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Microsoft Training May Have Helped Tunisian Regime To Spy On Citizens

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the all-about-the-benjamins dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A document released in the recent Cablegate leak reveals that Microsoft provided training to the Tunisian Ministries of Justice and the Interior in exchange for exemption from the country's open software policy. These Ministries would soon put the training to use by phishing for the social networking credentials of bloggers, reporters, political activists and protesters. Microsoft's assistance resulted in the sale of 12,000 software licenses to the Tunisian government." The cable itself details the effort Microsoft put into negotiating a deal. Their clear intent was simply expanding into a new market, but the author of the cable was skeptical of the Tunisian government's adherence to its stated goals. Quoting: "In theory, increasing GOT law enforcement capability through IT training is positive, but given heavy-handed GOT interference in the internet, Post questions whether this will expand GOT capacity to monitor its own citizens."

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Wow (0, Flamebait)

Mensa Babe (675349) | about 3 years ago | (#37311354)

Microsoft was helping to oppress innocent people by a totalitarian regime to get a chance to sabotage the Free Software movement? Wow. Just wow. This is low. Even for Microsoft. Is there anything that the richest man in the world won't do to get even richer? With all of that money he should be dating supermodels in Paris for the rest of his life but no, he prefers to help putting heroic individuals in jail for having guts to say what they think so that he could sell more of his precious licenses! How do such bastards sleep at night is completely beyond me. I won't repeat what I have already said [slashdot.org] about corporations that help to maintain dictatorships all over the world. I will only add that sabotaging the Free Software movement adds insult to the injury. We should all be outraged and never buy anything from Microsoft ever again. I call for a boycott of Microsoft until they explain themselves and repair the harm.

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

St.Creed (853824) | about 3 years ago | (#37311364)

Gates is rich enough. But I'm guessing the local sales rep isn't a billionaire yet.

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

ge7 (2194648) | about 3 years ago | (#37311402)

Well even the summary notes that Microsoft was basically offering them generic computer training. Now slashdot (note that we don't even have article here!) needs a good MS-bashing title - hey, lets go with "Microsoft helped Tunisia to spy on citizen". No, we need to tone it down a little.. what about "Microsoft may have helped Tunisia to spy on citizens"? Good.

Seriously, all Microsoft knew was giving them computer training. What about we start writing news on how school chemistry classes allow people to make bombs? Or god forbid, cooking tv shows teach you how to use a knife!

Re:Wow (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37311468)

Do you really think that, during a 5 year negotiation process, which included a variety of topics including training, licensing, IP policy, and training and support for state IT capabilities, poor lil' Microsoft just had no earthly idea what likely use would be made?

Re:Wow (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 3 years ago | (#37312314)

Do you honestly expect a foreign government to be so stupid as to reveal their plans of misuse to an American corporation? Any government that incompetant is no threat to anyone but themselves.

Re:Wow (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311502)

Actualy, no. Microsoft provide intensive training to police forces, specificaly on MS security features, as mentionned in chapter 1.1 and 1.3 of the leaked agreement. Curious how the first 3 part of the contract are about security features (1.2 is about the local certificate autority and its inclusion in future MS update). You can access this agreement here (french and arabic) http://www.fhimt.com/leaks/contrat-entre-microsoft-et-le-gouvernement-tunisien/

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 3 years ago | (#37311570)

The linked source even says that Microsoft agreed to help train handicapped workers to telecommute so they could get employment. MS: being evil by helping all those damned cripples. The whole summary is a massive sensationalist attempt to create a "scandal" where none really exists, or rather where no proof of one really exists (maybe MS helped Tunisia, maybe they didn't.) Otherwise, this is just a pretty standard trade deal for IT software. Not illegal, probably not even immoral at all. Maybe there is more to it, but I don't think so. Computer training is not hard to find, these days, what MS was really selling was the licenses (which don't help Tunisia with it's crackdown at all) and what MS got was Tunisia using less pirated software. Oh, and note the part where all this happened before the trouble, and it was a five-year in the making deal.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311868)

Oh, and note the part where all this happened before the trouble, and it was a five-year in the making deal.

If the citizens of Tunisia revolting against an oppressive government is considered 'trouble' then I guess that's true.

how about a scanned contract? (4, Informative)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37311944)

http://www.fhimt.com/leaks/contrat-entre-microsoft-et-le-gouvernement-tunisien/ [fhimt.com]

Support de l'autorité de certification électronique reconnue au niveau de Microsoft IE

Microsoft inclura dans son cycle de mise à jour des autorités de certificats au niveau d'Internet Explorer, le support de l'autorité de certification nationale. De son coté, le Gouvernement Tunisien procédera à une demande écrite dans ce sense auprès de Microsoft pour la mise en place de cette procédure

google translation:

Support for electronic certification authority recognized at Microsoft IE

Microsoft will include in its cycle of updating the certificate authorities in Internet Explorer, support for the national certification authority. For its part, the Tunisian Government will make a written request in this sense to
Microsoft's implementation of this procedure.

English translation:

Tunisia's certificate authority allows it to release it's own SSL certificates. Microsoft agrees to include Tunisia's CA certificates in Internet Explorer updates.

