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Diablo III Beta Begins

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the stay-awhile-and-listen dept.

Role Playing (Games) 102

dotarray writes "Diablo III really can't be that far off now. Blizzard has just announced that the closed beta test for the game has kicked off – meaning you can start checking your inboxes for an invitation now." The expanded Friends&Family test had been underway for a week or so, but now gaming sites are getting invitations. Of course, given the popularity of Diablo III, phishers are out in force with fake beta invites. For those who opted-in, the best way to check is to simply log in to your battle.net account. The beta is limited in terms of content — it only includes the first couple hours worth of play in Act 1 — but all five classes are available for play. There's no NDA, so plenty of commentary has sprung up already. Rock, Paper, Shotgun has early impressions of the Demon Hunter. Blizzard has also created a skill calculator for anyone who wants to play around with character builds ahead of time. The beta will be expanding in waves as they ramp up stability tests.

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Time to die! (4, Funny)

Deflatamouse (37653) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464672)

Alright! Another 3 years of my life is about to disappear!

Re:Time to die! (3, Funny)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464934)

Tell me about it... oh well, might as well quit my job now.

Re:Time to die! (1)

Ozeroc (1146595) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465802)

Lol! That was my favorite thing to make my Barbarian say in Diablo II... Yeah, I do foresee some late night gaming coming back into my life as well.

Re:Time to die! (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37472440)

soundchaosdebug! soundchaosdebug! players 8!

(I hope they have something like "players 8"... for those who don't know, it let you simulate multiple players in single player - eg the difficulty would ramp, making the game harder but giving you more rewards for it)

Not me! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465896)

DRM'd Network Only Activation? Nah, it's a bloody game, I don't need it and they, apparently, don't want to sell it.

Re:Not me! (2)

delinear (991444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466794)

Same here, I shelled out for an Alienware gaming laptop after barely playing PC games in the last 5 or so years, primarily to play D3 (I went for a laptop so I can have some portability when I'm away from home). After hearing the directions they're going with the game, I've cancelled my pre-order. I don't care if they want to protect their in game economy so they can farm players for cash (although I don't particularly agree with that either, since I think it'll take a lot of the fun out of drops and replace them with greed), but I do care that I can't do a little solo dungeon crawling without being jacked into their servers.

I'd love to play... (5, Funny)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464674)

... but I already gave both my wrists to Diablo and Diablo II. They are now RSI ridden husks, ready to be discarded and replaced with official Blizzard prosthetics.

While the body fails me, my mind -- sharpened in the Halls of the Blind and practiced at hunting for elusive pixels outlined with the tab key -- remembers is training well, ready to once again take arms against the forces of Hell.

Sometimes, when I sleep, all I can hear is the clicking of the mouse and the 1, 1, 1 of potions chain-quaffed in haste. The clicking, like the jaws and mandibles of a billion fiendish ants, coming to tear me limb from limb unless I find the last piece of Tal Rasha's Wrappings. ... and the Baal runs. Endless Baal runs, searching, always searching...

Now gaze ye upon my graveyard of Hardcore mode characters, mortal, and despair . Despair as I do when inspecting this broken, shattered life; a veteran of a digital war, a soldier of fictitious battles... ... stay a while, and listen.

Screw mod points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465744)

I wish the parent could have my babies!

Re:I'd love to play... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466050)

I can see what you see not,
Vision milky then eyes rot,
When you turn they will be gone,
Whispering their hidden song,
Then you see what cannot be,
Shadows move where light should be,
Out of darkness out of mind,
Cast out to the Halls of the Blind.

Re:I'd love to play... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37485592)

...my mind -- sharpened in the Halls of the Blind and practiced at hunting for elusive pixels outlined with the tab key -- remembers is training well...

I played the beta as part of the "Family & Friends" phase and I've got bad news for you pal. The TAB key didn't work that way! Sorry.

Over an hour of gameplay co-op footage (3, Informative)

SendBot (29932) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464676)

Huskystarcraft has a 4-part youtube series of co-op play. Great to watch if you don't have access to the beta yet! They play a wizard (so full of himself, it's great!) and witchdoctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoGQmKi0Iq0 [youtube.com] (1st part)

Re:Over an hour of gameplay co-op footage (1)

Bayoudegradeable (1003768) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466040)

Fellas, how about next time we turn off "Stream of Consciousness Dork Babble" for those of us who don't need to feel like we're in a WoW pug raid while watching amazing beta content of DIII.

Re:Over an hour of gameplay co-op footage (1)

SendBot (29932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469000)

Normally I'd agree with you, but I've been watching husky for a while and those two made me lol quite a bit. The go-to harry potter reference "I'm a WIZahd!" and ATHF reference "Chicken, arise!" they kept saying kept a grin on my face. I'd love to kick it with those guys and play games.

Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37464696)

Perhaps slashdot has changed and people aren't going to care, but it used to be about more than just playing games.

DON'T FORGET! Blizzard is the company that set the precedent for validity of EULAs (wow glider case), demanded real names on battle.net and sued an open source battle net clone out of existence.

IF YOU VALUE FREEDOM YOU CANNOT PLAY THIS GAME!

