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Marking 10 Years Since 9/11/2001

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the keep-calm-and-carry-on dept.

United States 804

10 years ago today, coordinated terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. killed nearly 3,000 people. It wasn't the first terrorist attack directed against the U.S., or even on U.S. soil, but it was the deadliest, and came at a time of relative peace. Probably most people reading this remember where and how they heard the news. We've often discussed the consequences of the attack: security cordons, ID checks and metal detectors where none existed before, a reexamination of how U.S. policy affects international perception and attitudes, and the encroachment of surveillance policies and technology, to name a few. Today, we don’t want to inundate you with links to tributes and retrospectives, so we’ll offer the only thing we can: a look back at how the day unfolded here. Our thoughts are with everyone who lost friends and family members.

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But (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367552)

It's not even November yet.

Re:But (5, Insightful)

North Korea (2457866) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367574)

The US way to write dates is stupid, indeed. Not that European is that much better either. Everyone should just use time format YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS, for example 2011-09-11 15:30. It makes the most sense, and drops the stupid am/pm stuff too.

Re:But (4, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367610)

what you propose is big-endian which is good because lexicographical sort works in the expected way. Little-endian (European style) is OK too. Middle endian is just silly.

Re:But (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367642)

It baffles my mind why we aren't all using that format, it makes perfect sense (and it's the *only* way for file name sorting).

Mot parent up. (-1, Redundant)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367834)

A truly useful international standard (wake up, US!) would be YYYY-MM-DD.

Also, a lot of people like to try to be cool and emulate "internet" practices by showing phone numbers as "999/999/9999", or even worse, "999.999.9999" when in fact that just causes confusion. Especially when you try to make an overseas call:

+3 040/854.321/6578 ?

What? Huh? What does each of those groups of numbers mean, and why are they listed in a non-standardized manner?

Re:But (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367644)

Did you know that putting the day before the month is socialist? And putting the year first, followed by the month, followed by the day, is nothing but communism.

fuck the usa (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367554)

9/11 every day in Iraq

MOD THE FUCK DOWN NOW!! THIS IS FLAMEBAIT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367636)

who is the cocksucking faggot who modded this shit up? That person needs to be strung up by his balls.

Re:fuck the usa (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367830)

Agreed.
100,000 civilians died already in that war and you NEVER hear the USA mentioning them. Even though they started that war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

It's always "Thanks to our troops for your service" but the civilians of Iraq are not even acknowledged. I'm not even saying the US should apologize but they never even mention those civilian victims, as if they didn't exist!
Today the USA want the whole world to pity them. Well no, 9/11 was a tragedy but I won't have any sympathy for people who constantly ignore the innocent victims of their war. It's sick.

The responses OP received (and no doubt I will receive) just show how the US are callous, have no respect for foreigners whose lives they destroy, and never, ever admit any wrongdoing whatsoever. You don't want us to spoil your day by talking about people dying in Iraq, do you? Today should be all about America day, right? And those Iraqi civilians they can be mentioned any other day of the year, just like they have been so far, can't they? Oh wait, they have never been mentioned by the USA... Guess today is their day then!

For the rest of the world, 9/11 should be Fuck America Day and it should be so until the USA own up to their responsibilities towards the victims of the Iraq War.

Remember being thankful.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367556)

We had a Texan in the White House.

Re:Remember being thankful.... (1)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367840)

Yeah, because to paraphrase Bill Maher:
"I'm sure Al Gore wouldn't be able to point at a map toward Afghanistan and say 'bomb that!'"

and the saddest thing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367566)

Isn't that 3000 ppl died, that happens also in car accidents every few months.

It's that USA went from being a respected member of the world community to a nation hated even among its allies. A nation that things it owns the whole world, can torture other country's ppls, can force them to act in ways it wants, and that is in everyone else's face.

It was the day that marked the beginning of the end for the USA.

Re:and the saddest thing (5, Insightful)

North Korea (2457866) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367586)

So well played. I don't think the purpose was ever to cause destruction - it was to provoke US to make themselves look like asses. Just like you do when you want to get back to big stupid bullies who just use power.

