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Startup Flees To Seattle Amid Amazon's Tax Fight

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the game-theory-of-taxes dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "SF-based comparison shopping startup Shopobot was caught in the fight between Amazon, big-box retailers, and politicians over collecting of sales tax for online purchases. So what did the entreprenurs do? Flee to Seattle, right next to Amazon HQ, where marketing affiliates have a chance — because Amazon already collects sales tax in WA." And if you must flee, Seattle's a nice destination.

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And in the event.. (2)

intellitech (1912116) | about 3 years ago | (#37425242)

And in the event of civil uprising in the states, Canada is only 2 hours away.

Re:And in the event.. (0)

isorox (205688) | about 3 years ago | (#37425408)

And in the event of civil uprising in the states, Canada is only 2 hours away.

Do people really think that an event that spreads from San Diego to Boston, Portland to Oregon, will stop at an imaginary line north of Seattle, and resume east of Fairbanks?

Re:And in the event.. (1)

flaming error (1041742) | about 3 years ago | (#37425462)

Sure. A hypothetical popular uprising against the US Gov't wouldn't necessarily spread to Canada any more than an uprising in Syria must spread to Turkey.

Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | about 3 years ago | (#37425550)

Oh, I don't know about that. I'm sure that a lot of Canadians would like to overthrow the US government...

Re:Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (2, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | about 3 years ago | (#37425642)

    You know, a few years ago I would have argued with you about that. Then I spent some time up there.

    There are plenty of people up there who have problems with our foreign policy, trade agreements (NAFTA is only when it works for the US). Some were a bit confused, and interested, to see that not all Americans fit the "dumb American" stereotype. The US gov't doesn't always play nice with the Canadian government, but you won't hear about that on our side of the fence. Very rarely will you see the whole picture of how others feel about America, until you've lived among them for a while.

Re:Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (1)

gilbert644 (1515625) | about 3 years ago | (#37426394)

So the Canadians you meet thought that all Americans fit the "dumb American" stereotype? So you went there and meet a bunch of assholes?

Re:Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (1)

tqk (413719) | about 3 years ago | (#37426510)

So the Canadians you meet thought that all Americans fit the "dumb American" stereotype?

A lot of the latter do fit the "dumb American" stereotype. Look at the US Congress for proof.

Re:Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (1)

Hylandr (813770) | about 3 years ago | (#37425654)

And everyone's going to sing: "Blame Canada!".

Re:Rise and overthrow the opressive overlords, eh? (1)

tqk (413719) | about 3 years ago | (#37426464)

I'm sure that a lot of Canadians would like to overthrow the US government...

Perhaps. I'd prefer it if they'd just fix their gov't.

When Canada was formed, we were looking across the border seeing mobocracy (the US' Civil War) in action, and it doesn't seem that much has improved South of here since. Yeah, WWII was a terrific high point for the US (thanks!) and the Civil Rights Movement was great, but damn(!), is the US legal system, health care system, economic (Wall St.) system, ... broken! Their politicians are total sell-outs to special interests, the MAFIAA/Entertainment Industry (WTF?!?) appears to be in complete control, and JWST/NASA is begging for funds while the military gets damned near anything it wants via black budgets (don't get me wrong; thanks for potting that A-Hole bin Laden, and I love Seal Team 6, but geez, so much other really bad !@#$ is going on, it's ridiculous).

Why so little of all that bad !@#$ has any chance of getting cleaned up in my lifetime is what confuses me about the US. Does the US only do the Right Stuff when a Pearl Harbour happens or the Soviets might get there first? Seems so from here. The BS from their elected representatives they put up with is nonsensical.

The US's not much looking these days like the country their founding fathers envisioned it should be.

Re:And in the event.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425438)

Don't forget Canada is friendly to the US.

So much so that they passed a law that retroactively allows the USA to draft any eligible male who might have moved to Canada up to 10 years prior.

You hear that? That means when shit starts hitting the fan and you decide to leave, until 10 years pass by they can still force Canada to return you for active draft.

Re:And in the event.. (0)

billcopc (196330) | about 3 years ago | (#37425498)

I wasn't aware of this law, but I'm guessing it's my favorite assclown Stephen Harper who signed it ? That man had a giant boner for Dubya.

Re:And in the event.. (1)

godel_56 (1287256) | about 3 years ago | (#37426278)

Don't forget Canada is friendly to the US.

So much so that they passed a law that retroactively allows the USA to draft any eligible male who might have moved to Canada up to 10 years prior.

You hear that? That means when shit starts hitting the fan and you decide to leave, until 10 years pass by they can still force Canada to return you for active draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization

Australia is in the same position. As much American backside as our government can kiss.

Re:And in the event.. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37426504)

So much so that they passed a law that retroactively allows the USA to draft any eligible male who might have moved to Canada up to 10 years prior.

Google doesn't find anything, so - link, please?

Re:And in the event.. (1)

Alien Being (18488) | about 3 years ago | (#37426228)

And in that event, Canada would have to consider itself a casualty of a continental war fought between two halves of a superpower nation. That would be very sad.

I hope that we in the U.S. can settle things more locally by destroying the bastards who have taken control of our fine nation. We all know who they are. *

* Contentious. IMO it's the two major political parties, the scumbags on Wall Street and the clowns in Hollywood.

Why Not Oregon? (2)

OS24Ever (245667) | about 3 years ago | (#37425316)

They don't have a sales tax there, won't ever have to deal with it there.

Re:Why Not Oregon? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425414)

They don't have a sales tax there, won't ever have to deal with it there.

Because it's Oregon.

