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Adobe Brings Flash-Free Flash To iOS Devices

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the extreme-front-loading dept.

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CWmike writes "At long last Adobe Flash has come to an iPad or iPhone, writes Jonny Evans. Adobe appeared at Europe's NAB equivalent, IBC, this week to introduce Adobe Flash Media Server 4.5 and Adobe Flash Access 3.0. Adobe's solution repackages content in real-time, changing the protocol to suit the target device, HTTP Dynamic Streaming or HLS, for example. This should mean that iOS devices will get much of the advantages of Flash video support, without the processor degradation and battery life cost of the format in use on other devices. 'With Adobe Flash Media Server 4.5, media publishers now have a single, simple workflow for delivering content using the same stream to Flash-enabled devices or to the Apple iPhone and iPad,' Adobe says."

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along with (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359766)

all the vulnerabilities. Not that I am a phanboi, but I think Apple has it right, flash shouldn't be an integral part of being on the damn internet. It is one of the worse technologies in years, right behind banner advertising!

Re:along with (1)

medcalf (68293) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359814)

No, because the Flash content is on the server and it's streamed to the device. The vulnerabilities are thus not introduced to the device.

Re:along with (4, Informative)

North Korea (2457866) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359820)

If it's streaming using HTTP, then there has to be vulnerability in the browser. It has nothing to do with the client side Flash, this is for Flash media servers. Furthermore, this doesn't bring the full Flash in to iDevices, only media streaming. Flash is a lot more than that. People seem to forget that every time. It's also one of the reasons why HTML5 video will never replace Flash completely.

And say what you want about Flash, but web would had been much more boring place the last 10 years if it wasn't for Flash. It also brought casual people to internet.

Re:along with (0)

networkzombie (921324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359840)

I don't use flash or have it installed on my computer you insensitive clod! Really, I don't.

Re:along with (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360192)

If there wasn't Flash, there's be something else. We wouldn't be sitting around in the living room staring at the radio.

Re:along with (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360324)

Yes, but that something else would likely draw the same criticisms that Flash does.

Re:along with (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360848)

I'm starting to shake, just thinking about all the shitty video streaming solutions I've seen in my life. As much as I hate sites built in Flash, the world is a better place since its adoption for video delivery.

DOWNLOAD WIZBANGWHUTZIT.COM'S VIDEO VIEWER BROWSER PLUGIN SUITE NOW!

Enjoy the new BHO's while waiting for your crappy 12 second video, that's going to look like a muddy stained glass window.

...Buffering...

Re:along with (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360760)

And something else would have all the problems with exploits. Flash was targeted for the same reason Internet Explorer *used* to be targeted--because its the largest common denominator. It's the single piece of software that more people than any other on the internet have installed on their machine. If you target a specific browser, you can only get a fraction of the people, but if you find a flash exploit you can get them all. So if you're going to spend your time finding exploits for one or the other, it makes sense to target Flash.

That doesn't necessarily excuse them for all the problems they've had, but its highly likely that anybody else would have had just as many problems discovered if they were was ubiquitous. Internet explorer didn't suddenly get way more secure, it just stopped being targeted as often (to be fair, Microsoft has made huge strides with security as well, so it was some of both).

Re:along with (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361116)

The number of exploits has very little to do with how ubiquitous the software is (although that does change how hard people look for exploits), but far more to do with whether security was designed in or just some after-thought.

Modern internet explorer is far more secure than the old IE6 debacle and the reason that flash and acrobat reader have so many exploits is due to Adobe not caring overly much about security.

Re:along with (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360374)

I'll remind myself of that when I'm having to install the next biweekly update for that buggy security risk on the dozens of computer I administrate.

Re:along with (3, Insightful)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360380)

This sounds like the best complaint against flash ever. Flash 1. caused pages to contain far more worthless noise makers, longer loading times, and stop focusing so much on including content etc... 2. Brought the kind of people who like big flashing noises and lights screaming on every page, 3. cleared the way for intrusive obnoxious advertising, 4. opened up a whole new mess of security vulnerabilities. The internet wouldn't have been more boring without flash, they just would have been more focused on actually providing content in pages instead of blinking jumping crap and animated buttons. As far as those that were drawn to the internet by flashing blinking screaming things, do you really want to talk to those people, I'm known for unfriending at the first stupid chain foward etc...

Re:along with (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37361366)

And all that is exactly what HTML5 does. Only you now don't even have a convenient way to block it anymore.

