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Microsoft Releases Windows 8 Developer Preview

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the it-will-confirm-all-of-your-unfounded-opinions dept.

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New submitter Tonyd0311 writes "Microsoft has just released the Windows 8 Developer Preview in both x86 and x64 formats. The download includes an SDK for Metro-style apps, and 28 example apps. It also has 'developer preview' versions of Expression Blend 5 and Visual Studio 11 Express."

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Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394704)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394840)

you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

If you are going to misquote the lyrics, at least keep it consistent... "a comrade and a cosmonaut" would fit your theme better.

Too late (3, Insightful)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394706)

If I wanted to develop smartphone apps, I would go with one of the more established platforms like iOS or Android. Windows 8 just doesn't have the market share for phones ....What, it's for desktops? They can't be serious.

Re:Too late (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394738)

NOTE, that was just a little jab at the interface. Reports are that the backend is OK so far and hopefully they will create a separate desktop GUI for it as well.

Re:Too late (1)

North Korea (2457866) | about 3 years ago | (#37394758)

It already has the normal desktop UI... You can login to either one, which is great as your programs will work for both tablets and desktops. .NET apps should work directly, and native apps are just a recompile away.

Re:Too late (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394778)

Yes, after further research i found this: http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Windows-8-GUI-Will-Be-Just-Another-App/ [hothardware.com] I hope they provide both and not drop one -or make it a $100 add-on

Re:Too late (1)

Truekaiser (724672) | about 3 years ago | (#37395298)

incorrect.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4771/microsoft-build-windows-8-pre-beta-preview/1 [anandtech.com]
the window's 7 like desktop is only there for compatibility with programs not made for the metro ui. it provides only a task bar and desktop. the old start menu is gone. launching it will result in being kicked back to the metro ui. also on the right side of the desktop will be a metro ui panel.

Re:Too late (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | about 3 years ago | (#37395330)

The problem with Microsoft's stealing ideas (and even code) from Unix and Linux is that they will eventually begin to steal even the dumb ideas, namely Ubuntu's infamous Unity/Gnome duality.

Re:Too late (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 3 years ago | (#37395024)

If I wanted to develop smartphone apps, I would go with one of the more established platforms like iOS or Android. Windows 8 just doesn't have the market share for phones ....What, it's for desktops? They can't be serious.

Well, x86 and x64 ain't phone chips, so obviously, it's for laptops, netbooks and so on. As for what phone developers would do, you're right.

Re:Too late (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37395112)

Win8 will also run on ARM; just not this preview release yet.

Re:Too late (2, Interesting)

Pengo (28814) | about 3 years ago | (#37395152)

Really?

Our small group has developed a few mobile apps, and we've done well enough on markets that don't have Apple's huge user base. Building a reasonably decent app for us have sold well when ported to Palm's market. Though now it's all but dead, the windows market will make a lot of people a lot of money before critical mass lands. Pushing prejudice aside, and not taking into consideration some groups already considerable investment in the marketing strategies and loyal customer base for the iOS platform (which is my personal favorite environment to build for), it's silly to call a company like microsoft too late to the game to make a business selling applications on.

Decent money is being made right now on the windows market place, even with a low usage base, and with the sheer mindshare they have of folks that are windows programmers not wanting to re-tool over to MacOS to write iOS apps is going to create a decent ecosystem of applications, which is what will truly drive the demand for their handsets.

I haven't sat down and wrote software personally for WinMo7, but I watched a guy on our team re-write a Android app that we have on the market in Visual studio in about 1/5 the time it took to write a similar application in XCode for Mac, and that was fumbling through C# and a new toolset. Overall to compare the development environment that Win7 programmers enjoy, you could almost call it penis envy.

Yeah, I know this is Slashdot, and I have invested MANY years into Linux/Java and more recently iOS/ObjC.. but I'm pretty shocked how nice it appears to work in Visual Studio, and more importantly how effective a decent programmer can be using the tools even with absolutely no experience working with it. If MS can get the handsets to the masses, they will I believe really give Apple a serious run for its money.