Re:Why Not Oregon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425464)

Which works fine for Intel, Nike HQ, and Linus Torvalds among many others. Portland is absolutely fantastic for this. Seattle and SF are on two extremes. Portland is just the right mix of those two, without quite the douchiness (despite what the TV show Portlandia might try to portray).

http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2011/07/big-name_tech_companies_resume_migration_into_the.html

Re:Why Not Oregon? (4, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 3 years ago | (#37425590)

Seattle and SF are on two extremes. Portland is just the right mix of those two, without quite the douchiness (despite what the TV show Portlandia might try to portray).

I would say that as far as douchiness is concerned, it is highest in SF, next highest in Portland, then least in Seattle. I'm not sure what happens when you cross the border and get into Vancouver, BC, as I think their douchiness is measured in metric, and I don't know how to convert that. Google was of absolutely no help there. :(

Re:Why Not Oregon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425790)

In my experience, SF is busy being all about SF and making sure everyone else is all about SF. Seattle is all about Settle and making sure everyone else is all about Seattle. SF has the moderate weather, the progressive population and atmosphere, the high tech environment, and the major quirkiness of the other two, but doesn't really give a fuck if anyone is about Portland or not.

I enjoy all three - but will take PDX over the others any time I'm given the chance. Plus, the most strip clubs, coffee houses, used book stores, and bars per capita of anywhere in the nation. So . .. you know . . . hurrah.

Washington doesn't have a corporate income tax (1)

Solandri (704621) | about 3 years ago | (#37425570)

Just a business and occupation tax which varies by industry. In most cases it's about 1% of revenue, which is pretty business-friendly.

Oregon has a two-tiered corporate income tax, which tops out at 7.9% of profit over $250k. Web-based services usually have low expenses, so there's not much difference between revenue and profit, making Washington the clear winner.

Re:Washington doesn't have a corporate income tax (2)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about 3 years ago | (#37426206)

Oregon has a two-tiered corporate income tax, which tops out at 7.9% of profit over $250k. Web-based services usually have low expenses, so there's not much difference between revenue and profit, making Washington the clear winner.

Hmmm... Not quite. Having run a business in WA, you do pay an effectively hefty B&O tax (it's now at 1.5% for service industries, like resellers). And it's on GROSS receipts - not operating revenue. So every dollar of product or service you sell is hit with this rate - not just your gross profit or operating revenue. Buy a widget for $80 and sell it for $120? You pay 1.5% tax on the $120 - not the $40 of your gross margin. And there are NO deductions for profitability - you can lose money on the deal but you still have to pay the full B&O tax on the gross receipts.

All in all, a B&O tax is about the most unfair version of tax you can get as its strictly on gross receipts/dollars in, with no adjustments offered for expenses or even cost of goods sold. Just straight receipts times your rate and pay up.

Re:Washington doesn't have a corporate income tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426456)

As a small bus owner.. couldn't agree more. Fool.com says the avg profit margin is 8.3%.. So a 1% b&o is equivalent to a 12% income tax rate. 1.5% is equivalent to a 18% income tax(!)
http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2006/03/01/the-profit-margin-paradigm.aspx

Re:Why Not Oregon? (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 3 years ago | (#37426130)

Yeah I'm really confused by this news. Just so I'm clear... companies are fleeing California (because it has a sales Tax) to go to Washington which has a sales Tax!?

Re:Why Not Oregon? (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 years ago | (#37426544)

You can't pump your own gas in Oregon.

What day is today? (2)

Spiridios (2406474) | about 3 years ago | (#37425342)

Oh yeah, today's Stay Away from Seattle Day [komonews.com] . I think /. is trying to subvert this most wondrous of holidays!

I've been to Seattle (1, Informative)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37425372)

I've been to Seattle.

The sun hasn't.

I wouldn't flee there except that I then proceed to another destination.

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 3 years ago | (#37425424)

I was going to say the same thing. In their defense, though, San Francisco isn't a mecca of sunshine either. Lots of grey days, even when the rest of the Bay Area is basking in sunshine.

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 3 years ago | (#37425674)

SF may not be a mecca of *warmth* (in the summer - in winter it's warmer than most or the rest of the Bay Area), but it still WAY in the top percentage of US cities as far as sunny days goes. Not only blows away Seattle by 2x, it beats most major cities outside of CA and AZ...

http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/weatherfacts/numbersunny_city_desc.php [worldfactsandfigures.com]

Caveat - this does not apply if you live in the Sunset, in that case the rest of SF pities you :)

Re:I've been to Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426088)

Who cares about the weather when I'm too busy receiving all these fabulous blow jobs? Delish!

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

digitig (1056110) | about 3 years ago | (#37426360)

What's sunshine got to do with it? As far as I can see, these are SF geeks. What would they be doing outside?

Re:I've been to Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425470)

Maybe they're vampires, you insensitive clod!

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#37426102)

Must be.

If they were werewolves I'd have seen them at the meetings.

Re:I've been to Seattle (2)

wilgibson (933961) | about 3 years ago | (#37425612)

Obviously you weren't in Seattle for the months of June, July, August, and September. All we've had are gorgeous sunny days with temperatures between 60 and 85F. Four months of amazing whether and eight months of drizzle and chill is definitely more favorable than the five months of 90F+, 100% humidity BS I moved out of when I left the south.

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

badbart (929284) | about 3 years ago | (#37425740)

The first rule of Seattle Club is: you don't talk about July and August.
The second rule of Seattle Club is: YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT JULY AND AUGUST!
(An exception to rules 1 and 2 is being made for 2011).

Re:I've been to Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426166)

60-85?! Fuck that. I'll stay where it's always 70 and sunny!

Re:I've been to Seattle (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about 3 years ago | (#37426214)

Huh? Not this year! Summer didn't arrive until August! June and July sucked bad - and I'm a native, having lived in Seattle for most of every one of my 43 years... We had a good August, and it stretched until September 10th - and then promptly petered out with the 62 and gray skies thing since then...