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (4, Insightful)

SendBot (29932) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464816)

I value my freedom to play some seriously fun games that take advantage of my slick 2011 hardware. They dropped the real names issue after all the outcry, by the way. Blizzard puts a lot of their name into the quality of their games, being unafraid to shelve a project with heavy investment if necessary. I'm not especially happy about the bnetd thing, but I do kind of appreciate that they make it difficult to operate a bot in WoW.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465782)

Difficult to operate a bot. Did we play the same game? Heck; i know people that have botted for years! Having accumulated a total wealth of over a -million- gold (done recently) now. Thats not making it difficult to operate a bot. Thats utterly failing to prevent them.

So is the local crack dealer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37464870)

But if I need a fix, there is just no finer digital crack than a Diablo game...

Screw the mouse, main line it baby!!!

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465288)

I bought Diablo II. I bought Lord of Destruction. The last time I played them was about 18 months ago - not bad for a game from 2001. I won't be buying Diablo II though. Blizzard's policy on aggressively tethering the game to their servers means that it's not of any interest to me. Fortunately for Blizzard, I'm sure a large chunk of their WoW players will disagree.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (4, Interesting)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465578)

Exactly. I haven't purchased Starcraft II and I don't plan on buying Diablo III. I've purchased every other game Blizzard made (save WoW expansions after I stopped playing years ago), but until they ditch the DRM, I'm done with them. Sadly, I don't think this is something Blizzards wants to do, but the DRM is most likely forced on them by Activision.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

ifrag (984323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466404)

the DRM is most likely forced on them by Activision

I dunno, people keep saying that and assuming it (and I've thought it myself) but I'm not really sure that's the way it is. Blizzard still has some of the older blood in it, and I really am starting to think they are on board with it. As far as Diablo III goes though, RMT has probably greatly encouraged them to go this direction. And people playing offline means nothing for trading revenue. The one thing that could make me more OK with the forced on-line aspect is if Blizzard provides frequent content updates and new areas. Even if they bundled it with some kind of micro transaction fee, something to keep the game fresh and re-playable. I keep looking back at Diablo II, but I really don't think I can get myself excited about *another Baal run* anymore.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466692)

There's no surer way to kill an online game than balkanization by releasing too many expansions. When people can't play together because they don't own the exact same expansions or DLCs, they'll say "fuck this" and move to a game that doesn't irritate them. And the publisher then scrambles to release a GOTY edition with all the add-ons, in hope to salvage pieces. But by then, a large part of the damage is already done.

A good game doesn't really need to always show the player something new. Familiarity is a lure in itself. Yes, you might get tired of raiding Bhaal for the hundredth time, but then again, you might also be working on perfecting your runs. People return to far simpler games than DII. I won't even try to estimate how many hours (and coins) I spent on certain arcade games, which were far more repetitive. Cause that weakness can be a game's biggest strength too.

Honestly, I fear this game will fail because they've jumped on the PORT+DRM+DLC bandwagon. The only thing missing are in-game mood breaking sales pitches[*] and gratuitous product placement[**].

[*]: "You are overburdened. For only $1.99, you can buy a storage expansion from the Blizzard store".
[**]: "Stay a while, have a Mountain Dew Vibrate(TM), and listen", "Beyer Health Potion" and "Stone of Nike Air Jordan".

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

benhattman (1258918) | about 3 years ago | (#37474750)

You're right. This new way is much better. Instead of deciding that 20,000 Baal runs is enough, Blizzard will just shut the service down and you won't even have the option to make another Baal run.

I absolutely used to love Blizzard. I had been looking forward to both Starcraft 2 and Diablo III for something like 10 years. I don't plan on buying either of them now.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (3)

Triv (181010) | more than 2 years ago | (#37468902)

So...you haven't bought a recent WoW expansion, or Starcraft II, and you won't be buying Diablo III.

In other words, you haven't bought a Blizzard game since, when? Diablo II? Brood War? You haven't bought a Blizzard game in something like ten years, and you're upset that the way games are played and the requirements for those games has changed out from under you? Do you still want your games only to be playable with the disc in the drive, too? Which, by the way, was as frowned upon back then as DRM is frowned upon now. Same stuff, different decade.

Get with the times, man.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471652)

With the disc, I can set up a virtual CD drive.

With the DRM server, I'm at the mercy of $GREEDY_CORP.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37473768)

I haven't purchased a Blizzard game in around 5 years, but I've purchased many others that don't fuck you in the ass with DRM. Blizzard used to be the epitome of great customer service and giving customers what they want - hell, I had a Starcraft disc get a mysterious burn mark on it and after one email to customer service, they sent me a replacement disc, no charge or questions asked. Now they only care about screwing the customer for more money.

Why do people bitch about needing a disc to play? It's not DRM because there's nothing limiting you from re-installing the game infinite times on infinite systems - it merely requires you to actually OWN the game to be able to play it. For the last decade I've been asking people like you the same question - is it really that hard to push a damn button and put a disc in the drive?