Re:along with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360640)

And say what you want about Flash, but web would had been much more boring place the last 10 years if it wasn't for Flash. It also brought casual people to internet.

Flash video maybe, that's about it. The rest of it was just worthless shit and skipintros that nobody thought was cool for more than 3 seconds aside from the person who came up with the dumb idea.

screw apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359772)

I'm not sure if this is a screwp apple move, or giving in. Will it let me play flash games on the wife's stupid iPhone, or do I still have to pony up $2 each time I'm bored?

Re:screw apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359802)

I'm not sure if this is a screwp apple move, or giving in. Will it let me play flash games on the wife's stupid iPhone, or do I still have to pony up $2 each time I'm bored?

bored? did you try screwing your wife? you know, put the wood to her. slip her the wang. bang her. fuck her brains out. toss her salad. eat her cunt. her warm slippery cunt. mmmmm slippery cunt...

Re:screw apple (0)

phobafiliac (704426) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359848)

perhaps that's what the $2 are for?

Re:screw apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360138)

I'm sure your mother has been tiring him out too much for that, AC.

Re:screw apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360160)

No can do. She's in the bedroom getting fucked by half a dozen black guys she met off craigs list. That's why I'm here, posting to slashdot and playing with her phone.

Re:screw apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360480)

Tyrone and the fellas are rollin' up as we speak. We love some new white ass. Tyrone just got out of da joint and wants to ass fuck a white women for a change den havin white boys dressed da part. Tell yo wife that 20 niggas are rollin' deep and do bring her tears.

Signed,
Da Prison Niggers

Re:screw apple (1)

medcalf (68293) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359826)

No games and no interactive ads because this is a streaming server.

Why would that work anyway? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359968)

Will it let me play flash games on the wife's stupid iPhone

I'm not sure why you'd expect it would given they wouldn't work on any Android device that supported Flash either.

No keyboard and mouse after all, which just about every Flash game expects...

When you are bored you might try downloading one of the 100k+ free games for the iPhone (some of which are even ports of the Flash games you were looking for to begin with!!)

Re:Why would that work anyway? (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360126)

Out of curiosity, I just tried a few flash games on an Android phone. Maybe I was just lucky, but the first 3 I tried worked fine. Crappy games, but they did work.

Re:Why would that work anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360250)

"wouldn't work on any Android device that supported Flash either."

The flash games I have tried have all worked just fine on Android. Not sure why you think they wouldn't, but they do.

Re:screw apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360166)

Or... you could deal with being bored? You don't need 24/7 entertainment, you know.

Re:screw apple (1)

reub2000 (705806) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360218)

With the amount wireless caries are charging for bandwidth, whatever you do when bored with a phone is going to cost $2.

Re:screw apple (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360764)

I got the impression this was targeted to video, not games.

Flash games on iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360878)

Will it let me play flash games on the wife's stupid iPhone?

On the iPhone you're screwed, but if you really want to play Flash games on an iPad you can use iSwifter [iswifter.net] .

Re:screw apple (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360920)

I wonder what arbitrary rule Apple will think of to stop this potential competitor to it's own paid services.

Flash free Flash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359774)

It's called "video".

great! now we can crash apple devices! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359776)

the new adobe flash application now enables the same sort of buggy crashy performance you expect from a windows mobile device on the mac ! true innovation ! only from adobe !

Dumb title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359786)

Streaming to iOS devices makes total sense for FMS. Link bait.

Flash is all about video (-1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359804)

This just further cements the notion that Flash use on the web these days is mostly about video.

The truth is though, that most sites already feed the iPad or iPhone h.264 video. And frankly after running various flash blockers and such for a while, I would greatly prefer if websites fed clients that supported HTML5 non-flash video also - I have a plugin that plays YouTube videos only as h.264, and the experience is much nicer than the Flash player.

call me crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359810)

But the format will be the same, the protocol changes is all. It will be equally intensive for an apple device to decode the h.264 data or whatever its encoded as. Sorry apple but you can't skip decoding with costing cpu and battery life with a magic leprechaun 'format'

Re:call me crazy (1)

flosofl (626809) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360570)

The iPhone uses hardware decoding for h.264. So no, it will not be as CPU or power intensive.

Re:call me crazy (1)

517714 (762276) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361170)

My question is, how do get Flash to send the iPhone stream to my laptop to keep Flash from using inordinate CPU cycles and killing my battery?

