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Pirate Party Wins Seat In Berlin

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the walking-the-plank-of-the-people dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Pirate Party won its first seat in the Berlin state elections with almost 9% of the vote. From the article: '"We will get right to work," top Pirate candidate, Andreas Baum, told ZDF television. "This is all new for us."'"

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First... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435474)

Pirate seat won in Berlin, wow!

Re:First... (4, Informative)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435490)

Just in time for Talk Like a Pirate Day [talklikeapirate.com] , September 19th.

Re:First... (1)

odoketa (1040340) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435518)

Now talking like a pirate will involve phrases like 'tax relief'...

Though in some ways I suppose it always has....

Re:First... (4, Insightful)

vranash (594439) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435586)

Weren't pirates often 'reliefing' the government of it's 'hard earned' tax dollars? By 'hard earned' I meant: 'stolen from the poor'?:D

Re:First... (0)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436008)

So when's Talk Like A Politician Day?

Re:First... (2)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436176)

Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?

A: His lips move.

Re:First... (3, Funny)

Aighearach (97333) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436242)

A: His lips move.

Or his parrot's do.

Re:First... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436662)

so basically: Dyarr, Avast bürger! Ich bin Piratenpolitiker Arrrr?

 

Maybe... (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435492)

...others can copy their strategy?

Re:Maybe... (0)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435756)

...others can copy their strategy?

Er, "copy"? Oh the irony.

Are we finally going to find out once and for all who will reign supreme, Pirates or Ninjas? Will the Ninjas use cool smoke balls to disappear off stage after a debate? (cue the smoke and mirrors political satire). Instead of proclaiming "Ay" seconding a motion, do Pirates say "Arrrr" instead?

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Had to be asked.

Re:Maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436124)

Er, "copy"? Oh the irony.

Whoosh.

Re:Maybe... (1)

hoytak (1148181) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436232)

...others can copy their strategy?

as long as they don't patent it as a business method.

But where (3, Funny)

dlb (17444) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435510)

is the Ninja Party?

Re:But where (4, Funny)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435594)

They're present, but go unnoticed.

Re:But where (2)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435624)

That kind of sucks when trying to campaign.

Re:But where (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435688)

Indeed. Though it sometimes seems a lot of even our elected reps have mastered Ninja Vanish.

Re:But where (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436714)

Not near enough of them I'm afraid.

Re:But where (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435604)

they've been there all along... you just haven't noticed.

Re:But where (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435610)

You can't see them, duh.

Re:But where (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435678)

Where you least expect them to be.

Re:But where (3, Funny)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435786)

is the Ninja Party?

They've been there all along. They're so sneaky, they've changed their name to "Congress".

Just watch C-SPAN or find a live feed of the Congressional floor. They're all very hard at work, you just can't see any of them.

Yeah, I know. They're REALLY good Ninjas.

Re:But where (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436584)

Just look for their badges.

No surprises here... (2)

Naveen Gupta (970308) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435512)

.... considering how "cool" it is becoming in Germany to associate anything and everything with "Piraten". Pirates are in baby.

Re:No surprises here... (2)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435638)

I blame the MPAA.

Re:No surprises here... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435686)

please take the pirates out of the baby. thanks.

Re:No surprises here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436090)

how is pirate formed?

Re:No surprises here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436166)

Any truth to the rumour that, upon seeing them with a 9% share, the there was a collective "Argh!" from the opposition?

Re:No surprises here... (2)

SlothDead (1251206) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436218)

Uhm, no? The name "Pirate Party" works much better in Sweden, which has Pirates in their history and a population that knows enough English to know the term "software piracy".
In Germany, pirates are usually associated with Somalia and the German equivalent for "pirated software" translates as "robbery copy". There was a lot of debate about weather or not it's a good idea to even call it "Pirate Party", in the end it was decided that a consistent name across all countries has more value than having names that better match the local culture.

tl;dr In Germany, "Pirate" is a meaningless, valueless (or bad) word when used in politics.