That said, automated reference counting (garbage collection) in iOS5 and the new Storyboard layout in xcode is a godsend for productivity. It's definitely going to bring ObjC to new higher levels of productivity for experienced iphone devs, and reduce the barrier to entry for new programmers wanting to pick it up and learn it. What an interesting time we live in! We're seeing the true benefit of competition reward us as engineers by giving us GREAT choices in platform development!

I would hate a world where Apple is running unchecked or being stuck with buggy android phones as the only platform of choice .. and we all know what life was like when MS was the only real game in town.

Long live competition! Let's hope all the major players do well and prosper.

Windows 8 (3, Informative)

North Korea (2457866) | about 3 years ago | (#37394710)

I tested it earlier today and I think it looks great. The boot time is insanely fast, the metro UI is better than I thought and you can still easily change to the normal Windows shell. On top of that developers can target both Windows PC and the upcoming Windows tablet markets with their apps. Overall I got a very good impression of Windows 8.

Re:Windows 8 (5, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 3 years ago | (#37394722)

Ya I trust all the news I get from North Korean sources too.

Re:Windows 8 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394892)

I trust all the news I get from North Korean sources too.

Microsoft's marketing budget isn't what it was for Win 7. Now they're having to use cheap shills from low-cost centres.

Sadly, all future W 8 astroturf will be at least as amateurish as this poorly concealed effort..

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395064)

You got modded up for this? Slashdot has become immaterial. I am sad because I used to read insightful posts. Where shall I find inquisitive and factual conversations?

Re:Windows 8 (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | about 3 years ago | (#37395244)

pornhub?

Re:Windows 8 (2)

North Korea (2457866) | about 3 years ago | (#37394836)

Ah, slashdot, where giving a honest opinion about Microsoft's product will get you modded down for troll if you say anything good about it.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394924)

I'm pretty sure representing yourself as North Korea had something to do with that moderation too.

Re:Windows 8 (0)

flimflammer (956759) | about 3 years ago | (#37394994)

So yo're suggesting people are downmodding someone as a troll for their completely irrelevant username and not the actual comment at hand? Is that somehow better?

Not that I really believe that anyway since it's not exactly rocket science to see how the general Slashdot community mods pro-Microsoft comments, believing them to only be shilling or trolling.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | about 3 years ago | (#37395290)

Well, there is posting a pro microsoft comment and there is plain shameless attention whoring. ggp isobviously the latter :-P

Joke aside I spun the preveiw up in a VM and it wouldn't install. But that might be me messing up virtualbox...

Re:Windows 8 (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#37395334)

Joke aside I spun the preveiw up in a VM and it wouldn't install. But that might be me messing up virtualbox...

You have to set the vm default setting to 'Windows 7', that could be why it's not installing.

Re:Windows 8 (1, Interesting)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 3 years ago | (#37394964)

Ah, slashdot, giving a honest opinion about Microsoft's product

Don't blame us Slashdotters.

Your own marketing team is shooting you in the back because you didn't gratuitously say "Windows" often enough. Windows.

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395094)

If you honestly believe that Microsoft even notices Slashdot, let alone hires people specifically to spam it, you're insane.

Re:Windows 8 (2)

Microlith (54737) | about 3 years ago | (#37395184)

If you honestly believe that Microsoft even notices Slashdot

Shockingly, I expect they do. However, I expect that "North Korea" is a plain old troll.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37395236)

It simply couldn't have anything to do with your past trolling history.

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394938)

Troll and Funny, eh mods? It's a shame I can't fix all your intentional abuses of mod points here.

Stay classy, slashdot.

Re:Windows 8 (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#37395156)

I tested it earlier today and I think it looks great. The boot time is insanely fast, the metro UI is better than I thought and you can still easily change to the normal Windows shell.

I found that too, the interface will take a bit of getting used to if you wanted to use metro with a mouse and keyboard but i found just jumping to the desktop view for desktop apps was fast and fluid. I'd like to try it on touch hardware.


