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Anonymous Kills Websites, Cartels Kill Bloggers

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the comittment-and-scope dept.

Crime 627

An anonymous reader writes "While drug cartels in Mexico are disemboweling people they accuse of blogging about drug violence, Anonymous busies itself taking down Mexican government websites. With all the problems facing people in Mexico right now, including drug cartels extorting teachers for 50% of their pay and killing schoolchildren (thus shutting down the school system), Mexico's biggest oil field in terminal decline and drug cartels kidnapping busloads of people and forcing them into gladiator-style contests to the death, Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty."

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The solution is obvious: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418860)

We need to increase spending on the war on drugs, thus increasing scarcity and profit margins.

Re:The solution is obvious: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418902)

Nonsense. Obviously, we should invade Mexico! The Mexicans deserve to be free!

Re:The solution is obvious: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419188)

I support the annexing of Mexico! We get all that sweet vacation land and revenue and maybe we can gets some sensible law and order in the place.

Re:The solution is obvious: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419226)

Whaaat?! And have the cartels team up with the like-minded Republicans?!

Re:The solution is obvious: (4, Funny)

polymeris (902231) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419252)

Invade? Didn't you read TFS? Their oil production is declining!

Re:The solution is obvious: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419136)

The drug problem is actually a tax problem. The drug money is not taxable. Therefore, any effort by any government only seek a portion of this money.

Re:The solution is obvious: (1)

durrr (1316311) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419146)

No, we need to get the global broadcast rights for the gladiator events.

Re:The solution is obvious: (5, Informative)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419178)

Actually the complete opposite needs to happen. The way the government stopped the smuggling of alcohol and the related gang/mob violence during prohibition was to re-legalize alcohol. Make drugs a legal product and have the government tax the profits. It will immediately stop all this wasteful drug related violence and security expenditure.

Re:The solution is obvious: (-1)

SquirrelDeth (1972694) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419268)

Legalizing drugs will do nothing other that cause further decline of society. The solution is to shoot drug dealers start with the guys on the corner selling crack and work up till there are no drug dealers. But the US makes to much money from drugs (think courts, jails, law enforcement etc) to ever want to stop drug trafficking. Otherwise the Mexican border would be tighter than a frog's anus.

Re:The solution is obvious: (5, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419234)

Or ditch the "war on drugs" entirely... The illegal trade in drugs costs authorities billions, and fuels organised crime such as the drug cartels in mexico and other countries.

So instead, legalise drugs but put in place controls on them:

Quality controls, drugs available from reputable suppliers rather than dodgy dealers, so drugs don't end up contaminated with other even more harmful substances.
Taxes - tax drugs the same way that the currently legal tobacco and alcohol are taxed.
Monitoring - know who's taking drugs.

Government saves on law enforcement costs trying to police drugs...
Government further benefits from tax income from the sale of drugs.
Drug users benefit from cheaper supplies, which are also safer and have a legal avenue for complaint.
Drug companies can develop alternatives that provide the effects the users want, while reducing the negatives (e.g. see electronic cigarettes).
Drug users need not hide their activities, and can more easily seek help to give up.

It's an obvious solution, and the only ones who stand to lose are the criminal gangs who are currently making huge profits from illegal drugs.

Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty? (0)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418876)

Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty? Anyone's actions pale in comparison to the drug cartel's.

"Petty" has multiple meanings (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419062)

Or "petty" could have been used in the sense of "trivial", as in "petty larceny", as opposed to the sense of "narrow-minded and stingy".

Re:"Petty" has multiple meanings (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419112)

Ya, well, it wasn't. Go figure.

Re:"Petty" has multiple meanings (1)

tangelogee (1486597) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419154)

Or "petty" could have been used in the sense of "trivial", as in "petty larceny", as opposed to the sense of "narrow-minded and stingy".

Except in the case of larceny, the correct term would be "petit," not "petty"

Re:"Petty" has multiple meanings (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419344)

Still, petty crime - like pickpocketing or shoplifting, vs serious crime like exortion or murder...?

"Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418886)

Well, so do the US Government's.

Re:"Anonymous' actions appear particularly petty." (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419202)

Why the fuck do a bunch of script kiddies have to mentioned on every topic involving the internet?

Do you realize what this means? (3, Funny)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418904)

Deaths from blogging accidents are about to go way up.

Re:Do you realize what this means? (3, Funny)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418930)

Don't worry there is probably a medical insurance code for that now.

