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Lenovo To Offer $200 Budget Tablet

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the discount-computing dept.

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First time accepted submitter khellendros1984 writes "Amazon's not the only big-name company planning on a budget-level tablet release; Lenovo recently announced their Ideapad A1 tablet as competition. It includes a 1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, along with other features more commonly seen on higher-priced tablets, such as dual cameras, bluetooth, GPS, wifi, and a MicroSD slot. Is this the start of the Android tablet price avalanche?"

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Ah, now I get it. (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302576)

That's where all the HP touchpads went.

Re:Ah, now I get it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302688)

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Compromised (3, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302592)

Except it's a 7 inch tablet with a widescreen ratio screen. So when holding in portrait it looks silly, too narrow and too tall.

These compromises are why they get overlooked.

Re:Compromised (2)

drosboro (1046516) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302604)

Have any of these 7-inch tablets done well? When I last held a Playbook, it just felt awkwardly stuck between a phone screen and a screen that I'd actually want to look at for extended periods of time.

Re:Compromised (1)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302786)

The Nook appears to be doing well.

Re:Compromised (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302832)

The Nook is more of an ebook reader than a tablet. 7" is a great size for reading a paperback. Not so great for a lot of the things you might want a tablet for, including reading technical books and papers that have figures and don't reflow nicely.

Re:Compromised (1)

Flipao (903929) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303220)

Right, no 7' tablets are doing well, because if they are they aren't ablets they are E-readers. Ugh.

Re:Compromised (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303294)

I'm sure some smart company will come up with yet another product category but until they do, the successful products are "tablets" compared directly to the iPad, and "ebook readers" compared directly to the Kindle. The Nook is wisely marketed as an ebook reader because that's what it's intended to be, and it stacks up well against the Kindle. It is not a direct competitor for the iPad.

I suppose someone might make a successful 7" tablet but so far it doesn't seem to be an easy thing to do. Personally, I don't think it will happen. 7" is good for reading text but doesn't seem to be ideal for anything else.

Re:Compromised (2)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303572)

I am starting to see 7" tablets in restaurants. 10" tablets are too big for the waitresses to put in their apron pockets, phones are too small for them to effectively work with.

Re:Compromised (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303850)

I don't see why technical books and papers would reflow significantly worse on a 1024x600 screen compared to a 1024x768 screen (regardless of its physical DPI). The difference is not that big.

Re:Compromised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302714)

Thanks for pointing that out. A lot of these tablets have widescreens - which I find extremely awkward (unlike say, a TV where widescreen is great). I've got a 10 inch el-cheapo tablet - it's nice but it looks too narrow... and just doesn't seem right. Especially when trying to read on it.

Re:Compromised (4, Interesting)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302730)

The article is also overblowing it a 1Ghz A8 as not a "feature commonly seen on higher priced tablets" –compare for example the iPad, which has two 1Ghz A9s... This also doesn't list GPU, which I would bet heavily is significantly slower than other high priced tablets.

Re:Compromised (4, Interesting)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302818)

the stats I saw listed were pretty much identical to the Samsung Galaxy tab (the original) released like a year ago... Which now sells for about $200. I cant' figure out who the hell lenovo expects to buy this thing, especially after they themselves pointed out that nobody bought this product when their competitor introduced it.

Re:they themselves pointed out (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303568)

"You're believing marketing!" Marketing always mixes as many confusions as it can get away with before it breaks the law. "You actually believed that marketing statement had any correlation to policy?"

What companies are seeing is if they can pick off the "low end use case" with low end tablets, it forces bottom pressure on the market leader.

For example, Apple seems to have done a great job of keeping this out of the news, but "generic" mp3 players now hold 4 gigs - PLENTY for a random music collection. So for a guy like me who only loads his music once a month, who needs all that iTunes synch crap?

Same thing with tablets. We all know $600 is absurd. Tablets need to be $99. And soon a second generation of hardware will be there.

Re:Compromised (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303030)

Reading comprehension fail

its saying (notice that little comma and the word along which you conveniently left out) that features like gps and sd cards, not that the cpu is a feature you dipshit

Re:Compromised (2)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302782)

I rather like my nook color with it's 600x1024 ratio for reading in portrait mode.

have people forgotten what the aspect ratio on actual book pages were? they actually were rather thin and tall.

Re:Compromised (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302826)

It's great for reading a book or watching a movie. If those are your primary uses then you've got it made. For web browsing or much of anything else it sucks. I got rid of my dell 1545 because of the widescreen. 1366x786 sucks for what I want to do. If I want to watch movies I've got a TV for that. For a computer I want something more along the lines of 1440x900. I downgrade to a dell d630 just for the better screen.

Re:Compromised (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37303320)

Few printed books have such an extreme aspect ratio; most are closer to 2:3. (iPad/iPhone resolution) ISO standard paper sizes are 1:sqrt(2), making that an attractive target as well. Personally, I think 16:10 (~phi:1) is the best compromise for larger general purpose tablets and displays. It is good for printed text, media, and computing.

For something like a phone or a 7" tablet though, 16:9 is absurd. That is almost 2:1, and unless you enjoy reading newspaper columns, it is an obnoxious format. The smaller a display is, the closer it should be to square, for it to be generally useful.

Re:Compromised (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303808)

So, for comparison's sake, I just pulled a novel off the shelf.
49 characters per line, 28 lines per page.

I then pulled up the book I'm reading on my nook.
53 character per line, 32 lines per page.

Not a whole heck of a huge difference there.