Re:I've been to Seattle (1, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 3 years ago | (#37425714)

What about Texas? Come for the drought and wildfires, stay for the Tea Party madness.

Uh Huh (2)

Greyfox (87712) | about 3 years ago | (#37426314)

You know, people say that and every time I've been to Seattle it's been 70 and sunny. I think the crappy weather is just rumors spread by residents who don't want anyone else moving there!

Plus the sushi there is fantastic.

Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'way! (4, Funny)

smoothnorman (1670542) | about 3 years ago | (#37425374)

No no no... stay away from Seattle. nothing to see here. it rains all the time!. this is not the city you seek. you want...Portland, yeah! Portland is much more friendly and bike-centric and mellow. Seattlites are all hyper-liberal coffee-drinking zombies... save yourself! stay away! ....aaaaieeeee..... [end of transmission]

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425454)

You exaggerate, Sir. Seattle has a summer. This year it was last weekend.

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | about 3 years ago | (#37425690)

I've been there several times, and I think you may be exaggerating the length of the summer. Well, unless this was a particularly hot year. :)

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#37425514)

IF you like good beer and coffee, then yeah, come to portland. We will treat you and your business well.

Seattle is where old douche bags go to die.

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425608)

IF you like good beer and coffee, then yeah, come to portland. We will treat you and your business well.

Seattle is where old douche bags go to die.

... and Portland is where street youth go to sit on the corner and be all "deep" and superior to the working suckers. I was pretty underwhelmed when I went to Portland. It's like Seattle but smaller and with more street kids.

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about 3 years ago | (#37426220)

Ahh, a prime example of the warm and welcoming Portland attitude!

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426458)

Portland is where twenty-something douche bags go to retire.

No, not Portland (1)

JordanL (886154) | about 3 years ago | (#37425562)

You shouldn't come to Portland either. We also have tons of rain, and... there's nothing to do here... so stay down in Cali where you're safe from the harmful drops of water that mysteriously fall to earth.

Re:No, not Portland (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425604)

Well the water wasn't a part of the solution.

Re:No, not Portland (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about 3 years ago | (#37425704)

Water is almost always part of the solution. It's the most common solvent by a significant margin over all the others.

Re:No, not Portland (2)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 3 years ago | (#37425952)

I can't believe this entire line was precipitated by a fairly innocuous comment.

Re:Seattle is a horrible rainy scary place - go 'w (3, Insightful)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | about 3 years ago | (#37425700)

No, no!!! Not Portland! It's always rainy here and there are all of those smelly hippies and hipsters and... well, you saw Portlandia, didn't you? It's just like that. And there are cougars (the feline kind) roaming in the streets (no more cars to run them over now that we have so many bicycles) so you're not safe at all. Stay down there in beatuiful, sunny California. I'd be down there with you, instead of this hell hole, but we don't make enough money up here for us to move there.

In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in droves (4, Interesting)

unassimilatible (225662) | about 3 years ago | (#37425382)

over taxes and regulation. According to this blog [blogspot.com] (LOL, only "business relocation coaches" have secure employment in CA) companies leaving CA has increased 5-fold since 2009, an average of 5.4 per week! And Chief Executive magazine has again ranked California last of 50 states to have a business [chiefexecutive.net] . 14 states have tasked their economic development agencies with luring away [city-journal.org] California companies tired of high taxes, profuse regulations, and an extortionate legal system. So let's not just make this about Amazon. Everyone is fleeing CA. In fact, WA is not even safe. With the NLRB's overreaching against Boeing, their next move might be to China.

Re:In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in drov (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#37425564)

SO you list people who are making money moving companies as a source? are you really that stupid? I don't think so.

The first guys information include companies going under and uses it t imply they are moving, instead of simple loosing business and a poor economy.

I mean, Come on. Other companies his list have NOTHING to do with CA regulations or taxes. It was part of a plan when the were acquired by out of state companies.

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (1, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 3 years ago | (#37425722)

Look, California is one of the largest economies in the world for a reason. (Actually, a lot of reasons.)

If you don't want to give back to the state that you do business in, bye bye. You won't be missed. Have fun learning the hard way why nobody else is running a software company in South Carolina or whatever.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (1)

sdguero (1112795) | about 3 years ago | (#37425912)

North Carolina has a shitload of software companies. I dunno about the South though...

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425924)

Riiiight, /nobody/ has a successful software company in Washington.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426048)

Right.

This is why Germany and Austria are booming, luring new companies, and don't have employment issues.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 3 years ago | (#37426266)

What is why? It's not like either of those countries have super low taxes or anything.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (3, Insightful)

mc6809e (214243) | about 3 years ago | (#37426118)

Look, California is one of the largest economies in the world for a reason. (Actually, a lot of reasons.)

If you don't want to give back to the state that you do business in, bye bye. You won't be missed. Have fun learning the hard way why nobody else is running a software company in South Carolina or whatever.

Ugly sentiment and dangerous.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that the state needs them more than they need the state. And California is not East Germany. You won't be able to build a wall to keep them in so they can be forced to "give back to the state". They'll leave and they'll be missed.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (4, Insightful)

Denmc (2463338) | about 3 years ago | (#37426358)

As a native Californian, this "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" attitude concerns me. Our state has an unemployment rate of 12.1%. Only Nevada is higher at 12.9%. Our state has a serious jobs problem and continuing to encourage businesses to leave will not improve the welfare of our citizens.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (1)

NotAGoodNickname (1925512) | about 3 years ago | (#37426396)

Hope you are enjoying that 12+% unemployment rate.

Giving back != Bending over (5, Insightful)

drnb (2434720) | about 3 years ago | (#37426404)

Look, California is one of the largest economies in the world for a reason.

Yes, the policies we had decades ago. Be careful, you are looking backwards, and the GP is looking forwards.

If you don't want to give back to the state that you do business in, bye bye. You won't be missed.