Thats fine. But it also allows the dictator to spoof https sites and thus snoop on people even if they are using SSL. There is evidence that exactly this has happened in Tunisia with sites like gmail. See

http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2010/07/05/mass-gmail-phishing-in-tunisia/ [globalvoicesonline.org]

I know there is a lot of bullshit assumptions in some of the articles on this issue, but there is definitely some fire at the heart of the smoke.

Re:Wow (1, Flamebait)

WNight (23683) | about 3 years ago | (#37311982)

this is just a pretty standard trade deal for IT software. Not illegal, probably not even immoral at all.

Almost certainly immoral, possibly illegal.

How standard it is just speaks to the level of corruption and dishonesty in business, not the inherent rightness.

MS was really selling was the licenses (which don't help Tunisia with it's crackdown at all) and what MS got was Tunisia using less pirated software.

Oh gosh, I didn't know they had business goals. Well shucks then, all's fair if you're trying to make a buck.

Oh, and note the part where all this happened before the trouble, and it was a five-year in the making deal.

Oh, note how the cable (circa 2006) questions the goals of the Tunisian government. Even then their dictatorial activities were well known.

Further, Microsoft was negotiating a government-enforced monopoly. You'd have to be stupid to think that would help the people. They're clearly buying favors from the government that go against the good of the people. They're slime even if there isn't a law against it in this case.

The linked source even says that Microsoft agreed to help train handicapped workers to telecommute so they could get employment. MS: being evil by helping all those damned cripples

The linked source even calls the charity "backroom dealing required to finalize a deal" so we can safely assume (based on other Tunisian leaks) that MS simply kicked back much of the government's purchase price to the ruling family. It's part of how dictators drain their economies into their personal accounts.

Re:Wow (1)

jbengt (874751) | about 3 years ago | (#37312106)

I agree that this may be overblown, at least from what I can glean from the links.

The whole summary is a massive sensationalist attempt to create a "scandal"

The sensationalist part of the TFS is a quote of the linked ZDnet article, and the headline of TFS is less sensationalist than the headline of TFA.

Not illegal, probably not even immoral at all.

Iit was a negotiation to override current policy that was at least amoral, probably somewhat unethical, and possibly extra-legal. (we don't have all the facts)
From the leaked cable:

Since 2001, the GOT adopted an open software policy, using only free software programs. . .
future GOT tenders for IT equipment will specify that the equipment must be Microsoft compatible, which is currently prohibited by the Tunisian open software policy. . .
Microsoft's reticence to fully disclose the details of the agreement further highlights the GOT emphasis on secrecy over transparency. In theory, increasing GOT law enforcement capability through IT training is positive, but given heavy-handed GOT interference in the internet, Post questions whether this will expand GOT capacity to monitor its own citizens.

how about this cable? (2)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37312150)

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=07TUNIS1286&q=linux [cablegatesearch.net]

"
US companies selling quality products cannot compete on a
price basis. Microsoft gave the example of PC procurement,
in which the GOT procurement commission does not specify an
operating system in their RFPs. This results in the PCs
being shipped with the Linux,s open source operating system,
which does not support Microsoft software. The Microsoft
representative argued that this has encouraged piracy and
resulted in GOT PCs using pirated Microsoft software. She
continued that the fact that the EU Commission and the
African Development Bank accept these GOT procurement laws
only encourages the GOT to maintain government procurement on
a lowest cost basis.
"

in other words, not shipping Windows with a PC = piracy

then there is the whole Tunisian Certificate Authority being put into Internet Explorer updates thing (which should have been the real story IMHO)

Re:how about this cable? (1)

Eskarel (565631) | about 3 years ago | (#37312924)

Or you could see it as arguing that mandating that only open source software be purchased doesn't mean that closed source software isn't being used. It's all fine and dandy to order a PC with Linux on it, but if you order a PC with Linux on it when what you really want is Microsoft Office, do you reckon the government employees are doing without or using pirated copies. Prohibiting the purchase of any kind of software doesn't stop that software being used, just purchased.

Re:Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311692)

...and ge7 the brave Microsoft shill emerges to defend MS yet again

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311878)

In other news, American training of Afgan soldiers leads to deaths of Afgan citizens.

Re:Wow (0, Offtopic)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37311978)

I mentioned this earlier. Most reasonable posters left Slashdot for Reddit, Hacker News, and even Digg, leaving behind the really hardcore posters who visit Slashdot solely to find reasons to hate Microsoft, the RIAA, Apple, etc. That is the majority of the readership now. Slashdot today caters to a lowest common denominator demographic, similar to what TechCrunch tries to do, where sensationalism and page views are what's most important.

Look at this submission from a week ago, Only Idiots Don't Give Back To Free Software [slashdot.org] . Not only was the summary worded to make it look like Jim Zemlin was referring to end-users and not downstream organizations, but the submission itself is from the author of the article being linked--Julie Bort at Network World. So the person who knew exactly what their own article was actually about intentionally phrased the summary in a way that would lead to a different conclusion in order to inflame Slashdot readers and drive page views.

Now, we have a story with a "may" headline. These are as bad as question headlines ("Could So-And-So Be Dangerous To Your Health?"), where something is implied, but because an outright claim isn't being made in the headline, the author believes they're technically not lying.