Re:Compromised (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37303508)

People have also forgotten what the resolution of actual book pages is -- it's on the order of 2400 dpi on quality paper, and even crappy paperbacks are at least 600 dpi. For comparison, current ebook readers like the Nook color do 170 dpi, and the 10 inch iPad does 130 dpi. At least according to rumours Apple is working on a 270 dpi retina display for the next generation iPad.

Re:Compromised (1)

narcc (412956) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304030)

270 dpi is "retina" now? Well, shoot, I didn't realize they lowered the standard for "retina". Does that mean all those other phones, prior to the iPhone 4 with their >270ppi screens were also "retinal displays" (e.g. HTC Touch Diamond, Samsung Wave, Samsung Jet, XPERIA X1, etc. etc. etc.)?

Here's an idea. Let's stop using the term "retinal display" as it's nothing more than meaningless marketing drivel.

Every week... (4, Insightful)

ryanmcdonough (2430374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302608)

I see news articles saying "Sub $200 tablet from (Big Vendor) due soon" then it turns out to be vaporware. Sick of these companies never following through.

Re:Every week... (5, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302888)

They already announced they aren't following through. Slashdot editors can't read. The article says the $249 model is the least expensive model intended to ship to the US. Doubt the low end model will make it to much of the 1st world.

Good first step though, put a decent tablet out at non-apple prices. The HP disaster proved product will fly off shelves at $99. I suspect they would have moved briskly at $199, i.e. selling out in days instead of the gone before most people even heard the news of the demise, selling out so fast they still had ads up on CNN after they were all gone. The trick is the costs of production need to drop just a smidge more and the manufacturers have to be willing to accept consumer electronics margins instead of Apple margins.

Get a really usable tablet/ereader on shelves at a reliable (not firesale/closeout, loss leader, etc) and they willl become viable. For those who don't need a laptop and need more than a smartphone provides. Apparently that niche is fairly large.

Re:Every week... (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303004)

Good first step though, put a decent tablet out at non-apple prices.

You might compare to a refurbished iPad 1. Apple sells them for $399; this tablet is $249 with 16 GB and comes with an OS that isn't even designed for a tablet and probably not upgradeable and a much smaller screen that is even less usable in vertical mode. No competition unless you are really, really hard up but then you wouldn't spend $249.

Re:Every week... (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303086)

Uh huh. What kind of moron compares refurb product to an item so new that it hasn't even shipped yet? If you are willing to go refurb, remaindered, etc. there are always all sort of deals to be had. Not that $399 for a REFURB outdated product is a deal unless you deeply inside the RDF.

But a product that introduces at $249 (price of product that will actually be made available in the 1st world) can be expected to go on sale for $199 this Xmas and will get closed out for $149 next summer on Woot and such. That is what you would compare to some refurb ipad and there isn't much competition there, at least not on price.

I have never owned an Apple product and really can't understand why anyone would. But millions do. Of course I have never watched American Idol of my own will either, nor Survivor or Big Brother, etc. Can't for the life of me understand why Lady Gaga is all that either, can't even make a high probability call on it's gender. Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public and Apple understands that. Good for them, it is immoral to let a sucker keep his money after all.

Re:Every week... (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303144)

Uh huh. What kind of moron compares refurb product to an item so new that it hasn't even shipped yet? If you are willing to go refurb, remaindered, etc. there are always all sort of deals to be had. Not that $399 for a REFURB outdated product is a deal unless you deeply inside the RDF.

An Apple refurbished product is quite often brand new; especially after a new product release when all the unsold products suddenly are refurbished. If it is not brand new, then it is better tested than a brand new model, and with items that can be bought customized there is a good chance to get more than you actually paid for. So it looks like you are a clueless twat who has no experience purchasing Apple products and getting the best possible value.

Second, I compared it with the iPad 1 because otherwise the comparison is just laughable. The outdated iPad 1 is lightyears ahead of this Lenovo product. The Touchpad that only sold for $99 is lightyears ahead of it. I'll bet that the Samsung product tha according to Lenovo only sold 20,000 units is lightyears ahead of it.

Re:Every week... (1)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303756)

I bought a touchpad. I didn't expect it to be as good as an ipad, even though I found it is amazing value for $99. I do understand that the $99 was a ridiculous price that won't exist again. That being said - I can't get $400 worth of utility out of it. It just isn't worth it to me. It doesn't do $400 worth of useful. So I might buy a $200 tablet, because I might get $200 worth of utility out of it. But I'm not willing to pay another $200 for "cool". I'd rather get a slightly slower touchpad/ideapad/etc than spend more money, even though I know the $400 one is faster. It just isn't worth $200 more for me. Thats why a $200 ipad 1 equivalent has a large market, while a $500 ipad 2 equivalent just doesn't outside of those willing to pay apple to have the cutting edge tablet to watch their youtube videos on.

Re:Every week... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303940)

But that market already exists - the original Tab is selling for about that now, and it has very similar specs to this new tablet. There's really not much new ground being broken here for those who can't see the value in buying a tablet at iPad prices (and spec) - I can't justify it myself, for instance.

Re:Every week... (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303912)

That "refurb outdated product" is feature comparable to this thing, except with a 9.7" screen (the really expensive bit) - that's the point here. This brand new product is competing with... "obsolete refurb products", and it doesn't even do that very well.

Leaving the troll bait final paragraph aside (your intellectual superiority is near impenetrable, I'm amazed you can even post on slashdot since people have obviously heard of it, so it's clearly too mainstream for you).

This $249 tablet is blazing a trail..... by costing the same as the first Galaxy Tab does right now, with the same specs. "Woot" indeed.

Not sure what the big deal is (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302610)

Here's [newegg.com] an 8.4" tablet with a dual core ARM for under $200. Maybe it's a quality issue? I've read mixed things about cheap tablets. But still...