On a side note why is parent modded troll?

Re:Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395210)

How do you change to the normal Windows shell? It's bugging me not being able to have a start bar, and losing everything on screen to some huge screen of crap.

The real question is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394712)

... Will it blend?

Re:The real question is (3, Funny)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394770)

Yes. [microsoft.com]

Re:The real question is (1)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | about 3 years ago | (#37395266)

Not only will it blend, it blends faster than any other OS on the market. Normally you push the blend button, then there's some blades spinning, and the thing breaks into big chunks, and then smaller chunks, and then a fine powder. With windows 8 you push the blend button, and it's automatically reduced to a fine powder with awesome Metro style text. Even better, we wrote an app to un-blend windows 8. It works, instantly, and it was only 4 lines of code! and it work on anything - tablets, phones, pc, toasters, oranges. Fuck linux - windows metro programs are actually running on the hairs of my forearm right now.

Whew! (5, Interesting)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 3 years ago | (#37394726)

I was starting to worry that we'd have to go a whole 12 hours before we got another Windows 8 story.

Re:Whew! (4, Insightful)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | about 3 years ago | (#37394748)

Hey at least it's not about Bitcoin. ;)

Re:Whew! (3, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | about 3 years ago | (#37394878)

Did you guys hear that Windows 8 will have a Bitcoin mining application built into it? You can also refinance your mortgage and buy Uggs boots.

Re:Whew! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395086)

Next up: Apple reacts to Microsoft building Bitcoin payment into its next Windows 8 smartphone by buying gold-payment-including Android clone by GBB (Gaga, Bieber, (Glenn) Beck). ;)

Re:Whew! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394832)

Given that there are two more days of BUILD, you'll probably see more of this.

I predict the next story will be about the windows app store [twitter.com] policies [neowin.net] .

Re:Whew! (1)

SpeZek (970136) | about 3 years ago | (#37394970)

*gasp* News for Nerds? On my Slashdot? It's more likely than you think!

Re:Whew! (0)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 years ago | (#37395092)

Yeah, I mean that massively dominant operating system coming out with a major new revision with extensive, user visible changes - pfft, who gives a crap about that!

Bring on the news about a slightly remixed Linux distribution of the week, where they changed the -O2 to -O3 and found it made .002% difference in the performance of 'ls'!!!! That's real news, by gawd!

Re:Whew! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395120)

Yeah, pretty silly bringing up a story about Windows 8 being, oh I don't know, available as a functional preview and all, since all we ever here is so much rumor. So you can download and run it, so what! No different than if someone said that someone else said they had a cousin who's brother saw a beta. Nothing to see here folks except a functional preview. Move along...

Oh wait....
 

Re:Whew! (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37395204)

Yes, can we please go back to the daily cycle of Linux, Google, piracy, and random gadget stories? Two stories about a major overhaul of the most popular desktop operating system in the world is way too much.

Time-out? (1)

black3d (1648913) | about 3 years ago | (#37394742)

Can anyone inform what the time period on this is? 128 days?

Re:Time-out? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394784)

Yes, but you must pay in Bitcoin.

Re:Time-out? (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about 3 years ago | (#37394820)

That should be cracked soon. Give the guys 5 more minutes and it should be on all the torrent sites.

Re:Time-out? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394872)

It doesn't have activation, so there's nothing to crack, really. No point torrenting it, either, since you can just download directly from MS (serviced by Akamai, I believe).

Re:Time-out? (1)

igreaterthanu (1942456) | about 3 years ago | (#37394876)

Why would anyone care? It's probably buggy and there will likely be a beta out before then that fixes most of the problems.

Re:Time-out? (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about 3 years ago | (#37395180)

Windows? Buggy?

Re:Time-out? (3, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394848)

It will expire on 3/11/2012. So 6 months, as usual for Windows pre-releases.

The question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394754)

will it run crysis?

