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Microsoft Reveals More Windows 8 Details

Unknown Lamer posted about 3 years ago | from the eighth-try-is-a-charm dept.

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Barence writes "Microsoft has released the first full details of Windows 8, with an all-or-nothing approach to touchscreen technology. All versions of Windows 8 — whether used on a touchscreen device or not — will use the operating system's new Metro interface, which was first developed for Windows Phone 7 devices. The advent of Windows 8 sees Microsoft introduce a new style of application, dubbed Metro Style apps, and its own app store. The company also claims to have boosted Windows 8 performance with fast boot/shutdown times, a new Task Manager and the option to refresh a PC with a clean install of the OS with apps and settings left intact."

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I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (5, Funny)

nman64 (912054) | about 3 years ago | (#37389428)

...as if millions of PC users suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389488)

they could always, y'know, choose something else. wah that might mean reading a man page, cry cry wipe the tears away already. if they really want to, they will.

ONE WORD FOR WINDOWS 8: (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 3 years ago | (#37389808)

WINNING!

Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (1, Redundant)

jellomizer (103300) | about 3 years ago | (#37389838)

Its Windows with out windows...
I see this as the rise of Linux on the Desktop, and the fact that Microsoft has decided the Desktop is no longer relevant.

After looking at this, it could be a serious competition to Apple iOS and Android. As they can make off the shelf Tablets and you have all your windows software ready to run on it. It could be a rebirth of Microsoft. Or it could backfire, Being that it is sacrificing its desktop share, for the tablet, where Android and iOS may have a sufficient market share to keep growing. And developers will make multi-touch apps for the Androids and iOS's and not bother with Microsoft anymore. But there are a lot of developers who already know how to make windows apps so who knows...

I need some popcorn.
   

Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (2, Informative)

fnj (64210) | about 3 years ago | (#37389904)

Actually Gnome has ALSO decided the desktop is no longer relevant. Fortunately KDE and Xfce have not yet taken leave of their senses.

Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (3, Insightful)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 3 years ago | (#37389994)

MS did not decide that the desktop is no longer relevant. Apple did. MS, is as usual, following Apple's lead. (Witness Mission Control in Lion.)

I for one look forward to windows 9 (4, Funny)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389458)

which should be the next good version, and if MS keeps to their historic release schedule, we should see sometime in 2014 to 2015. Not that long to wait really, since I'm sure Windows 7, which I find to be excellent, will tide me over while I wait.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1, Troll)

Flyerman (1728812) | about 3 years ago | (#37389560)

Please, both with this version and 9, wait until it's actually out.

They're both equally likely to be terrible.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

Arlet (29997) | about 3 years ago | (#37389636)

The problem is when your computer breaks during this interval, and the only new ones for sale come with Windows 8 pre-installed.

That happened to me with Vista.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389678)

Even after Windows 7 went on sale it was possible to get a new PC with WindowsXP, if you couldn't figure out how, slashdot is not meant for you.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389768)

It's even easier than that (assuming you're talking about installing the OS yourself).

I used to work at a software dev company that didn't officially support windows7 or any 64-bit version of windows really (They eventually managed to patch up their crappy software to work with win7 at least, although they still don't support 64-bit OSes last I checked). Because of this, they still recommended XP to everybody who called in asking what to purchase. Our standard response was "Call up dell, ask them to put XP on your new computer. they don't advertise it, but they'll do it". When I left that company, Dell was still doing it. I assume they still do.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37390022)

They don't, MS won't sell them the licenses to do it. Now, if you're referring to more recent versions of Windows, I'm not sure I understand why one would insist upon having Vista installed in preference to 7.

But presumably they'll continue the practice as long as they can obtain the licenses to do it.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389694)

You don't have OS install discs for your OS of choice squirreled away somewhere? I thought every slashdotter did...

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (1)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | about 3 years ago | (#37389794)

That's why you build your own and keep your OS disks.

Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389668)

By recent history shouldn't you expect windows 9 (renamed windows 8 with some quirks smoothed out, that were there probably there on purpose in the first place) in late 2013?

Nope! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389468)

There's not a fucking chance I'm using that shitty windows phone interface.