Re:Do you realize what this means? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419110)

That would be: Y93C1 - Activity, computer keyboarding [wsj.com]

Also, posted anonymously for obvious reasons.

Re:Do you realize what this means? (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419114)

That's good. Last time I was killed in a blogging accident by my flaming water skis, the triage nurse took ages to figure out how to code it.

Re:Do you realize what this means? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418980)

Apparently XKCD has already accounted for this:

http://xkcd.com/369/ [xkcd.com]

Posted anonymously for obvious reasons.

Re:Do you realize what this means? (2)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419130)

McBainThatsTheJoke.jpg

Re:Do you realize what this means? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419132)

Hmm, I already thought Borderlands was pretty lame, but the goings-on in our real borderlands make the game seem downright tame.

Victory! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418906)

The war on drugs is going just great. The good guys are winning! And some idiots said there would be social repercussions.

Go USA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418910)

Thanks for giving sadistic drug cartels power, DEA and DHS.

I agree (0, Troll)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418922)

Mexico needs some ruthless right-wing pro-government paramilitaries like in some other Latin American countries in the past. Most realistically, now only a brutal dictator can save Mexico from this malaise.

It should be cartel members hanging from the bridges, not the other way around.

Liberals, when will you learn?

Re:I agree (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418970)

mmm do you mean like Colombia the "narcostate"?

paramilitaries make big troubles only

Re:I agree (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418976)

Never heard of Desaparecidos, I take it? Your precious right-wing paramilitaries are a LARGE part of why Central America is having such problems with violence today.

Re:I agree (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418978)

... bridges hanging from the cartel members?

Re:I agree (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419228)

It'd certainly stop them dead in their tracks, I suppose...

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418984)

Exactly! And like FP said, we need to spend more money on The War on Drugs so that we can make being a drug cartel more profitable, thus removing all of the incentive.

Or wait... We.... We legalize drugs in the USA, thus removing the market, which will cause the drug cartels to be less than viable; forcing them to cartel an entirely different product.

Re:I agree (1)

Eglembor (598622) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418992)

I see this happening as soon as the republicans are in the White House, its not like it hasn't happened before.

Re:I agree (2, Insightful)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419058)

Your republicans are no different from democrats, just slightly different demographics they are pandering to.

Re:I agree (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419214)

What would your republicans have anything to do with the situation in mexico? Are they going to legalize dRugs?

If the US wasn't so addicted to drugs it wouldn't be profitable for poor countries to be in the drug trade.

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419030)

Most realistically, now only a brutal dictator can save Mexico from this malaise.

I would prefer Zorro.

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419180)

Hmm.. relatively rich bored person doing pretty harmless pranks to irretate the those with real power.
Zorro pretty much is Anonymous but instead of being a dork he is cool.

Re:I agree (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419224)

Zorro would only save california.

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419066)

wow...they're invading slashdot now?

Re:I agree (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419074)

"ruthless right-wing pro-government paramilitaries": from where do you think the mafia cartels came??

Re:I agree (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419120)

right, because the brutal dictator would be fighting the drug trade, rather than profiting from it

after all, when someone is completely ruthless, he's only completely ruthless in certain ways, and 100% virtuous in others, right?

kind of like how people on the right scream "YEAH!" when asked if they would just let the poor die without health insurance... but of course, the same people say they would give generously to charity. oh, of course

it's a nice cheat in your wish-fulfillment "philosophy" to imagine that brutality is a selective virtue. brutal is brutal: stupid and mean

Re:I agree (2)

Maow (620678) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419164)

Liberals, when will you learn?

Liberals had already learned ... round the time the War On Drugs began... i.e. a long fucking time ago, that War On Drugs wasn't good.

What kinda retarded shit is it to blame Libruls for Mexico's problems?

While, even as a liberal, I find your solution somewhat appealing, being a liberal I can think it through more than one step, and therefore realize that a ruthless right-wing (why RIGHT wing, fascist sympathiser, are you?) death squad might JUST lead to other problems.

I wouldn't even reply to this except it has a +3 already.

As for REAL solutions to Mexico's problems, it's beyond me. You too, apparently.

Maybe LEFT-wing death squads killing anyone looking ... wrong. Or rich. Yeah, that'll fix everything. /sarcasm

Re:I agree (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419328)

It would be "easy" to fix Mexico's problems, but it would be unprofitable for entrenched interests.

First, terminate NAFTA, which was designed to do harm.

Second, terminate the War On Drugs, which has done nothing but make a lot of crooks a lot of money. And by that I mean first Big Pharma; and second Politicians and proto-politicians, paramilitarists, and other hangers-on; and finally, the Drug Lords, who would be relegated to the status of any other farm manager.