Re:No surprises here..., (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436476)

The name "Pirate Party" works much better in Sweden, which has Pirates in their history and a population that knows enough English to know the term "software piracy".

We know English even in Germany.

Re:No surprises here..., (1)

SlothDead (1251206) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436594)

Let me clarify what I meant: Sweden has a much better insight into US American culture. The reason for this might be that because Sweden is such a small country, it isn't profitable to dub all the American TV shows: instead swedes have to read subtitles or just learn enough English to watch TV (which most of them do).

Germany is the exact opposite, with German being the most spoken language in Europe and Germany being the richest country (and other German speaking countries being quite rich as well), it becomes viable to dub ALL foreign television in German (watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0X3nJ_TSy4 [youtube.com] if you dare). So the average German does not know about terms like "software piracy", the pun in the name is lost to the majority of voters (German phrase is "robbery copy").

Re:No surprises here..., (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436746)

That so is? All this time I have, been use an Auto-Translator from das Google, ja. ;-)

[But seriously, even in German, "Piraterie" has been used in a copyright context for many years. Even those who don't speak English associate it with filesharing at least as much as with Johnny Depp or Somalia.]

Re:No surprises here... (3, Interesting)

multi io (640409) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436760)

Uhm, no? The name "Pirate Party" works much better in Sweden, which has Pirates in their history and a population that knows enough English to know the term "software piracy". In Germany, pirates are usually associated with Somalia and the German equivalent for "pirated software" translates as "robbery copy". There was a lot of debate about weather or not it's a good idea to even call it "Pirate Party", in the end it was decided that a consistent name across all countries has more value than having names that better match the local culture.

tl;dr In Germany, "Pirate" is a meaningless, valueless (or bad) word when used in politics.

Not exactly true; "Softwarepiraterie" (literally "software piracy") is a well-known german term that's used in public discussions about the subject quite frequently [microsoft.com] .

Not just one (4, Informative)

Shoe Puppet (1557239) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435516)

They haven't just won one seat but about 14-15. Interestingly, more seats would have been mostly useless to them as they have only nominated 15 candidates -- if they gain more seats than that or if they have to replace a member mid-term, they will have to leave that seat empty.

Re:Not just one (-1, Flamebait)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435578)

I heard they celebrated the news by fellating a horse and defecating on each other.

Prost!

Re:Not just one (0, Troll)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435608)

No, you're thinking of the Tea Party.

Re:Not just one (1)

MikeUW (999162) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435820)

I thought they focused primarily on teabagging.

Re:Not just one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436140)

teabanging?

Re:Not just one (4, Informative)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435736)

Yes their original goal was "merely" to get over the 5% hurdle. German state and federal elections are run with a proportional voting system, but there is a 5% cut-off. So if you have less than 5% of the votes you will not get any seats, even if your proportion of the votes would amount to one or two. (Leaving out some details here, but that's the gist of it.) So getting over that hurdle is a big deal for a new party.

Re:Not just one (1)

dingram17 (839714) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436678)

Sounds like MMP. The same thresholds apply in the New Zealand elections. The only exception is if you get an electorate seat (geographic) then you're into parliament and you get seats based on the percentage. Without the electorate seat you need to get over 5% to get list members into parliament. It is good as it stops complete fragmentation of the parliament.

Not just one (5, Informative)

BitterKraut (820348) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435520)

Chances are that everyone on their list, which comprised only 15 candidates, will win a seat in the Berlin senate.

yoU fail it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435542)

Dear Pirate Party: (-1)

brit74 (831798) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435670)

Stop screwing creators. We deserve to get paid for our work, and your desire to get other people's valuable hard work for free is not only unfair, but it's ultimately self-destructive (just like forcing doctors and teachers to work for no pay will come back to haunt you in the long run despite the desire that healthcare and education be free).

(And, no, I'm not defending the long-copyright terms or the large fines imposed on pirates.)