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302658)

That one has a resistive touch screen. The Lenovo will certainly be capacitive. That's a big difference, not to mention faster processor, GPS, cameras, and 8GB vs. 2GB storage.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302810)

Maybe it's just me, but I don't want or need a tablet with a camera or GPS. Although, I used to say that about cell phones too once...

All I'd like in a tablet is to be able to read web pages, read PDFs & ebooks, and watch Netflx.

Same for me (1)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302880)

Ditto.

Niether pad nor smartphone have I. Touchpad seemed like a once in a decade opportunity so I bought two. At the very least I'll have an rooted Android e-book reader.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303638)

I have a ViewSonic gTablet. It doesn't have a GPS or rear facing camera. I only miss the camera periodically when I want to scan a QR code or use it with Google Sky Map. That isn't too often. I DO miss not having a GPS on it. When doing a road trip, having a nice 10" GPS be a whole lot better than trying to use a 4" phone.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (3, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302744)

Based on ARM926EJ

ARM9. That's even older than ARM11, which is what most pre-Cortex-A8 devices were based on. I'm impressed that they swapped out the compiler to make use of this extremely low end (think Nintendo DS) processor.

800 x 600

Ouch.

Touch Panel: Resistive touch pad

While my N900 has a resistive touch screen, I trust Nokia's quality controls (and have never needed to calibrate.) This has nothing to vouch for it.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302764)

And just for reference, the very first Android device (the G1) used an ARM11 based CPU. And the ARM926EJ is the lowest end of the ARM9 cores.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302816)

it's got a lot less inside a slower 600 mhz cpu compared with a 1000mhz cpu no gps no bluetooth no camera. 2.1 not 2.3 the lenovo has far more bang for the buck and hopefully as an European the $199 version will be available here.

Amazons yet to be released color ereader is already going to struggle to compete with this.
   

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

darrylo (97569) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304198)

Amazons yet to be released color ereader is already going to struggle to compete with this.

If you were only comparing specs, you'd be right. However, you falling into the traditional geek trap of only comparing specs. :)

Right now, Amazon might be the only one who can compete, long-term, against Apple: Amazon has an app store, Amazon sells music, and -- most importantly -- Amazon has a well-liked, established brand: the kindle. Yes, the upcoming color ereader can't currently compete with the iPad; however, if Amazon's smart, they'll use it to dominate the low-end tablet market, and then later move upwards into the high-end tablet market (the iPad).

This is different from other Android tablets because, if Amazon pulls this off correctly, the consumer will have one-stop shopping for everything, just like the iPad. Fragmentation is a significant issue with mass-market consumers and android tablets, and Amazon has the power to eliminate it.

Amazon's upcoming ereader doesn't necessarily have to compare well, specwise, against other tablets. It does, however, need to perform well at its intended core tasks (book reading, etc., etc.). Now, this might require competitive specs, but it might not; a lot depends upon the software.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (2)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302840)

Maybe it's a quality issue?

Of course it's a quality issue. People are getting tired of buying crap products. Sure, some people can only afford the cheap ones so they make due but most people are tired of spending _several hundred dollars_ and getting a product they aren't happy with. If you're going to spend _several hundred dollars_, wouldn't you rather buy a good product? I suspect most people would.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (2)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303812)

This is going to be quite a surprise: some people don't have five hundred dollars.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302978)

Let's see, crappy resolution, crappy touch interface, 1 quarter of the memory of most contemporary android devices, ancient ARM core. That's just what can be derived from the spec sheet, viewing angle, build quality, all those likely to be subpar.

Not that I'm much into a tablet at all, but the difference between random cheapo tablet and something that a major brand is willing to embrace is (hopefully) night and day. That sometimes doesn't pan out with execs start blindly milking a brand value to sell crap, but at this point I don't think Amazon or Lenovo is there right now.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303098)

Nah, the linked item is "JUNK" Resistive, 256M memory. Do not want.

Re:Not sure what the big deal is (1)

narcc (412956) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304118)

Nah, the linked item is "JUNK" Resistive, 256M memory. Do not want.

Resistive does not mean "worse than capacitive". There are numerous advantages to a resistive touch screen, that many users would prefer over a capacitive screen. I'd gladly give up multi-touch and the ability to use my finger in exchange for a stylus with more precision than the fat-fake-finger monstrosities you need for a capacitive touchscreen.

As for 256mb, well, it was good enough for the "revolutionary" iPad -- hell, the iPad2 only has 512. What more do you want?

not that dramatic. (3, Interesting)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302648)

In Australia we have for example the ZTE v9 7" WVGA tablet with 3G for $129. (Was $99 for a while). Easily unlocked, Android 2.2 or Cyanogen 2.3.
An 8 or 16GB micro-SD is a cheap add-on.
The Lenovo is certainly higher spec, except it seems crazy to have such a small (i.e. portable) tablet without 3G.

Re:not that dramatic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302696)

BTW, "ZTE" is a big name, even if you have not heard of them, you may well own devices made by them.

Re:not that dramatic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302866)

...except it seems crazy to have such a small (i.e. portable) tablet without 3G.

I represent the target market for this.

My phone has a 3G radio. I can tether a tablet to my phone.

I'm a "value shopper" other wise I'd buy an iPad. so, of course I'm not interested in paying for two 3G contracts.

Re:not that dramatic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37303020)

In Australia we have for example the ZTE v9 7" WVGA tablet with 3G for $129. (Was $99 for a while). .

I guess it would be fair to point out that $99 AUD equals roughly 3 billion euros..