Flash plays video, but Flash != video (4, Interesting)

petsounds (593538) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359850)

This is a silly, biased article and summary. This does NOT bring Flash to iOS devices. This is merely Adobe spinning out a new version of their video serving software with a new protocol option than plays nice with iOS devices.

The things Flash is really good at -- multimedia experiences that can be delivered to a wide audience via a ubiquitous plugin -- are not emulated here. But way to go timothy for trolling! You wear your bias on your editorial sleeve.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (4, Informative)

bradgoodman (964302) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359944)

Correct.

It merely takes the Flash video that an Adobe Flash Media Server would send out via Flash's proprietary RTMP (or HDS) protocols, and does some real-time repackaging of the video, so it can be streamed out via an Apache server which is co-installed on the box. The Apache server streams the content out via HTTP as individual MPEG-TS fragments, compatible with Apple's HTTP Live Streaming.

Since both HDS (Adobe's HTTP Dynamic Streaming) and HLS (Apple's HTTP Live Streaming) use H.264 video - there is no transcoding involved, only a simple dynamic repackaging to convert between formats.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359958)

So... it does what Slyfire [skyfire.com] has been doing for... what? 2 years now?

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

bradgoodman (964302) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360130)

No. Definitely not. That is a user-oriented "service" where you can email the URL to a flash video, and it transcodes it for you.

The Adobe solution is meant for deployment by services who wish to provide (a single) video for Flash and iOS platforms. More of akin to what YouTube does, maybe.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360426)

Except I don't think YouTube has ever done anything except HTTP streaming so they don't actually need anything like Flash Media Server. Something like FMS its alternatives (Wowza, Red5, etc) are only really needed if you plan on doing RTMP streaming.

HTTP streaming means they just need to detect what the client can do and present the Flash or HTML5 player based on that. Some of the common players like JWplayer and FlowPlayer will do the detection with a little javascript and present the player you can use.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359974)

Don't read this... it is a curse...

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While Timothy was celebrating the fact that he escaped, the car began slowing down; his friend then said, "Now, now, now's the time right now!"

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The car continued to slow down, and the cabbage patch kid was catching up to them. Timothy then got out of the car (since he could run faster than it was moving) and began running. However, what seemed to be an invisible entity lifted him into the air and thrusted him ass-first around the world at a speed greater than the speed of light! Eventually, Timothy's bootyass naked ass crashed directly into the very cabbage patch kid he was trying to escape from! The cabbage patch kid was then sucked into Timothy's ass as if his ass was a spaghetti noodle (just like grandma)! At that point, his ass became a bouncehouse for the cabbage patch kid, and major tickle was inflicted upon it!

Now that you have read this, the very same cabbage patch kid will get sucked right up your ass as if your ass is a spaghetti noodle, and major tickle will be inflicted upon it!

You can prevent this by doing the following: post this comment in three different threads.

So the set is Zero (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359954)

The things Flash is really good at -- multimedia experiences that can be delivered to a wide audience via a ubiquitous plugin

The thing is, Flash SUCKS at that. Can you name a single site that really does that well? The only thing I can think of off hand is the MINIUSA configurator. But even there the site is rife with all the things that make Flash a terror - I can't copy text from just anywhere, sometimes the loading goes wrong, and the site bogs down my DESKTOP never mind what would happen to a mobile device.

Pretty much every other site I've seen that relies heavily on Flash for a "rich multimedia experience" is just awful, non-intuitive and performs very badly. So many sites trying that kind of thing would be so much better serving users simplifying the site into something that would work with DHTML, never mind HTML5 and canvas stuff...

Re:So the set is Zero (4, Insightful)

sunspot42 (455706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360060)

Thanks, I was about to say something similar but you beat me to it.

Every single "multimedia experience" I've encountered on the Internet since day-one has been a sucktacular piece of shit. Flash is one of the leading reasons for that, but the whole concept of using a web browser to deliver "multimedia experiences" is idiotic, and every implementation I've seen has been a sad, buggy, bandwidth and CPU hogging joke.

Browsers. Aren't. Built. For. That.

No "plugin" will fix it.

Use a dedicated app, fools.
 

Re:So the set is Zero (1)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360344)

I don't want a dedicated app for every website. It would be a pain in the ass to setup, cause a lot of wheel-reinventing, and be a security nightmare. Flash is a jack of all trades. Able to do most anything you want, but never really good at it.