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (5, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435702)

If you had actually read the statements of the german Pirate Party, you'd know their position is not one of "screw the creators, everything free for everyone", but quite a bit more thought-out. Go read it.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

Hobart (32767) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435924)

Links?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436222)

www.google.com

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435722)

dear creators, fuck off we dont care about you

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435746)

forcing doctors and teachers to work for no pay

Hilariously, if docs and teachers were treated like "content creators" then we'd have to pay huge amounts of money to their managers in perpetuity to basically do nothing, while the docs and teachers got practically no pay after they pay their bills. Oh wait...

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435888)

"Hilariously, if docs and teachers were treated like "content creators" then we'd have to pay huge amounts of money"

The doctor's kids and their grand-kids would have to get paid too, just like musicians, writers and the rest of them.
You could also argue that _your_ kids and grand-kids will have to pay as well, because they might not exist if the doctor hadn't done his creative work on you.
You would also have to pay if you want to show your scars to somebody or tell details of the operation.
If it was life-threatening, you might have to pay for each additional year you live.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435978)

Nice job taking out of context, but the quote was...

Hilariously, if docs and teachers were treated like "content creators" then we'd have to pay huge amounts of money to their managers in perpetuity

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (5, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435748)

Stop screwing creators.

Tell that to the music labels.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435770)

Can you justify a retroactive copyright extension like the one that got just passed in Europe one month ago? How the hell a retroactive extension is going to encourage creation in the past? Or is the copyright extension including a time machine?

With these things one wonders how they are not getting even more votes....

Encourages dead+decomposing composers to write new (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436240)

...music&lyrics, just like its U.S. Sonny Bono / pro-Disney etc. counterparts [wikipedia.org] - or wait a minute, was there a flaw in that reasoning every time they passed such a thing? (In spite of the Supreme Court's verdict [wikipedia.org] that Congress is constitutionally free to make stupid laws in that respect...)

Can you justify a retroactive copyright extension like the one that got just passed in Europe one month ago?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

magamiako1 (1026318) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435778)

The purpose of a patent is to prevent others from profiting off of your invention, or method of doing something for a finite period of time.
The purpose of trademark is to ensure that someone cannot mimick your branding, products, or company in an attempt to profit off of people whom don't know any better.
The purpose of copyright is to ensure that others cannot profit off of your work for a finite amount of time.

The purpose of these 3 things is not to force others to purchase your work if they do not wish to give you money for it.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (2)

NoKaOi (1415755) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435846)

The purpose of a patent is to prevent others from profiting off of your invention, or method of doing something for a finite period of time.

In the US, that is absolutely NOT the purpose of a patent. Is that not the case elsewhere? The US constitution specifically states that it's to "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." The method of promoting science and useful arts is to allow the creator to profit, thus encouraging them to do their thing by allowing them to be compensated for it. The point is absolutely not to maximize profits for the creator. Do you really think extending copyright term (retroactively!) is going to affect whether or not somebody decides to write a novel or a song? Do you really think structuring patent laws such that only lawyers and companies with enough money to sink into lots of lawyers benefit is going to promote the progress of science and the useful arts?

Yeah yeah, /. is us-centric blah blah blah. But seriously, is the actual (not necessarily practical) purpose of patent and copyright not the same in the EU?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436184)

Do you really think extending copyright term (retroactively!) is going to affect whether or not somebody decides to write a novel or a song?

Of course it is. How else would we encourage John Lennon or Elvis Presley to do new work?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (2)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435794)

(And, no, I'm not defending the long-copyright terms or the large fines imposed on pirates.)

And their platform doesn't seek to end all copyright in all forms. Their first goals are to shorten the terms, do away with the excessive fines on individuals and restore due process to the proceedings. That seems pretty reasonable.

They call themselves "Pirate" because they have already been branded with the name by the MAFIAA (which seems to consider anything short of signing our paychecks over to them and electing them dictator for life to be piracy).

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435806)

Do you pay your doctor for setting the bones in your arm 50 years later? How about 7 years later? How about 3 years later?

Do you pay your teachers for each individual nugget of education you gleaned from them when you're not at school? You didn't pay them by the semester, right?

Why not? That's what content creators like yourself expect when you set any sort of term on your creations.