Seriously, all Microsoft knew was giving them computer training. What about we start writing news on how school chemistry classes allow people to make bombs? Or god forbid, cooking tv shows teach you how to use a knife!

Hell, the Chinese government uses its own Linux distribution. That must mean open source is helping China oppress its citizens!

Re:Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311998)

Fuck you. I hope a Tunisian goes to your home and kicks your fucking teeth in.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | about 3 years ago | (#37311486)

Gates is rich enough. But I'm guessing the local sales rep isn't a billionaire yet.

No, but that only makes it even worse: That sales rep sold out an entire country's people in exchange for a few grand worth of commissions.

More to the point, somebody hired a sales rep willing to do that. And that willingness stems from a flaw in Microsoft's business model. The quality and price of their products has never matched their market share; they subsist on inertia and lock-in. The problem with that model is that all it would take to break it is for a single medium-sized country to decide that they would rather spend a billion dollars once to implement all of the APIs, file format converters, migration tools, etc. to make switching from Microsoft to FOSS easy and popular in order to avoid having that same country's government and people continue to pay an even greater amount of money every year to a foreign corporation. The last thing in the world they need is for some oil-rich dictators to conclude that they could implement a feature-complete open-source equivalent of Exchange Server for less than the amount of money their country pays to license it.

So when Tunisia or China or whoever else comes to Microsoft and makes demands, Microsoft bends. Because Microsoft can't afford for those countries to make the path away from Microsoft's ecosystem simple, well-documented and conspicuous. So yes, you can blame the sales rep who did the deed, but that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has left itself in the position that it has to yield to crackpot dictators who violate human rights in order to maintain its market dominance.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311702)

Microsoft employment is not known for being ethical by any stretch. They're a high pressure big business corporation that's so stressful that people die/commit suicide/etc all the time. If ethics are of your concern, working at microsoft should not even be a consideration.

and apples nazi app store censorship is just as ba (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 3 years ago | (#37311372)

and apples nazi app store censorship + tracking is just as bad.

Re:and apples nazi app store censorship is just as (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311686)

My dad can beat up your dad.

Re:and apples nazi app store censorship is just as (1)

wmbetts (1306001) | about 3 years ago | (#37312094)

Oh yeah? My god can beat up your god.

Re:and apples nazi app store censorship is just as (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37313506)

The standard reply is, "My dad is your dad." ;P

Re:Wow (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 years ago | (#37311460)

Duh. Welcome to capitalism. If there's a buck to be made, a human life becomes secondary.

Re:Wow (1, Troll)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 years ago | (#37311546)

As in all threads relating to Microsoft, prepare to be utterly disgusted. The company's defenders are going to be here promoting the most abhorrent and misanthropic arguments, or attempting to deflect the dialog. It is evil, but it works.

Re:Wow (0)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37312494)

Your're batshit insane. You're so conditioned from anti-Microsoft stories on Slashdot that you actually use religious terminology like "evil" and believe that offering general computer training--that was Microsoft's only intent, as stated right in the summary--somehow means Microsoft helped spy on Tunisian citizens.

Think of the ridiculous leap being made here. If Microsoft offers computer training that is subsequently used to do something bad, that means Microsoft is responsible? Was Flight Simulator also responsible for 9/11? Does the fact that the Chinese government uses Linux mean open source is contributing to the oppression of Chinese political dissidents? Is torrent software responsible for the piracy of its users?

Re:Wow (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 3 years ago | (#37313162)

Read the damned comments. Are they not as I described? What is your issue? Is an ability to anticipate a regular occurrence insane in your eyes? Call me crazy: tomorrow night it will be dark outside.

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 3 years ago | (#37313250)

Your're batshit insane.

And you're intentionally blind to reality.

offering general computer training--that was Microsoft's only intent,

  1. 1. The cable specifically mentions Microsoft knew the Tunisian government would misuse the training.
  2. 2. Microsoft knowingly provided CA certs so the Tunisian government could use spoofed https sites to spy on, and persecute their own citizens.

Microsoft did these things because they are a deeply unethical company that is so obsessed with eliminating competitors they are prepared to trample civil rights if it forwards their goals.

It's interesting that you share the same ability to ignore ethics and evidence in your determination to evangelise for Microsoft.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37313016)

Oh no, I'm not disgusted. Anti-ms trolls like you are entertaining.

Re:Wow (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 3 years ago | (#37311564)

Microsoft was helping to oppress innocent people by a totalitarian regime to get a chance to sabotage the Free Software movement? Wow. Just wow. This is low. Even for Microsoft.

You're right, this is pretty low for a company who needs successful P.R. to keep printing money. So, Mensa Babe, I have a question for you: When you said "This is low even for Microsoft", how come you landed with all four paws on the assumption was that Bill Gates personally ordered it instead of asking whether or not this story wasn't spun to sell ads?

Re:Wow (1)

WNight (23683) | about 3 years ago | (#37312014)

Yeah, because lower-level employees routinely approach foreign governments and bargain for laws to be changed without the higher-ups noticing.