It is not even remotely the "same stuff". 50 years from now as long as I have functioning hardware, I can pop in my Warcraft disc from 1994 and it will work - 10 years from now you likely won't be able to play Starcraft II or Diablo III because they'll turn off the activation servers to pressure you to buy Starcraft III and Diablo IV. They are taking away your right to use the game you purchased whenever you want and to resell it to whoever you want. Just because you enjoy taking it up the ass and flushing your money down the toilet (most likely an allowance from Mommy and Daddy - people who work for their money generally care more about wasting it) doesn't mean that the rest of us should just bite down and wish they'd use some lube.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

SendBot (29932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469044)

I've purchased every other game Blizzard made...

I bet my super nintendo you never bought the lost vikings.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465832)

Absolutely. I destroyed more then 1 mouse playing Diablo I & II but their stance on Always On connection when 1 wants to play single player is something i Will NEVER stand for. I talk with my wallet here and so i'm turning away from Blizzard for the foreseeable future until they start respecting their Fans and customer.
Being treated like a thief I do not like

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37472478)

I bought Diablo II. I bought Lord of Destruction. ... I won't be buying Diablo II though

Say what?

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (2)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469770)

Oh shut up. Blizzard makes fantastic games. If you boycott them, you pretty much have to boycott every single company on the planet because they are all going to do something you don't approve of.
 
They backed off on the names thing (demanded...you are such a drama queen), WoW glider was a bot that people were using and then getting banned for using (it was a tool specifically made to break the rules and exploit one program, this isn't a general use thing like a p2p service), and the open source battle.net clone was used to circumvent Blizzard's cd check and allow pirates to play multiplayer together. These are all reasonable actions any corporation that cares about their produce would take.
 
On top of that, no one supports their games like Blizzard. They have a free online service and provided patches and support for games that are 10+ years old. That is really rare. So you have to look at the good they do too.
 
I value my freedom. So don't tell me how to spend my money. What a stupid thing to say any way. Blizzard is one of many game companies. Buying their games is not going to cause every company to be like them...whether you approve of them or not.

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37473654)

tl:dr - "I like shiny, to hell with right and wrong"

Re:Blizzard is evil, boycott if you have integrity (1)

Omestes (471991) | about 3 years ago | (#37474662)

Translation: You don't agree with my version of right and wrong, so nyah!

I will buy it. Yes, I don't agree with some of their policies and mechanics, and if they get annoying I will quit playing. My not agreeing with their policies doesn't make this some sort of holy nerd crusade, though. They aren't infringing on my "rights", and even if they were (they aren't), my buying the game doesn't personally force you to buy it.

Nor does having a handful of self-righteous nerds actually make a difference. The writing is already on the wall, and has been long before SCII or DIII, or Blizzard. Games will be wholly online. This is pretty much a fact. You depriving yourself of amusement won't change it, so why bother? I, personally, hate the idea of everything being online, but that is just my subjective opinion. But, in the end, its one silly little policy that won't actually harm my enjoyment at all. Sure, Blizz may go out of business someday (not likely soon), and I may be deprived of my Diablo 3 action. This would matter to me if we were talking about an expensive investment, and not a cheap, insignificant, game. Sure, it sucks, but it doesn't matter.

This leads me to my last point: if you can get really mad about a game, then you must not have much to get mad about. Really, this is worth all your nerdrage? Why not invest the energy in protesting and bitching about something that actually matters?

The game will come out, you will probably buy it eventually, you will enjoy it, and in three years no one will care one bit about this faux controversy, nor even probably remember it.

Won't be playing (0, Troll)

Squiddie (1942230) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464748)

The way they handled this game is idiotic. It's like they know they're about to run out of WoW stuff and now they need another cash cow.

Re:Won't be playing (2)

SendBot (29932) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464800)

I'm not sure what you're talking about unless that's a reference to online-only play. I like they way they've handled co-op loot, not having to click on gold, a cauldron that magically turns your crap into gold (saving you a trip to town), and a lot of other little niceties that make it look VERY fun to play and a worthy sequel. Not to mention it looks amazing.

Whether or not they need another cash cow (spoiler: they don't), this most certainly will be one.

Re:Won't be playing (1)

CowboyHank (2402342) | more than 3 years ago | (#37465010)

Personally I'm disgusted they're giving every skill to every class, you no longer select them and build your own guy...every guy will be the same if what I've read is correct.

Re:Won't be playing (3, Insightful)

Rebelgecko (893016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465148)

Check out the skill calculator in the summary. There's a lot of different possibilities (Unless I screwed my math up, something like 170,000,000 combinations of skills/runes JUST for the barbarian class. The other classes look about the same give or take a few million combos). Obviously some combinations will be better than others, and even the "best" build will be pretty situational for a given class depending on what you're doing and your playstyle. Personally, I like how they're allowing some more flexibility with abilities by getting rid of skill trees and allowing you to change what skills you have relatively painlessly. When I played Diablo II, I spent a bunch of time leveling a druid, only to realize after I'd played for dozens of hours that my I had allocated my skill points stupidly, and there wasn't anything I could do about it other than make a new character or deal with it.

Re:Won't be playing (1)

goarilla (908067) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465764)

There are 3rd party character editors which can reset your skill points.
We used to use the hero editor http://www.moddb.com/games/diablo-2/downloads/hero-editor-full-v-096 [moddb.com] for this.