The answer is ... (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37395100)

yes. [tinypic.com]

To be fair to MS (4, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 3 years ago | (#37394798)

They at least are showing there is more than one way to develop a touch-enabled and touch-optimised smartphone. I'm on the fence as to whether it's the correct UI for the desktop, but anything that makes life simpler for the few relatives still holding out and not going Mac is a boon to me.

Redmond definitely didn't "photocopy" this UI, and I like the look of it - fresh, well thought out, and novel. You're not taking away my iPhone just yet, though :)

Simon

Re:To be fair to MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394980)

Well, Microsoft has been doing tablet PCs since Windows 3.0 so they do have some experience...

What I want to know is when they're planning to get rid of 32-bit OS versions in the desktop and server spaces. Wouldn't it make sense to concentrate on the 64-bit OS and improve its compatibility mode if there is still legacy software that still doesn't work in it?

Re:To be fair to MS (1, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | about 3 years ago | (#37395074)

Well, Microsoft has been doing tablet PCs since Windows 3.0 so they do have some experience...

Doing it wrong for 20 years is nothing to brag about.

Re:To be fair to MS (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395240)

doesnt seem to effect apple

Win8: way better than expected (2)

RiBread (181983) | about 3 years ago | (#37394828)

So, in June the marketing guy says to me "you should go to the Microsoft dev conference this year", and mind you this is one week after I've finally cut over to Linux as my primary OS.

Well. as I sit here reading Slashdot on my free Samsung win8 tablet, I have to say I'm impressed. This thing may not be an iPad but it sure is better than the android tab I brought with me!

Re:Win8: way better than expected (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394862)

This thing may not be an iPad

Well, it's an x86 tablet with some beefy CPU inside... consequently, it weights 900 grams. So no, not exactly an iPad.

Stay tuned for when ARM stuff comes, though. ~

Re:Win8: way better than expected (1, Redundant)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | about 3 years ago | (#37394896)

Your ARM based Android tablet isn't as powerful as an Core i5 based tablet? Let me guess which one is heavier, has worse battery life.

Re:Win8: way better than expected (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394958)

What's wrong with my 2.5 year old Atom netbook? Nothing, it's my primary PC and it cost $330 (in early 09), has a 7h (honest) battery life, USB, SD, and VGA output.

Re:Win8: way better than expected (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37395014)

There's nothing wrong with a netbook if what you want is a netbook. A tablet is something a tad different.

Re:Win8: way better than expected (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 3 years ago | (#37394944)

Well. as I sit here reading Slashdot on my free Samsung win8 tablet

Not win8. They're called W-Eights, and for very good reason...

"Metro." They did this before. (2)

RyanFenton (230700) | about 3 years ago | (#37394870)

I remember back when this "Metro" was called "active desktop". Your family members would gunk up their desktops with a dozen widgets, then go hunting for more until their system was useless. On my own system, it has always been one of the first things I disable, as it serves no real purpose, and complicates the use of traditional applications in various 'interesting' ways.

Windows cannot be simply limited to an app store, so half the banner ads on popular websites will quickly become devoted towards offering persistent applications on your system - also known as spyware - now tailored to fit into a giant box in the center of your screen.

I don't need my icons to take up 1/16th of my screen - it's a rather bad use of what I'd like to be productive time. Even with various media-consumption pads and consoles, I find it a horrible design to limit my view to a random assortment of large candy boxes.

And I really, REALLY don't think this heralds any positive new era of application development. A whole new layer of specialized docking, with its own special UI process, making cross-platform work that much more of a mess... I don't mind the learning the complexity, it's just the reasons for the added workload seem to be more to feed Marketing than actually accomplish something meaningful, which always holds some existential angst.

Ryan Fenton

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394922)

Did you know that one can spell "Annoyer" with the letters of your name? I must have Scrabble on the brain.

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about 3 years ago | (#37394952)

Active Desktop was way ahead of its time. These days the active desktop system would work rather well.