But whatever. Even if he setup a business where such things were done without his oversight, it doesn't lessen his moral responsibility to watch what his influence is being used to do.

because his name is on the contract (1)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37312174)

http://www.fhimt.com/leaks/contrat-entre-microsoft-et-le-gouvernement-tunisien/ [fhimt.com]

Afrique du Sud - Cape Town - GLF Africa, le 11 Julliet 2006,

EN LA PRESENCE ET EN QUALITE DE TEMOIN:

M. Bill GATES
Chairman & Chief Software Architect, Microsoft Corporation

POUR LES PARTIES CONTRACTANTES

M Kate SHALLOE
Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited

POUR MICROSOFT

Director General Microsoft Tunisie

POUR LE GOUVERNEMENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE TUNISIENNE

Secretaire d'Etat aupres du Ministre des Techonlogies de la Communication chargee de l'Informatique, de l'Internet et des Logiciels libres

----

unless you believe that the fhimt.com people fabricated an 18 page contract in French and Arabic... i'd say that Mr Gates has his name right there, same contract that talks about sending Tunisian government Cert Authority with IE updates.

Re:Wow (1)

sjames (1099) | about 3 years ago | (#37312548)

He sure didn't mind when the money flowed uphill to him, so he gets to take the responsibility too.

If MS had a pattern of behavior that suggested this was an uncharacteristic move, it would be easier to believe it was a rogue manager exceeding his authority and acting against policy.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311578)

Holy overreaction batman. Next, you'll start blaming the terrorist regime at Institute for Advanced Studies for their involvement in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and question their ability to sleep peacefully at night.

Wow. Just wow. This is low. Even for Slashdot.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311934)

You are the creepiest troll on Slashdot. You post obsessively in every story, you constantly link to your past posts, and you call yourself a "proud member of Mensa." The "I call for a boycott of Microsoft" line at the end of your post gave away the ruse, unfortunately.

Re:Wow (1)

wsxyz (543068) | about 3 years ago | (#37312052)

Is there anything that the richest man in the world won't do to get even richer?

No, Carlos Slim will do anything for one more peso.
What does that have to do with this story anyway?

Re:Wow (0)

MarkTina (611072) | about 3 years ago | (#37312370)

Do you live in a happy little world with talking fluffy bunnies by any chance ?

The world of business is there to make money and that's it, if you can negotiate a deal where your products and services get priority over someone elses then you take it and run to the bank!

I used to sell systems to a US sponsored outfit that recorded telephone calls in the old East Germany from West Germany .. what's the issue ? Honestly and truely is there anyone who actually cares if someone you don't know, have never met, never will meet, who'se in a country that you can't find on a map and will never go to, has been "spied" upon ?

Find something worthwhile to fight for rather than trying to promote how much better free software is over paid software .. personally I detest most "free" software as a large percentage is unfinished crap and I'd rather buy from a company I can hold accountable if I have problems

Karma: Positive (probably because of superiour intellect)

I do hope hope your spelling mistake was intentional and just a parody of your "superiour" intellect...

Re:Wow (2)

vadim_t (324782) | about 3 years ago | (#37312972)

Do you live in a happy little world with talking fluffy bunnies by any chance ?

No, but it should have some.

The world of business is there to make money and that's it, if you can negotiate a deal where your products and services get priority over someone elses then you take it and run to the bank!

Yeah, you're only saying that because nobody properly screwed you over yet.

I used to sell systems to a US sponsored outfit that recorded telephone calls in the old East Germany from West Germany .. what's the issue ?

It's absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself?

Honestly and truely is there anyone who actually cares if someone you don't know, have never met, never will meet, who'se in a country that you can't find on a map and will never go to, has been "spied" upon ?

On a personal level, probably not, on a general level, hell yes. There's got to be something else to life than blind pursuit of money. Otherwise we'll all find any quality of life fly out of the window soon enough.

Find something worthwhile to fight for rather than trying to promote how much better free software is over paid software .. personally I detest most "free" software as a large percentage is unfinished crap and I'd rather buy from a company I can hold accountable if I have problems

Ah, but how does that mesh with your philosophy? Why would I have any reason to care about what some guy I have never met, will never met, in a country I don't know, thinks I should be doing?

BTW, I don't think you've ever tried to hold any such company accountable for anything. Hint: you're way too much of a small fry for them to bother with anything for your sake. Now sign a contract for a couple million, then they'll pay attention.

Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311362)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311376)

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DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311436)

Courtesy of mister_playboy [slashdot.org]

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311916)

I really enjoyed that very much. Thank you.

Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (3, Interesting)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about 3 years ago | (#37311380)

Can anyone knowledgable comment? There are quite a few articles around saying that the key thing that MS did was to put in a certificate for the Tunisian Government in Windows / Internet explorer which let them intercept any domain they wanted to; See this posting in Scribd [scribd.com] . If that's true it's a much more serious betrayal of their users by Microsoft.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37311456)

Maybe state CAs are swapped in according to localization; or I suck at finding them; but I didn't manage to locate any such cert in an EN-US win7 machine. I don't, of course, have any access to whatever localization Tunisian systems would be using.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

FrangoAssado (561740) | about 3 years ago | (#37311678)

The Windows XP machine I'm using has the Tunisian government certificate authority installed (it's named "Agence Nationale de Certification Electronique").