Re:Nope! (1)

halo_2_rocks (805685) | about 3 years ago | (#37389526)

You are absolutely right. This has got to be the most stupid thing Microsoft has done since they launched the Kin.

Huh? (1)

kakyoin01 (2040114) | about 3 years ago | (#37389884)

This has got to be the most stupid thing Microsoft has done since they launched the Kin.

The what? I've never even heard of the Kin until now. Can I reward you for providing information on this splendidly hip device by paying you in bitcoins?

Re:Nope! (0)

alen (225700) | about 3 years ago | (#37389578)

this is for the 99% of users out there who don't have hundreds of arcane applications on their computers. just the basic ones and a few games.

the desktop RSS reader seems to be a lot better than google reader. the desktop has been mostly wasted space for years now and this is a pretty good way to put it to good use

Re:Nope! (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37389734)

this is for the 99% of users out there who don't have hundreds of arcane applications on their computers. just the basic ones and a few games.

If you don't have a ton of arcane Windows apps that won't run in Wine, why would you want to run Windows?

Re:Nope! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389920)

Cause you're an average user who doesn't know crap about computers?

PS. Are you always this dense or on Tuesdays only? :)

Re:Nope! (1)

alen (225700) | about 3 years ago | (#37389950)

because itunes doesn't run on linux

i tried to run ubuntu but gave up. it's slow and annoying. i'll probably just get a mac next year to run ^nix

Re:Nope! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 3 years ago | (#37389890)

Your still on DOS right? Or you have been using Linux for the past few decades...

If you still use windows.
You will at some point will need to make a choice and use outdated apps or upgrade to a new OS.

If you take too long you will be the Old Man who doesn't know how to use the new stuff...

Every other release (1)

grimmjeeper (2301232) | about 3 years ago | (#37389474)

Seems like the Windows/Star Trek "every other release" rule is still in play. This user interface will be horrible on the business desktop for people who actually want to get real work done. I wonder how many businesses will avoid Windows 8 and wait for 9 to come out?

Re:Every other release (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389520)

Why would you use the touch interface for a desktop? I'm sure it's meant to be used for tablets.

Re:Every other release (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389536)

Derp. You can use the Windows 7 interface in Windows 8 with no problems.

I guess you'd have to actually pay attention to things to realise that though. But what fun would it be to derp when you know facts?

Re:Every other release (0)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389646)

"no problems"?

read TFA. there are all sorts of problems, mostly related to the start menu's new horribleness even in the "win7 desktop".

Re:Every other release (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389712)

I'm at the keynote watching him demonstrate it RIGHT NOW. It works wonderfully.

Educate yourself. /accused of being a microsoft shill in 3... 2... 1... //ah, predictable.

Re:Every other release (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389826)

Seeing as I'm not at the keynote, I have to go by the article. The article says "I used it. it's horrible." I have nothing other to gauge an opinion on at this time. Perhaps the author was using an earlier release than what's currently onstage.

Re:Every other release (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 3 years ago | (#37389860)

I'm at the keynote watching him demonstrate it RIGHT NOW. It works wonderfully.

Educate yourself. /accused of being a microsoft shill in 3... 2... 1... //ah, predictable.

Given that you're reading Slashdot while at the keynote, I have a hard time believing you're paying enough attention to notice any delays, glitches, or other annoyances that might occur during the presentation.

Re:Every other release (2, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 3 years ago | (#37389896)

If you're at the fucking keynote, describing a demo as "working wonderfully" you're a Microsoft shill by definition.

Re:Every other release (1)

0racle (667029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389558)

Those users will simply run the classic Windows 7 Desktop app, and probably find a way to automatically run that on login.

9 will probably do the same thing, if not make it harder to run the Windows 7 Desktop.

Re:Every other release (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389702)

and probably find a way to automatically run that on login.

Which will be done the same way it is now, by changing a registry key. from metro.exe back to explorer.exe

Re:Every other release (1)

grimmjeeper (2301232) | about 3 years ago | (#37389970)

I missed that part about it being in an app. From TFA:

The familiar Windows desktop, which has been the cornerstone of the operating system since Windows 95, has been effectively demoted to an "app".