Third, crack down on businesses hiring illegal immigrants, decreasing the value of leaving the country and applying more pressure inside of Mexico by the people who need jobs.

It is not actually necessary to go forth and kill anyone, though any solution to this problem will lead to at least some deaths. But basically, withdrawing our scaly, clawed hand from Mexico's ball sack would permit these problems to be solved.

Clearly, the problem is not liberals, but populists. Unfortunately, that's both Republiscams and Democraps.

Re:I agree (4, Interesting)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419182)

You obviously know nothing about mexico, so why do you even bother spouting your stupidities?

What would really help is if the US cleaned up it's drug addictions then there would be zero market. Or if the US didn't force their war on drugs onto other countries then the cartels wouldn't be fighting violence with violence so much.

BTW, IAM

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419218)

"Mexico needs some ruthless right-wing pro-government paramilitaries like in some other Latin American countries in the past."

To kill union leaders and human rights activists you mean?
US-friendly Latin American countries still have that. See Bolivia and Mexico (Oaxaca).

Re:I agree (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419288)

FYI: "Los Zetas", among the more competent and sociopathic of the current players, are drawn heavily from the ranks of the Mexican(and to a lesser extent other Latin American) special forces groups. Even some School of the Americas(sorry, "Institute for Intra-Hemispheric Cooperation") alumni.

Other than some pretty tepid Shining Path activity in Peru, left-wing militancy in Latin America just isn't that lively anymore. It's a mixture of apolitical profiteers and former rightwing state jackboots who realized that the money in the private sector is substantially better...

Mexico is learning from the best... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418924)

There is a rapidly growing Middle Eastern population in Mexico. We're about to have "other side of the world" problems at our doorstep. We'd be a lot better off if all that nation building money had gone to Mexico.

Re:Mexico is learning from the best... (1)

BlackTriangle (581416) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418942)

Nation building money should be given to Canada too. We have loads of 'Middle Eastern' Christians coming over... you do mean the Christians, right? Anyways, give us loads of money for nothing! And Mexico too! You're damn close to bankruptcy already, time for your failed nation to TIP OVER THE EDGE!!

Re:Mexico is learning from the best... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419078)

Dude... decaf.

These people need a good role model... (0)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418926)

... like Michael Vick.

Legalise drug trade (5, Informative)

ttong (2459466) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418932)

Legal trade causes far less trouble, clearly the best way forward is to legalise the trade and use the extra tax income to police and jail those who still engage in crime.

Re:Legalise drug trade (4, Insightful)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419070)

You do realize this is all due to the new form of prohibition right? You can legalize everything all you want in Mexico but the market being Supplied is to the north. Until it's legal on both sides of the border, violence will be an issue.

"New" (0)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419198)

Cocaine and heroine were outlawed before the prohibition on alcohol...

Re:Legalise drug trade (4, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419254)

I think that's his point...

This country doesn't seem to have learned from its mistakes with Prohibition, which created some of the most violent gangs and cartels in this country's history, at least the most violent until the New Prohibition (aka War on Drugs).

Re:Legalise drug trade (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419088)

Nope....

Take a look at prescription drugs... they are perfectly legal to carry, yet they kill more people than hardcore drugs, such as heroin, coke, and meth do combined, and I am also including deaths by drug deals, not by drug use alone....

Re:Legalise drug trade (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419126)

Take a look at prescription drugs... they are perfectly legal to carry, yet they kill more people than hardcore drugs, such as heroin, coke, and meth do combined, and I am also including deaths by drug deals, not by drug use alone....

Most of that is actually manslaughter by doctor, i.e. insufficient diligence on the part of the physician when prescribing. It's not really death by drug because abuse of prescription drugs is the smallest cause of death by them.

Re:Legalise drug trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419270)

That's not valid. Check death rates PER USER please, not total death rates.

Re:Legalise drug trade (2)

qortra (591818) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419316)

I completely agree, but the real magic is that Mexico wouldn't have to dump more money into their policing if they legalize. Legal drug trade wouldn't generate any more violence than legal bubble gum trade. The people who are currently hanging bloggers up on bridges would simply starve to death alone after legalization. None of their skills adequately prepare them to conduct profitable legal business, and all of their connections and power are derived from their massive income. It's so ridiculous that these drugs are illegal in both the US and Mexico, and I can't figure out why first world countries have consistently failed to change their policy in their regard. In fact, I've always vaguely suspected that the drug cartels themselves are stuffing the ballots in favor of continued anti-drug legislation and politicians who support such legislation.