An easy way to check if you have it is to simply go to the Tunisian Certification Agency site [certification.tn] (with https). If your browser shows a warning saying that the certificate authority can't be confirmed (or something like that), you don't have the Tunisian Govt CA. If it doesn't show any warnings, it probably means you do have the CA -- to check it, ask your browser about the certification information of the site (by clicking in the "lock" icon). Somewhere in the interface (I'm not sure how much it changed in Windows 7) you should see the "certification path" -- the root should be a certificate named "Agence Nationale de Certification Electronique", and in its details you can see the issuer country is TN (Tunisia).

<rant>
The situation of https authentication is increasingly a joke. Look at the number of CAs you have installed in Windows. Any of these organizations could sign any site, which means that simply seeing a lock icon in your browser's URL bar means almost nothing; for it to mean anything, you should check who signed the site's certificate.
</rant>

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37311854)

How curious. I still cannot find any mention of the certificate, or the CA in the system certificates management interface; but IE sure does seem happy with the certificate and the root...

I revise my earlier comment to the effect that "either I suck at finding them, or Microsoft sucks at showing them".

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | about 3 years ago | (#37312086)

Well Google isn't Microsoft and they don't seem to mind telling me the Agence Nationale de Certification Electronique is just fine as well within Chrome. I don't have firefox, but I doubt it's any different.

Bad government or not, I'm betting most browsers aren't going to have fits over it.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37312140)

On Windows clients, at any rate, Chrome uses the system certificate store, same as IE, so behavior should be identical(barring any ad-hoc bodging in response to particular issues). I don't know what Chrome on other platforms does.

FF does its own thing, independent of the OS/DE provided certificate store, and throws an untrusted certificate warning.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about 3 years ago | (#37313180)

In my case both Chromium and Firefox reject the certificate. So it's clearly a Microsoft thing to accept it.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

Ltap (1572175) | about 3 years ago | (#37312168)

Testing that site on Firefox 6.0.1, I get an error page which says the following:

www.certification.tn uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.

So Firefox definitely does find something fishy about it, though this might be completely unrelated.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (2)

rim_namor (2454342) | about 3 years ago | (#37311508)

6. (C) In a call on DCM a few days before the South Africa Forum, Smaoui worried that she was going to the Forum without a signed agreement in hand and could not confirm that the GOT's representative would even show up. She fretted that she might have to confess to Bill Gates that she had no reason to be at the Forum. In the event, Khedija Ghariani, Secretary of State for Computers, Internet, and Free SIPDIS Software, attended and signed the agreement on behalf of the GOT. Despite the drawn-out negotiations, Smaoui stated that reaching an agreement was "vital" for Microsoft. ...... Even as the goal of expanding employment opportunities for handicapped Tunisians is worthy, the program's affiliation with Leila Ben Ali's charity is indicative of the backroom maneuvering sometimes required to finalize a deal.

first of all, this likely is a violation of FCPA [wikipedia.org] , this is the stuff that Murdoch is facing BTW, so he is trying to repeal this law.

Microsoft's reticence to fully disclose the details of the agreement further highlights the GOT emphasis on secrecy over transparency. In theory, increasing GOT law enforcement capability through IT training is positive, but given heavy-handed GOT interference in the internet, Post questions whether this will expand GOT capacity to monitor its own citizens. Ultimately, for Microsoft the benefits outweigh the costs.

- secondly, here we have a company (MS) conspiring with a foreign government in order to limit freedoms of entire nation. If there is nothing illegal about this, then everything on this planet is f.d up.

might be illegall.. who will enforce the law? (2)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37311976)

obama's DOJ is too busy going after journalists and 'leakers'

(Stephen Kim, Jeffrey Sterling, Shamai Leibowitz, Thomas Drake, Bradley Manning)

In fact, Bradley Manning is quite probably being charged specifically with giving out this cable, as it is probably one of the 100,000+ he is charged with under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and Theft of Government Property laws.

in essence... the government we have now would allow Microsoft to break this law, but they would put the guy in jail who let you know that it happened.

and I'm not just talking about manning, im talking about the Cambridge associates who are under Grand Juries right now.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311510)

That Scribd article claims that Firefox won't resolve the first link but IE will, and claims that as evidence that MS is up to something horrible; problem is that Firefox 6.0.1 certainly does resolve it with no errors at all. This calls the veracity of the entire article into question.

Re:Maybe it's more than that; it's their CA (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37312146)

It was probably Firefox 4 or 5 for which that applies, between the crazy release cycle of major Firefox versions and slashdot's habit of posting things late, it's unlikely that Firefox 6.0.1 was used by the person writing the story.

In other news (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311400)

GE power turbine used to energize torture cables

Caterpillar tractor harvested crops to feed dictator

Re:In other news (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311706)

GE makes missiles and other weapons of mass destruction.

Caterpillar sells bulldozers to Israel that are used to run over and kill people, as well as illegal home demolitions.

In other news, blissfully ignorant American is ignorant.

Re:In other news (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37312160)

That's hardly interesting, in both of those cases the equipment would have to be used in a legitimate way before that could happen. Unless GE generators are being hooked up directly to the cables used for torture, it's highly unlikely that GE would know that it's being used for nefarious purposes rather than for humanitarian ones.