Fuck off and get paid by the hour (or by the year) like everyone else in the world. This is why you're told to get a real job. Because in a real job you do your work and get paid once. You don't pay Sony a royalty every fucking time you flip on your radio. But you expect the bar owner to pay you every time they put your CD in their CD player.

Just. Fuck. Right. Off. You know what, there's enough art out there that if all artists decided to FOAD tonight, I think everyone would be perfectly satisfied for the next few decades.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435824)

You are not entitled to payments forever for creating something.

Go do some real work you lazy entitled piece of shit.

Or. Extend your stupidity to the rest of the world. The guy that built your house? He deserves to be paid every year for you living there. The guy who made every product you currently use? He deserves to be paid every time you use that product. ect...

What? No? That's what i thought. Now go get a real job and stop being a spoiled little brat.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

phoenix321 (734987) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435908)

How many times do artists deserve to get paid for the same 1 item of their artistic work? And for how many years will they and their heirs and the heirs of their heirs deserve to get paid for the lead character in "Steamboat Willie"?

Which other job on Earth rewards 1 piece of work perpetually, for all eternity?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

bws111 (1216812) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436420)

Which other job on Earth rewards 1 piece of work perpetually, for all eternity?

First, no 'job' does that, including jobs protected by copyright. Furthermore you are clouding the issue by adding 'job' in there. If you would ask the question correctly (what other producer of goods on Earth rewards 1 piece of work as long as people think it has value) the answer is much clearer. EXCEPT for works protected by copyright, which have an artificial expiration date (no matter how long it is), ALL of them.

If you make any product, no matter what it is or how long ago you 'made' it, you can sell that product and make a profit on it as long as people are willing to buy it. Only in things protected by copyright does that ability disappear after some arbitrary length of time.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436710)

Actually, everything else you lose the ability to sell once you've sold it.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435932)

you think you're unique and talented that is the problem. youre just another dipshit in a world of dipshits

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435986)

Stop screwing creators.

What you are just realizing that what you do has practically no value to society?

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

bzipitidoo (647217) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436154)

Nice troll. Now face it, copyright is doomed and dying. No amount of whining and name calling will stop the world from advancing. You speak of fairness? It is unfair of you to want to hold us all back for the sake of a broken business model that never was much good, or necessary.

Why do you worship at the altar of copyright? You aren't capable of seeing any other way, anything at all, for encouraging the arts and sciences? You're afraid of change? It will be a much, much better world when copyright is gone.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (1)

dbet (1607261) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436178)

You deserve nothing. And education is already free for the first 13 years, and somehow those teachers manage to get a salary out of it. Healthcare is also free for a lot of people, and again medical personnel seem to get paid for it.

Re:Dear Pirate Party: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436444)

I'm not defending the long-copyright terms or the large fines imposed on pirates

So you support a significant and high profile portion of the Pirate Party platform, then? Well, that's good to hear.

heh pirate party in the most spineless country (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435676)

how long is this going to last, your country is already dropping pants to any demand by any company

Oh apple says we need to ban samsung? OH YES SIR right away sir!

even France has more balls

Re:heh pirate party in the most spineless country (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435754)

Notice that the people vote, not the country. If the country voted there would be no pirate party seats won.

Re:heh pirate party in the most spineless country (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435808)

u mad that hardworking Nazi's are paying your bills, eurotrash?

enjoy ur bailout.

Re:heh pirate party in the most spineless country (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435816)

Perhaps this is the people's way of saying they don't approve of that?

won by default (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435684)

Between the Greek bailout fiasco, ethanol fuel fiasco, atomic energy extension then reversal, FDP falling on their swords, Stuttgart 21, etc., I don't think any of the mainstream political parties have any credibility with the German voters left. Maybe the Green party has some, but they'd blow it after a couple of years in power. I think Mrs. Merkel is looking for a new coalition partner, maybe she should advertise on one of those in search of web sites.