What are you doing here?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360406)

I don't want a dedicated app for every website.

I see you've never used an iOS device.

Re:So the set is Zero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360826)

HTML 5's video support does aid, in theory. In practice you'll probably find issues with codecs - due to issues of the patent mess, the only codecs supported out-of-the-box by Windows will be unsupported by everyone else. Microsoft loves their WMV-varient codecs, Apple/Sony love h264 for they hold most of the patents, and everyone else just gets really annoyed because the whole area is such a patent minefield that it's impossible to impliment any form of modern video compression without paying royalties.

Re:So the set is Zero (5, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361342)

Use a dedicated app, fools.

Would you want to have to download and install an app for Homestar Runner, an app for Weebl and Bob, a separate app for every single video or game uploaded to Newgrounds, etc.? And would you want to have to buy a copy of Windows to run those apps?

It's The Steve Jobs Slashdot Sockpuppet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360066)

bonch
SuperKendall

How many other Apple sockpuppet/troll accounts do you have loser?

Re:So the set is Zero (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360090)

Out of curiosity, I just tried a few flash games on an Android phone. Maybe I was just lucky, but the first 3 I tried worked fine.

Re:So the set is Zero (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360120)

Sorry, responded to the wrong comment ....

Define "work" (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360514)

Sure they will run, but if they require keyboard presses how do you control them?

What if they require a cursor hover...

Re:Define "work" (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360552)

Most don't require a cursor hover, and for keyboard presses, I just press the keys on my phone's keyboard. Although a HUGE number of flash games don't require keyboard or hover.

onmouseover and :hover (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361364)

Just as Flash can require a hover, HTML can also require a hover. Otherwise, why would the HTML DOM have the mouseover event and CSS have the :hover pseudoclass? It's a question not of the technology but of what navigation style the developer chose.

Re:So the set is Zero (3, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360180)

Troll mods, eh. There are Adobe fanbois?

God have mercy on their heathen souls.

Re:So the set is Zero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360568)

Nah, SuperKendell is a well known pro-Apple troll. So anything he says on any matter related to Apple is automatically a troll.

Re:So the set is Zero (4, Interesting)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360448)

Lately, I've been absolutely amazed at the amount of detail Flash games have gotten... my girlfriend plays Facebook games every now and then, and things like The Sims actually look better than their standalone counterparts - full screen native res and everything.

The games peg the CPU, of course, but hey, it's smooth ;)

Video playback, when it works, is also alright. Youtube's implementation works well... others... meh, often not so much. It even works well on my smartphone, so watching TV/Movies off of streaming sites at the gym is a favorite...

Now "Flash multimedia experiences" (i.e. Flash web sites) on the other hand, are atrocious - that's something that just absolutely needs to go away - but those seem to be limited to private sites and maybe just a few businesses these days (like restaurants... what is it with restaurants and Flash?). If these go away completely and the rest stays the way it is (OK, maybe a bit better hardware acceleration for the games, so the CPU doesn't need to work as much), I'll be more or less satisfied with my experience - on a year-old smartphone and a 3-year-old subnotebook, no less!

Re:So the set is Zero (2)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360604)

Thats mostly a problem of the so called web designers who think they can do everything with flash. HTML5 wont change that you will get the same shit experience but without extra plugin.
Flash shines in other areas, video, or real data centric uis in Flex.

Re:So the set is Zero (1)

BrianRoach (614397) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360756)

If I had mod points, I'd mod you up.

You know what I do when I happen upon one of those super-awesome flash sites? I navigate away as fast as possible. Because as you say - they *suck* (And that's being kind).

Luckily, I can usually hit the back button before they finish loading the "intro" and not have to suffer through whatever it is that's about to display on my screen.

Re:So the set is Zero (3, Insightful)

BlueScreenO'Life (1813666) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360856)

The problem is not with Flash, but with how it is used and the purposes for which it is used, specifically:

- The braindead decisions and taste of the people who designed those pieces of crap - for example, the text on Flash CAN actually be selected and copied if the developer makes it so - but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. In fact, I suspect many people use Flash mainly to prevent you from copying text and other resources.
- The stupid thought that something designed to be used with a mouse, a keyboard and a large screen can scale well for use on touchscreen devices.