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (3, Interesting)

ADRA (37398) | about 3 years ago | (#37394982)

This think of this as a good thing. All native desktop environments are going to the big harry fad of tablet computing. WHEN the fad fizzles out and people stop buying consumption devices and companies realize that they have to to start making -productivity- tools again, their desktop platforms will be dead and anyone developing interesting and usable UI systems will be doing so on the web instead.

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37395018)

Oh, the irony. Do you know what Active Desktop is called today?

KDE Plasma Desktop.

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (1)

Rizimar (1986164) | about 3 years ago | (#37395058)

I remember back when this "Metro" was called "active desktop". Your family members would gunk up their desktops with a dozen widgets, then go hunting for more until their system was useless

What I remember most about the Active Desktop is that when a program crashed, it would turn your background into an HTML page saying that Active Desktop was improperly shut off. Then you'd click a button that the error displayed to get your wallpaper back.

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395142)

Agreed 100%! I do NOT like the direction that UI developers are going these days. It used to be about making good use out of screen real-estate, multitasking, and productivity. Today it's about cramming social widgets into a shiny box to satisfy the masses who can't be bothered to click on their Facebook pages. I do not need an icon to occupy a 128x128px box. I don't need this on my desktop, I don't need this on my tablet, I don't need this on Ubuntu Unity, I don't need it on GNOME 3 either. I get along just fine with 32x32px icons and can fit many more of them on my screen at once (this is called "usability", it makes the system easier to use when you're actually doing work).

As for touch functionality, 90%+ of Windows and traditional Linux users do NOT have touchscreens. We use these (now "antiquated") devices such as desktops and laptops, which have keyboards and mice as inputs. Oversized touch icons do not make sense for keyboard and mouse input. If such a small percentage of users is using touch input, why develop such a large percentage of OS feature just to support this small market share? If it gets ported to ARM the market will increase, but despite popular belief the desktop and laptop platform is not dying. Businesses that do real work need real hardware, multiple monitors, powerful processors, and other things that aren't going to have shiny touchscreens.

I know that the final release will have the classic interface, but this developer edition seems to be stuck with just the new Start menu, which is really annoying to test on a regular desktop. I don't care that it supports new software if the new software isn't worth using without a touchscreen.

In short, I think all UI designers have fallen off the deep end. I see touch, gesture, etc. interfaces as unnecessary. They may be useful for scrolling/zooming, but eventually you're going to break down and need a real keyboard and mouse for something (ever tried typing a long document on a touch keyboard? didn't think so).

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (1)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37395212)

So don't install those apps.

Anything else I can help you with?

Re:"Metro." They did this before. (-1, Flamebait)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395250)

and when KDE junks up your desktop with a bunch of useless widget shit that chokes your machine while adding dick functionality its praised as a revolutionary development.

funny aint it

Yeah, except it wasn't (3, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 3 years ago | (#37395316)

Maybe if you got your head out of MS fanboy land for a while you would have noticed that the general opinion about KDE4, Gnome 3 and Unity is NEGATIVE on slashdot. There was no praise and now that even the old stable desktop gnome has gone there is a lot of protest.

So your idea of funny is that people who protest about useless gunk on Linux desktops also complain about useless gunk on the Windows desktop...

Don't quit your day job to do standup... oh you don't have a day job. Funny that.

Walled garden (4, Informative)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | about 3 years ago | (#37394904)

Too bad software made for Windows 8's default "Metro" interface will only be available through Microsoft's App Store [geekwire.com] . Win32 programs will still be available from other sources, but Metro apps will not.

Re:Walled garden (2)

SeaFox (739806) | about 3 years ago | (#37395102)

I count that as a feature. Let's keep all that crap together in one place so it's easy to avoid.

Re:Walled garden (1)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37395218)

This community is so out of touch. It's not 1998 anymore. It's okay to stop personally hating "M$".

Swipe in from the right (1)

hey (83763) | about 3 years ago | (#37394918)

You swipe in from the right to get a "start" menu.
How is that intuitive?