Though this sounds like an extra layer that gets in the way of productivity. At least that's my first thought. Hopefully they don't screw things up too badly.

Re:Every other release (1)

alen (225700) | about 3 years ago | (#37389598)

most business users have a few apps. MS office and a few corporate apps. business users are also the first ones to whine about desktop icons and shortcuts. this is a pretty good solution.

Re:Every other release (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 3 years ago | (#37389626)

Seems like the Windows/Star Trek "every other release" rule is still in play. This user interface will be horrible on the business desktop for people who actually want to get real work done. I wonder how many businesses will avoid Windows 8 and wait for 9 to come out?

LOL! Nice words.

I wonder how many will buy 8, then wait until 9 comes out and buy it to replace the one they currently have (8) that is SO CLOSE to awesome but just lacking a couple of things [they] HOPE will be in 9! :)

Re:Every other release (1)

RatBastard (949) | about 3 years ago | (#37389912)

My employer hasn't even moved to Window 7 yet.

Every other release (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389940)

Trying to cram it into an arbitrary pattern.
The reality was:

9x based: Blue screen era. Absolutely terrible.
Windows 2000 - Solid enough
XP - Polished 2k. Had a good innings
Vista - Crap
7 - Polished Vista
8 - Stopped caring, switched to linux

i hope (1)

drolli (522659) | about 3 years ago | (#37389492)

that there is a button to completely turn off metro and switch back to win2k-style menus (yes, i am doing that usually).

Re:i hope (1)

Flyerman (1728812) | about 3 years ago | (#37389544)

"When you click on the Windows Desktop tile, you’re thrown back into the familiar Windows 7 desktop, with the Taskbar running along the bottom and the not-so-touch-friendly desktop icons of old."

Obviously I can't speak for 2000 Start Menus, but I can't see it being impossible.

Re:i hope (2)

increment1 (1722312) | about 3 years ago | (#37389938)

There is a button to go to the desktop, but I doubt they will let you turn off the Metro UI completely. Microsoft is essentially using windows 8 to force their way into the mobile market. If every user is suddenly familiar with the windows phone UI, and all of their applications suddenly work seamlessly with their desktop and the windows phone OS, then maybe that windows phone starts to look that much better.

It is actually a rather brilliant move (not that I endorse it in any way) by Microsoft to leverage their desktop supremacy into the mobile space while seemingly avoiding anti-trust issues. I am sure that some of their competitors may try to call them out on this, but it seems like it would be an upward legal battle.

Admitting failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389494)

The company also claims to have boosted Windows 8 performance with fast boot/shutdown times, a new Task Manager and the option to refresh a PC with a clean install of the OS with apps and setting left intact.

They've thrown in the towel. They recognize they suck so hard at protecting basic system files from user corruption, they've included the option to reimage your Windows install as a basic OS feature.

Re:Admitting failure (1)

ryanov (193048) | about 3 years ago | (#37389742)

Well, the real issue with this is that, in my experience, the apps and settings are the problem, not Windows itself (depending upon whether you consider the registry to be part of the OS or the user settings). I've found that often times nuking the user profile (which is the most obnoxious part to lose) is what solves the problem, not that Windows binaries are corrupted.

Re:Admitting failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389762)

They've added an automatic file corruption to check if the system files have been changed, so malware targets the archives since they have full admin rights as the user granted them.

They've added System Restore to revert the computer back into a point in history without touching your documents and such. Malware targets that service and disables it because the user granted full admin rights to every program under the sun.

It's kind of hard protect itself when the users themselves say "HEE, HAVE MY SYSTEM FILEZ". Why don't you "su | rm -rf /" on a linux box and see how well the system files are preserved?

Re:Admitting failure (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389766)

they've included the option to reimage your Windows install as a basic OS feature.

Except thats not what they are giving you. They're giving you the same thing you've always had, install over the top of an existing install.

option to refresh a PC with a clean install of the OS with apps and setting left intact.

Considering that 99 times out of a 100, its the settings that broke the install in the first place, recopying new files over isn't all that useful.

ARM Processing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389524)

I think the most shocking and relevant reveal of today's release was the inclusion of ARM processing. This is big.