I want a MeeGo tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302666)

I'd really like to see a decent MeeGo tablet. These devices are powerful enough to act as a low-end desktop computer, that calls for an OS that is capable of running desktop (-like) apps. Hookup a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to such tablet and it would be quite useful on the road, with uncompromised browsing, office, etc. capabilities.

Re:I want a MeeGo tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302692)

MeeGo is dead, unfortunately. It's corpse is still twitching, but the life has left it.

Re:I want a MeeGo tablet (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302842)

Too bad really. I could see using meego, android makes me want an Ipad. But Ipad makes me want a meego. I can't have a meego though....it's a vicious circle. I'll probably settle for a color nook. With cyanogen on it at least it'll be useful and cheap. It's not what I really want though, I've been waiting a year now for someone to make a decent tablet that will run a real linux os. I guess it's not gonna happen.

Re:I want a MeeGo tablet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302874)

"make a decent tablet that will run a real linux os"

Why not get a netbook? It's like a tablet with a keyboard, but for less money and with more capability. I'm running a "real linux OS" on mine, with KDE 4.6 under a 64 bit version of Kubuntu, and it works marvelously. While obviously short of my desktop by a long shot, it's more powerful than my previous generation laptop. All for under $300.

It's also better than a tablet for using it while laying down on the couch, because the hinge can keep the screen propped up to the right viewing angle, rather than me having to do that by constantly holding it.

Re:I want a MeeGo tablet (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303336)

I'd take a netbook with a 6 or 7 inch screen maybe but not a 10" screen. They're damn near as big as my 12" ibook. I haven't looked at netbooks in a while, I'll have to look and see what's out there.

Re:I want a MeeGo tablet (4, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302936)

> I guess it's not gonna happen.

No it isn't Android isn't 'Linux' so OEMs can load it without bringing down the wrath of Microsoft. Notice how there are zero ARM based netbooks/laptops for purchase. But they all have models ready to roll, sampling now, for the launch of Windows 8. They could have introduced a model running some version of Linux this year if for no other reason than to put moderate quantities of the hardware out into the world for wider testing. But there are zero available in the US. There are one or two that have popped up on liliputing being sold by unheard of vendors you could import if you were hellbent on it, but none have US distributors.

Zero is an important number. Had there only been one or two failures that would be the market talking. Zero means there is an unseen force at work. ARM is the buzzword, netbooks aren't as hot this year as last but still a major segment and running time, weight and cost are key specs. An arm netbook should be better on all three fronts at the only 'negative' of no Windows. Somebody should have at least tried, at least in an unfettered market.

Or finally look at the Chromebooks. Why did they have Intel Inside? Arm would have been better in every way. Except of course we would have been buying the shit out of them, ditching the Chrome silliness and installing Ubuntu like crazy. I know I WANT a light laptop that can run all fricking day.

What about inventor of the rounded corner? (0, Troll)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302674)

Apple (not the Beatles record label, the one that copied their name) hates copying so much they bully entire countries into banning their competitors. [engadget.com] Mind you, they actually do have a sense of humour - at least I'm being charitable and assuming their latest desperate claim over Android itself is a joke [techrights.org] . If you can stop laughing long enough after reading that, didn't Andy Rubin do his work on Danger *after* he left Apple? And m$ bought Danger? So by Apples latest barrel-scraping logic, they should be squabbling with m$ too. Oh, and when Andy was 12 I hear he did a paper round, and some of the mags he delivered were tech and so inspired him. The newsagents lawyers would like a word...

S/PDIF output? (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302724)

Can we have finally a Tablet with S/PDIF output (via dock)?

I want a tablet (largish touch-screen device) for my home stereo, yet all they bother including onto the docks is HDMI.

Re:S/PDIF output? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302772)

You can get HDMI-> DVI+S/PDIF boxes; but they are rather alarmingly expensive. I assume that the HDMI-> Anything_else market is rather stifled by HDCP.

Assuming that a dose of ugly doesn't necessarily break the deal, your best bet will probably be one of the android tablets with USB host support(and a degree of hack support). S/PDIF output in USB audio class devices is substantially cheaper than HDMI ->S/PDIF...

Lenovo is cheap, in many aspects (2)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302728)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392422,00.asp [pcmag.com]

"Lenovo: Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales 20K, not 2 Million"

So, that is why Lenovo decided to deride Samsung...

Cheap, in many aspects.

Re:Lenovo is cheap, in many aspects (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302830)

and then they introduced their own tablet which is damn near an identical copy of the tablet they're bashing, spec-wise at least.

thus the trash-talk about Samsung (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302732)

And this would be why they've been talking about Samsung only selling 20,000 Tabs...

Re:thus the trash-talk about Samsung (2)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302750)

... Which were also 7". One has to wonder what kind of thinking went into this.

7in? pass. (2)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302742)

If it can't do PDFs without reflowing then I don't see how it is worth it.

i dont see why not (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302778)

if the sub-par Chinese manufacturers can have functional tablets under 150 all day long and still make profit, why cant we have a 'decent' one for ~ 200? Not a 'great one', but a 'decent' one.

Re:i dont see why not (1)

microcars (708223) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303480)

If the devices you refer to are made of rejected parts that may die in 90 days or behave erratically, are you still interested in it at $200?

Re:i dont see why not (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303918)

The few Chinese 'branded' items i have bought in the past have not died at 90 days, so i don't see a problem with it personally.

Besides, if a company like pandigital can make them for 150 all day long and sell them here in the US, then someone like lenovo should be able to do it for 200..