As for Caterpillar, under that scenario it's unlikely that they'd have done anything wrong, so long as they didn't need to break an embargo to ship the equipment over there.

In other news, Knuth was tarred and feathered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311414)

...for writing books that allowed totalitarian regimes to write software to oppress their native peoples.

Re:In other news, Knuth was tarred and feathered.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311442)

Knuth didn't put a false certificate authority for totalitarian regimes in the code examples.

No surprises (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311430)

This is a very common, age-old practice. Exchange of info, tools and technologies among all sorts of governments, call them democracies or dictatorships as you wish, happens every day.

Deals such as Microsoft's with the Tunisian government or the recently exposed Diginotar's with the Iranian government (likely at the command of the Dutch government) are just two small examples.

ANY communications technology in general, and our current internet structure in particular, is by definition and by design unsecure and totally controllable by anyone who has the means, the resources, and the motivation to do so. Tie that with political and financial interests of all sorts of corporate and government entities and you see why these seemingly unfathomable cooperations take place.

Re:No surprises (1)

Caesar Tjalbo (1010523) | about 3 years ago | (#37311496)

(likely at the command of the Dutch government)

Unlikely, their own certificates were compromised too. The way Diginotar went about in their business and the way they handled the fall-out is reminiscent of IT gaffes by the Dutch government (unfair, you rarely hear about the things that do go right but that's assuming there are things that go right). The average Dutch government wouldn't hesitate about letting the USA spy services in though but not the Iranians.

Re:No surprises (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311874)

Caesar,

Appreciate your point. You would have been right in your point except that you seem to be unaware of the depth and extent of cooperation between "western" and specifically in this case Iranian "security" agencies. The fact that the Dutch governments own certificates were messed with too does not negate the possibility of their hand being in this whole debacle. Many European governments have deep coopeartion with the Iranian regime against this regime's oppents and on other issues of "mutual interest".

It is well known that Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, and others have sold telecom spying equipment and software to the Iranian government. In principle, these sales are impossible without (of course secret) backing of the relevent European governments.

As another example, google the news about the visit by the Iranian intelligence minister to Germany a few years ago and the warm welcome extended to him by German interior minister. He was given a tour of the German security facilities and contracts were signed for "security" equipment and training and cooperation.

This is not the first time this kind of cooperation has gotton out of hand and fired back at the enabling country (Holland in this case).

It's Ballmers Plan C. (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | about 3 years ago | (#37311448)

Plan A: Build better products which compete on merit alone. Failed - look at the market share of anything outside Windows & Office - e.g 1% for their new phone OS or IE's decline.
Plan B: Use litigation to extort or smother the competition, e.g. 5$ for every Android handset from HTC [slashdot.org] . Failed - Motorolas patents will nullify them now, and Ballmer is in serious shit for letting Motorola go to Google [cnet.co.uk] .
Plan C: Get corrupt government officials to buy their products by helping them do evil. Good luck with that, now it's no longer a secret.

Oh c'mon, why the outcry? (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 years ago | (#37311480)

Because it gets known now? You don't think MS is the only company that doesn't give half a shit about who they sell to, do you? If there's not an outright embargo (that has to be circumvented somehow), anyone can buy anything if the price is right. Hell, IBM sold computers to the Nazis, knowing quite well just what they will be used for.

You think any corporation would have acted different in any way? Corporations are the pinnacle of capitalist evolution: Intelligence without conscience.

Re:Oh c'mon, why the outcry? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 3 years ago | (#37312022)

Most do it as a shell game, using cut outs and having all paper work moved around as needed.
If anyone finds a person or tech, its emptied out, sold, lost in a take over ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22/torture-in-bahrain-becomes-routine-with-help-from-nokia-siemens-networking.html [bloomberg.com]
e.g. "says he can’t comment because all documentation from the intelligence solutions unit had been transferred"
The big brand then only likes "ethical businesses"

Re:Oh c'mon, why the outcry? (1)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | about 3 years ago | (#37313440)

IBM sold computers to the Nazis...

Cite - cause I'd really like to know which ones. The first true computer ever built wasn't completed until 1943 (ENIAC). Other computers wouldn't show up until after the war.

Re:Oh c'mon, why the outcry? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 3 years ago | (#37313594)

Depends how you count:
Konrad Zuse - Z1 program-controlled computer ~ 1936. His Z3 was the world's first fully functional programmable computer ~ 1941.
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Zuse.html [vt.edu]
and by "computer" people point to the IBM's Hollerith punch card technology.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ [ibmandtheholocaust.com]

Re:Oh c'mon, why the outcry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37313972)

Yeah, that's the traditional "why bother, everybody already knew it" which come after the "yeah, may be they do that evil stuff, but there's no solid evidences".

So, this is it, you should never care that people hiding behind virtual (company) names do consciously evil things. You have no evidence, or it's too late.

Ahh .. The Arab Revolt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311514)

Seems these troubles occur again and again.

This time, 'sted the British and their Telegraph, Its Microsoft and the Internet, which they being Microsoft never did figure out I'm affraid to their detrement.