Re:and the saddest thing (5, Interesting)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367966)

It wasn't even a secret. British journalist Robert Fisk interviewed Osama bin Laden several years before the Twin Towers attacks. He stated that his aim was to draw the U.S. into a protracted war in Afghanistan, one which would last a long time, ultimately leading to defeat of the U.S. - just like the way they beat the Soviets. He understood that, as with the Soviet campaign, they could not hope to win a conventional war. He also named the U.S. Somalia experience as being an influence. When U.S. marines went to Somalia Osama sent some Afghan Mujahideen fighters to battle them. They reported back that the American soldiers had fled the country after a few short battles; they believed that the Americans were not ready to fight against a long-term guerilla campaign. And why did Osama want to fight the U.S.? Two of the important factors he mentioned in these interviews were U.S. troops entering Saudi Arabia, and U.S. sanctions against Iraq leading to the indirect deaths of 600,000 Iraqi children. Fisk also pointed out that some of the first anti-U.S. operations - the U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, which had been blamed on simple "hatred of America" by the western media, occurred on the eighth anniversary of the arrival of the first US troops in Saudi Arabia in 1990.

Re:and the saddest thing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367756)

Road Fatailities US
~ 33,000 per year * 10 years = 330,000

Iraq war - estimated 1,000,000 deaths (nothing to do with 9-11, but many believed so in the run up)

Worried about terrorism? More people die from dog bites.

Re:and the saddest thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367866)

So if someone started up some right wing group to assassinate liberal leaders, then they could dismiss outcries simply by saying "Haha! A single death? That's a second of road traffic incidents, your concern is laughable and overblown!" ?

Sorry, but the reason for a death and the motivation behind it is (as the preceding two lines illustrate) of monumental and extreme importance.

Re:and the saddest thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367960)

Except the last assassination attempt was Demoncrats trying to take out a Republican.

Re:and the saddest thing (4, Insightful)

RebelWithoutAClue (578771) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367784)

Hmm, no. Car accident statistics dont get worse if you ignore them.

On the other hand ignoring something as big 9/11 would have emboldened OBL and invite him to make the next one even bigger...

It would have made us look like paper tigers. The appearance of weakness is the sort of thing that tempts our enemies to start wars.

Re:and the saddest thing (-1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367836)

+1 If I could mod this up, I would. Bin Laden was actually counting on the idea that we wouldn't retaliate. This idea that the past 10 years have all been part of his awesome plan is just a liberal hippie-minded peace-and-love myth.

Re:and the saddest thing (2, Interesting)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367936)

And what did you exact in the last 10 years? Except for pointless death, that is. In what humane sense has the world improved by American action in those years? You gained a slight geostrategic point with getting a foothold in the gulf, but that, too, is rather fleeting and pretty much offset by the hate it generated, by proving the Wahhabists' point in the end.

Re:and the saddest thing (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367878)

Hmm, no. Car accident statistics dont get worse if you ignore them.

They do. If it weren't for the car accident statistics taken seriously, our cars would be much more dangerous today.

Re:and the saddest thing (1)

RebelWithoutAClue (578771) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367972)

Sure, but next year's accident statistics are likely to be proportional to the number of cars/traffic/congestion no matter what.

But if you appear to be a paper tiger, the next attack will be an order of magnitude bigger.

Re:and the saddest thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367922)

Original Anon Coward with car stats here.

I agree, should not be ignored. But the disproportionate treasure spent, goodwill towards the US completely spent, and disproportionate fatalities from Iraqi side alone cannot be ignored either.

If retaliation is required, Afghanistan would suffice, alas, I don't believe a real effort was made to rout Taliban etc. And in consequence opium production is far higher that before. How much of this opium will find its way to the US?

The real point here is, if you want to save US lives, there are more positive and productive was of doing it, rather than taking a bad temper to far away third world countries for what will likely engender more ill-will.

My sympathies to all who suffered.

Re:and the saddest thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367940)

I whole-heartily disagree that car accident statistics don't get worse if you simply ignore them. For reference, read up on Robert S. McNamara's efforts with Ford Motor Company spent improving vehicular safety. Or, if you'd prefer, just watch the applicable parts of Fog of War. However, I'd like to point out that the number of deaths, that were rapidly increase as more drivers took to the roads, was address through physics, research, and education--not bullets, bombs, and bloodshed. Though, I'll admit that blowing up everyone and their cars would also have lowered the number of deaths by collisions as the number of drivers and cars decreased.

It's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367858)

A nation that things it owns the whole world, can torture other country's ppls, can force them to act in ways it wants, and that is in everyone else's face.

What you say is actually true. The United States of America is the mightiest, richest, dominant and most influential country in the world. So whatever we say or do, the rest of the world bends to our will. That's just the way it is now, sorry if that offends you but its true.

Oh and for a nation so hated by the rest of the world, don't you think its odd more people are immigrating here than in any other country still? Yeah that's what I thought.

I just completely destroyed you. I win.

Re:and the saddest thing (-1, Troll)

RoLi (141856) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367914)

Exactly. America went from being a force of good to being a force of evil.