A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

DavidinAla (639952) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302780)

I don't understand why so many people believe it's going to be possible for some company to produce a good tablet -- with decent specs -- and still sell it cheap. If you want a good tablet, you have to pay for the cost of those components. ANY $200 tablet is going to have very huge compromises -- at least until the cost of components come WAY down in years to come. Right now, if you want the best available tablet, buy an iPad if you just want a good user experience or an expensive Android tablet if you want to make it a hobby. Any of the cheapos are going to be disappointing to anyone with high expectations.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37302824)

"I don't understand why so many people believe it's going to be possible for some company to produce a good tablet -- with decent specs -- and still sell it cheap."

That's the problem. It's why no one can compete with Apple. Either you pay about the same price as an iPad, but you don't get the "real thing", or you pay a lot less and get something of much lower quality and specs. People figure, if I'm paying close to the price of an iPad, I might as well just *get* an iPad, rather than a knock off product.

Furthermore, these cheap Android tablets are savaging the reputation of Android tablets overall. People have bad experiences with the cheapo tablets and good experiences with Apple, and this influences their mindset and what they tell their friends. Then, the iPad continues to outsell Android tablets 20 to 1 or whatever it is.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302862)

Or buy a cheap tablet if you want a cheap tablet. Just don't think you're getting an iPad replacement.

These companies seem to like shooting themselves in the foot. Apple sort of (re)defined what a tablet should be, and like it or not, that's the standard that people measure things against. Expensive Android tablets measure up well. Cheap tablets, of course, don't. Amazon and Barnes and Noble are successful selling eBook readers because they DON'T call them tablets.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303198)

You very well may be getting an "iPad replacement".

That is, you would be getting something that replaces an iPad rather than tries to compete directly with it. It is something that does all of the things that Apple Corporation disallows. That's a "replacement".

Arrogant fanboys think that everyone wants an Apple clone.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303278)

A $200 tablet isn't going to be a direct competitor for a $600 iPad (or similarly priced Android tablet). Expecting it to be is a good way to be disappointed, and is unfair to what might actually be a decent budget tablet.

Rabid Apple haters seem to have a problem with their brains shutting off whenever they see the name of an Apple product.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303978)

Not everybody can afford a Lexus, or an iPad. Making a product that's within reach of many people, fairly profitable, and gives good value isn't "shooting yourself in the foot" - it's "putting shoes on your children." If they make and sell a product, earn a profit on each one and sell them all, they win.

With Android tablets it's pretty easy to win because the vast majority of the value isn't in the product itself, but in the vast ecosystem behind it. Apps, books, movies, music, content of all sorts - and of course the web. These Android tablets might be a less perfect glass to see these things through, but the ability to see them at all is easily worth the money asked.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302928)

If you can get a Netbook for $180, then why not a tablet for $200? There really isn't all the much to a tablet. I guess the expensive part would be the touch screen. But other than that, there isn't much difference. You might start off at a loss, but after the first million units have shipped, and production gets ramped up, they should easily be able to make them much cheaper than they are.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303052)

touchscreen is pretty damn cheap to produce, its really just plastic with a printed metalized pattern on it glued to the top

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

jimthehorsegod (1210220) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303582)

You are entirely wrong: http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx [isuppli.com] The touch screen is approaching a quarter of the costs of the entire device, and along with the display itself is almost half.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303084)

If it were possible to make something to "beat" the iPad for less than the iPad sells for (and still be profitable), someone would have done it by now.

This whole hilarious "a tablet at sensible 'non-apple' prices...." thing is just not getting through to anyone here, is it? The iPad costs what it does because *that's close to what it costs to make*. Apple are not making a 300% profit on those things. Everyone seems to think that the parts set Apple back about $200 and then they slap a massive profit margin on the top.

If it were that simple, there would be a ton of comparable spec tablets out there for "netbook prices" a long time ago.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303970)

Just the screen and touch assembly in the HP Touchpad came to $132 and that's purely the raw cost of the parts (no assembly or profit margin or any other components at all).

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx [isuppli.com]

It's not as cheap as all the armchair quarterbacks seem to think it is, otherwise we'd already have cheaper-than-iPad tablets out there that cost much less.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302984)

Don't buy the Apple hype. First Apple makes fifty points or more on their tablets. Drop that to more typical consumer electronics margins and that $499 iPad would drop more than a hun right there.

And the tablets are full of expensive stuff line is bunk anyway. Unless we are being fed a huge lie, ARM is supposed to be less expensive than Intel Inside, right? Then most tablets use Sysem on Chip solutions which slash part count dramatically. They have lighter specs just by the numbers before taking into account an Intel/AMD CPU does more per cycle, hence the unleashing of the fires of hell on your nuts and the battery. A dual core 1.2Ghz tablet is state of the moment while a crappy trailing edge Atom. Compare a tablet to a netbook. A decent netbook can be had any day of the week for $250-$300. The netbook has more battery, more CPU, a spinning hard drive and a Windows license. The tablet has a display with a better display viewable over a wider range so it can tilt with a touch screen overlay, a g-sensor and maybe a gps. But it loses the more complex case, Windows license and most of the battery. Don't tell me a tablet should cost more, the BOM says otherwise.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303110)

I am certain that people who make these things for a living have also done the same calculations, since that is.. what they do for a living.

If Apple were making a huge profit on the iPad (in the region of what pie in the sky percentages /. seems to think Apple is making per unit) then there would already be iPad-comparable tablets for much less and there simply aren't. It's certainly not because no one can see any money in making one though, since the launch of the original iPad.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (2)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303178)

> If Apple were making a huge profit on the iPad (in the region of what pie in the sky percentages /. seems to think Apple is making per unit)..

I don't know where you get your figures, but I get em off the financial pages every quarter when Apple releases performance numbers to the shareholders or when I had stock they mailed it out in an envelope. But I don't like to ride stocks that go on moonshots because of the tendency to crash without warning so I chickened out a hundred or so ago. Never thought it would keep going up this long. But one otherwise ordinary morning the news on Steve's healthis going to be bad and that price will cut in half. Too risky.