+++++

Probably ALL companies involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311524)

Let's face it. If there was a country such as Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, or maybe even Iran, is there a computer security company who would have the guts to say "no" when a pile of cash was plonked on the table? Oh, you want to spy on your own citizens that might be breaking local laws (which happen to prevent free speech and any expressions of disagreement with the government)? No problem. For a fee we'll train your personnel to configure the software however you want. This is what happened at the intelligence service in Libya [wsj.com] , it's unsurprising in Tunisia.

Are there laws in the countries where they are incorporated that would prevent them from doing this? With the exception of Iran and Syria, which are under a regime of sanctions that may or may not bar this kind of commerce ("state sponsors of terrorism"), I doubt it. This is all just business-as-usual. The real question is whether it should be.

What if it had been open source software? (1)

devleopard (317515) | about 3 years ago | (#37311538)

Wouldn't that mean open source software was being used to oppress? Or would somehow the spirit of freedom inside of the software refuse to run, knowing what it was being used for?

I know Microsoft is evil and all, but really, it sounds like they had plausible deniability: "..Tunisian government's adherence to its stated goals."

Re:What if it had been open source software? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 3 years ago | (#37312280)

Nice strawman. The problem is not the software, it's the company. Nobody is blaming Windows, we're blaming actual people who made a deal. And if instead of MS it was a company which produced open source it would be just has bad.

And there's nothing plausible about their deniability.

USA (5, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | about 3 years ago | (#37311568)

So, the USA torture practices come to light, the USA illegal wars, the USA illegal everything... and those same guys see MS doing something that might be stupid from a human perspective, but no where near the level of the USA as a country in itself... is pointing the finger???? Man, you guys here still don't get the cables. It's the fucking USA that is the enemy! YES! Even if you are a USA Citizen. I might as well say, especially if you are a US citizen. Those people, that lead your country, not the guy in the White House... are fucking war criminals at best! Do something about it! We (the rest of the world) can't! Prove for once America is about freedom. But think about real freedom for once. Not just freedom on your own continent. The world doesn't turn around you. Let alone the universe. We have one earth and we have to make it together. And right now we are fucking it up. And that fucking up is being orchestrated by a handful very powerful people. Having said that... Peace. We need to stick together. Because our children will hopefully be smarter.

actually you could. you own our debt. (1)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37311988)

China and Russia could sell all their fannie and freddie bonds, and all their tresaury bonds, and the US would collapse overnight.
move off the dollar as a world reserve currency, and it would undergo mass inflation like argentina a few years back.

Re:actually you could. you own our debt. (2)

santax (1541065) | about 3 years ago | (#37312042)

Yeps but the usa has a zillion nuclear weapons and a zillion nuclear idiots... The top guys - the snakes in suits - would probably rather kill the whole world :( Having said that, here in Europe we only have a million nuclear weapons but still a zillion nuclear idiots that would do the same. People are retarded. They really are. Me myself and i. That's all that matters. And even these cables that should have lead to a complete new system... well... we - the people - just don't give a fuck. At least, that is what I have learned from this all :( And it hurts.

cheer up (1)

decora (1710862) | about 3 years ago | (#37312054)

go through the cables at http://www.cablegatesearch.net/ [cablegatesearch.net]

type in something interesting like 'microsoft' or 'cisco'

find some interesting ones

submit a slashdot story on it ....?

profit!

Re:actually you could. you own our debt. (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 years ago | (#37313388)

It does hurt. Your level of barely coherent populist ranting hurts my brain you fucking parasite.

Re:actually you could. you own our debt. (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 3 years ago | (#37312306)

China can crash the US economy, and then their biggest exports market ($365 billion just last year) crashes too, leaving them in shit. The EU (the other big importer) is already having enough problems affording China's stuff, they have nothing to gain adding instability.

Re:USA (0)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 years ago | (#37313380)

Good god, shut the fuck up you insufferable douche. Omg the sky is falling, the sky is falling! You sound like an AGW denier pretending that "climategate" means AGW is a "lie". No, it doesn't.

You're a hyperbolic twit. The USA is evil, but... Iran - they're OK? Turky? Saudi Arabia? Italy?

Nobody with any sense puts any stock in your fucking paranoid hippie delusions. The USA certainly isn't perfect, but it's also not the dystopian hellhole your overly active imagination has apparently made it out to be.

Re:USA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37313728)

Santax, you are an idiot. You think the u.s.a. is the only one involved in profiting from war? All people are the same, it is the politicians that divide us and NOT just U.S. politicians. I have lived in Europe for many years and let me tell you. Europeans are way more fucking racist than americans ever will be. You people hate everyone that was not born in the same part of the country as you. People in Europe hate people from the same country if they are not from the same region. It is a fucking mess. Thomas Jefferson said it the best. Comparing Europe to the U.S. is like comparing Hell to Heaven (u.s. being heaven buddy). Why do you think so many people migrate to the U.S. from all over the world and never go back to the country they were born in? Is the U.S. perfect NO but tell me which country is perfect.

Only Money matters: Bing in China, renren, GOT,... (3, Insightful)

tvlinux (867035) | about 3 years ago | (#37311644)

MS is a business, It does not care about people, It would sell Windows licenses and database to the Devil if it could make a profit.