I would urge everybody to read the official report [goo.gl] or at least a short summary [goo.gl]. What is glaring is what is not in it:

  • - No WTC-7 collapse
  • - No explanation of find dust cloud
  • - No explanation why a plane crash in the 90th floor could damage the "software" (yes, that's correct) running in the command center in the 22nd floor.
  • - No explanation how the collapse of the towers (which is without precedent even though there have been much bigger and longer fires in high-rise steel buildings) could happen

If anybody calls you a "conspiracy theorist", ask him wether he believes that WTC-7 did not collapse because according to the "official story" it did not. All that "pancake theory"-stuff is just as "inofficial" as Alex Jones.

Cue the internet tough guys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367568)

Now!

Nice summary, but... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367580)

I try to remember the thousands upon thousands of civillians in the Middle East who have perished, as well as the poor souls in America.

I'm sick of that aspect being completely ignored so often by Western Media.

My hat is off, hand on heart - to all of the victims of the event, and the consequences.

Would love to be able to fly without being treated like a criminal though.

Re:Nice summary, but... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367806)

Wait, wait, wait - the parent points out that there are thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians who have been killed or injured by US forces and he's modded "Troll"?!

Why?

And when you think that the US' invasion of Iraq that was justified for different reasons at different times which lead me to believe that the invasion was for bogus reasons to begin with, I can't help thinking that 9/11 was used for an excuse to invade for reasons completely unrelated to 9/11 - *cough* oil *cough*

And there's the innocents in Afghanistan. Their lives are just as important as the Wall Street traders and bankers who were killed in the Twin Tower attacks.

Re:Nice summary, but... (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367894)

True. Of course, I also remember Palestinians cheering in the streets after the attack. Almost everyone in the world could be better behaved and more humane.

Re:Nice summary, but... (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367938)

that's a fact, but in reality it is human nature to not be humane - we've been killing each of for thousands of years for land, riches, over religious ideologies, or just for power.... The first Empires in the true definition were Middle Eastern and North African, its kind of ironic in my opinion - I don't think humans will ever have the utopian Star Trek world, but it would be nice....

Ten Years Ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367588)

Hard to believe ten years have passed. I truly believe that through the chaos that was probably Slashdot's finest moment - as everything else on the web crashed under the load. Myself I couldn't believe the news when some cafeteria workers in one of the college dining establishments were talking about it - I thought they were joking until I tried to get into the building for my class shortly after.

Thanks for posting the story the way you have - I think it was the most fitting way you could do it.

My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (2, Insightful)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367592)

Actually I was reading /. when I heard about it.

My thoughts are with everyone who lost friends and family members in the attack.

Fuck religion! This is what happens, over and over.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367608)

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367614)

Blaming the attacks on religion is a bit misguided. The attackers were trying to fight against US foreign policies and globalization -- look at their choice of targets (a major global financial center, the US military headquarters, and various US government targets that were thankfully missed). Religion may have been played a small part in convincing the attackers to commit suicide, but the motivation for the attacks themselves was political.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (3, Informative)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367634)

"Religion may have been played a small part in convincing the attackers to commit suicide, but the motivation for the attacks themselves was political."

That "small part" is lethal.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (3, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367700)

Not really. People have been going on suicide missions for thousands of years without religious motivation. Protecting their tribe and their tribe's way of life has always been enough to convince some subset of the population to die, and there's a good evolutionary reason for this, particularly for if the individuals in question have already passed on their genes. Religion is a convenient excuse to behave like an asshat, but if you take it away then people just find other excuses (national exceptionalism, for example).

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1, Troll)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367854)

Suicide attacks are always about religion, in some form. A person who doesn't believe in an afterlife finds ways to fight that don't involve his own death.

Edit (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367864)

I should've said "necessarily". You certainly don't have to believe in an afterlife to be willing to die, but you certainly do to throw your life away.

Re:Edit (1)

Pstrobus (149491) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367926)

Which explains the Soviet soldiers who strapped on satchel charges and threw themselves under German tanks during the fighting in Crimea. Communism is explicitly atheist and by extension a "no afterlife" group.

One could argue that patriotism is religion (they were defending their country from invasion after all) but claiming equivalence between religion and patriotism does make one look a bit of a prat.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367898)

Is that what japanese kamikazi pilots had in mind? Plunging their airplanes towards US carriers in the name of Buddhism?

