Jobs than on any sort of a real need or even want) from the Apple crowd diminished, it's becoming apparent that there is nobody else who actually wants tablets.

HP made a wise decision, getting out of a market with no demand. By next summer, the tablet fad will be completely dead, and HP will have escaped the upcoming failure that others will likely be subjected to.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296002)

Lenovo is referring to the fail 7 inch original Galaxy Tab running Android 2.2. Not the Honeycomb tablet. This is because Lenovo made their own tablet running Android 2.3, in that same 7 inch form factor.

Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 is doing just fine.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296106)

So is the 7" Galaxy Tab. Once Samsung slashed them to $299 they disappeared off shelves. Telstra alone sold 10,000 in a week.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

TuringCheck (1989202) | about 3 years ago | (#37296280)

Really?
Mine is doing juuust well.
On the other hand I doubt 7.7 will be a success, definitely too wide for most hands.
Posted from my 7" Tab.

Re:Seriously HP, you're a tool. (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 3 years ago | (#37296684)

Makes me think that without Apple's iWant factor there isn't much demand for tablets. Most people already have a smartphone.

I dont believe those numbers, coming from Lenovo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37295970)

The Samsung GTab is a very good tablet, with an alternative 7" size that many prefer to the ipad size. Certainly in the US the sales numbers must be far more than 20,000 given what I see on the forums, ebay, CL, etc. I find those Lenovo numbers highly suspect. There is a hugely active XDA community with folks from all over the globe contributing.

Re:I dont believe those numbers, coming from Lenov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296208)

Those numbers are very dubious... there have been thousands of downloads of custom galaxy tab 7 roms from XDA. For his numbers to be right, the majority of tab users would have to have been on XDA downloading custom roms? Doubtful.

Channel stuffing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296054)

Channel Stuffing? You mean advertising? Yeah, everyone does that...

This doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296056)

This doesn't make sense. A tablet of a relatively unknown Chinese manufacturer, similarly priced, sold more than that in Europe alone. I should know because they are paying us royalties and it doesn't make sense to inflate the numbers to a licensor...

Copying Microsoft's tactic? (2, Interesting)

Jerry (6400) | about 3 years ago | (#37296058)

When MS released the Win Phone 7 they counted the retail sales, the devices setting on retail shelves, the devices in the retail channel, the devices on manufacturer's inventory shelves and, apparently, the devices being made at the time. All to make it appear that the WP7 was enjoying greater success than it actually was.

Of course, we are assuming that Lenovo is telling the truth which, along with ethics, seems to be scarce commodities in business these days.

Re:Copying Microsoft's tactic? (1)

fortfive (1582005) | about 3 years ago | (#37296682)

...the truth which, along with ethics, seems to be scarce commodities in business these days.

Has it ever been plentiful?

So, is Lenovo selling anything? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | about 3 years ago | (#37296124)

I'm trying to work out the point of this mud slinging.

New LePad launch? (1)

iserlohn (49556) | about 3 years ago | (#37296220)

There is no way that Samsung sold only 20,000 of the original Galaxy Tab. There are more than that number sold in the UK alone.

Payback misunderstanding. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37296248)

Here in Brazil, tablets are extremely expensive: you don't get a netbook for the price of a tablet... you get a notebook. Mind you, desktops are cheaper than notebooks over here.

That is not wanting to sell. That is expecting payback next quarter/semester. It's obviously calling early adopters idiots.

Early adopters are smarter folks, they have to be because they toast their resources on experimental ideas... it's not like followers who don't need to think, just, well, follow. These kind of guys are extremely averse at being fooled.

Makers of these products should know the whole thing -- desktops, notebooks, netbooks, phones and tablets -- are to be considered a single business and payback considered as a whole... because early adopters certainly do!

I'm in the market for a tablet; I waited some 15 years to buy an LCD TV -- not a flimsy one, but one with antialias for older shows -- and this after being a 10+ year old Linux user.

I want to be an early adopter, but I ain't no fool.

Re:Payback misunderstanding. (2)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37296306)

>It's obviously calling early adopters idiots.

In a way, they are.

They're guaranteed to be getting beta-test products for the highest price anyone will ever pay.

For that, they get something that's a bigger version of the phone they paid too much for a few months before.

And very, very few of them get any sort of compensatory social or business boost from the image bump of having the latest and greatest. The only thing they all get is the tiny endorphin rush of buying something cool.

The mercantile world has conditioned hundreds of thousands of people to keep pushing that button.

Re:Payback misunderstanding. (1)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | about 3 years ago | (#37296472)

Here in Brazil, tablets are extremely expensive: you don't get a netbook for the price of a tablet... you get a notebook. Mind you, desktops are cheaper than notebooks over here.

It's like that in many markets across the world. For example, where I live, the P1000 Galaxy Tab - which I think is the oldest and cheapest model - sells at the equivalent of $1000. It is only marginally cheaper than the iPad 2 (the first iPad ever sold here; arrived a month ago to 2-3 stores in the entire country). Something tells me they won't sell many of either.

And Lenovo would know? (2)

ZeroSerenity (923363) | about 3 years ago | (#37296286)

Unfounded corprate trash talk. How is this news?

I wonder... (2, Informative)

MrMatto (2429900) | about 3 years ago | (#37296584)

...if Apple's injunction against Samsung has anything to do with there supposedly only being 20,000 out of a million units sold?

Posting from my Galaxy Tab (1)

Garth Smith (1720052) | about 3 years ago | (#37296620)

I got an older model G Tab on clearance for $200 and i couldn't be happier. Prices on tablets are dropping fast. In less than a year we will see a drop from $800 iPads to Amazon's $250 tablet. I thank HP for showing the industry the way forward.

Tablets are here to stay. If they're too expensive for you now, just wait another year.

Re:Posting from my Galaxy Tab (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 years ago | (#37296678)

You thank HP for showing the way forward by basically self-immolating? Interesting. This chain of events is leading to HP talking about LEAVING HARDWARE FOREVER, but yeah what a great example of leading the way.
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