Re:Only Money matters: Bing in China, renren, GOT, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37312098)

To the devil? Somehow I don't think they need to buy their own software.

Microsoft compatibility prohibited? (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | about 3 years ago | (#37311660)

Additionally, future GOT tenders for IT equipment will specify that the equipment must be Microsoft compatible, which is currently prohibited by the Tunisian open software policy.

This seems to be a point of contention. Can anyone explain why/how Microsoft compatibility is prohibited? Just because it can run MS software doesn't mean it will, the same hardware could very well run exclusively "open" software. The open software itself could also be compatible with MS hardware and software, providing drivers that work with hardware under the Microsoft label (mice, keyboards, webcams, etc), and be capable of reading and exporting to MS file formats (.doc, .xls, etc).

Re:Microsoft compatibility prohibited? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311960)

Can anyone explain why/how Microsoft compatibility is prohibited?

It isn't. What is prohibited is specifying that equipment must be Microsoft compatible.
The equipment may be compatible but it must not be a requirement for the purchase.
The reference in that sentence is a bit awkward.

Re:Microsoft compatibility prohibited? (4, Insightful)

currently_awake (1248758) | about 3 years ago | (#37312712)

It means that government contracts won't be awarded to cheaper hardware based on arm processors because that's not windows compatible. The change in policy means all government contracts must use windows compatible hardware instead of cheaper stuff that only runs open source. And as long as the hardware supports it microsoft has the option to bribe/leverage their software onto the hardware.

News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311682)

Pretty funny, these cables read more like informative news stories than most actual news stories.

This is so silly (1)

patscii (2425314) | about 3 years ago | (#37311710)

So you mean if I sell someone an axe, knowing that they will kill someone with it, I am somehow responsible?

Re:This is so silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311774)

by anti-ms logic, yes.

Re:This is so silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37312070)

Not only by anti-ms logic but also by the law in most countries.

If you sell an object that you know will be used for a crime you are an accessory [wikipedia.org] to the crime and depending on your location you can be punished to the same extent as the one commiting the actual crime.
If you sell someone an axe, knowing that they will kill someone with it, you are commiting a criminal act.

When it comes to axes it is pretty easy to dodge since you can just claim that you thought that the person was going to chop wood.
In this case MS can not use the "I didn't" know defence, more likely it will not be an issue since the Tunisian population can't put them to trial in the US and it is very unlikely that any US citizen will be willing to go to court agains MS for this.

Re:This is so silly (1)

formfeed (703859) | about 3 years ago | (#37311986)

So you mean if I sell someone an axe, knowing that they will kill someone with it, I am somehow responsible?

Legally?
It would be hard to prove, that you knew that they will kill someone with it. But if that could be established, in most countries you would be held responsible.

Morally?
Yes, asshole

Re:This is so silly (1)

jbengt (874751) | about 3 years ago | (#37312006)

Yes, if you know that they will kill someone with it, you are guilty at least of aiding and abetting, assuming the killing is a crime in the first place.

Re:This is so silly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37312236)

Generally, no. But if the purchaser is the equivalent of a well-known axe-murderer who asks you "Can you train me to more efficiently decapitate people with this tool?", yes.

Lawful evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37311766)

Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right.

so what (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37311790)

that is the way the world works, you sell a product or service or die

Which is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37312010)

OK, so Microsoft sells a couple of more copies of Windows and Office by throwing in some free training. That is the equivalent of a car dealer throwing in car mats. Yet, somehow this is some sort of evil conspiracy from an evil company that somehow knows nothing about security, yet will train the Tunisian regime on security? Meh.

Re:Which is it? (3, Insightful)

I(rispee_I(reme (310391) | about 3 years ago | (#37312058)

I think the training was more along these lines [ycombinator.com] than "Ctrl-X cuts, ctrl-V pastes..."

MS To Reboot Charlton Heston? (2)

retroworks (652802) | about 3 years ago | (#37312234)

"Software doesn't spy on people. People use software to spy on people."

The US Gov. does this too (1)

E.I.A (2303368) | about 3 years ago | (#37312250)

See EFF's https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/07/politics-surveillance-erosion-privacy-latin-america [eff.org] - The Politics of Surveillance: The Erosion of Privacy in Latin America. Reminds me of Microsoft Coffee (http://cryptome.org/0001/ms-cofee.htm), and makes me wonder what effects the Pentagon's sockpuppet programs are having as well: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks [guardian.co.uk] *New Microsoft eugenics program leaked: Controversial "Just Click [HERE] to Send Drones" has many concerned* - maybe

Microsoft "Training" ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37312864)

`According to a cable sent by the US embassy in Tunis on 22 September, 2006, Microsoft was so keen to get the Tunisian government to drop its policy favouring open-source software that it agreed to set up a "program on cyber criminality" to cover training. The deal also entailed the company giving the Tunisian regime, headed by President Zine El-Abidine Ben Ali, the original source code for Microsoft software.' link [zdnet.co.uk]

"Tunisia has its own certificateauthority and since 2007 the root certificate has been included in Microsoft Internet Explorer.This certificate is not included in common other browsers like Safari or Firefox. If you visit from one of those browsers you will see a certificate error" link [scribd.com]

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