Religion was just a convenient tool. Politics was the real underlying reason.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1)

syockit (1480393) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367720)

You mean like how they'd blow themselves up together with the plane? I'd say it's still a small part. Non-religious terrorists would still blow up the place with some other method.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367732)

Except that there is no reason to think that in the absence of religion, the attackers would not have been willing to commit suicide. When I said "small part," I meant that it may have been part of the reason the attackers committed suicide, not that it was the only reason. The fighter pilot sent after United 93 was also instructed to commit suicide, without any religious motivation.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1, Insightful)

North Korea (2457866) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367786)

You can see the Norway shootings for example. The guy didn't commit suicide in the end, but killed ~90 people and he might just as well have suicided himself after that. It wasn't related to religion in any way, it was politics - right vs. left, and more capitalism ideas against socialism. He took it to extremes, but religion wasn't part of that. I suspect this also was much more about politics than anything religion related.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (3, Insightful)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367802)

I agree it's wrong to blame religion in general for this, But the attacks were religiously motivated.

They were conducted by a religious fanatical group, al-Qaeda.

The stated reasons from al-Qaeda for the attacks were threefold:

1) U.S Support of Israel
          This could be religious or non-religious, but for al-Qaeda it was probably a religious reason)
2) U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia
          This was definitely a religious motivation. al-Qaeda believs that the Koran forbids a long term presence by non-Muslims so close to Mecca.
3) U.S. / Western sanctions against Iraq.
          While al-Qaeda had no love for Saddam Hussein, they still listed this as a reason. I've never heard an explanation for why this is a reason, but I presume it's because they perceived the sanctions as harming Muslims living in Iraq.

So religion played more than a small role in the motivations. These statements were made before the attacks (years before) and after.

That said, as an atheist, I still can't make such a sweeping statement that religion is *always* bad, or that it causes things like this. It can motivate people both ways, like politics and lots of other things.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367974)

Well, I did say that the attacks targeted US foreign policy and globalization. All of the things you listed fit that mold -- Israel is the closest thing to a religious motivation, but Al Qaeda did not crash planes into Israeli buildings, crash a boat into an Israeli warship, or bomb Israeli embassies, nor did they attack specifically Jewish targets (they could have hijacked a small plane to crash into a famous synagogue in the US, it would not be hard -- the Truro synagogue is pretty close to LGA). It is not hard to understand why Iraq was included on their list -- Iraq never attacked the United States, but we invaded that nation and enforced sanctions that have been extremely harmful to its citizens, and on top of all of that, the same sort of things that we did to Osama bin Laden's group in Afghanistan were done to Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq: we give them weapons and training to fight our enemies, and then fail to provide them with assistance afterwards (or in the case of Iraq, when they use their weapons in was we do not agree with, we bomb them). Again, examine the choice of targets -- the World Trade Center (a symbol of globalization), the Pentagon (our military headquarters and a symbol of US military power), and the Capitol building (thankfully, this failed, but this is a symbol of US political power), as well as possible other non-religious targets.

Yes, it is easy to blame religion for these attacks, but looking at the two decades that led up to the attacks tells a different story. What did the US embassy in Kenya (where most citizens are Christian) have to do with Islamic law? All of the attacks attributed to Al Qaeda have, at least by all appearances, been political in nature, with religion playing a possible role in motivating suicide as part of the attack (yet I would not dismiss the idea that suicidal attacks may just be a facet of middle eastern culture, and I do not see a reason to believe that in the absence of religion, the attackers would not have been willing to commit suicide).

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367708)

Atheist fools who don't respect religion deserve what they get. A lack of respect always leads to violence.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367714)

Religion doesn't cause war, but is used by people who aren't religious but pretend to be. All wars are for power and wealth, started and waged by sociopaths.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (1)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367904)

I called the grandparent post out on his statement that religion always causes wars as bullshit.

Your statement that it doesn't is just as much bullshit.

Just because you are religious and you wouldn't start a war over religion, doesn't mean you can say "theirs isn't really religion" any more than those who would use violence can say yours isn't "real religion" because you won't turn to violence over it.

Osama Bin Laden was religious. His motivations for attacking the west were religiously motivated. Guess what, not all religions are the same. Not all people's interpretation of the SAME religion is the same, as demonstrated by peaceful Muslims you can contrast against Jihadists, or the folks like Eric Prince at Blackwater who contrast peaceful Christians.

You can't just wave your hands and call their religion "fake" because you don't like that some religious people do disgusting things. If you can do that, I can do the same to you.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367716)

This is not religion related this is the result of your external policy...

They only use religion to mobilize the people... like your "One nation under god" and "in god we trust" then all the sheeps join the fight..

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (3)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367954)

The two are not mutually exclusive. It was about foreign policy, yes.

But al-Qaeda (a religious extremist group,first of all) objected to three foreign policy points on religious grounds.