Re:Won't be playing (1)

simp7264 (465544) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469878)

Good luck using that character editor on a Battle.net character. Having built in character respecs is needed. 3rd party hacking tools don't cut it. I do hear this has actually changed in a recent D2 patch, but I havn't played in a good 2 years myself.

Re:Won't be playing (1)

Whorhay (1319089) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469676)

They implemented a way to respec your skills in the last year or two. I don't know if it applies just to Ladder or not since that's all I play. But when you finish the cave quest in chapter 1 it opens up a respec option with Akara in the Rogue Encampment similiar to Larzuk's Socket quest. So you get three respeccs essentially for free now. And several of the Act bosses drop special essences which can be combined in your cube to make a respec token, which means you can respec to your hearts content so long as you can farm or trade for enough essences or emblems.

Rumour has it PRESS ONLY at this stage. (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 3 years ago | (#37464858)

Keep that in mind guys, it's not open for everyone yet - nor is it even closed for random invites. - So don't bother losing your marbles or logging in to bnet / email to check.

Don't have an ETA when but obviously soon, my wild guess - maybe another 3 to 7 days.

Re:Rumour has it PRESS ONLY at this stage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37464942)

Keep that in mind guys, it's not open for everyone yet - nor is it even closed for random invites. - So don't bother losing your marbles or logging in to bnet / email to check.

Don't have an ETA when but obviously soon, my wild guess - maybe another 3 to 7 days.

I believe the first round of random invites is going to go out later today (September 21st) between 9 and 5.

Re:Rumour has it PRESS ONLY at this stage. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465352)

Friends and Family beta was a week or two ago, they were allowed to stream the beta.

Press (e.g., Day9) also received beta accounts a week or two ago, but were under NDA and could not stream gameplay.

Closed beta invites are out, and the NDA has been lifted from the press as of tonight. For interesting commentary, I recommend checking out Day9 or HuskyStarcraft's (no-longer-live-but-recorded) streams.

Day9 Solo Gameplay & Commentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thGq2G2aGXo

Husky9 Coop Gameplay & Commentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoGQmKi0Iq0

Re:Rumour has it PRESS ONLY at this stage. (1)

twoallbeefpatties (615632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37468072)

I watched the stream from the Day9 site the other night. Best line of the night, while playing the witch doctor:

"OH ****, KILL IT WITH FROGS"

JESUS FUCK MAN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37464964)

Diablo II just barely came out! Let's us fucking enjoy it at least.

Betacolypse (1)

wye43 (769759) | more than 3 years ago | (#37465024)

The end is here, no more "sign of beta" [urbandictionary.com] .

Hide the children and women! The Betacolypse [tinypic.com] is upon us all!

Don't check your inbox. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37465110)

i've already won ten million dollars in the British lottery and may need to see a doctor about how large my penis has become, she wants me so badly.
on top of that, my battle.net account has been under investigated for ilegal actions and i need to login to hackmyaccount.ru/battle.net-account/ and click the "i am the owner of the account shown below" button so they don't ban my diablo 3 beta trial key and prevent me from claiming my free winged zebraconponycar.

blizzard keeps telling me not to click links in emails, but just to login to my battle.net account to see if i've got a beta invite, but heck the link looks so inviting..

If you don't get an invite right away (2)

dbet (1607261) | more than 3 years ago | (#37465128)

Keep checking. Blizzard staggers their beta invites so that different people are at different stages of play. If you don't get one today you may in a week or a month.

Re:If you don't get an invite right away (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 2 years ago | (#37467142)

They only do this for WoW, so areas are not clogged with people all doing the same quests. D3 is not like that. The only reason why they might not release them all at the same time it to stop their servers being trashed by people downloading the game. With the download being peer-to-peer (optional) I don't really see this as being an issue either.

They don't need to stress-test their servers, so they won't need to increase the numbers to breaking point. That's why the F&F alpha/beta was so short too.

Re:If you don't get an invite right away (1)

SendBot (29932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469104)

From what I understand they're starting out small with the beta invites because they want to make it more stable before inviting in more people. It would make sense that they're only inviting people with certain hardware configurations or high status. Imagine how unhelpful it would be to them if droves of people started saying how unstable it is, even for the first beta release.

Single Play Requires Online Connection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465200)

Diablo III is borked too badly for me to be interested.

Eleven years of gaming evolution? (4, Insightful)

Phaid (938) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465216)

I just checked out the video from HuskyStarcraft [youtube.com] , and I guess I must be missing something. Aside from the DRM that forces you to be online to play, and the fact that they censor your character names, how is this an improvement over Diablo 2? It looks like exactly the same game, just at a higher resolution.

Way back in the WoW beta, I remember fantasizing about Blizzard making a Diablo III using some of WoW's technology. By which I meant the best of both worlds, a game that looks and plays like WoW but set in the darker Diablo universe with single player and LAN play. Instead, we get basically the worst of both worlds, a dated look and feel saddled with unnecessary online requirements. Next.

Re:Eleven years of gaming evolution? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37465520)

How does one discern the feel of a game without actually playing it?