Dear Microsoft (4, Insightful)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37389542)

My Desktop PC is NOT a smartphone with a 22 inch screen

Please dont treat it like one

Re:Dear mehrotra.akash (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389662)

RTFA

Re:Dear Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389690)

Do you think now the text will fit in the screen?

Dear mehrotra.akash (1)

nstlgc (945418) | about 3 years ago | (#37390002)

Windows 8 is not an OS for a 22 inch smartphone

Please dont treat it like one

Translation (3, Insightful)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 3 years ago | (#37389586)

Quote from link: "Every screen needs to be touch. A monitor without touch feels dead."

Response: Like everything developed by every company that wants to have mass market sales, it's humorous to NOT hear "It's what we've noticed as something very popular with other types of [technology] that eats up peoples' time and develops even further interest in buying. Mystery and slow revelation with additional hidden secrets is the key to fast up-front sales. We'll jump on the bandwagon, but it's something completely different from the norm! Buy it and you'll find out how!"

Honesty is too painful to just throw out there, I guess. :)

Not troll material or flamebait at all - It's just something I see constantly and I find it humorous. I may love Windows 8, I may hate it. Don't know until I use it.

Re:Translation (1)

ryanov (193048) | about 3 years ago | (#37389772)

Yeah, because fingerprints all over my desktop screen full time is what I want/need.

Re:Translation (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 3 years ago | (#37389894)

Yeah, because fingerprints all over my desktop screen full time is what I want/need.

If I may add, I do believe that a monitor with touch is just as dead as a monitor without touch. Correct me if I'm wrong. :>

Re:Translation (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37389914)

If I may add, I do believe that a monitor with touch is just as dead as a monitor without touch. Correct me if I'm wrong. :>

You just aren't touching it right :).

Re:Translation (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 3 years ago | (#37390010)

If I may add, I do believe that a monitor with touch is just as dead as a monitor without touch. Correct me if I'm wrong. :>

You just aren't touching it right :).

Dear Microsoft,

I was at work today and my boss asked me how my statistics report was coming along. I tried to show her a copy but for some reason it wouldn't budge. I had to slow down. I ran my moist finger from the bottom to the top very slowly, inch by inch, until finally, it popped up like a shaking little window that just had the best time of its life beneath the pressure of my nimble index.

Sincerely,
John Doe

LOL

Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37389590)

This version can actually mean the year of Linux on the desktop.

If Windows XP had not lasted so long, or 7 had not come so soon, Ubuntu would have a non insignificant marketshare as of now

Having the same interface from 4 inch to 40 inch screens --- I really dont see how they can make something that scales SO well, will wait and watch, but I have serious doubts regarding the success

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | about 3 years ago | (#37389764)

p>Having the same interface from 4 inch to 40 inch screens --- I really dont see how they can make something that scales SO well, will wait and watch, but I have serious doubts regarding the success

Isn't this what Ubuntu was trying to achieve with Unity and Gnome with Gnome Shell? The smartphone/tablet market is the one that's growing right now, so everyone's chasing those dollars.

(Incidentally, I happen to like Gnome Shell and it seems to work well with large desktops and multiple monitors, so it seems like the goal is achievable.)

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37389802)

Using 10.04, never tried those.

Perhaps I should give them a try

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

Junta (36770) | about 3 years ago | (#37389812)

If Windows XP had not lasted so long

Windows XP lasted (past tense may not be accurate, but oh well) as long as they needed it to. It's not like XP suddenly will 'stop working' no matter what MS wants. So a hypothetical MS OS flop just means they fix it for 9 and the world largely pretends 8 doesn't exist and MS will roll with that so long as it prevents other desktop OSes.

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37389878)

By lasted I meant security patches and driver support.
Even 1-2 year old laptops seem to have Windows XP driver support.
Though I agree that its more of a decision on the Laptop manufacturer than Microsoft, but the market support is there.

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389932)

Sigh, still with this shit?

Vista didn't fuck up bad enough to make it 'The Year of the Linux Desktop', nothing is going to.

Until Linux gets some polish it will continue to be nothing but a sock puppet for political fanatics like Stallman and self serving 'developers' who can't be bothered with finishing features they start.