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2422714&cid=37367802 [slashdot.org]

They weren't upset about general foreign policy points like trade policy or environments policy, or monetary policy. They were upset over things that they perceived to violate tenants of Islam.

You can make secular arguments for all three of their main stated reasons. But that isn't the route they took. Their reasons were explicitly religious.

Re:My thoughts are with everyone who lost anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367730)

Religion is a powerful force that can be used for either good or evil. You should make an effort to distinguish, instead of making sweeping generalizations.

It was pretty cool seeing though... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367598)

Umm...well..you have to admit that the Towers coming down was cool......kinda like seeing the entire Mexican airforce crash into an oil refinery!

Seriously.....for the other 95% of the worlds population while we all go "Oh wow, that's terrible.."...under our breath we also say '...but amazingly fucking cool too!"..

Come on....the towers collapsing live on TV was like the biggest Michael Bray movie ever!

Re:It was pretty cool seeing though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367956)

Um, no we don't.
I am very disappointed that the USA never mention the innocent civilians who died in Iraq, I'm disappointed that they expect sympathy today when they never extend that sympathy to the victims of their war, I in fact wrote a harsh post about this somewhere above, but I do not think the towers falling is cool. And I have never met anyone in Europe who thinks it is cool, even among the most anti-American people I know.

Don't take your case for a generality.

That's not the first memorable 09-11 (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367612)

In 1714, the Spanish army crushed the Catalan resistance and imposed their barbarian culture upon them. A whole nation obliterated.
In 1973, the US-backed Pinochet overthrew the democratic government of Chile. At least 3,197 died.

Re:That's not the first memorable 09-11 (1)

gomiam (587421) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367758)

Ok, let's flame on. Catalonia wasn't a nation then and it had never been, since it had belonged to the crown of Aragon. Sorry to burst your bubble.

At least you talked about a real coup d'etat on Chile's case.

Re:That's not the first memorable 09-11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367876)

I really hope your point is that "people didn't die in Catalonia" because if it isn't you are a complete moron.

Re:That's not the first memorable 09-11 (1, Informative)

mike1210 (1782518) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367910)

In 1973, the US-backed Pinochet overthrew the democratic government of Chile. At least 3,197 died.

Salvador Allende was "democratically elected", but then, so was Hitler. Before Pinochet forcibly removed him from power, Allende had destroyed democracy in Chile by imposing socialism in violation of Chilean law.

No, the CIA was not involved in the coup.

Great. (1)

knuthin (2255242) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367616)

Out of all the things, I surely expected a guy on Slashdot to link to "The Origins of Linux" in times of national crisis.
On a much serious note: remembering all the innocent lives lost.

Re:Great. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367722)

Out of all the things, I surely expected a guy on Slashdot to link to "The Origins of Linux" in times of national crisis.

On a much serious note: remembering all the innocent lives lost.

What was the time of that story?
At what time did the attack start?

The terrorists won, beyond their wildest dreams (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367620)

They got us good. They caused the equivalent of a cytokine storm, a massive autoimmune response. We lost important freedoms, likely for good, and bankrupted ourselves financially and otherwise. The world hates us, our economy is in the toilet, the government is hopelessly corrupt, and we STILL haven't won, because no one really wins asymmetric warfare short of turning the insurgents and their country into a smoking glass crater. They did to us what we did to the Soviets not 20 years ago, and we fell for it.

Re:The terrorists won, beyond their wildest dreams (2)

taiwanjohn (103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367672)

Nailed it.

Nailed it but still got modded down to hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367702)

I guess people can't stand looking at the harsh reality.

The terrorists lost (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367826)

The terrorists wanted to strike US foreign policy and globalization. The policies the terrorists were trying to strike back against have been make even more aggressive following the attacks, and the US is continuing to push the globalization agenda. Claiming that the terrorists attacked us because of our freedoms is complete nonsense -- they would have attacked us just the same if we had been the USSR (in fact, Osama bin Laden had once fought against the USSR in Afghanistan, an episode that may have had something to do with his hatred for the USA).

Re:The terrorists lost (1)

taiwanjohn (103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367968)

They wanted to goad America into war, in order to bankrupt the country (just like they did with the USSR). Bush gave them all that plus an extra "bonus" war for good measure.

Re:The terrorists won, beyond their wildest dreams (0)

RebelWithoutAClue (578771) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367832)

Nah, the terrorists didn't win, they got smashed in large numbers, by a completely disproportionate but necessary response.