You check out a video. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466178)

That is how you discern the feel of a game without actually playing it.

Re:You check out a video. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37478240)

No, that's how you discern the art of a game without playing it.

Re:Eleven years of gaming evolution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466320)

"A game that looks and plays like WoW" ... is WoW. Diablo is an exciting series specifically because it ISN'T World of Warcraft. It's one of the reasons I'm intrigued - WoW holds no interest to me. I've tried it three times and usually uninstalled way before the free trial was over. As for the looks I'm actually somewhat sad it's gone away from 2D but that won't be enough to deter me from picking up D3.

It's the only PC game I've really ever gotten into (save for Fallout 1 and 2) so I'm ramped up. Also, if you haven't played it, how do you know what the 'feel' of the game is like anyway? Weird statement there.

Re:Eleven years of gaming evolution? (1)

SendBot (29932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469170)

... I guess I must be missing something. Aside from the DRM that forces you to be online to play, and the fact that they censor your character names, how is this an improvement over Diablo 2?

A quick list of what I saw:
- no longer have to click on gold to pick it up, just run next to it
- in co-op mode loot drops and becomes visible to players individually. No more "community loot"
- same for shrines... one player can't just take em all
- the cauldron that magically recycles your crap into gold so you don't have to keep running back to town to sell it and empty your bags
- a box that does something similar, but functions like "disenchanting" in wow. not sure what you do with the materials just yet
- pretty contemporary graphics :)

Re:Eleven years of gaming evolution? (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469840)

Blizzard borrows concepts from all of their games and uses them in other. I expect to see some of the things they learned from WoW applied here.
 
I don't really get your logic though. If you love the previous games, then the best possible outcome is they give it better graphics, improve some of the mechanics, and give you a new story. The worst outcome is if they do a crazy overhaul of the whole system and make it totally not like diablo.

Once upon a time... (3, Interesting)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465258)

...I was very interested in Diablo III, but it's been so many years that in the meantime, life happened to me, I grew up, and lost interest in spending my time playing online video games. Diablo I and II were a lot of fun, but it's hard to muster the enthusiasm for stuff like this as I've gotten older.

Re:Once upon a time... (1)

felipekk (1007591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37465806)

Heresy!

Re:Once upon a time... (2)

thejynxed (831517) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466006)

I feel that way about console games.

PC games however, they will pry from my decrepit old fingers after I die.

If you don't have the enthusiasm anymore, it could be because you've been brainwashed into acting like some else's definition of an adult.

PETER PAN DAMMIT.

Re:Once upon a time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466316)

Yeah, I've noticed this happening to me also. It's somehow gotten more difficult start a new game.

I still enjoy gaming while getting high though.

Re:Once upon a time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466908)

Instead you come to Slashdot and post comments about those games. ? : )
I don't have time to play much myself, but the Diablo series was a notch above most everything else. Not in depth or complexity but simple quick and easy enjoyment.

Re:Once upon a time... (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37468118)

I liked D2 and D1, D3 however too many policies I don't like, 1. attempt to stop goldfarming/selling of 3rd parties by..... integrating it into the game as a feature. AKA in game real world cash auction house. Kinda reminds me of when perfect world entertainment eliminated bot problems in ethersaga by, adding an in game botting mechanism as a standard gameplay mechanic.

DRM, nuff said

Anti moding, anti offline or lan playing... WTF seriously, The moding community is what made d2 so great. it isn't that hard to allow both to be implimented but seperate. I really am baffled by bliz's new policies against allowing the players to add more value to their games at no cost to themselves. Starcraft 2 had the same stupidity (If you create maps, you can only make a couple, before YOU HAVE TO PAY BLIZZARD, to make more maps.... uh.... what? When a user makes content for a game, the gaming companies should be praising them, and noting the possibility that that fan who did the work, may have earned them a few more sales. Not punishing them by either forbidding it outright, or charging them for the honor of helping them add value to the game.

Re:Once upon a time... (1)

Lunzo (1065904) | more than 2 years ago | (#37474142)

I think you're right about Blizzard underestimating the appeal of user content. I bought Warcraft III back in the day just to play DotA. The single player campaigns were a bonus.

Re:Once upon a time... (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469856)

Right, that's why you are posting in the games section of Slashdot. Because you "grew up" and don't have time for it now.

Sh*t up you little SC sissies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466170)

Oh memories of these hardcore level nineties chars... Remember losing some madly staffed hardcore chars to some nasty modded minions etc. Also remember my heart beating hard when *nearly* losing some of my favorite characters.

Remember my self-cubed "+251 poison" small charm "pestilous of pestilence" or something like that. People in the trade window would get *mad* and offer me crazy stuff for that one.

Ah, these were the non-productive but oh-so-much-fun days.

I hope there's still a hardcore mode. Because softcore, like WoW, is for clueless sissies.

Softcore ain't the same game. Shut up, you're not allowed to talk here if you were playing softcore.

Re:Sh*t up you little SC sissies! (2)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466296)

Normal sex without testicle injuries, like softcore diablo, is for clueless sissies.

Normal sex ain't the same game. Shut up, you're not allowed to talk here unless you get your balls stomped on and ruptured at some point during the act.