Reactions of other parties (4, Interesting)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435696)

The funny thing is of course how the other parties reacted. When it became clear that the Pirate Party would likely get into the parliament (predicted to get 6.5% at most), they were already scandalized, how anybody could vote such loonies. Now, I must confess I haven't watched all the reactions of other parties, but after the election both SPD and CDU were dismissive to the point of insulting those who voted for the Pirate Party. (Whose voters are more educated than the average of the electorate.)

A representative of the Left party pointed out that having to few members nominated than the seats they won indicated that they must have overestimated themselves (sic!). Green Representative Renate Künast claimed that her party got the most gains of all parties - the Green Party gained 4.5% more votes than during the last election in 2006 ... but the Pirate Party gained about 6% over that result - reaching 9%. Also none, none of the other parties saw fit to even mention the name Pirate Party even once. They all skirted the issue by saying something like - those others, a new party in the left spectrum or whatever.

Aloofness abounds among established parties, caring about their claim to power first, other parties in the government next and the people ... oh ... well what? The people? Who's that?

Re:Reactions of other parties (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435760)

Now, I must confess I haven't watched all the reactions of other parties, but after the election both SPD and CDU were dismissive to the point of insulting those who voted for the Pirate Party.

So, in my homeland, the Pirate Party is kind of the equivalent of Dr Ron Paul?

Re:Reactions of other parties (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435894)

The difference between the Pirate Party and Ron Paul is that the Pirate Party actually got elected after polling well.

Re:Reactions of other parties (4, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436112)

Sure. Minus the creationism, gold standard and crazy stuff, of course.

Re:Reactions of other parties (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436256)

Perhaps DR RON PAUL could achieve more success if he reinvents himself in the guise of a Pirate Party. He could still stick to the gold stuff pretty easily, with a nice gold-doubloons theme.

Re:Reactions of other parties (2)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435910)

On ARD in the election show Claudia Roth congratulated the Pirate Party and said she's looking forward to a tough but good collaboration, and that the PP result shows that the Greens will have to strengthen their position on citizen rights.

Re:Reactions of other parties (2)

Dr. Hok (702268) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435974)

[...] - the Green Party gained 4.5% more votes than during the last election in 2006 ... but the Pirate Party gained about 6% over that result - reaching 9%. [...]

Actually the pirates gained 9% WRT the latest election, because they hadn't participated back then.

The funny thing is of course how the other parties reacted. When it became clear that the Pirate Party would likely get into the parliament (predicted to get 6.5% at most), they were already scandalized, how anybody could vote such loonies.

Actually, the representative of the pirate party just admitted on TV that they don't have a stance on many points yet, so it doesn't take much not to take them too seriously. But that's not a big issue IMHO. They'll be able to focus on their core issues first, then mature over time. OTOH, from my POV they don't seem to differ much from the green party (grassroots democracy, individual freedom, intellectual-ish and young-ish voters, etc.) so I fear these two might tear each other apart over details, like so many movements (e.g. Peoples' Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front) before.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to tomorrow's Talk Like A Pirate Day. Arrrr!

Re:Reactions of other parties (3, Interesting)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436332)

Most parties have firm opinions on all sorts of matters. Often contradictory opinions both within one party and with other parties. In order to make those opinions seem to be substantial, they cite experts whom they know to support their opinions in the first place. Or they hire experts or "scientists" or statisticians to write up some scientific seeming study with preconceived conclusions.

Given that, I prefer a party that limits its opinions to things it (and me) truly believes in. And tries to use its own best judgment and explicitly that of its voters on those points where it doesn't - instead of stubbornly staying with a party line it is keeping only because it has adopted some opinion to some point for some reason in the past and now can't change it, because of they've already backed those random opinions up with heaps and heaps of lies and propaganda that would fly in its face if it were to change even some of those opinions.

Re:Reactions of other parties (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436636)

Where their position on issues is not clear, it will be patched as necessary. *RIMSHOT*

Re:Reactions of other parties (4, Interesting)

henni16 (586412) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436612)

Sorry, but this is simply not true.
Except for "When it became clear that the Pirate Party would likely get into the parliament (predicted to get 6.5% at most), they were already scandalized, how anybody could vote such loonies."