Ultimately Flash is a close relative to Macromedia Director, and as such, it is about multimedia, scripted presentations with actually useful functionality, not just about trying to do cool stuff for the sake of being cool. I wonder how Director is doing these days.

Re:So the set is Zero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37361186)

maybe if you had a decent machine and not the computer equivalent of a designer handbag (mac) then you would be able to view flash content without problems?

Strong Bad HTML email (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361368)

So many sites trying that kind of thing would be so much better serving users simplifying the site into something that would work with DHTML, never mind HTML5 and canvas stuff...

Let me know when Strong Bad Emails play in an HTML environment with usable performance.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360316)

The author adds a note at the end directly contradicting the title of his own article. It must be hard being a "journalist" these days...

NOTE: ... This does not mean Flash is directly supported on your device, just that the media server will be able to export Flash assets as an HTML5-supporting format, for example, so you should eventually be able to access such content, but only as publishers deploy the new Adobe software.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

notKevinJohn (2218940) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360320)

From a developers standpoint, I could not agree more with this statement, video is a very small part of what Flash can do. Really its a platform for distributing interactive content, not just video. On the other hand, as a consumer, I think its important to realize that if you look at all the Flash on the internet, I am sure a very high percentage of it is video.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360356)

The things Flash is really good at -- multimedia experiences

That's a long-winded way to say "porn".

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360468)

Not the fact it's wrong, but days late... http://www.cmswire.com/cms/mobile/adobes-new-flash-server-plays-nice-with-ipad-iphone-012634.php

Keep up man!

The things Flash is really good at. (2)

mevets (322601) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360490)

Great intro topic; lets see if we can order them:
1. Leaving your machine open to all sorts of opportunistic malware.
2. Attempting to see how much heat your machine can actually generate [ bonus points for 'while actually doing nothing ' ]
3. Bringing a really crappy experience to a larger audience.

I was working for Sun (now Snoracle) when they way dissed the macromedia/flash experience. As an employee, I thought they were being little shits since it got in the way of experiencing the really slow alternative Java offered.

Over time, I agree with Jobs' 'flash is shit' stance. In my office, there are 5 macs, and the only time there is a problem with a machine, it tracks to some stupid flash app. Well, not really, once it was a dead hard drive, but the rotten million don't get to spoil it for the good few.

Adobe knows it is crap, but that isn't going to stop them.

Re:The things Flash is really good at. (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360778)

Well, Adobe blames flash problems with Macs on Apple's API lacking any sort of low level access to the graphics card. Flash doesn't seem to be a source of instabilities on non-Mac PC's, nor does it seem to cause performance issues.

On the other hand, I would have to uninstall Flash if I didn't have NoScript to keep it off when I didn't specifically turn it on.

Re:The things Flash is really good at. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37361204)

you have an office full of macs? hows business? lol!

seriously tho, maybe if you got a computer that isn't the equivalent of a designer handbag then you would be able to run flash without problems?

i love the idea that because apple fags can't do something with their lame computers then no one else should be able to!

how's it going with html5 btw =)

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

Hymer (856453) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360582)

No! Flash stinks, it's a CPU hog.
The biggest problem with iOS not having flash is addressed by Adobes solution.
Flash games ? Fuck games, if the game developer want his game out on iOS device he have to do it the right way: make an app.

Vector animations (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361376)

Fuck games, if the game developer want his game out on iOS device he have to do it the right way: make an app.

In other words, Apple just wants the $649 to put a Mac mini on each developer's KVM switch plus $99 per year from each developer, and it also wants to waste developers' time to rewrite the game from scratch in Objective-C.

Video using a compressed pixels codec can be taken care of with HTML5. How can vector animations (e.g. Homestar Runner) be taken care of? Converting an SWF animation to H.264 bloats it by a factor of ten or more in my tests, which makes a 2 GB/mo plan feel like it's 200 MB/mo.

Re:Flash plays video, but Flash != video (1)

oji-sama (1151023) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361320)

And what the hell is processor degradation? "without the processor degradation and battery life cost of the format in use on other devices"

WTF: only IE? (-1)

dev543 (2458072) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359868)

Thats right, this thing doesn't work in ether Firefox nor Chrome.
I rather use HTML5 flash player [aeonity.com] instead.
(Works with youtube btw...)

time to start spoofing my user agent string (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37359896)

flash free video shouldn't be withheld from the rest of us. I guess what I am trying to say is flash shouldn't be forced on the rest of us just to watch a video.