Deal breaker (5, Insightful)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466256)

The game looks good, but I can't buy it. I travel regularly and I don't always have an internet connection available. Always on connection for single player is a deal breaker.

I will wait for Torchlight 2

Re:Deal breaker (1)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466668)

Same here. I was greatly anticipating it until the always connected single player stuff was revealed. I will not be purchasing it now.

Re:Deal breaker (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469272)

I'm not getting it because of my battle.net 2.0 experience with StarCraft 2.

And I nearly considered putting a deposit down for Diablo 3 when I picked up SC2, too. Little did I know it would become a huge clusterf*** of small print and other crap that basically ruined all the enjoyment out of SC2. I was so bad I considered just break out the stuff from the SC2 Collector's Edition I had and putting it on eBay to recover some of the money back.

It got resolved eventually (a month after release) at which point I gave up and played other games (SC2 was to tide me to Halo Reach. In the end, I ended up playing 3 levels in SC2, and a lot of indie games).

Sorry, been there done that. Not gonna risk another good game ruined by the crap that is battle.net support and other hiding behind fine print.

Re:Deal breaker (2)

discord5 (798235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471340)

Little did I know it would become a huge clusterf*** of small print and other crap that basically ruined all the enjoyment out of SC2

It got resolved eventually (a month after release) at which point I gave up and played other games

Let me guess, you named your profile "Poopfist" for the single player campaign and didn't get to change it anymore?

That was a "feature" I personally remember fondly. My rather obscene profile name violated the Terms Of Service. :-)

Should People Really Be Checking Their In Box? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37466386)

Um, 95% of the stuff from Blizzard in your In Box is pure phishing scams. People shouldn't be clicking on any links in their In Boxes at all. They should be visiting Battle.net and logging into their account to check and see if the beta is on their account. Please people, do not assume that invite in your In Box is actually from Blizzard or that the link actually points to the download. Chances are it doesn't.

Re:Should People Really Be Checking Their In Box? (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 2 years ago | (#37467240)

I most certainly have better things to be doing than checking bnet every few hours. My email, for example. I got my Cataclysm beta invite in my inbox, my WotLK invite too. Both were authentic. Now I still don't know if the links were right, only an idiot clicks on the links, but checking your inbox, just for the prompt to check bnet is definitely worthwhile.

Diablo 3 (3, Insightful)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37466638)

I'm not interested in Diablo 3, unless I can play off and online like Diablo 1 or 2. I'll stick with Minecraft, at least the worlds are fresh when I put a new seed in and there's more seeds then I'll ever see in my life time. Bonus, Minecraft runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Thats where I'll put my money in to companies who produce things like that.

Torchlight 2 (2)

amaupin (721551) | more than 2 years ago | (#37467582)

Count me among the thousands of diehard Diablo fans who won't be buying D3 because the player is forced to always be connected to the internet to play, even in single player "offline" mode. That's ridiculous. It's an affront to all logic and decency. But I fully expect Torchlight 2 to scratch the "click for loot" itch - the first Torchlight was a blast and the second one is going to be bigger, better, and even more of a blast.

Re:Torchlight 2 (1)

geraud (932452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37468004)

You're not a diehard fan. Face the truth, you're not even at fan level. The fact that you even think of this tiny detail proves it.

Re:Torchlight 2 (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470000)

Did I travel back in time? Is it 1990? Do people not always have a connection to the Internet on their home PC these days? I get people who travel not liking this and some people in extremely rural locations. But the vast majority of people have no problem playing WoW or other online games so I don't see how this is such a big deal.
 
I honestly think you guys hang out in Slashdot too much. To be cool and gain points you have to reiterate the same thing everyone else says. You are going to miss out on a great game because the groupthink on Slashdot tells you to think that all games should have no DRM and not require an Internet connection? Even wen you have a computer always connected to the Internet? I mean, for a tech site, you guys are freaking weird. Slashdot is now for Amish tech geeks. You like tech as long as it isn't Blizzard, Sony, Microsoft, etc. Nevermind that Nintendo and Apple do things equally as evil...they are ok because they are not mainstream. Yeah, you are totally tech hipsters. Lame.

Re:Torchlight 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471014)

I'm with you with the "you guys hang out in /.", but you know what? The other week I had internet failure for two days. It sucks, working from home. I could get stuff done (thanks Linus for git!") but I couldn't play the games I wanted on Steam. I accidentally opened them as usual, which requires a network connection, and when I cancelled and tried the offline mode it said something along the lines of "please connect first". Well, that's crap.

It's at those points in time, when you just want to play single player where you think "fuck it". I ended up playing master of orion 1 in a dosbox, but still, not being able to finish that level I left in the middle made me a little bit angry at the fact that I'm not a pirate, I pay for a game, and I can't play it at all when I want.

I would get angry if every time I picked up the car I had to "renew a security token to validate my driving license". Shit happens, all the time, more so with internet connections, and you don't mind until it hits you full force.