Re:Ubuntu support, please start gearing up (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 3 years ago | (#37389944)

No. Linux will never make inroads due to the immense legacy of software that requires Windows to run. Microsoft achieved their goal of a desktop that is completely unable to escape it.

You, however, are just a hateful shit.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389602)

Where are the ui pictures?
All I see are screenshots of someone's phone..

FUD in the article (1)

Suiggy (1544213) | about 3 years ago | (#37389606)

Metro is the default UI, but you can switch back to Aero Glass/Aero/Classic by tapping the Windows key on your keyboard. Metro isn't mandatory or forced on you on the desktop.

Re:FUD in the article (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about 3 years ago | (#37389784)

FUD back at you, when most apps require the Metro, that won't be a useful solution.

Re:FUD in the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389962)

It's been 2+ years and I'm not aware of a Windows 7-requiring application. Nobody is going to port an old application to Metro because 90% of users will be on XP/Vista/Win7. New applications, however....

Re:FUD in the article (2)

jo42 (227475) | about 3 years ago | (#37389982)

Every time I see "Metro", I see "Metrosexual" as in Windows Metrosexual. Oh well, off to the land of OS X - frak Messysoft.

Slow Follower (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 3 years ago | (#37389608)

Essentially, they are following what Opera, Chrome, Unity, Android, and iOS have been doing for how long? And this is big news?

Every System Needs a Touchscreen? (1)

jesseck (942036) | about 3 years ago | (#37389618)

FTFA:

Microsoft insists that the touch-oriented interface is suitable for any device, regardless of whether it has a touchscreen or not. "We envision an OS that scales from small form-factor, keyboardless tablets, all the way up to servers," said Windows president Steven Sinofsky, at a special press preview of the new operating system.

What's more, the company believes that every device should have a touchcreen. "The UI is the same UI, whether you use a mouse, keyboard or touch," said Jensen Harris, director of program management for the Windows Experience. "Every screen needs to be touch. A monitor without touch feels dead."

I, for one, don't want a server with this "Metro" interface and a touchscreen. I look forward to Windows 9, once Windows 8 is out of beta.

Re:Every System Needs a Touchscreen? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37389680)

'User Interface Designers' are clueless about what users actually want; news at eleven.

Re:Every System Needs a Touchscreen? (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about 3 years ago | (#37389892)

You've been able to get this since 2k8 Server with a server core install.

I'm not above a little Microsoft bashing but you should at least do some basic research before you start trolling about haveing to use the GUI

Re:Every System Needs a Touchscreen? (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 3 years ago | (#37389946)

This "Metro" Interface reminds me of the old IBM PS/1 machines back in the early 1990s. It had four huge buttons that you clicked on, usually you clicked the one that booted to DOS and went from there. This interface was a flop.

Will MS screw up with this UI. Iffish, and time will tell. MS has been decent with new UIs, especially Windows 95 which pretty much set the standard for what people expect on a machine. Before that, it was clicking on a program manager, NeXT dock, or having your applications in a right click menu.

Done right, it may be a good thing, however, it will require changes in people's workflows. A full screen app and UI mean that switching applications becomes a multi-step process compared to clicking on a task in the taskbar (or just hitting alt-tab) to go directly from Excel to Word, or from Firefox to a command line prompt.

Not THAT bad (1)

Toonol (1057698) | about 3 years ago | (#37389624)

My first reaction is highly negative, but digging into it further, it doesn't look that bad. It'll bring up an icon display, you click 'explorer', and you're back at the standard mouse/keyboard windows UI. So my response is tempered to just slightly negative, in that there'll be one extra step during bootup.

I'm sure it will be able to be configured to go straight into Explorer, and that's what everybody who runs 8 on a desktop will do.

Re:Not THAT bad (1)

dmacleod808 (729707) | about 3 years ago | (#37389958)

No doubt the "go to explorer button" is some sort of link that can be placed in the startup folder?

I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. (1, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | about 3 years ago | (#37389638)

Let me get this straight.

I only looked at the first link but the first thing that jumped out at me was:

The advent of Windows 8 sees Microsoft introduce a new style of application, dubbed Metro Style apps, and its own app Store. The Metro Style apps are run in full-screen mode, with no Windows taskbar or other menu items getting in the way.