WTF: only IE? (-1, Troll)

dev544 (2458080) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359918)

Thats right, this thing doesn't work in ether Firefox nor Chrome.
I rather use HTML5 flash player [aeonity.com] instead.
(Works with youtube btw...)

Re:WTF: only IE? (1)

Liinux (1051016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361076)

Link leads to Goatse

If this is actually better... (1)

tycoex (1832784) | more than 3 years ago | (#37359938)

If this is really better for video on mobile devices then will it work on Android also? And why not use it on laptops too, they can always benefit from better battery life.

Re:If this is actually better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360154)

may be the rest of the market (e.g. desktops) also use this so that we can all get rid of Flash once and for all.

Re:If this is actually better... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360236)

go to sleep, steve. also, lrn2maybe

Re:If this is actually better... (1)

Salvo (8037) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360266)

Not as far as we can tell.

Native h.264 streaming will only be available on devices that don't support Flash Plugins (iOS Devices.)

Adobe have a lot of money tied up in pushing Flash users to Advertisers, so they will encourage the installation of Flash on any device that is potentially capable of installing it.

Smartphones that run Android, but don't support Flash (such as pre 2.2 Froyo devices), such as most of the Android devices in circulation are likely to still be excluded from watching Streaming "Flash" Video.
Likewise, people with clean installs of Mac OS X Lion and Windows 7 will not be able to play Flash Video until they install Adobe Flash Plugin, or use Chrome with the embedded Flash Plugin. While all major (and most minor) Windows OEMs bundle Adobe Flash Player, it isn't included with Windows like it used to be in the days of Macromedia.

Looks like iOS's lack of Adobe Flash support is now definitely a positive feature, and not a negative bug.

Timothy should be banned from posting articles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360186)

'nuff said.

Flash-free Flash for iOS, but this ain't it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360224)

This: http://www.amazon.com/Developing-iOS-Applications-Flex-4-5/dp/1449308368/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315630374&sr=1-1

Real meaning and goal: (4, Insightful)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360256)

Adobes only goal here is to stop the slow but steady adoption of html5 video formats. By offering this upgrade they tell their clients they no longer have to work in a transition to target the huge and growing iOS user base.

This is good for Apple as most video services are just a server patch away from providing video content to iOs users, drastically diminishing the "it cant play flash video" bashing competitors like to use.

Flash gaming may not be available still, but most iOS users are far from game starved. It's video content most iOS users actually complain about.

So, good for Apple and good for Adobe. Who is it bad for? Web standards, and perhaps Android users. Adobe still wants flash to be required anywhere that it can run so it's likely they won't offer the same HTML5 video streams to Android devices. Many of the handsets out there still can't handle flash properly and the ones that do do so with heavy battery penalties.

With this available, it's very unlikely content providers will bother pursuing web standards for the sake of low end Android handsets or users that refuse to install flash in their computers.

It's likely that sooner or later Adobe will provide the capabilities for all clients, but I doubt they have any intentions to do it soon. I do hope im wrong though.

PS: unsure if it's related but have been streaming blip.tv episodes of the Nostalgia Critic on my iPad all night so I guess at least they (blip.tv) already updated.

Re:Real meaning and goal: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360412)

Or it is possible they have been using one of the competing media server options like Wowza (http://www.wowza.com/) that has offered the same thing for quite some time.

Vector animations (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361380)

Apart from Flash video and Flash games, there is a third category of vector animations, which I covered in this comment [slashdot.org] .

This is a bad solution (4, Informative)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360460)

Seriously, the HTML5 video tag works - just start using it. The problem here is of course dynamic streaming (and a few other things) but the thing is Flash can stream mp4 files just fine - internally it's the same stuff with just the flv container being different. Transcode your video into mp4, if Flash loads play it in Flash (or even better give the user an option), otherwise use an HTML5 fallback. If both of those cases fail direct your users to download a browser that doesn't suck or something.

Oh, and the whole process I just outlined is something you can do easily with a variety of libraries and modules, just search for it. Oh, and cut out the whole trying to stop people from downloading video by wrapping it in 8 different concentric SWF interface wrappers - if you don't want someone downloading your video then don't put it on your website in the first place.

Re:This is a bad solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360554)

> Seriously, the HTML5 video tag works - just start using it.

No it doesn't "just work", because it's just a tag. It doesn't have any magical properties that cause videos to play, it's just a damn HTML tag like IMG or P.