Re:Legalise drug trade (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419318)

Legal trade causes far less trouble, clearly the best way forward is to legalise the trade and use the extra tax income to police and jail those who still engage in crime.

What are you, some kind of neo-crypto-liberal-homo-socialist or something?! Naw, us real Americans prefer our drugs the old-fashioned way, illegal and funding criminal enterprise.

Petty? O_o (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418934)

You're talking about a world-wide network of script kiddies vs an organized cadre of bloodthirsty monsters. What in the world do you expect them to do?

Re:Petty? O_o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419006)

script kiddies

I love how you morons still fall for that whole thing.
How retarded are you to think that average morons from random imageboards are the ones behind all these actual high-profile attacks?
Those people are simple drones that get recruited in to attacking by people who actually know their shit.

Seriously, get with the times already, Anonymous aren't a group of script kiddies. They recruit script kiddies to do their bidding.

Re:Petty? O_o (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419300)

This successes this group claim have relied on sloppy system admin and equally sloppy security patching. Their SQL injection attacks, which are old news, are mostly caused by lazy developers. These guys use tools built by others and exploit weaknesses that have been public for a while. The initial Sony hack exploited an Apache flaw that had been patched for more than a year. These guys are not script kiddies but they are not far from it. O-day exploits, self modifying bot-nets, and attacks like Stuxnext are on a whole different level.

Re:Petty? O_o (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419304)

They have leaders too.

There is some anarchy amongst the mindless minions due to the whole "Anonymous has no leaders" bullshit but most of their ddos attacks are coordinated by a core group. I don't think their command structure is as well organised as conventional organised crime but there are certainly people pulling the strings.

Re:Petty? O_o (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419010)

I think the point is that taking down the government web sites serve no purpose and might even be beneficial to the drug cartels, it just doesn't make any real sense to me.

Re:Petty? O_o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419170)

But government and drug cartels are in bed with each other. Yeah, the government has to be opposed to them publicly, but in reality you'll find government is involved in the drug trade.

Re:Petty? O_o (1)

discord5 (798235) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419100)

What in the world do you expect them to do?

Wear a Guy Fawkes mask and take down the cartels ninja-style.

I can smell the plot for the next hollywood blockbuster already. All it needs is some kickass explosions, and women.

Ha. is it. (2, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418946)

has the moron who has submitted this, asked himself, how the hell drug cartels become able to do those things that you dont even see in civil wars ? do you think it could be possible without assistance from within government ? note that government in mexico is extremely corrupt.

and what relevance does anonymous's actions have to this ? this seems like moronic bashing just because you want to bash.

quality of accepted submissions have been declining lately.

Re:Ha. is it. (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419276)

Actually, the cartels are upping their actions precisely because the government isn't playing ball with them. All of this increased violence is in direct reaction to the new US style War On Drugs.

They get creative... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37418948)

Wow, the criminals get more and more creative these days, I hope that "the good guys" will catch up and do not let them torture the people! [handymoves.co.uk]

Hey Speeedy, you want to go chase the pussy cat ? (1)

axonis (640949) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418966)

Common wheres Taco bell going to get its ingredients from ? .... talking of mexican try hard cartels with no substance .... I though food was a drug these days ? .... anonymous to what ?

Re:Hey Speeedy, you want to go chase the pussy cat (1)

Scutter (18425) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419046)

Common wheres Taco bell going to get its ingredients from ? .... talking of mexican try hard cartels with no substance .... I though food was a drug these days ? .... anonymous to what ?

LOL WUT

Recall... (3, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | more than 3 years ago | (#37418994)

I remember when the online community castigated Yahoo for cooperating with the Chinese, a couple of years ago. People talked about it like it was a choice between giving the Chinese the information they wanted, or not giving it to them; nobody considered that the Chinese could get the information by threatening the Chinese employees of Yahoo who had access to the information, or by alternate (and even less friendly) methods. What nobody seemed to realize is that when you're dealing with certain kinds of things (like criminal organizations and repressive governments), things don't stay in online. There are kinetic repurcussions to actions, and if the 'bad people' are more comfortable in the real world than the online one, they're going to show up on your doorstep, not in your inbox.

Re:Recall... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419064)

What are "kinetic repurcussions"? Being pushed down a snow-covered hill and picking up speed?

Just asking ... never heard that expression before.