Apple doesn't sell any physical product they don't get at least fifty points on. And that is before Walmart/BestBuy takes their cut. So when Apple sells through their own retail channels (physical stores or the Apple Store) they really score. And we all know the rake off thirty nice thick points off the top of anything sold through the iTunes Store. Great as long as people are willing to keep paying up.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303474)

Cool story bro.

By "rake off a nice think 30 points" you mean "handle all the hosting, payment processing and promotion" for the content and software in the store, then sure that's "raking in a nice thick 30 points". Those Apple statements you like to 'get your figures' mention specifically that the iTunes Store is not a large source of profit for apple (not even in the same ballpark as their hardware), so your whole post just looks like uninformed nonsense.

So, I will say it again - if Apple is making an outrageously large profit on the iPad then where are the many, many companies would can undercut the iPad with the same specs?

You say that Apple is making "at least 50 points" on the iPad, so where are the competitors coming in at even $50 to 100 less? They just do not exist, because they have realised that they simply cannot do it right now - the closest we had was the Xoom (in terms of hardware specs) to the iPad and it was pretty much exactly the same price (and a little bit more expensive) than the iPad.

We'll be generous and say that you can put that slight imbalance (that the iPad was still cheaper for 5 of the 6 models of iPad you could buy) down to economies of scale, but even then the Xoom was only equivalent in price.

If an iPad-comparable tablet could be sold for $100+ less or more by someone else, it would already be on the shelves - it's not rocket science.

So, either we accept that *every* company (including those trying to lure people away from the iPad and buy their tablet) just won't budge on a "50 point" profit on their unproven-but-upstart tablet competitor and remain confident that costing more than an iPad will really encourage people to buy, *or* tablets with the iPad's specs cost a little more to make than armchair quarterbacks on slashdot seem to think they do.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303898)

By "rake off a nice think 30 points" you mean "handle all the hosting, payment processing and promotion" for the content and software in the store, then sure that's "raking in a nice thick 30 points".

Hosting, payment processing etc might cost something in the ballpark of 1-2%, maybe 5%.

Those Apple statements you like to 'get your figures' mention specifically that the iTunes Store is not a large source of profit for apple (not even in the same ballpark as their hardware)

Well, duh. 30% of a $1 sale is not that much, even if you have many sales. Whereas $100 off every iPad sold - and sales numbers in millions - is it any surprise that it drowns the app store out?

You say that Apple is making "at least 50 points" on the iPad, so where are the competitors coming in at even $50 to 100 less?

I dunno, Asus Transformer [amazon.com] ? 1Ghz dual core, IPS screen, 10" at 1280x800, front and back cameras, MicroSD slot, 9 hours battery life - basically matching or exceeding iPad specs on every count except weight. 16Gb model goes for $400, exactly $100 less than the comparable iPad 2.

Then there's Acer Iconia Tab [amazon.com] - same hardware as Transformer, by and large. Sells for $450.

If an iPad-comparable tablet could be sold for $100+ less or more by someone else, it would already be on the shelves - it's not rocket science.

As demonstrated above, it's indeed not rocket science, and so you can find them on the shelves if you bother to look. The problem is that most people don't go shopping for tablets - they go shopping for an iPad.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304176)

If you think payment processing is easy - especially microtransactions, then you are underestimating the cost. Your 5% optimistic figure just isn't matched by reality, and it's not just Apple charging 30% for their handling of all of the hosting and payment - the android market works exactly the same way. You think that if it were a gratuitous amount that Google would want to "one up" Apple by making it much (or even a little) smaller on the Android market, since there's certainly no love lost there.

The question about the Transformer is why isn't it flying off the shelves? (In the same way that comparable Android handsets are vs the iPhone). If it's that $400 is still too much, despite a lot of armchair 'I'd buy an android tablet with the iPad's specs without Apple's 'crazy' markup' talk on slashdot, I have to assume that people simply don't realise what it costs to make a tablet. It seems that they certainly are out there.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304270)

> the iTunes Store is not a large source of profit for apple

Yet. Hardware is a losing game in the long term. Moore's law is running into Good Enough and when that happens prices fall through the floor. See the thread this weekend on desktop PCs. It is eating up the smartphone space now and pads/tablets will also trend toward no profit commodity. And iTunes will still be making thirty thick and juicy points. Steve Jobs isn't stupid. It might suck to be his customer but it is great to be one his investors.

> So, I will say it again - if Apple is making an outrageously large profit on the iPad then where are the
> many, many companies would can undercut the iPad with the same specs?

First off, capitalism works over the long haul but short term corporations can be stupid, wrong headed and make mistakes. And the tablet market is intertwined with the cell companies so it is probable some of their stupid has rubbed off. Snark aside I think they looked at the iPad and took the wrong lesson because they wanted to hear it. They saw Apple making their insane margins and though the buying public wanted tablets and would pay through the nose for em. In a recession where the profits of the hardware side of the computing industry has been nuked form orbit for a decade before that idea of a new segment opening where there was PROFIT to be had was a story they wanted to be true. Apple, because the RDF (controlling the commanding heights of the culture for one, their products are placed EVERYWHERE) has always been able to command premiums over the base value of the product since the Mac.

And remember that just anyone CAN'T roll a competitive tablet. Google is playing some sort of game that nobody has sussed out yet in withholding the versions of Android most suitable for tablets to only select vendors who are bound by unknown conditions. Android 2.2 just ain't going to make it into the big leagues and so the generic chinese oems stick to cheap rubbish hardware they sell dirt cheap and still make nice markup.