The user's browser still needs appropriate codec plugins and a way of displaying video. The tag offers nothing in that respect.

Re:This is a bad solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37361254)

good point you have there,

problem is, if the idiots that crap on about html5 could get their heads around that then they wouldn't be idiots in the first place.

it's an oxymoron see

Re:This is a bad solution (2)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360670)

The best player for video on the internet is still embedded Windows Media Player. It's just a shell around DirectShow, but DirectShow stuff is very well optimized, especially when using good third-party codecs. Nothing else comes close. Flash video is slow as hell, and Firefox's playback of HTML 5 video is even slower, especially when it is not played at 100% size.

So we have a 10-year old browser plugin outperforming all the newest software, and that's insane. Only goes to prove that software quality goes down with time.

Re:This is a bad solution (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361012)

My Firefox loads gstreamer, so I have no speed issues. Try changing what player is loaded for HTML5 video or grab a player that's embeddable.

Excuse me - what's that again? (2, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360470)

This should mean that iOS devices will get much of the advantages of Flash video support, ...

And what are those advantages, actually? As far as I can tell, the "advantage" is mainly to content producers who haven't updated their skill sets since around 2002. And these tools cost a pretty penny.

Seriously, why bother? This probably isn't going to work for those Flash ads that seem to be 90% of the Flash usage on the web (no loss there!); and for video you can simply encode in h.264 and tell the Flash plugin to pretend it's Flash video for those browsers that can't handle h.264 (Firefox, IE 8, Chrome if Google ever actually follows through). With the proliferation of Android and iOS devices that do h.264 quite nicely, I'd think it's smarter to go that route - which is basically the opposite of the one Adobe is trying to sell here.

Re:Excuse me - what's that again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360774)

And what are those advantages, actually?

Check out http://www.armorgames.com/ [armorgames.com] to cure your cognitive dissonance.

Re:Excuse me - what's that again? (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360786)

No, it's actually exactly what Adobe is trying to sell here. Read again. This is about server software serving up non-flash video to devices which do support flash, and flash to everyone else.

Re:Excuse me - what's that again? (-1, Redundant)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360796)

Erm, I meant that the other way around. Serving Flash to devices that support it, and non-flash video to those who don't. In other words, Adobe's own server software doing exactly what you suggest it should do.

[quote]And what are those advantages, actually? As far as I can tell, the "advantage" is mainly to content producers who haven't updated their skill sets since around 2002. And these tools cost a pretty penny.[/quote]

The advantage is that HTML5 video tags do not support anything with DRM, and sadly there are many content producers who will not allow their content to be available without DRM. As a result, there is always going to be video content exclusive to Flash that iOS devices miss out on. I don't actually know how Adobe expects to get around there here (since they are effectively serving up HTML5 video in h.264), but I suspect sites that are concerned about DRM simply won't use this feature.

One more time with the quote tag fixed! (4, Informative)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360804)

Erm, I meant that the other way around. Serving Flash to devices that support it, and non-flash video to those who don't. In other words, Adobe's own server software doing exactly what you suggest it should do.

And what are those advantages, actually? As far as I can tell, the "advantage" is mainly to content producers who haven't updated their skill sets since around 2002. And these tools cost a pretty penny.

The advantage is that HTML5 video tags do not support anything with DRM, and sadly there are many content producers who will not allow their content to be available without DRM. As a result, there is always going to be video content exclusive to Flash that iOS devices miss out on. I don't actually know how Adobe expects to get around there here (since they are effectively serving up HTML5 video in h.264), but I suspect sites that are concerned about DRM simply won't use this feature.

P.S. I need to go to sleep.

Quote of the week (0)

mevets (322601) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360714)

Q: But how does that app render so fast?
A: It doesn't use Flash

I shit you not.

fuck 'em (-1, Troll)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#37360758)

fuck flash and fuck ios.

Re:fuck 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37360922)

Just like yo mama?

Re:fuck 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37361168)

Fuck you too. Regards, comics hero & Greek island.

I am not always a fan of Apple. (2, Insightful)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 3 years ago | (#37361000)

But I like that they are a disruptive force in the industry. They force change in others - sometimes for the good. I think its healthy when entrenched companies are forced to change their ways. Firefox/Chrome with IE, etc. I predict that if/when Windows goes 50% market share that we'll start seeing some interesting changes in microsoft.

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