Population controlll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419008)

Mexico's form of population controll in the works... 30k people in two years is a lot...

RIAA In Massive Cocaine Trafficking ring (3, Informative)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419036)

RIAA Label Used In Massive Cocaine Trafficking Ring

http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-label-used-in-massive-cocaine-trafficking-ring-110916/ [torrentfreak.com]

Earlier this year record label boss Jimmy Rosemond was arrested on the suspicion of leading a massive cocaine trafficking ring.

The founder of Czar Entertainment used shipments of music equipment to transfer cocaine across the United States.

These shipments went to several music studios, and according to a recent court filing uncovered by The Smoking Gun, Interscope Records is one of them.

This suggests that people at the RIAA label were in on the game.

Previously entertainment industry representatives have suggested that piracy can be linked to organized crime, and the above suggests that the same can be said for the music industry.

How many people in the music industry were part of the drug ring remains unknown at this point, but we would advise the RIAA to carefully investigate its members to avoid the practices from escalating.

Eh. It's a little outside of my monkeysphere. (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419038)

"More stories about the latest X Factor series and how BigMacs make you fat, thanks. This is a little too depressing for me." says the rest of the world.

Crazy stuff, but crappy links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419072)

That link about school children has an image with a bunch of kids with Indian flags. In a story about Mexican children. I'm thinking these "examiner.com" people are idiots.

Anonymous = in it for the lulz (4, Insightful)

the_raptor (652941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419076)

Of course those actions appear petty. Petty is 99% of what Anonymous gets its kicks from. From abusing 12 year old girls (even if they kind of asked for it) to posting insulting comments about physically disabled people. The stuff like Project Chanology (the attacks on Scientology) was an aberration and really involved more non-Chan New Friends then it did Chan Old Friends, even though it started on the Chans. Anonymous originally got media attention for Habo Hotel/Second Life raids and harassing people on MySpace/Facebook.

Anonymous isn't your friend. Anonymous aren't moral crusaders. Anonymous are in it for the lulz.

Re:Anonymous = in it for the lulz (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419230)

Wasn't their slogan once. "None of us are as cruel as all of us."?

what i think the USA should do is (3)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419082)

pull all the troops out of afghanistan and iraq and send them in to mexico to hunt down and kill these drug smuggler cartels before this sort thing becomes common in the USA

Re:what i think the USA should do is (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419096)

How about actually capturing and prosecuting drug dealers in the US instead of simply using them to perpetuate the billions of dollars spent on the War on Drugs?

See, this is the new USA model of warfare - perpetuate violence to keep the money flowing. There are too many people making too much money in the War on Drugs for the US Government to ever really want to win it - just like Iraq, and just like Afghanistan. The objective of the wars is not to win. It is to prop up various large political donors' industries.

Re:what i think the USA should do is (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419172)

How about screw arrest... snipers just make their heads explode at 2000 yards.

Re:what i think the USA should do is (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419150)

This is a troll, right? Nobody is this dumb, are they? Just in case, those Mexican cartels only even exist because of the War On [some] Drugs here in the USA.

Or... (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419236)

Or we could stop militarizing law enforcement, and try a new, less violent approach to drug policy (like, say, legalization).

Re:what i think the USA should do is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419246)

You're right, that would improve our world image. When they build armored tanks for illegal activity, they're asking for a military response. Mexico is too close to home to be thrown into chaos.

Re:what i think the USA should do is (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419330)

Do you people not understand that as long as the US has a billion dollar market for drugs that there will ALWAYS be a supplier? You're talking about a poor country with high unemploment where minimum wage is about $4/day.

The problem here is not poor starving people willing to do anything to survive, it's rich americans needing to get their drug fix.

What do you think about Arizona laws now? (-1, Troll)

spooky_d (522225) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419098)

Now really. You guys that were complaining about Arizona laws being too harsh and unjust. Where are you?

Re:What do you think about Arizona laws now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419296)

"Too harsh and unjust"?

LOL. There's a reason why the white class shut the fuck up over those laws after the hot white woman got busted for being a russian spy: it meant that they could be fingered as an illegal at any time too and had to be ready to prove their citizenship every second of the day in case a cop decided they looked illegal.