Yes, but up to a point. Both you and the GP may be a little overdramatic but the GP does have a point. For example how much of the economic success you refer to is from the aerospace industry? Bad news on that front:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/examiner-opinion-zone/aerospace-exodus-california [washingtonexaminer.com]

And what of the emerging private space industry that has its roots in Mohave? More bad new:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/apr/14/competitors-are-wooing-california-space-industry/ [signonsandiego.com]

On a personal note I know some guys who used to shape surf boards. Very small scale shop but respected by locals and profitable for years. They had to give it up due to ever increasing regulations.

Have fun learning the hard way why nobody else is running a software company in South Carolina or whatever.

I don't think US customers know or care where a software company is located, except possibly that it is a US operation. And with the increasing popularity of the digital supply chain -- developer to online store to consumer, no packaged goods or distributors -- this is becoming even more so.


You have to admit the California legislature is out of control and making California a less friendly place to do business than a few decades ago.

Re:Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 3 years ago | (#37426548)

Look, California is one of the largest economies in the world for a reason. (Actually, a lot of reasons.)

If you don't want to give back to the state that you do business in, bye bye. You won't be missed. Have fun learning the hard way why nobody else is running a software company in South Carolina or whatever.

Thing is, you need to look for a middle ground there.

Yes, businesses (and citizens) should pay taxes in their state and country of residence. And yes, successful economies are generally not the ones which have ultra-low taxes, at least not in long-term - you can make a market "efficient" that way, but it does not contribute to a healthy society.

On the other hand, taxation should be fair. Taxes are not some kind of magic coffer where the state should reach into every time it runs out of money doing stuff - even if it seems like it's useful stuff. Furthermore, it's also most certainly possible to drive businesses away by setting the tax burden too high, and then you suddenly find out that, even though your tax rate is through the roof, the magic coffer is empty, because the leprechauns that were filling it are gone.

Laffer curve is a real thing, and applies outside of the Austrian economic school (even if those guys love to mention it every time they demand lower taxes - but that's not what it actually is about). Ignoring it when defining your economic policy is actively harmful to yourself, and this is true regardless of your political affiliation (unless you believe in abolishing all property altogether).

Re:In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in drov (1)

sdguero (1112795) | about 3 years ago | (#37425902)

Cannot agree more. I'm a So-Cal guy and I love it here but I've been watching this state drive out business, particularly in tech, for the last 10 years. My hope is to stay and pay the insane state taxes, but if all the jobs leave (San Diego is still doing OK, largely thanks to Quallcom) I'm going to have to leave too. :(

Re:In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in drov (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425966)

Same story, different decade. Every year we hear about how horrible California is for businesses and how state X is being filled with ex-Californian's fleeing the high taxes. There are more people in California than the entire country of Canada. California is the eighth largest economy in the world. California has some of the finest educational facilities in the world. But none of that matters. Why? Because California has hot women. I don't want any stinky Seattle hippies, stoned Portland vegans, religious nutjob Texans, or angry bitch New Yorkers. I want hot, tanned, athletic beach body California women. And that is why there will always be people and businesses in California.

Re:In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in drov (1)

mspohr (589790) | about 3 years ago | (#37426190)

In California, we are happy when someone leaves. This has the effect of increasing the average IQ of both California and wherever they land. (Not to mention making more space for us.)

Re:In fairness, companies are leaving Cali in drov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426494)

I'm sure the 12% unemployed in CA are happy about it too. 50% higher than the national average. That's quite an achievement. You should be proud.

Lonely in Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425392)

And rain.

North Dakota (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 3 years ago | (#37425400)

Many new .COMs on a shoe string budget are opening there because of no sales taxes and other breaks. Texas is nice too, but the legislature keeps flirting with the idea of implementing an internet sales tax which scares many businesses. I strongly prefer to live in Texas vs Oklahoma, but any sales tax can quickly throw you out of business as it is an unfair disadvantage over someone else who can sell things cheaper.

California is a bad place for a startup due to its unfriendly business atmosphere, which is why companies there are laying off so many workers. I am surprised how the .com revolution even got started there? Maybe those were the days before Wall Street and cost accountants cared about profitability and taxes?

Re:North Dakota (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#37425508)

Did you miss the point where they got quick investment of money from CA?

No state moves investment faster the CA.
I don't care where you have your startup, if you sell in a state that has a tax, then you need to collect that tax.

Re:North Dakota (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425522)

Sounds great, but it's in North Dakota.

Seattle is a nice destination? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425428)

News to me. Everyone who lives around these parts always wants to leave, saying how there's only one season here: the rainy season. It's like Vancouver and London in that respect.

My experience as a Manhattan startup (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425436)

DAY ONE
7 a.m.: Impressed by all the hot, shirtless guys on my run around Hudson River Park. This must be where all the straight men in my neighborhood hide. Decide to cut my run short so I can fantasize about them.
7:36 a.m.: Despite my steamy thoughts of the stud I jogged next to, this shower is not doing it. Suddenly remember that waterproof vibrator I got from some press event and hop out of shower. Canâ(TM)t find it. UGH.
7:53 a.m.: Race back into apartment to change panties to slutty red lace thong because I realize I probably wonâ(TM)t have time to come back after work before I meet up with 920 (his area code).
8 p.m.: On Charles Street by August where 920 told me to meet him. Admittedly, weâ(TM)ve never hung out before 11 p.m. so this could get awkward. Giddy up.