Re:Swipe in from the right (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394976)

On a tablet, you'd actually just click the physical "Home" button to do that, same as iPad. On a laptop or a desktop, you'd move the mouse to the bottom left corner of the screen, or press the "Windows" button on the keyboard.

You can do it through the swipe-from-right "charms" menu mainly because it is easier to do so when you're holding the tablet in landscape and operating it with thumbs, but it's not the sole way to do this.

Re:Swipe in from the right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37394978)

Well, it's not intuitive but innovative!
I think they should patent this, if they manage to do it before Apple of course...

I wonder how many downloads they from Linux users (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 3 years ago | (#37394920)

I wonder how many downloads they from Linux users.

Is it too much to hope for a Slashdot-effect and then mail Microsoft and ask them for the stats?

Just a thought.

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37394950)

downloading now from debian squeeze for my junk box, which is actually not a bad machine for a dumpster dive compaq

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37394988)

Trying to slashdot Akamai would be a bold attempt, but rather futile.

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395012)

I think you accidentally a word.

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395422)

Word, man

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 years ago | (#37395114)

I don't know, but I wonder how many "Tee haw, where can I download this for Linux, tee hee" comments we'll get from the neckbeards.

Re:I wonder how many downloads they from Linux use (1)

niftydude (1745144) | about 3 years ago | (#37395338)

Count me as one - I'm downloading it to my Linux box...

I've sshed in to my home server from work, and used wget to download the iso. I certainly couldn't do the same task remotely by command line using a windows system, and work would frown on me downloading a 5 gig iso using their network.
I'll run it in a vm to take a look, but I doubt there will be anything interesting enough to move me from linux :-)

Best part about the new interface, (1)

PowerCyclist (2058868) | about 3 years ago | (#37394972)

The best leverage ever for switching people over to Linux finally. "You're going to have to learn a new interface anyway, might as well learn one that will be around for more than a couple years."

Re:Best part about the new interface, (2)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37395228)

You are right; 2012 will definitely be the Year of Linux on the Desktop(tm) because Windows 8 comes with a new Start menu.

Re:Best part about the new interface, (1)

deniable (76198) | about 3 years ago | (#37395300)

It's worked so well for Open Office.

ARM binaries? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 3 years ago | (#37394998)

Shouldn't there be an ARM format for WP8, or does MS expect phone vendors to use Atoms or Nanos for their phones?

I recall reading somewhere that they wanted a 64-bit CPU, in which case, they should also port this stuff to MIPS, which unlike ARM, has a mature 64-bit architecture.

Re:ARM binaries? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37395126)

Shouldn't there be an ARM format for WP8, or does MS expect phone vendors to use Atoms or Nanos for their phones?

Win8 will run on ARM, but this particular developer preview only comes in x86 and x64 editions.
(there's no WP8, so far at least)

I recall reading somewhere that they wanted a 64-bit CPU

You will need to install the 64-bit version of this if you want to play with developer tools (SDK, Visual Studio, Expression, SDK). The OS itself does not require 64 bits.

Re:ARM binaries? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 3 years ago | (#37395140)

Does anyone still use Mips? SGI is dead and Arm processors have taken over the mobile market. Mips was promising on some phones like 5 years ago

Re:ARM binaries? (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 3 years ago | (#37395162)

MIPS is huge in many embedded fields. It dominates the wifi router space, for instance.

Re:ARM binaries? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395188)

crap routers and microcontrollers that no one uses (pic32) cause you can get an arm dev platform for 10 bucks

so yea mips is damn near death, just a few stragglers left.

Re:ARM binaries? (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 3 years ago | (#37395176)

Do you expect them to randomly have kernels for whatever ARM device you might have? All of the clunky "niceties" that we have on x86 that allow generic Linux and Windows kernels to install on pretty much any PC don't exist in the ARM world, so there's no point in posting ARM binaries unless it's in the form of a flashable image for a target device.

Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37395002)

Yeah, I boxed some bananas up with my iOs this year and had plenty of scooby queer diet pepsi.

so yeah!!!! hugs to all slaashdotterss.

Anyone have torrents (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 3 years ago | (#37395108)

The server seems quite busy

x86? (1)

juventasone (517959) | about 3 years ago | (#37395124)

You would have a hard time finding a new PC today that ships with Windows 7 32-bit (and isn't the 32-bit-only Starter edition). Why not drop it and make all our lives easier? Legacy systems can use Windows 7 or VMs.

Re:x86? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395214)

no x32 should be supported, there is no reason for many people to buy whole new machines for the promise of 64 bit software as there still is not much of it, what is the compelling reason other than memory space?

Take users like my father for instance, he has a 2005 machine but it rips XP a new asshole, it runs windows 7 great, why should he have to spend hundreds on a new machine that is not going to offer him squat, just to do the same internet / office tasks its doing now?

PS: windows 7 pro can be found in 32 bit, and honestly from a user perspective you cant tell the difference, and if your running servers you wont be concerned about whatever MS is farting out today until its 110% solid (from a MS server point of view)

X86 ... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 3 years ago | (#37395182)

REALLY?

When Win 7 should have been x64 only, they tell me Win 8 will be x86 too? Gahhhh, why won't they drop x86 already?

Re:X86 ... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395288)

why? do you really need 16 gigs of ram to run fucking firefox? (ok bad example)

it amuses me people here bitch and wine about XP, but if you actually want to upgrade your OS then you have to buy a new machine, which unless your running 1080p video games and bluray wont make a piddleshit difference.

if your going to buy a new computer every update of an os just go fucking buy apple and shut the hell up, leave us rational people alone.

Avoid 8, there's a pattern (0)

therufus (677843) | about 3 years ago | (#37395310)

I've found there is a pattern for MS operating systems:
95 = unstable
98 = excellent
ME = better left forgotten
XP = still kicking and doing ok
Vista = poorly received
7 = best yet

That's my opinion based on being in the industry and speaking with other computer techs over the past 15 years or so. So with the bad/good/bad/good/bad/good pattern, I'm staying clear of 8 and waiting for 9 ;)

Re:Avoid 8, there's a pattern (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 3 years ago | (#37395380)

that is not a pattern you dumbass, cause you forgot half of the releases

95 = fine for the time, but issues with anything but legacy hardware

95 OSR2 = much better, direct X is no longer a patch for a fuckup and usb starts to be supported

98 = crap

98 SE = excellent

ME = really I never had a problem with this OS, most people today just go ME LOLZ!!! but really if you didnt run a fucking celeron with 8 megs of ram it did ok, it was rock solid on AMD machines and I used it for years

2000 = the fucking best, but you forgot that

XP = crap, its 2K with a vomit theme and fucking stupid wizards to wipe your ass every time you click something, and when it first came out it was the cumdumpster of all hackers, yea you could send a pop up message box to anyone on the internet, took years to unfuck, SP2 is when it started to be respectable but still ran like a dead dog compared to 2k

Vista = useless garbage until they service packed it to windows 7

7 = still does not do a single fucking thing that XP and 2k didnt do, even more retard wizards, popups every time you click, but yet lets spyware install freely, force upgrade just for directX otherwise the only other thing that impressed me was the calculator, just another vista service pack but since vista sucked so bad they changed the name.

yea thats a hell of a pattern

wow, that sucked (2)

TheInternetGuy (2006682) | about 3 years ago | (#37395322)

I actually like Windows 7 a lot, but I would be using Linux all the time, except WW (Work and WIfe) dictates the use of windows. Ok, back on topic. I downloaded and tried it. But I dont see anything in there that would make me ditch W7. Not that I am all that fond of the Start Button menu, but replacing it with some crappy Flash (ehm silverlight) page is not an improvement. Don't see the new UI working all that well for phones either, perhaps it would be ok on Set Top Boxes or something.
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