Now that everyone's forgotten the hot russian spy, the white class is back with the "everyone who looks illegal should have to carry their papers".

unlikely burgeoning heros; gore & ventura? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419104)

their claim to fame; seeking & telling the truth. right or wrong, they fail to lie about anything.

does it get any whackier? yes it does, even today on finding ourselves friday.

lonesome al's still touting conservation (which now includes avoiding; starving, drowning, burning up etc....); http://climaterealityproject.org/video/hour-24-new-york/

jesse: he's everywhere exposing uncle sam's fatal (to us) illnesses, which include neogod-like greed fear & egos, & fake religious mandates (buybull passages).

the hymenology council advises that there's more flappage contentions, causing the need for the neogods to attempt to re-write fake history, & science, yet again. the whore of babylon remains under the care of the council's counsel, as do the papers of challenge she carries.

can anyone guess the carbon footprint of just 8 simultaneous wars? you'd have to, because the mess we make is never included in the holycosters assessments of the glorious victories (for who?) always just within our grasp. see you on the other side of it?

disarm. read the teepeeleaks etchings, or watch the movie (unrepentant). be more careful of/for one another. for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way....

always look for the real motives of the presenter, whomever it may be..... thanks again.

The Drug Cartels ARE Anonymous (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419122)

Anonymous is anyone; after all, they're anonymous. The drug cartels don't like the Mexican government. Since anyone can claim to be part of Anonymous, what better way to shift the blame AND send a message at the same time?

Anonymous takes the easy out, every single time. (2)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419134)

They aren't interested in a fight, they want head lines.

If they had balls they would shut down every cartel in the world, but you know, that would require a gut check they can never meet.

It is one thing to go after groups who have the power to jail you but another to go after groups that WILL kill you.

Wrong target Anonymous (cowards) (2)

JavaBear (9872) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419152)

IF "Anonymous" want to regain even the tiniest sliver of support, they'll try to stop the hack and release of petty information such as celebrity cell phones, and start taking down the EVIL guys, such as the drug cartels.

Re:Wrong target Anonymous (cowards) (1)

rednip (186217) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419294)

...start taking down the EVIL guys, such as the drug cartels.

How exactly? I really doubt if a DOS would do it, or do you expect these 'super hackers' to go rambo?

Re:Wrong target Anonymous (cowards) (0)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419332)

Actually.... they are attacking the EVIL guys. The ones who perpetuated the drug war, the ones who created the cartels by creating the most lucrative black market in the history of mankind. Then, after adopting this evil policy, which I have to call evil since it means threatening people with violence and jail time who are not violent and commit no offense that has any victim, the 'perp' ina drug case is the victim of the law.

Then, to top it off, after creating these beasts, they started a war against them. The Mexican government fired the first salvos in this conflict, now they reap what they have sown for decades.

Anonymous is attacking EVIL here....once again. The EVIL that created the whole situation in the first place, the Mexican Government & US Government, without whose cooperation, the Cartels would never have existed. Good work evil doers.

Re:Wrong target Anonymous (cowards) (1)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419342)

They dont want support. They want lulz. This is achieved by finding easy targets, not from selecting targets based on an ulterior motive (except those cases of orchestrated DDOS against certain websites).

Why are we.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419158)

Fighting a war in a country that is no where near us... while Mexico has so many problems that rolling in the tanks and bombing the hell out of cartel compounds would be a far better thing to do?

Honestly, why don't we clean up our own back yard before trying to make everyone else clean theirs up first? Is the United states armed forces that afraid of the drug cartels?

Priorities, people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37419200)

I somehow think that if the Mexicans weren't so OTT nationalistic, then certain options are on the table.

There are certain similarities between ultra-violent, cultureless narcos, and ultra-violent, cultureless Islamists. And the two problems probably have similar solutions, namely, reducing their life expectancy by drone attacks. If a few hundred truckloads of narcos get blown away by silent, invisible drones, then that surely must have some kind of impact on their current sense of invulnerability.

or just hire the US DoD... (1)

Kildjean (871084) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419204)

I think Mobama should send them a couple of pissed off Marines there for a little R&R (tequila, women and fire), or just hire a merc wing from the US DOD and do a cleanup... Mexico shouldnt be that difficult to overtake... a couple of M1A1 HA Abrams Main Battle Tank should do the trick... Mexico Urban layout is like afghanistan ultra light...

Daily Mail alert! (4, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419208)

and drug cartels kidnapping busloads of people and forcing them into gladiator-style contests to the death

Links to The Daily Mail, which is nearly as bad as a Goatse link.

Could someone report this to Google in a forum? (0)

renoX (11677) | more than 3 years ago | (#37419308)

I remember that Google want you to use your "real name" on Internet, sure it may help them earn more money but as one can see here it's not always a good idea!

It would be a good idea to shame them about their dumb policy during public manifestations..

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