The original thread (3, Interesting)

fadeaway (531137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367622)

I remember the madness of trying to get details on that day. One of the things that stuck with me is that most of the major media websites were completely overwhelmed. One of the primary methods of gathering information was through comments on aggregation sites like fark and slashdot: http://slashdot.org/story/01/09/11/1314258/World-Trade-Towers-and-Pentagon-Attacked [slashdot.org] We all leaned very heavily on the internet on that day, and discovered what a blessing (and/or curse) social media can be.

Re:The original thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367812)

Those news sites would have held up better if they had been using MongoDB as the database and Node.js as the backend server.

Re:The original thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367824)

iirc,irc ftw

10 years later (5, Interesting)

dlt074 (548126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367656)

I sure didn't think i'd be spending the ten year anniversary of 9/11 in Afghanistan... but here I am. strange how life works out. i remember on that day, i wanted nothing more then to find the people who'd done it and make them pay... i wasn't in the military back then.

now, i'm here, they know they've won, we've announced our intentions to leave(surrender) and they attack almost daily. their(Islamists) resolve is stronger then ever. ours(average US citizen) is pathetically weak and short sighted. though, it's not like we have any direction or a plan to get behind.

nope, never thought ten years later, this would be happening.

Re:10 years later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367790)

I hope you realize that little statement you made is a UCMJ chargeable offense.

Re:10 years later (5, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367810)

First, thank you for your service to our country.

Second, fuck you for joining out of bloodlust. Service is a duty, not an excuse to become a heathen. Our military doesn't exist to settle feuds. It exists to uphold principles and rules of law, and to protect our nation from existential threats. Do you honestly think terrorist attacks from a landlocked nation that hasn't had a stable central government in three decades is capable of destroying our national sovereignty? Our failure to use restraint and common sense has cost this country its principles, the lives of your fellow soldiers, and trillions of dollars, all without making the world any safer from terrorism.

In short, your ignorance is more dangerous and has done more damage to this country than fundamentalist Islam.

As a citizen who is paying your salary, I wish I could fire you. You don't represent me or my values.

My thoughts are with... (5, Insightful)

jampola (1994582) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367660)

...the families of EVERYONE who lost their lives as a result as a result... Iraqis, Afghans, Americans, EVERYBODY. I may be a little drunk right now but I am completely perplexed as to why everywhere and everybody's thoughts are focused on the people who lost their lives on that day, not the amount of lives that have been lost on the ensuing 3650 days since 2001. My thoughts are with all families of all nationalities who have lost their lives as a result, whether it be an Australian soldier, Iraqi family or an American who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. My thoughts are with you all.

Re:My thoughts are with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367724)

I am completely perplexed as to why everywhere and everybody's thoughts are focused on the people who lost their lives on that day, not the amount of lives that have been lost on the ensuing 3650 days since 2001.

You pretend to be so inclusive about it but your bias against those who died on 29 February 2004 and 2008 is despicable. They deserve a bit of respect too.

The sad thing is (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367666)

that the terrorists have won.

Ten Years of Nonsense (-1, Troll)

boudie2 (1134233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367686)

After ten years of this charade I'm still shaking my head. There is NO way the World Trade Towers came down on their own like they did. You can't make a call on a cell phone from an airplane. And the Pentagon is the most unusual case with almost no (believable) physical evidence. And yet the United States has embarked on a "mission" to rid the world of evil, which has driven it to the brink of bankruptcy. I cringe every time I hear "God Bless America". And keep waiting for all this to make sense. Heroes my ass. And all the celebrating only makes the citizens of the U.S. look like the fools they are.

I was reading slashdot that morning... (3, Interesting)

savi (142689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367694)

For some reason, this is the only place that it doesn't bother me to see the 10-year anniversary stuff. I can very clearly remember reading slashdot in an office when news of this began to spread.

What a terrible tragedy the event was.

And what a terrible tragedy the last ten years of response to it has been.

Huh? What? "Reexamination"? (2, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367738)

The only politician in the public eye who has been "reexamining" US policy has been Ron Paul... and more recently the other politicos who have been following in his footsteps.

But keep in mind that unlike the others, Paul as ALWAYS been saying these things, for 30 years, while those others are just trying to get your vote, then will do whatever the hell they want if they get in office. Kind of like Obama.

coordinated by whom? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367772)

You speak of "terrorist attacks", but do you honestly believe that after 10 years of contradicting evidence to the official story? There had to be involvement beyond a few extremists hiding out in caves. Don't push your ignorant propaganda to intelligent people here that know better, that job is for the mainstream media.

Day of Mourning (5, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367788)

This should be a day of mourning, not just because of the people who died (one of my managers at the time, Vladimir Tomasevic, I am lucky not to have been there too), but it's a day of mourning for the liberties and freedoms lost across USA but also across the entire freaking world. The entire world today looks more and more like a crazy toon town, with cops with machine guns everywhere, insane laws, TSA, just general loss of privacy, liberty, decency, everything, and this should also include the economic calamity that obviously worsened due to the insane response to the events.