8:15 p.m.: Realize I was so drunk the first time we met that I know nothing about him other than heâ(TM)s 28, has a nice dick, and is likely balding.
8:20 p.m.: Text friend telling her she might need to rescue me because am meeting up with some obese, greasy, bald dude I accidentally hooked up with when I was really drunk at Brother Jimmyâ(TM)s (shocker) a few weeks back. Hey, at least it wasnâ(TM)t Tonic. So itâ(TM)s probably safe to assume heâ(TM)s not a Pauly D but a harmless post-fratboy went-to-âoeWiscoâ-Delta-Epsilon whatfuckingever type.
8:30 p.m.: Shocked and pleasantly surprised when 920 approaches me and kisses my cheek. Incredibly handsome. Arenâ(TM)t beer goggles supposed to work the other way?
9 p.m.: Well, it might have been awkward at first but nothing a little fig-infused vodka canâ(TM)t solve. Heâ(TM)s rubbing my thigh. He tells me he likes my dress and I reply, âoeYou can borrow it anytime you want.â Clever, I know.
10:15 p.m. In a cab. Remove his cock from his crisp business pants. Start going down on him in the taxi. A pedestrian slaps him five through the window. I love Manhattan. Cab stops short and I nearly choke.
10:38 p.m.: He pushes me onto his bed and flings my dress off in one fell swoop. Iâ(TM)m riding him slowly and heâ(TM)s trading off between pulling my hair and rubbing my clit. Great sex but I canâ(TM)t stand the baby talk. Wish I could use the mute button on the remote control lying next to his bed on him.
10:55 p.m.: Okay, I really canâ(TM)t stand this baby talk. Iâ(TM)m pretty close, but as soon as heâ(TM)s done I bolt the fuck out of there so as to not listen to this Gerber Babyâ(TM)s soundtrack any longer.

DAY TWO
3 p.m.: 858, the 31-year-old advertising guy, and I are texting. Heâ(TM)s at his company picnic but would like to make a bad decision or two with me tonight.
11 p.m.: Iâ(TM)ve somehow managed to secure a stamp for a free open bar and bottle service at this snooty place called the Anchor. Allegedly, this is on account of my business card, but based on their creepy stares, more likely because I look like a pair of legs tonight.
11:02 p.m.: 858 shows up, tells me my ass looks good in that skirt, grabs it, and ushers me in.
11:05 p.m.: Holy shit. Is this intern night? There is no way the girls in here were born before Selena Gomez. God, Iâ(TM)m getting old if half of America worships a Disney character born in the nineties. The guys are all twentysomething banker types and the gold-digging minors are loving it. 858 and I discuss how we are bringing up the average age by 9.7 years.
11:30 p.m.: Only way to cope with being at the Mickey Mouse Club is via vodka.
11:55 p.m.: Lots. Of. Vodka.
12:20 a.m.: Weâ(TM)re grinding on the dance floor to the likes of âoeToo Closeâ by Next, âoeCâ(TM)mon Overâ by Christina, and âoeIâ(TM)m a Slave 4 Uââ"era Britney. Nobody on the dance floor knows the lyrics but us.
1 a.m.: 858 pushes me up against the D.J. booth and is trying to finger-bang me on the dance floor. I suggest we relocate, mainly because Iâ(TM)m convinced weâ(TM)ll bump into my little brother, a senior in high school.
1:40 a.m.: We stumble down the street to the Ear Inn, a romantically rundown bar. Contemplate giving him a blow job in the bathroom but then realize he might call it a night from there and head back to his apartment and I donâ(TM)t want to risk hailing a cab alone in the part of Soho so fucking west I might as well be in Jersey.
2 a.m.: Glad we didnâ(TM)t do the whole BJ-in-a-public-space thing. Back at my place. I am quite drunk. Vague recollections of having my period.
2:05 a.m.: 858â(TM)s going down on me. Iâ(TM)m normally not into that because it makes me too horny and Iâ(TM)d rather just fuck, but 858 is quite talented at teasing my pussy with his tongue.
2:08 a.m.: Is he spelling out the alphabet? Really? Bet he thinks he can get me off by Z ...
2:15 a.m.: Heâ(TM)s using one hand to finger me and when Iâ(TM)m on the brink, he sucks on my clit nice and hard. Why do I normally get all squeamish over getting oral? This is fucking awesome. Why does he keep telling me how wet I am?
2:16 a.m.: OH SHIT. I know why.
2:18 a.m.: Please donâ(TM)t kiss me. Fuck. Fuck. Phew. Crisis averted.

DAY THREE
10:05 a.m.: Wake up to a trail of five (what the fuck?!) Magnum wrappers on my floor and a pile of bloody condoms in my trash bin. I briefly wonder what it tastes like to go down on a girl who has her period.
10:07 a.m.: Throw up.
8:25 p.m.: Over dinner, my poor guy friend is convinced he has herpes after hooking up with a girl from Turtle Bay (shocking).
8:30 p.m.: I ask him to describe the symptoms. After this morning, how bad can it be? âoeUm, babe, You just have ingrown hairs ⦠â
8:40 p.m.: Celebratory beers to celebrate lack of herpes.
9:30 p.m.: Iâ(TM)m chatting up a group of eight finance (fuh-nance, not fy-nance, sweetheart) types. Vaguely attracted to the only guy in the group who doesnâ(TM)t look like heâ(TM)s been transplanted from Marthaâ(TM)s Vineyard.
9:45 p.m.: Decide to conduct a little psychological experiment to glean insight into the male species using the bar as my laboratory. Whenever one of the guys gets up to order a round of drinks I strike up a conversation with him at the bar by saying (Condition 1) âoeJust so you know, I think youâ(TM)re pretty cute.â or (Condition 2) âoeJust so you know, I think youâ(TM)re cuter than all of your friends,â which plays to their competitive instincts and I hypothesize will yield to better outcomes. I tell four of the guys the first statement, then four the latter.
11 p.m.: I repeat the experiment using another pool of guys. I tell three theyâ(TM)re hot, and three theyâ(TM)re hotter than all of their friends.
11:20 p.m.: Tallying up statistics on a napkin. I got six out of seven phone numbers when I phrased my statement in the comparative form (âoeI just want to let you know, I think youâ(TM)re hotter than all of your friendsâ). Only got two out of seven numbers when I told them they were just plain cute/hot. I think Iâ(TM)m onto something. I should contact the Journal of Social Psych.
12:10 a.m.: Making out with 216, the original guy I thought was cute, plucked from the table housing the Manhattan Outlet of Marthaâ(TM)s Vineyard. Turned on but then think of this morningâ(TM)s bloody fiasco. Decide an Irish Good-bye is best.
12:30 a.m.: Bed, box of Crispix, a juicy peach, slice of olive pizza, Diet Coke, Possible Side Effects by Augusten Burroughs, âoeGoldâ humming from my speakers. Life is good.