I'm not sure what you've watched, but it certainly wasn't the coverage by ARD or later the local RBB. Or not a lot of it.

Other parties had no problem naming them and dis so frequently as the success of the Pirates and the catastrophic result of the FDP were the main topics of most discussions.
Yeah, of course they also called the Pirates "new", but so did the Pirates themselves.
During a talk with representatives of all parties (that matter), they even did a little "special" analyzing where the pirates' 9% came from and asked everybody's opinion about that and why their parties didn't manage to get those votes.

Some politicians from the "established" parties even congratulated the Pirates. I remember people from the Greens and the Lefts doing so.
And they certainly didn't say "Congratulations to those others".

And I don't remember a Left party guy talking about "they overestimated themselves".
But I do remember one pointing out how the Pirates _under_estimated their own chances and that the Pirates obviously were surprised by their success as much as anybody else, citing (almost) not having enough candidates listed to fill the seats they won as a proof.
And he wasn't alone, several Pirate candidates repeatedly stated how they were "baff" (perplexed) or "still a bit in shock" in view of their success.

I also have no problem with Künast claiming they gained the most as those gains and losses are calculated in comparison to the last state election in 2006 and the Pirates weren't yet on the ballot back then.
If you say the Pirates gained 6% to reach their 9%, you're comparing their result today to the 3% they got in Berlin during the last national election in 2009, i.e. you're comparing apples and oranges because
a) people vote differently in state and national elections and
b) the gains and losses of the other parties were based on the results of a different election.
Yeah, technically the Pirates gained the most since they went from nothing to 9%, but I don't blame her for ignoring the n00bs when the main intent is to show how they are more awesome than the sucktitide that's their traditional enemies or their (realistic) competitors when it comes to building the government.

HIP HIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435706)

EOM

"Pirate Party" is *not* about 'piracy' ! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37435732)

It's much more a technically aware party that does lots of things right where other 'conservative' parties just still behave like 40 years ago ..

For me the name 'Pirate' ist the worst part of the party, as this is probably why lots of people won't ever take them serious .. even if they have good ideas. (Just like the Chaos Computer Club (CCC)... )

And in the UK, in Luton (0)

treeves (963993) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435734)

Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel has won a seat for the Silly Party.

big win (5, Informative)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#37435780)

This is a huge win for the german Pirate Party, as it puts it on the radar of all the mainstream press, even those that tried to ignore it so far.

By this time tomorrow, everyone in Germany will have heard about the Pirate Party. That one of the old, established parties has been decisively kicked from parliament (~2% of the votes, with 5% being required to enter parliament) only strengthens this perception, as the Pirate Party is called a "replacement" in some circles - the party kicked out is the Liberal party, which aside from being strictly capitalistic also used to ride on the tickets of things like freedom, liberty, individualism - stuff that is close to the Pirates as well.

Also, the PP has gotten through other important barriers straight away: They're officially a faction, with all the rights (an office in the parliament building, etc.) of the old parties. It will be receiving campaign money (Germany has a system where the parties receive tax money to cover their expenses during the campaigns, based on the number of votes they got, but you need a certain amount to receive any at all. The purpose of the system is to make sure not only the rich can afford campaigns, and parties don't need to rely on contributions from lobbyists/companies/etc. to campaign).

Re:big win (2)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436138)

I'm hoping that stuff like this means saner candidates and third-party candidates will have a better shot in the 2012 elections in the States.

Re:big win (1)

mcelrath (8027) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436670)

Unlikely. For comparison, the threshold for getting a party into congress is 50% compared to Germany's 5%. Second, we have no such enlightened system of using tax money to fund campaigns, we prefer our congressmen to be bought. Investing in the underdog is not a good business strategy. These two things, which generally go under the headings "electoral reform" and "campaign finance reform" require constitutional amendments. It's unlikely in the extreme that 2/3 of the sitting congresspeople will vote for such a thing. They are, however, the most important things the US government needs to prevent the long slow decline and corruption of its democracy.