This kind of response is not about fighting crime, which terrorism basically is. This kind of response is about destroying the human rights and freedoms, if that still means anything to anybody.

I wish to see return to normalcy and government non-intervention, so I think voting for Ron Paul is the obvious good first step. If the man understands one thing - it's liberty and the other thing is economy.

Also, WTF, USA? Where are 10 towers in place of those 2, 10 that are 5 times as tall?

Some recollections (4, Interesting)

macwhizkid (864124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367796)

I was in 10th grade German class when we got the announcement. I remember not grasping the significance of the news until I saw the look of fear on my teacher's face. I hopped on the school network to try to get updates. I was moderately successful... most sites were down, CNN was a 50/50 shot, and so much of my news that day came in through reading updates and comments on Slashdot, at least until we were allowed to go to the library (the one place in our school that had cable TV).

I'm fearful that we've squandered quite a bit of the opportunity (not the right word, I know) that the tragedy bought us in the following months and years. Instead of making amends with the world, I fear we've gotten involved in three endless wars and brought our country to the brink of bankruptcy, both fiscally and morally.

As one commenter put it, in perhaps the most chillingly precognitive Slashdot comment of all time [slashdot.org]: "The biggest casualty will probably be our Constitution. Whenever a tragedy likes this occurs, the government always announces a get tough on terrorists policy that will have no effect on the psychopaths who do this, but will severely limit our rights.

"The huge loss of life is bad enough. The subsequent loss of what truly represents what this country stands for will be intolerable."

102 Minutes that Changed America (1)

Mike Mentalist (544984) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367808)

Fascinating documentary on the History channel at the moment in the UK.

It's just non-stop amateur footage (no narrators or anything like that at all) all shown in chronological order. It's almost like being back there on the day and watching it with the benefit of hindsight.

My remembrance of the day (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367842)

I'm writing and drawing an adults-only autobiographic novel, which includes events from around September 2001. There were two tragedies that week. The first was on 9/11 when 3000 people were killed. The second was on 9/12 when America responded. Some of that response was good, but mostly it turned its back on the things that make it a great country. These two pages from my GN are about that: NSFW, partial male nudity [jaqrabbit.com]

Keep Calm and Carry On (4, Insightful)

bobbinspenguin (1988368) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367846)

When I was a kid you'd turn the telly on and see another news report about the IRA blowing up a school or setting off a nail bomb in Soho. It happened too often to stop the country though and America didn't give two shits so the rest of the world didn't say anything. You just got on with it. This country's took a lot from terrorist attacks over the years but September 11th was the first proper kick in the teeth for the previously untouchable Americans who're brainwashed from birth to believe they're the greatest country in the world. That was probably a bigger shock than the lives lost - the fact that someone got to them. This really isn't flamebait so don't consider it as such please. Spare a thought for the lives lost in the attacks yes, but do these people ever spare a thought for the lives lost elsewhere. Those places not in the centre of the universe. http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Calm-Carry-T-Shirt-Red/dp/B004IC0WMM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315749737&sr=8-1 [amazon.com]

The initial bulletins. (2)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367862)

I quite liked this ten minute clip [dumpert.nl] of the initial news bulletins after the first attack.
R.I.P. for the people that died that day... and the thousands more that had to die in other countries that were since then invaded by the US...

We do all this for 3,000 dead (2)

whoda (569082) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367902)

Yet we still allow 18,000 or so people to be killed each year by domestic drunk drivers and don't really do anything about it.

What about all the people USA has slaughtered (1, Insightful)

sakari (194257) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367908)

Yeah, you don't remember those here, do you. Every month USA seems to kill more innocent people abroad, in Libya, Iraq, Iran, you name it.

Why not remember those ? Because it's the uncomfortable truth that nobody wants to think about. Everyday more money and resources are spent on military forces that could be used to educate children and help those who suffer, right in your own country. But this is not newsworthy stuff, and the big media is owned by the same people who control the military, so this is not something they want to talk about.

And terrorist attacks ? The facts point more to the fact that the terrorist, the same people who infringe on our human rights more and more every day, scanning our bodies at airports, spreading misinformation and lies and hogging resources that could be spreaded equally to actually create something great, are actually the US government and the people behind them.

Think for yourself, the mainstream media is bullshit and owned by the big money who also are dependent on the oil markets. Throw away your TV, it is the most powerful hypnotic spreader of lies ever inventend. Dismiss Hollywood, as their only task is only to make fiction out of our reality and make people believe that "that only happens in the movies".