DAY FOUR
7 p.m.: Nursing a frozen mojito at Reunion, rereading Dry by Augusten Burroughs.
8:30 p.m.: Very strange fortysomething women dressed like psychics approach me and say Iâ(TM)m beautiful but they want to realign âoemy energy fieldâ so I can attract better mates.
8:40 p.m.: Energies realigned and now strolling along Ninth Avenue when I spot a really cute guy. Decide to approach him and say, âoeIâ(TM)m sorry to bother you but I just moved here and I was wondering if you knew any good bars?â He suggests several and asks for my number so we can get a drink sometime. I tell him, âoeHow about we make that sometime now?â
8:50 p.m.: Sitting at dive bar with 310 and thinking maybe those crazy psychics did the trick. Heâ(TM)s handsome, well spoken, and paying for my drinks. A rare combination in this town.
1 a.m.: Back at my apartment with 310. I donâ(TM)t normally do that, but I was getting really good vibes from him. Weâ(TM)re a mess of tangled tongues and limbs. I hate hooking up to music but I know if I put on Nirvana, itâ(TM)ll give me an opportunity to pull away if heâ(TM)s trying to have sex with me and play the âoeOh my God, Lithium!!! I love this song!â annoying girl card, so I throw it on. He gives me two orgasms with his hand. I really donâ(TM)t want to return the favor and find out so soon that this seemingly great guy has a Burt Beesâ(TM) for a penis and get disappointed but I take a peek.
1:03 a.m.: Yep, definitely wouldnâ(TM)t be able to tell whether or not he was trying to fuck me or fix chapped lips with that thing.
3:05 a.m.: Text from âoeNo Idea But Cute Flannelâ (310) who has just left my apartment saying he canâ(TM)t wait to see me again. And oh, did I like waffles? He could take me to this great waffle truck! Starting to get the ick from him. Ugh.
3:20 a.m.: Three missed calls from 310. Heâ(TM)s stuck in my elevator. Ha ha ha ha ha. Decide it is in my best interest to pretend to be sleeping. God, Iâ(TM)m a bitch.

DAY FIVE
7:05 a.m.: Wake up to a text from 310 telling me he didnâ(TM)t want me to wake up to âoestuck in your elevator!â texts so he wanted to compose a sweeter one for me instead. Now I understand why it is so unattractive when girls send these flowery texts to guys they just met and try to turn a one-night stand/make-out/whatever into something more meaningful.
11:30 a.m.: These texts need to stop. I donâ(TM)t even know his name. Ick, ick, ick.
5:30 p.m.: Get every girlâ(TM)s worst nightmare text from 310: âoeHey, listen, thereâ(TM)s something I need to talk to you about the other night, confidentially. Can you call me?â
5:45 p.m.: You sent me that god-awful text to tell me the reason you were acting so weird was because the night we met you found out your friendâ(TM)s dad is sick? Listen, Iâ(TM)m sorry about that, but really?
7:30 p.m.: Drinks with work mentor and bitching about 858, 310, etc., and the generally pathetic trajectory of my love life. She wisely reminds me that Iâ(TM)m still young and dating around is healthy.
9 p.m.: 858â(TM)s b-day so we meet for drinks at Rattle ânâ(TM) Hum. Heâ(TM)s groping me and very clearly wants to get out of there.
10:02 p.m.: 858 grabs his digital camera while I go down on him. I think he thinks Iâ(TM)ll be too drunk to remember, but Iâ(TM)m not.
10:15 p.m.: But itâ(TM)d be really fucking awesome if he could hook up his camera to his TV right now so we could watch him bend me over his coffee table and fuck me while itâ(TM)s happening.
10:16 p.m.: He comes all over my face.
11:30 p.m.: Walking back to apartment. Ugh, my hair kind of feels like straw right there, definitely in my hair, too. Great.

DAY SIX
7 p.m.: Why is 310 still texting me? Canâ(TM)t he fucking take a hint? This is a great wake-up call of how I probably come off when I text somebody Iâ(TM)m into who wanted nothing more than a drunken tryst and to leave it at that. Now I completely see how goddamn annoying it is.
8:30 p.m.: Giving girlfriend advice over dinner. Trying to remind her that dating in your early twenties is more about having experiences than the actual boys themselves, itâ(TM)s about nights that make you cringe and not about just getting hung up on a specific dude or situation. Wish I could follow my own advice.