The HP fiasco just might have sent a wakeup call though. There just aren't enough slashdot nerds to have snatched up all that inventory so fast. Hell, by the time it hit slashdot they were gone. I called around when the story broke and couldn't get in on the deal. It struck a chord, it changed perceptions.

> If an iPad-comparable tablet could be sold for $100+ less or more by someone else, it would
> already be on the shelves - it's not rocket science.

iPads go for $499-$999, there are a lot of pretty decent tablets going under the $499 mark. But being $50 cheaper won't counter a marketing campaign so pervasive. Half does. See the PC vs Mac battle and now the iPhone vs Android smartphone battle.

Although I really consider the lot of em 1.0 products. A tablet needs to be an ereader and there ain't a tablet or ebook marketed yet that I'd buy for more than simple novel grazing. I want something that can display an 8 1/2 x 11 letter page at least at fax (fine mode) resolution and have enough gpu//cpu grunt to flawlessly flick around in the pages to look up a bit of information with the speed of a physical book. EPUB is nice and all, but there are zillions of pages formatted for letter paper stored in PDFs and I need to view them.

Re:A cheapo tablet is going to be a compromise (1)

The Dawn Of Time (2115350) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303180)

Ahh, yet another Slashdot economics genius. You guys rule, you're my second favorite Slashdot stereotype after the free entertainment crowd.

Politically incorrect joke ahead (-1, Troll)

nysus (162232) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302846)

They are calling it the "JewJew."

Re:Politically incorrect joke ahead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37303026)

Says the guy who " was able to bootstrap a web development shop that does about $200 to $300K per year in business without a loan."

How's that working out for you now, bitchus?

$249 (1)

hsa (598343) | more than 3 years ago | (#37302884)

I clicked the link and read TFA:

For that you'll get 8GB of storage, but a 16GB model will go for $249, 32GB for $299. We're told only the 16GB and 32GB models will be shipped to the US..

So... they'll have a 8GB $200 model, somewhere, probably always sold out, and the real price will be between $249 - $299.

will sell well. (4, Interesting)

markhahn (122033) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303158)

I'll be buying at least one, assuming it's not a botch. To qualify as a botch, Lenovo would need to make the same mistakes as all those no-name $100 tabs: no gpu, insensitive touch, bad display, bad battery life. To win, the tablet doesn't need to even pretend to be an ipad, or for that matter a media player or have any cameras. There is a market for a highly portable (small, 8hr battery, fairly light) touchscreen connectivity (wifi) device. To the user, the most salient aspect of a tablet is the display: it needs to be nice looking (decent IPS, AMOLED), with a modern GPU (snappiness is 99% of the feel of the UI), fairly nice to hold (doesn't have to be CNC-milled spacecraft titanium).

We already have touchscreen thermostats, fridges, home alarm systems, conference-room-status displays, POS terminals. why not just use a cheap android tablet instead? Heck, why not use them for menus at (sit-down) restaurants? Or to keep customers happy when they're having their oil changed or hair cut?

Since the dominant component in all tabs is the display, that's what needs to be optimized. My guess is that integrating touch into the active matrix itself is the main win, though just integrating would eliminate a sheet of glass (material cost, assembly cost, thickness and weight). Cameras don't cost anything, nor do accelerometers, etc. All the teardowns show batteries come after the display/touch assembly, then 3g-type interfaces. (wifi and bluetooth are cheap.) And people: quit the flash-size pissing match: you don't need even 8 GB for a fully-functioning surf-pad. There's no reason for a connectivity tablet to have space for multiple movies - it doesn't have to be a PMP!

Lenovo knows these things, and is not trying to prove anything (unlike, oh, say HP).

Adroid tablet price avalanche ? Oh yes! please... (3, Insightful)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303356)

Since the time overpriced tablets hit the stores, on-line and off, I can't keep wondering why people fee the urge, buying these overpriced gizmos. The netbook, which was on the same boat few years ago, is now, obtainable around $200 price point, which gives you at least twice the CPU power in most cases, a full keyboard, multiple expansion ports, more memory and storage space, alas, no touch screen. But knowing the price point of a touchscreen, sacrificing all other advantages of a netbook over a tablet, should be able to compensate the cost of a touchscreen addition and then some. So, why people are buying tablet at 4-500 dollars price points is beyond my understanding. It is time that some sensible company to get a clue that, the yahoos of this world got their overpriced gizmos and the rest of us will not give them any of our hard earned money for a sub-par device, just because it is the hot thing to have while sipping your coffee at Starbucks. Kudos to Amazon, Lenovo and whoever else comes up with cheap but equally powerful, if not more, tablets to the market.

Re:Adroid tablet price avalanche ? Oh yes! please. (1)

darrylo (97569) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303860)

The netbook, which was on the same boat few years ago, is now, obtainable around $200 price point, which gives you at least twice the CPU power in most cases, a full keyboard, multiple expansion ports, more memory and storage space, alas, no touch screen.

Not everyone is like you, not everyone has your preferences, and not everyone thinks like you.

If all you're doing are web surfing, email/chat/IM, and basic games -- which is what the majority of consumers do -- a tablet is functionally better than a netbook (let's see how many people pay attention to that word, as I'm arguing about tablets vs netbooks, and not tablets vs tablets):

* No 2-3 second waiting for a resume. A tablet's responsiveness is generally very snappy compared to the netbook.

* For the unwashed masses, the use model (a finger) is more natural than the traditional keyboard and mouse/trackpad.

* The form-factor is more convenient. You can easily hold a tablet with one hand and control it with the other. Holding a netbook with one hand and typing with the other is just awkward (not to mention that you've got to unfold it first and maybe hit the power button if you have a model that doesn't automatically turn on when opened).