THINK FOR YOURSELF. I would have thought Slashdot would even take into account all the controversy regarding 911 and stop just spreading the propaganda that we have been forcefed through all the mainstream sources.

I feel for those who lost loved ones during the attacks. But I have no sympathy for the real culprits behind this occultic mass murder.

First found out on Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367912)

My father had passed after a battle with cancer about 25 days before 9/11/01 and the week prior we had just interred him at Arlington National Cemetery. The plane that hit the Pentagon flew right over his headstone.
I found out about 9/11 on Slashdot. I lived in DC and slept in for the first morning in a long time. I woke at 10:30am, opened my laptop and checked Slashdot as was and still is my habit. I read about the trade center on fire and collapsing and honestly I thought it was some sort of inside reference to some geek pop culture that I was not privy too. About that time my ICQ fired up and I had several messages come in almost instantly asking if I was ok.
I got moving and was on the road out of DC in short order to my late father's house in Annapolis that we had not sold yet. Several things I remember from that drive.
First, I saw the smoke from the Pentagon in the rear view mirror. Driving through some rough neighborhoods I felt very dang safe. If Red Dawn was starting then I was in a well armed neighborhood and these tough folks where on my side today. Every car on the road had their windows down with WTOP 1500 AM turned up loud so people on the street could hear. Traffic was very heavy, but very polite. It is amazing, but people do know how to do a zipper merge when they are in the right frame of mind.
When I was about into Maryland at 11:30 or so, I noticed a few fighter jets in the air, flying very seriously. I did not know if that was ours, and that made me a bit afraid.
On RT 50 East bound I saw a military convoy going towards DC of 20 - 30 vehicles.
I finally arrived at Dads house, and my brother was already there. We decided to fill up all the cars (including Dad's that we still had) with gas. Then around 2 or 3pm we went to Georges Restaurant in Arnold, the closest thing we had to extended family near by, and watched the news with them for a while.

On September 13th I went to my computer support client at 1801 Pennsylvania Avenue, Hearst Newspapers. I was in the room waiting for instructions from my point of contact when she received a phone call confirming that one of her former regular coworkers from when she was a flight attendant two years previous had perished on flight 77.

I was using Yahoo! News at the time. (2)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367918)

The first I heard about this was a news article that simply said "Plane hits World Trade Center."

The first thing that went through my mind was "some dumbass in a Cesna" I didn't know for another hour or two that it serious. An hour or two after that they were evacuating down-town Houston, the buses to the park and ride were so full I took the local Greenspoint Bus instead since it went to Greenspoint mall which wasn't far from my intended stop, even if it did take a lot longer to get there.

Security down town got stupid strong after that. I had to show my ID to simply use the ATM in the tunnel system across the street from the building I worked in. They locked down most of the stairwells in most of the down town buildings, you could only go downstairs, not up, if you could even do that after the attacks. So much for that stay healthy method.

It still saddens me to think back to that day. I don't think W. did the right thing, but for the life of me I don't know what the right thing was. Everyone cheered him on at first and supported the whole open up a can of whoop-ass idea, but when we didn't know where to stop they pointed the finger at him without actually offering a good what solution as to what we should do next. Even Obama is still doing what Bush started, Nobel Peace prize in hand. I think it's time to stop and completely leave the Middle East. We have plenty of oil here we're not allowed to get and we're rapidly developing technology to reduce our need for it. Get the government out of the way and we can cut our demand to quarter of it's current amount in the foreseeable future. I think Ron Paul is right, leave them alone and they'll leave us alone. We made our point, leave with a note saying "do it again and we'll be back" and GTFO out of their affairs. The key to prevention is to get out of everyone else's business and fix our own affairs.

Religion (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367934)

Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.

Probably most people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37367944)

have a differing memory to this day, as I heard on the radio a few days ago. Oh dear, what a shock!

cb

Time to move on. (1)

linebackn (131821) | more than 2 years ago | (#37367978)

I respect that for certain people that were directly affected by this event that this is something that will be with them for the rest of their lives.

But with all the fear and paranoia that has grown in the public since then, I think it is way past time for the rest of us to move on. But every day I hear the powerful voices in news proclaiming this that and the other that we should be afraid of. Too often invoking the name of 9/11, categorizing any little thing as terroristic, and growing the wave of fear that started that day.

BTW, thanks Slashdot for not running a thousand sensationalist stories about it. Like most media out there you know it would bring in the advertising dollars if you did. (Well, I guess there is still plenty of time for an unintentional dupe to show up)

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