DAY SEVEN
9 p.m.: Buzzed at my friendâ(TM)s apartment. She just happens to be neighbors with 858. I text 858 that Iâ(TM)m at his neighborâ(TM)s and have a surprise for him.
9:20 p.m.: I donâ(TM)t really have a surprise for him other than Iâ(TM)m drunk.
9:30 p.m.: Do my pigtails count as a surprise? 858 wants to know what the surprise is. I tell him, âoeIf you come back uptown, itâ(TM)ll be worth it.â
9:35 p.m.: 858 arrives. Men are so easily persuaded.
9:38 p.m.: Oh shit, does he think I was implying a threesome? Whoops.
9:40 p.m.: Heâ(TM)s drunk and doesnâ(TM)t seem to care about the lack of surprise.
10:45 p.m.: Boys in suits at Banc are trying to buy me drinks. I flirt with them for a little bit, but only to see if 858 will swoop in.
1:10 a.m.: Back at 858â(TM)s apartment. Drop to my knees to blow him while he pulls my pigtails.
1:15 a.m.: Having sex with him on top. Normally Iâ(TM)m a fan of slinging my legs over the guys shoulders but heâ(TM)s so big that Iâ(TM)m scared it will hurt. Heâ(TM)s not taking no for answer tonight. I kind of like when he gets all rough and aggressive and pins me down like this.
1:30 a.m.: 858 is bending me over the couch and fucking me from behind. Heâ(TM)s clenching my neck with one hand and spanking me with the other, telling me I better be ready to be his dirty little slut tonight. Heâ(TM)s a cashmere sweater and blue jeans sort of guy. Itâ(TM)s always the sweet, reserved-looking ones who are the best dirty talkers.
1:45 a.m.: 858 is passed out, so I hunt around for his camera and delete the pictures from the other night that he doesnâ(TM)t think I remember him taking.
2:03 a.m.: As I drift along Park Avenue, I soak in the smells of almost-burnt and incredibly doughy bagels, the sounds of happy twentysomethings clacking their flip-flops, and the sight of the ever-comforting glow of Grand Central Terminal. It feels great to feel the breeze of the night kiss my neck and reunite with my city. The city. His city. And though I may not know who he is yet, for the first time in a while, you know what? Iâ(TM)m okay with that. Sure, there are those nights when I wish I had a boy to hold hands with on my late-night stumble home. But most nights, Iâ(TM)m perfectly content with knowing Manhattan is the one man I can count on whose hand will always interlock perfectly with mine.

TOTALS: one would-be orgasm interrupted by a Gerberâ(TM)s sponsorship; two manual orgasms; one blowjob to a golf pencil; two acts of oral sex given; one act of oral sex received; five acts of intercourse; one Stage Five clinger; one eternal love affair with Manhattan

Re:My experience as a Manhattan startup (1)

camelphace (1448287) | about 3 years ago | (#37425486)

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING?

Answer: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425882)

the reason AIDS spread so fast.

Re:My experience as a Manhattan startup (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 3 years ago | (#37425978)

Watson hitting a seg fault?

The story of Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425474)

Long, long ago Seattle suffered under a drought that threatened to wipe the city off the map. The city fathers sacrificed a young virgin named Cortney Love to the rain god. The rain god expressed his displeasure by making it rain ever since.

Seattle startups (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | about 3 years ago | (#37425478)

I think we, in many ways, have a better environment for startups than the SF area. There's a lot of good talent up here.

And it's not rainy year round. The summers are gorgeous and sunny. The SF area is pretty rainy in the winter too.

Re:Seattle startups (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 3 years ago | (#37425628)

I think we, in many ways, have a better environment for startups than the SF area. There's a lot of good talent up here.

And it's not rainy year round. The summers are gorgeous and sunny. The SF area is pretty rainy in the winter too.

The problem with the startup talent in Seattle is that so many of them have grown up on MS shit that they don't realize it's shit. And expensive, which is anathema for startups. Some startups realize that as long as someone knows how to code, they can switch to any other platform with a minimum of fuss, but many do not.

Lets see (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#37425496)

A) People from Seattle move the CA and get funding for a CA organization
B) Amazon throws a hissy fit over having to collect taxes.(something they do in other states already)
C) Amazon just off thousand of people
D) These guys flee the state that got them started, and move to Washington so the can cozy up to the people that cut them out.

and, of course,m /. will blame CA for this, not understand this is about collection, blame CA for driving off a 2 man company, and ignore the fact that cutting people off was a strategy calculation from Amazon to put pressure to go to a one tax for all states model that have spent millions lobbying for.

As for the people who started the company? they where just leeches to get CA money and leave, this just provided a convient PR move so they can kiss amazons ass.

Re:Lets see (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about 3 years ago | (#37425536)

A) People from Seattle move the CA and get funding for a CA organization B) Amazon throws a hissy fit over having to collect taxes.(something they do in other states already) C) Amazon just off thousand of people D) These guys flee the state that got them started, and move to Washington so the can cozy up to the people that cut them out.

and, of course,m /. will blame CA for this, not understand this is about collection, blame CA for driving off a 2 man company, and ignore the fact that cutting people off was a strategy calculation from Amazon to put pressure to go to a one tax for all states model that have spent millions lobbying for.

As for the people who started the company? they where just leeches to get CA money and leave, this just provided a convient PR move so they can kiss amazons ass.

Not all small business owners in CA want to leech and leave; it's just prohibitively expensive to run a low-revenue operation.

Re:Lets see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426568)

geekoid, please stop commenting on ./ Your comments are so poorly written, incomprehensible, and add nothing... Every time I read a comment obviously written by a dipshit, it is usually one of yours.

Businesses are fleeing... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425544)

Businesses are fleeing California [cnn.com] for a lot of reasons [ocregister.com] .

Those that remain may enjoy their fitted sheet [theblaze.com] mandate as enforced by their mattress police [patch.com] .

Seattle is a nice place. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37425588)

Everyone bitches and moans about how cloudy it is, and frankly it's not that bad. It's not always cloudy, and if you are so invested in how the weather is outside rather than the other things that make up and amounts to what makes a place a great place to live you've got other issues to deal with.

-Signed,
Raised in Hawaii Citizen.

PS always sunny and balmy weather is worthless if you're paying a huge cost of living. That's fiscally retarded. k thx bye.