"Every single pixel of your beautiful screen is for your app," said Harris. "You're just immersed in the content."

Ok, so there's two big things here. An App Store [apple.com] and a way to run applications in some sort of full-screen interface [apple.com] .

Hmm. I wonder where I've heard these ideas before.

Another $99 per year certificate (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 years ago | (#37389840)

Furthermore, from the article:

Microsoft will sell both the new Metro apps and conventional desktop software via its own App Store. Indeed, that will be the only way you can get hold of Metro Style apps.

Given what Microsoft already requires for Xbox Live Indie Games and Windows Phone 7, it'll probably be yet another $99 per year certificate for a developer to renew each year.

Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. (3, Insightful)

Cajun Hell (725246) | about 3 years ago | (#37389842)

Hmm. I wonder where I've heard these ideas before.

You heard of the app store first probably with some Linux distribution in the 1990s. You heard of full screen mode before you ever heard of any alternative, with nearly every post-dumbterm but pre-windowed platform (e.g. MS-DOS, C64, etc) since fullscreen was all they had.

And more important (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 3 years ago | (#37389866)

Why the fuck would we want that on a desktop? Part of what makes a desktop system so useful is having multiple things open that you can switch between, position around, and so on. Right now I have my browser up on top of my primary window, but my e-mail client hiding behind it. I can see when new mail comes in. On my secondary monitor is the interface for our digital security system so I can watch over the cameras. There are a few other things loaded and running, but the windows are occluded at the moment. I don't want to be "immersed" in any of this shit. The ability to have multiple things going is why I like my desktop, it's why I have 4 cores, 8GB of memory and north of 4 million pixels of total display.

I do not get this obsession with trying to make computers work like phones. No, bad idea. When I heard of what they were doing with Lion I said "What a horrible idea." Now MS is doing the same? What the fuck? How about you give me a phone interface on a phone and a computer interface on a computer?

Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 3 years ago | (#37389908)

Apple didn't come up with the idea of a centralized repository of software to choose from with a single market browser application. They just came up with the idea of charging money for it.

Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. (5, Insightful)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | about 3 years ago | (#37389924)

They are indeed mimicking Apple. And making the same mistakes, in my opinion.

"Every single pixel of your beautiful screen is for your app," said Harris. "You're just immersed in the content."

As I said [slashdot.org] when OS X Lion was released, I think this push towards full-screen apps is a move backwards. Yes, having the app fill the screen makes a lot of sense for smartphones and tablets, where screen/interface space is limited and you're typically focusing on a single task at a time. But on a desktop?

The whole point of a multi-purpose desktop computer is to be able to do a myriad of things, and more importantly to combine all the various resources/applications together in powerful ways. I want to be able to have a web-page reference document open while I code something, or copy-and-paste something from a spreadsheet into a text document. I want to be able to cross-compare multiple graphs/images/whatever at the same time. To do all this, I need to be able to tile, stack, and move windows on my screen. Endless alt-tabbing just doesn't cut it.

With desktop monitors getting bigger and bigger, fullscreen apps just don't make sense. Even maximized apps don't make sense: your mouse has to travel ridiculously far to get from content to controls if you make your app fullscreen on a 30-inch monitor. (There are of course times when you want a single app fullscreen; e.g. photo editing on a large monitor gives you a much better view of the content.) One of the main advantages of modern large monitors is the ability to have multiple apps open at once, without them blocking each other or being ridiculously constrained. Why are we throwing away these advantages?

I'm fully aware of the cognitive science research on multi-tasking (specifically, that people are bad at it and that focusing on a single task for a longer period of time has big advantages). What I'm questioning is whether any non-trivial task can really be accomplished using a single application. We should be optimizing our user interfaces to maximize the efficiency and focus on tasks and workflows: not boxing ourselves into stripped-down full-screen apps.

Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#37389988)

Probably in Windows, which has had full screen apps for the past 17 years or so, if you just start at Win95, or do you mean the Windows app store http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/ [windowsmarketplace.com] which has been around since 2003?

I love my iPhone and Mac, but neither of these two things did Apple invent, Microsoft has been doing BOTH of them before Apple even considered thinking about it.