The circus in the USA will continue apace.

Re:big win (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436692)

When has the US ever cared about European political systems? Here in Europe parties come and go, merge and split all the time while the US has ignored it for well over 100 years. If I was a bookmaker I'd give lower odds on a muslim ladyboy becoming President than a third party getting any power. The whole system is rigged that way and both parties love it because they can never "lose", the voters will pass the ball between them but they always return in a few years.

Re:big win (1)

jessejj (1773304) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436350)

It will be receiving campaign money (Germany has a system where the parties receive tax money to cover their expenses during the campaigns, based on the number of votes they got, but you need a certain amount to receive any at all. The purpose of the system is to make sure not only the rich can afford campaigns, and parties don't need to rely on contributions from lobbyists/companies/etc. to campaign).

Oh neat. We have that in Canada. Well not for long, as it's on the newly elected majority government's top agenda to be ridden of.

Arrr, matey (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436130)

This be happenin' on a most auspicious day, me hearties! Haul anchor!

[2011-09-19 00:17 local time]

Singularity party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436190)

So will the pirate party become the Singularity Party. Or will it happen before the politicians even notice at (endogenously to the planet perhaps)?

Libertarian (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436266)

Pirate Party is basically libertarian.

Here is from wiki:

The party supports the preservation of current civil rights in telephony and on the Internet; in particular, it opposes the European data retention policies and Germany's new Internet censorship law called Zugangserschwerungsgesetz. It also opposes artificial monopolies and various measures of surveillance of citizens.

The party favors the civil right to information privacy and reforms of copyright, education, computer science and genetic patents.

It promotes in particular an enhanced transparency of government by implementing open source governance and providing for APIs to allow for electronic inspection and monitoring of government operations by the citizen.

It is aimed at minimizing government involvement into some specific areas, but anything that is aimed at minimizing government involvement is anti-establishment and may just be a special case of libertarian movement.

Re:Libertarian (2)

nzac (1822298) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436464)

That's a stretch. There is defiantly a mistrust of government and established corporations there but as to making any attempt to force libertarian values onto the citizens or change the role of the government I don’t really see it.

Increased privacy and government accountability and the destruction of IP monopolies are not really core political policies. I guess they might develop into libertarians but they could just as easily be a centrist (status quo) party with these views. I think the party core values is minimise the influence of corporations on the state and keeping a free internet and a part from that they would be fairly moderate.

Re:Libertarian (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436672)

The copyright and education reforms are aimed at creating and nurturing a public good (ie. knowledge), and privacy laws are directed at corporations at least as much as government institutions. Also, I have heard no Pirate argue for tax reductions on business.

While conservatives might label them as anarchist for their civil rights views, many self-styled libertarians in the US would therefore call them socialist. In other words, most of them are in the south-west quadrant on the Political Compass (which, keep in mind, is calibrated for the US, whose mainstream would be hard-right in Europe), though not at the extreme end of it. It would be inaccurate to call the Pirate Party a libertarian movement in the way that term is used in America.

Congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436362)

76 posts? Sad how /. has... well, anyway, I'd like to congratulate the Pirate Party on their big win. Good job guys. Maybe we can put something like this together for the American elections next year.

I cannot wait for the next Canadian election! (1)

Frederic54 (3788) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436370)

I will run as a candidate for sure, but it's in 3+ years :-/

Re:I cannot wait for the next Canadian election! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436528)

Unfortunately, the Canadians are the victims of the so-called "first past the post" riding system, which is very anti-democratic. This means you will have to pick your riding very carefully.

Now we have the support of the German people... (1, Funny)

Snufu (1049644) | more than 3 years ago | (#37436446)

Our first action will be a swift DDoS blitz of Poland. Don't worry about the French or English, they won't do anything about it.

One day before ITLAPD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37436482)

Tomorrow (September 19) is International Talk Like A Pirate Day (tm). Har maties! Ye auld pirates arr now running up ye auld skull and bones and taking the bootie (politician is a synonym for schwag bag).

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