Same here (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 3 years ago | (#37425664)

I'm just a one man operation doing a browser with mobile app API for my own service (for extra money revenue -- not a true startup in the typical sense) that got shutdown mid-development by this fracas. However, I'm not ready to move to Seattle -- lived there for 15 years, and unless you are wealthy the place has fuck all going on. I'm not wealthy and my CPA advises me that simply filing incorporation in another state without significant infrastructure there will not pass the smell test.
However, I'm considering living in Cabo San Lucas for the next couple years on an FM3 and looking at ways to swing that little complexity. But personally, I'd rather set up shop in Reno or Vegas under Nevada Charter than Washington State, if anything because Nevada is very corporation friendly and in much closer proximity to CA than Seattle and the property values there are still very reasonable since they didn't have the quite housing bubble that Seattle and other major Metro areas did over the last 10 years.

Frankly, I'm ticked-off at Amazon since they seem to be willing to settle this matter with CA, but have pissed all over their affiliates and haven't even sent a damned email about this latest development and how it effects the possibility of reinstature. And that really speaks a lot to what trash and garbage they view their affiliates as. So I've moved on to other projects for now.

Re:Same here (1)

glenstar (569572) | about 3 years ago | (#37425798)

Washington state is downright hostile to small business. The DOR is evil and will treat you like a mega corporation even if you only have a single employee. I have had several corporations and LLCs registered in Washington (and stupidly just set up a new one here) but next time I will pay for an empty office space in Las Vegas and do it that way.

Re:Same here (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 3 years ago | (#37426006)

Every major city will have its issues. I lived in Reno for a year before moving to Carson City. Compared to my last home in Texas, the property rates here seemed high. My Los Angeles area relatives were shocked that I could buy a 3/2 house 1500 sqft for 74K. They also thought it a waste since it's just me and my girlfriend. At any rate, I've noticed more and more companies moving here from California. If I ever decided to give up my cushy government job, I'd have my pick of the companies coming here. So I applaud California, keep driving business out, I guarantee somebody else will want it.

Seattle's a nice destination... (1)

skine (1524819) | about 3 years ago | (#37425748)

Seattle's a nice destination until the volcano triggers the earthquake.

Or was it the other way around?

Re:Seattle's a nice destination... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426192)

The earthquake will trigger avalanches which will trigger the volcano, which will trigger more avalanches of concrete-like sludge as the eruption melts the glaciers which will roar down the valleys burying what's left of Seattle under fifty feet of steaming volcanic mud. Also, it's very drizzly.

Re:Seattle's a nice destination... (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 years ago | (#37426528)

And no NBA team.

Re:Seattle's a nice destination... (2)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about 3 years ago | (#37426252)

It's actually the grizzlies getting pissed at all the rain and stomping too heavily that triggers the Earthquakes which kick off the volcanoes. So we Washingtonians try to keep the grizzlies happy by feeding them the occasional CA or OR hiker...

Get some integrity, guys! (4, Insightful)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about 3 years ago | (#37425836)

Look, it's really simple.

Taxing Amazon is unconstitutional on its face, and there is a supreme court decision which is on point that clarifies the issue.

Part of having integrity is supporting what's right even when it's not in your best interest. Yes, California is hurting, we get that. Yes, you need more money, we get that. No, it's not right, deal with it, and no, it's still not right even if you really, *really* need the money.

A better question is whether California really needs the money. Comparing CA with NH:

The CA budget is 9x the NH budget

CA has 28x the population to tax (income taxes)
CA residents have higher income on average than NH residents (income taxes)
CA has 17x the land area to tax (property taxes)
CA has much greater tourist draw than NH (meals and room taxes)
CA has a vast agricultural and industrial base (NAPA valley, Silicon valley) (business taxes)
CA has an enormous coastline which attracts international trade and recreation

NH has... hiking.

If you can't get 9x the revenue from 28x the population, you're doing it wrong.

Here's a thought: How about California just ditch all government infrastructure and duplicate the one in NH, expanded per capita. You would have no income tax, no sales tax, and an operating budget 3x higher.

Source:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2320930&cid=36754362 [slashdot.org]

California

Population: 37M
Population Density: 234/sq mi
Area: 163,696 sq mi (770 miles from top to bottom)
2010-2011 Budget: 102 Billion
Budget per capita: $2756

NH

Population: 1.3M
Population Density: 146/sq mi
Area: 9,304 sq mi ( 190 miles from top to bottom)
2010-2011 Budget: $11.5 billion
Budget per capita: $8846

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426014)

Are you really that dumb? Look at your own numbers: California Budget per capita: $2756, NH buget per capita: $8846

If California ran like NH it would have a budget of $327 Billion.

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426296)

Are you really that dumb?

California budget per capita: $2756

NH budget per capita: $8846
along with NO income tax and NO sales tax

I know its fucking difficult, but you could at least read the goddamn comment you reply to. Or at least keep your filthy fucking fingers off the keyboard if you can't.

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426258)

Oh, I may be a little slow but from your numbers it looks like the CA government is 3x more efficient than NH. Why on earth will Californians want to spend 3 times more to service the same population???

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426532)

uh... maybe 'cause they're going bankrupt with their current budget???

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426370)

If CA was next door to a socialist shit-hole with a population of 80m it could work. (20xMA)

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426382)

It would be awesome to start charging NH level property taxes out here. Though you would have to repeal prop 13 and that ain't gonna happen.

Re:Get some integrity, guys! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426400)

An important clarification is that Amazon is not being taxed. Amazon's affiliates located in CA are being taxes when they do business with Amazon. The solution for businesses that want to avoid paying tax to CA is simple, move out of CA. That said you take a drastic departure to this argument of whether or not Amazon should be taxed by trying to justify to what extent the CA government should tax its businesses. It's a black & white issue, not a gray one (as you so perceive it to be).

i don't get this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426024)

citizens are already supposed to claim sales tax on out of state goods they purchase.

you FAIL it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37426576)

polite to bring fear the 8eaper
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