* Polishing touches such as smart covers. Seriously, to anyone who hasn't used an iPad, smart covers may seem like "total meh", but it's actually a genius-level polishing touch: stuff automatically turns on when you take it out, and stuff automatically turns off when you put it away. You don't have to hit a power button.

* Consumers (not the people on /.) generally care about what you can do with a product, and care less about specs.

You may not care about the above points, and may think that I'm crazy (and maybe rightfully so :), but, for most consumers, a tablet's "experience" (yes, I hate that word) really is better than a netbook's.

Yes, tablets don't work well for some things. They're not great at writing long documents, although wireless bluetooth keyboards help, and they downright suck at software development. However, for the majority of what consumers generally want to do, they do it well. And, the market is proving that, for better or worse, consumers are willing to pay iPad prices. Tablet manufacturers do well, netbook manufacturers not so much.

I have a netbook and a tablet, and my netbook has pretty much sat unused since I got the tablet (my old Asus eee 1005ha runs like a dog compared to the tablet). And, while I don't agree with everything, here's an opinion on the changing PC/tablet landscape [techcrunch.com] .

Right now, I think only Amazon's upcoming tablet has a chance of hurting iPad sales, even though it's not really meant to be a competitor. Amazon is probably the only one with the ecosystem that can compete.

Re:Adroid tablet price avalanche ? Oh yes! please. (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304048)

No 2-3 second waiting for a resume. A tablet's responsiveness is generally very snappy compared to the netbook.

By convention of Windows/Linux behavior, not due to form factor (incidentally, not without a tradeoff, those slow to resume devices get much more sleep life in them).

No 2-3 second waiting for a resume. A tablet's responsiveness is generally very snappy compared to the netbook.

Depends. I've never meant someone who thinks text entry is easier with screen vs. keyboard, the debate would be if it is *worth* it, which varies greatly with use case.

The form-factor is more convenient

This really really depends. Sure, if you are standing then the Tablet will be more convenient. If you are sitting,without some sort of prop stand you are having to support the weight with your hands while a laptop/notebook has a table or your lap holding the wieght flat and a hinge holding the screen at a suitable angle. Also, redundant with previous point, you can do text entry without blocking the screen or looking at your fingers.

Polishing touches such as smart covers.

While I don't think saving the user a power button press is no big deal, I do think the cover doubling as a propstand greatly mitigates the issue of discomfort on a table (though not lap).

Consumers (not the people on /.) generally care about what you can do with a product, and care less about specs.

True, *but* what you *can* do is significantly influenced by specs. All the ecosystem in the world won't make a tablet without expansion or GPS give you reasonable directions, and conversely a tablet with massive specs is useless without software to use them.

although wireless bluetooth keyboards help,

See, this is even *less* convenient to tote around and set up than a laptop.

Re:Adroid tablet price avalanche ? Oh yes! please. (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304034)

Perhaps because the tablet is offering them.... shock horror, a user experience that is *not* like a tiny laptop?

To use a car analogy, why would I buy a sleek, 2 seater sports car as a single guy with no kids when I could buy a Minivan - not only is the Minivan cheaper than the sports car, but it has more storage space, more features, more cup holders, more 12V power sockets, a cool sliding side door that makes it easy to get in and out of in a crowded parking lot and it can carry 7 people!

So much better than a 2 seater sports car that can't do any of that! Why on earth would I buy anything *other* than a Minivan - it has the most features per unit value so it is obviously the only vehicle anyone should ever consider buying. It's time some sensible company realised that only yahoos buy anything other than Minivans and that the rest of us will not give our hard earned money for a sub-par car.

Re:Adroid tablet price avalanche ? Oh yes! please. (1)

thsths (31372) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304074)

> The netbook, which was on the same boat few years ago, is now, obtainable around $200 price point, which gives you at least twice the CPU power in most cases, a full keyboard, multiple expansion ports, more memory and storage space, alas, no touch screen.

I agree about extension ports and easy of installing software, but I am not sure about the CPU power. It is difficult to compare, but it seems that the HP TouchPad actually has more CPU and graphics power than a (single core) Atom. Good tablets certainly feel faster than a netbook (which are typically slugging even under light use). Still netbooks have their place - for example if you want to give a PowerPoint presentation on a projector. It just works.

So? (1)

zmooc (33175) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303380)

Budget? Yes. Groundbreaking or newsworthy? No. There's a gazillion tablets with similar specs and similar pricing on the market.

You lost me at the spec list (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303484)

It includes a 1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, along with other features more commonly seen on higher-priced tablets, such as dual cameras, bluetooth, GPS, wifi, and a MicroSD slot.

Tablets are not about specs like these. They are about what someone can do.

This I feel like is a really poor competitor to either the iPad or the Amazon tablet, because you'll be able to do a lot less than you would with either of those devices...

Amazon understands this totally which is why I think it'll be real competition and very popular.

Still looking (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 3 years ago | (#37303602)

I'm still looking for a replacement for my Garmin iQue 3600 (GPS, PDA, no phone and no phone bill). Maybe an Android tablet nobody wants is just the thing!

Nook Color killer? (1)

flibbidyfloo (451053) | more than 3 years ago | (#37304204)

I have to say that with a faster CPU, a newer version of android, and more hardware features like GPS, front- and rear-facing cameras, as well as a $50 cheaper price tag, I think B&N may be in trouble! If the screen on this baby looks as good as the NC's (which looks phenomenal for the price), why would anyone buy an NC?

You just load up B&N's android app on this puppy.

Honestly, if I can get my hands on one of these, my rooted NC may end up on eBay.

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