What about .net support (0, Troll)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37389654)

I dont see any significant mention of .Net except the fact that silverlight apps wont work.

Any ideas on if .Net will work on/will be advanced in Windows 8?

Re:What about .net support (1)

afidel (530433) | about 3 years ago | (#37389832)

Not only will it work but there are a lot of new API's that aren't yet available in Metro but are available through .Net.

Re:What about .net support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389934)

All metro apps can be written in any .NET language or JavaScript and HTML5. Watch the keynote at http://www.buildwindows.com/.

Re:What about .net support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389942)

I don't know what you were listening to, but Silverlight and .NET were both mentioned in the keynote as supported. Hell, the new WinRT API is a .NET namespace. Silverlight was also mentioned, and is still supported for desktop apps (i.e. non-Metro). The difference now is that you can use C#/VB.NET/C++ and XAML to diretcly target WinRT

Re:What about .net support (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | about 3 years ago | (#37390020)

I just read through the linked articles

Is there a text transcript anywhere? Dont have enough bandwidth for watching the entire video

Performance Focus (0)

ludomancer (921940) | about 3 years ago | (#37389658)

I wish, at the very least, they'd get over "improving boot/shutdown times", and make the performance of actual use better than, say, win98.
Their memory management is the WORST, and if you're an actual PC user, with heavy applications for graphics or simulation, the last several releases from this company must have crushed your productivity like it has mine.

Reboot faster! (3, Funny)

Vrallis (33290) | about 3 years ago | (#37389660)

Just think about it... Microsoft has probably made the biggest improvement to their software in two decades... You can now reboot far faster than ever before! Just think about the time saved per week for your average Windows user!

Re:Reboot faster! (1)

afidel (530433) | about 3 years ago | (#37389916)

My Windows 7 desktop has been up for 125 days and the last reboot was because I hook up a UPS after we had two power outages in a week.

Re:Reboot faster! (1)

Dunega (901960) | about 3 years ago | (#37389956)

10 or 15 seconds?

Metro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37389666)

Seriously, who is going to want to use a GUI called 'Metro'? Or is this a ploy to attract Mac users back to Windows?

Looking good for such early code... (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | about 3 years ago | (#37389780)

If it really does work across Intel, ARM, tablet and desktop as seamlessly as the demos show, then I'm sold. I like the low memory usage on older systems and Metro will be a barrel of laughs. Downloading the public developer code when it goes live today (http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-20/microsofts-build-conference-windows-8-blowout-bldwin-012681.php)

Re:Looking good for such early code... (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 3 years ago | (#37389902)

From what I've read on that page, only HTML+CSS+Javascript apps will be compatible with both x86 and ARM.

Re:Looking good for such early code... (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37389952)

From what I've read on that page, only HTML+CSS+Javascript apps will be compatible with both x86 and ARM.

Isn't this what we used to call 'a web page'?

Windows 8 Metro (3, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 3 years ago | (#37389804)

Can we refer to Windows 8 users as Metrosexuals?

Interesting (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about 3 years ago | (#37389834)

So to make the most of the default new interface I would have to find some way of making my 32" HD monitor a touchscreen ?

Did big touch screens suddenly become cheap when I wasn't looking or is this just a way to push tech for monitor manufacturers seeing as 3d TV isn't working sales as well as they thought ?

Small question (2)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 3 years ago | (#37389886)

They say we'll be able to make "Metro" applications with HTML, CSS and Javascript. Does that mean we won't even need Windows to make Windows Apps?

I hate change... (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about 3 years ago | (#37389960)

I don't need backwards gimmicky UI concepts that look like total crap (WP7) or apple style lockin hell app stores and I have zero interest of any kind in touching my monitor. It looks gross enough as it is.

If the new UI can't be turned off and I mean turned the hell **off** then no sale.

Progress to me is defined as enabling me to get crap done. Distraction and game playing (not keeping your designers on their leashes) is not progress -- it is a waste of everyones time.

If Apple fans are hipsters... (1)

FellowConspirator (882908) | about 3 years ago | (#37389978)

... then Windows 8 fans can only be Metrosexuals.

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