Re:Torchlight 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471290)

I never played D2 on battlenet. Back in college when they were just rolling out ethernet to the dorms, the internet pipe was congested like $LOCAL_CONGESTED_HIGHWAY and "internet" access was functionally about 64baud. So I'd join directly to a friend's session. Sometimes even in the same physical rooms using RFC 1918 addresses. Or I'd just fire up single player and play around with d2edit and look at all the crazy things I could cheatingly create and get chuckles with as I'd tear through the cows. And no matter what happens in the future, I can dust off that CD and use my key and install it. (Assuming Win 10's Retro interface supports it) Or more realistically now I have Torchlight, get my fix from there.

I was excited about D3 and looked forward to burning through an Intellimouse Explorer 3 on it but now..... I just don't care for the extra hoops Blizzard are imposing. Diablo was always offline from the b.net perspective, and WoW was always online. I never played WoW. Never wanted to. Now with D3 I *have* to use it? For single player? No, I just dont care. I travel for work now and hotel internet isnt exactly high speed. So I'll just go to a bar instead. Not that Blizard cares what I think, theyre actually making a good game that many people will enjoy greatly. But not me. Chalk it up to being older and jaded I guess.

Re:Torchlight 2 (1)

crono_deus (796899) | more than 2 years ago | (#37472114)

Sure, I have internet at home, but I'm not guaranteed to have internet on a road trip, on a plane, at a random bookstore, on vacation, or one of a dozen other places where I'm liable to have plenty of free time and the desire to play a game.

I ran into this situation with StarCraft II recently. I had a 15 hour flight to Dubai a few weeks ago on a plane with power in the seats and was actually looking forward to the trip because it meant I could play through some of the challenge missions and against the AI. On the way back, though, something snapped -- I'm still not sure what happened -- and SCII refused to let me play offline at all, saying that I needed an active internet connection to access even the challenges.

Needless to say, I was a little annoyed. I'd like for that not to be the case with Diablo III, especially considering the game lends itself much better to single-player mode on planes than StarCraft II ever did. However, since it sounds like I'll not be able to play the game at all on plane rides, well, I'm serious reconsidering whether I should buy it or not.

Re:Torchlight 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37473366)

Look up people's experiences with C&C IV. People playing on wireless were booted out of the game because of poor wifi connections in their own homes, that they had never noticed before--other games worked fine. If this is just as militant about the constant connection--where latency and ping drops are an issue--then it will be unplayable even with a relatively constant connection.

Re:Torchlight 2 (1)

benhattman (1258918) | about 3 years ago | (#37474818)

Since when is it unreasonable to complain about an arbitrary limitation put on a product for the sole purpose of making the user's experience worse? DIII may be great, but if people don't like being tracked, or knowing the game will go "offline" at some point, and they decide the only way to make their voice heard is by not purchasing the product, who are you to tell them they are in the wrong? Different kinds of evil set off different kinds of folks. Get used to it.

Re:Torchlight 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37475306)

No, but a vast majority of us play on devices that are NOT connected to the internet or that would cost us an arm and a leg to play. Could you imagine how much it would cost to play an hours worth on Verizon's tethering plan? Hell, the 2 gig limit would be maxed at half a dungeon. People don't always play on their home PCs.

Re:Torchlight 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37481764)

You're a tool.
Why should I be required to drop money on an internet connection to play their game?

Unemployment is still very high, and there are plenty of families looking to cut costs.
There are even people who *gasp* can't afford high speed internet anyways, but might be able to part with the one time cost of D3, so they can play on their .gov provided computer!

And then you've got stuff like outages.
Sure, I have a 12 MB pipe at my home, but outages aren't unheard of.
So now the internet is down for me...and I can't play my shiny new D3 as a result. Weak.

There was a time when if you bought a PC game, you owned a physical copy, could play when you wanted (and where you wanted if you had a laptop), didn't have all your activity tracked, and didn't have ads shoved in your face.
Hell, SC and D1 even let you install spawns on friends machines, so you could LAN party it up, and only had to buy 1 copy!
Awesome!
THAT is how Blizz got the reputation they have.
By doing awesome stuff, and catering to their customer; not raping them.

Forcing players into bullshit online only crap is only going to alienate those of us who still understand why we don't need big brother having his hands everything.
For the generation sheeple, who buckle and give in so they can get their crack pellet, and be part of the herd, I feel pity.

Blizz, and all the other developers pushing this type of thing, can kiss my ass.
I'll look to the indie developers, who aren't frightened pussies about their product being used outside the scope of what they can monitor.

hope they apply this engine to other games (2)

PJ6 (1151747) | more than 2 years ago | (#37467620)

Imagine the Diablo III engine applied to an Avatar: The Last Airbender video game, where you could control the 5 main characters all at once a-la the original Dungeon Siege, and go off with one or two at a time on sub-quests. And all the voice acting and cut scenes were done by the original cast and writers, with a lot of story mixed in unobtrustively. And you have like, 80 abilities for each element class. And 'leveling' is very much based in your own skill. Blizzard + Nickelodeon... I would love to see them collaborate.

Wine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37468082)

Has anybody playing the demo tried it in wine? I will consider purchasing it if it works, otherwise I'll pass.

No thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37468172)

I'll keep my money, you can keep your DRM.

Will have to think on it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37468726)

While I'm not pissed about the always online requirement as some seem to be, I have to be cautious because I tend to have troubles with my internet connection. I'm not entirely sure if it's my provider, the modem they gave me, or my router. I restart both the router and the modem two or three times a week, sometimes more than once a day. I think this will be frustrating and honestly may spoil the game if kills my character often.

NoDiablo (2)

NoDiablo (2466840) | more than 2 years ago | (#37468820)

I've put together NoDiablo.com [nodiablo.com] for people-who-would-like-to-but-won't buy Diablo 3 because of the "MMO" additions to the game : the always-connected requirement, lack of LAN play, no mods and the real-money Auction House. I think we can understand why Blizzard's doing it — trying to control the environment to cut down on cheating and adding aggressive DRM to stop piracy — but it's an overly ambitious and unnecessary solution they came up with. The MMO additions don't add real value to the way most people want to play Diablo. It feels like their programmers had the funds to come up with their "dream environment" and they got carried away, focusing on their own "what ifs" rather than asking "what do our customers want?" As far as I can tell, for some people cheating was a real problem in Diablo 2, but only when playing online with strangers. Maybe those players complained loudly and it's all Blizzard heard, I don't know. But most gamers don't seem to think that playing online with strangers is Diablo's core gameplay, so how much of an issue was this really? Enough to justify the changes to the game? Or is Blizzard using this as an excuse to take more control and bring in a few more bucks?

Not sure how much of a chance we have of changing things at this point, but if the MMO additions have made you decide not to buy Diablo 3, please consider lending your support at http://www.nodiablo.com [nodiablo.com]

Re:NoDiablo (2)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470168)

There is no chance. I am not trying to be mean, but you are wasting your time. From a programming stand point, all that stuff is so integrated in to the system at this point for the Beta to be even functional, that it would take months if not years and millions of dollars for them to change course. Maybe could convince them to not have a real-money auction house...but that would just mean they wasted all the effort of coding in the payment system for it. You are best just moving on to Torchlight 2.

Re:NoDiablo (1)

NoDiablo (2466840) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471644)

I suppose that might be one reason they sprang it on us when they did and not earlier. Perhaps — *gasp* — they never wanted our input to begin with. :) How respectful.

Best case scenario, they have some sort of secret emergency plan for removing the always-online requirement for single-player games. Move the missing code down to the client. But even if that were possible, it wouldn't happen fast, or soon. By that point, they've made their billions and they've essentially "won" with their DRM and other nonsense.

So, yeah, perhaps we can't do much here, but I hate not doing anything. Sending a message to other game makers might be enough. Supporting Torchlight 2 instead of Diablo 3 is a good, positive way to send a message to Blizzard, but be sure to visit nodiablo.com [nodiablo.com] and let us know about your decision, or tell Blizzard yourself.

Re:NoDiablo (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37473348)

I'm a blizzard fan, so will get it for sure. Probably the collector's edition. I have no issues with having an always on connection and no LAN...since I have had LAN parties with 8 people and had no problem playing with my friends like that. SC2 was probably the best single player campaign I have ever played. But I understand how some can see it differently. I just think people on her overreact to everything.

Re:NoDiablo (1)

ildon (413912) | about 3 years ago | (#37478266)

They have the input of the millions of people who purchased SC2. They looked at the data of who actually used the limited offline mode and realized it was a waste of development time.

Re:NoDiablo (1)

discord5 (798235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471666)

Not sure how much of a chance we have of changing things at this point, but if the MMO additions have made you decide not to buy Diablo 3, please consider lending your support at http://www.nodiablo.com/ [nodiablo.com]

To quote Bender:

hahahahahhaha

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry man, best of luck with the website though.

Path of Exile will be better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469244)

I'm in closed beta right now (a real one, not a marketing, so I can't say much more than what's already public on their website). Suffice it to say, these guys kick serious butt and the game should be superior to anything I've seen from D3 videos (I'm sure D3 will have better cut scenes, those were the only truly good part of D2 btw).

Oh and Path of Exile is free to play.

Check your battle.net account, not inbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469516)

For those worried about phishing attacks or not noticing your beta confirmation you can simply log into your battle.net account and see if you have a beta code / access to the download.

Much easier and safer ten trying to depend on receiving an email.

Real-Money Auction House (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471470)

On top of the DRM, Diablo 3 will have an optional REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE which will further push the security of their game environment! Blizzard really wants to make some bank from people endlessly harvesting and selling items for real money! They even announced an alliance with Paypal to let you dump your balance in your Paypal account! Unfortunately, people will most certianly buy in-game items for real money just like they do now via 3rd parties!

Online no biggie 4 me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37472126)

Same deal with being connected as with Star Craft 2. I wasn't thrilled at first, but now that I've played hundreds of hours of addictive fun play, the $50 was very well spent.

Crimson Alliance (1)

Slider451 (514881) | more than 2 years ago | (#37472264)

Check out Crimson Alliance, available through Xbox Live Arcade for 1200 pts ($15). Action RPG in the vein of Gauntlet, Torchlight and Diablo. The best part: 4-player couch/online co-op. I'm playing it with my two younger boys. $15 is a great deal when we can all play together on the same box.

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