Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

HP Begins Laying Off WebOS Developers, Potentially Firing CEO

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the obama-weeps-gently dept.

HP 178

MrCrassic writes "Looks like it might be the beginning of the end for webOS presence at HP, as The Register announced that they laid off 525 webOS developers." From the article: "HP is laying off up to 525 staff from its global webOS hardware biz, according to reports. The tech titan confirmed last month it is shuttering the unit that produced the ill-fated TouchPad and Pre3 devices. 'As communicated on 18 August, HP will discontinue the development of webOS devices within the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2011, which ends 31 Oct 2011,' an HP spokesperson told AllThingsD in the US." So far it looks like just the hardware designers are being let go. The HP board happens to be meeting today, possibly to discuss firing the current CEO for failing to improve the company's financial prospects.

cancel ×

178 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Tech support personnel (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469058)

Would it be possible to lay those off too and replace them with IT people?

Re:Tech support personnel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469070)

No

Re:Tech support personnel (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469582)

Depends how many well qualified IT people you can find who will work for not-much-more-than-minimum wage in a call centre. If you find them, I bet HP would hire them.

Re:Tech support personnel (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469772)

They have, and they're in Costa Rica amd India (although Indian labor is getting too expensive for HP).

Re:Tech support personnel (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469914)

How about not paying them minimum wage, but ya even I laugh at that. On that note HP's PR needs improvement before I go finding them a single IT person, how about a IPS display? :)

Re:Tech support personnel (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469796)

But they are! They had 2 hours of training and a crib sheet to ask from top to bottom, note down answers and if they can't answer your question (ok, ok, when they finally reach the end of the sheet and can't ask anything anymore) they promise you a return call.

What else do you expect?

Re:Tech support personnel (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469902)

I expected to have the full two weeks of training to goof off.

Re:Tech support personnel (2, Insightful)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469836)

WAIT! hp has employees other than management? I thought the entire company was nothing but contract personnel that they laid off one week a year to satisfy the laws about putting contractors in permanent positions. Perhaps they were required to retain the Palm staff as employees for x number of days...

I've resigned myself to the fact... (4, Insightful)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469064)

...that nothing they do makes any sense.

Just adjust your assumptions (0)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469142)

Get rid of:
The assumption that they are trying to make the most money for shareholders.
Want a sustainable and growing business.

Instead look a human nature. The primary sin being vanity.
Assume the word "I" in double bold capital letters is the most important word in the universe. Assume it's about personal aggrandisement, power etc.

Life will start to make more sense to you.

Re:Just adjust your assumptions (2)

cartman (18204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470850)

Instead look a human nature. The primary sin being vanity... Assume the word "I" in double bold capital letters is the most important word in the universe. Assume it's about personal aggrandisement, power etc... Life will start to make more sense to you.

I think it's more likely that Apotheker is just incompetent as a CEO, and he made mistakes.

His incentives are at least somewhat aligned with those of the company. He is paid primarily in options. If HP makes a big profit then his options are worth a lot, he makes tons of money, he is seen as a successful CEO, he continues on in his powerful role, etc.

How does it help his vanity, or power, or personal aggrandisement, to make these silly decisions and then be fired from HP for failing to increase its profits?

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (1)

christoofar (451967) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469154)

Since Leo Apotheker is there now, you can pretty-much bank on it.

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (4, Insightful)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469446)

They haven't done anything that made sense since they acquired that pile of crap Compaq.

I'm wondering if the CEO will actually be fired, or just given another ridiculous golden handshake like was given to Carly Fiorina

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (1)

Windows Breaker G4 (939734) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469868)

The people who got the best deal out of the Compaq deal was compaq dealers. How do I know? I worked for one! They sell to public sector and man to go from installing compaq (They were so proud they made the state "A Compaq State!") to installing HP, they looked so good.

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (4, Interesting)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469684)

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471380)

You know, Leo even looks like Trollface in that picture. Is he just sinking his company for the lulz? Makes more sense than most explanations.

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469696)

Things were actually coming together quite nicely under Hurd. I have to say though that the last 6-9 months have been a more fascinating trainwreck than anything Fiorina produced. Quite frankly, I have the strong suspicion that at this point, it's not only the CEO and the executive team that's at fault, but that the board of directors had just as much of a hand in screwing up HP as anybody else. The amount of nonsensical decisions that have come out of Cupertino is just too large to be the product of just one person.

Little detail, but... (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471348)

Apple HQ = Cupertino
HP HQ = Palo Alto

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (2)

Jon_S (15368) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471374)

Cupertino, Palo Alto, whatever. It's all the same if you've ever been there.

Re:I've resigned myself to the fact... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471126)

I honestly think that this -- all this -- "exiting the PC market", Mark Hurd, massively bewildering layoffs and hires, the $99 touchpad, bringing suit against Oracle -- all this started as nothing short of an intricate plot -- concocted and executed at the very highest echelons of the HP board of directors itself -- a clandestine, concerted and conspiratorial diversionary tactic, I say, with a single, sole, and diabolical aim of convincing the world utterly that HP as a company had lost it wholesale and outright: that HP no longer had the least vestige of control over anyone or anything, not even reality itself: that, in short, the company no longer had the slightest glimmer of a clue what the fuck was going on.

Today I tell you that that plan succeeded. But at what cost, gentlemen. At what cost?

BeOS and Palm employees (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469086)

There must be some really good BeOS and Palm employees in there who made some really nice software but failed to make an impact, really sad that Leo who was at SAP for 18 years was put in charge of HP, which has a big hardware component. Leo wants to kill off the hardware and go corporate services.

Re:BeOS and Palm employees (1)

christoofar (451967) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469168)

Seems like every big HW mfg's wants to be an IBM Global Services. Does HP really want to give up that long-term cash flow to go chase its dreams? Maybe the shareholders can get rid of Leo before Leo gets rid of HP's future profitability.

Oh hell yes. (4, Insightful)

hellfire (86129) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469744)

Does HP really want to give up that long-term cash flow to go chase its dreams?

In a word, yes. In three words, oh hell yes.

PC hardware is a commodity market and it's a mess. The upside that anyone can build a PC these days is a double edged sword, because just about anyone can build a PC these days, and the ones that do it the cheapest are the ones who win out. Margins are razor thin. High end desktops are a rare purchase. Mid-range desktops are only sold mostly to businesses when they don't need a laptop. Laptops are losing out to iPads and Macbooks now, which are solid alternatives at comparable prices, AND have better quality on average. HP is not making gobs and gobs of profit on hardware, only Apple, Samsung and HTC seem to be able to do that at the moment. Sure they might bring in $100 million in revenue but it cost like $99 million to make that. The numbers are exaggerated of course but the point is that HP sees that their hardware business is not making as much profit as you think, and it's the profit that's important.

Look, IBM created the PC and it was their cash cow for years. They then established a business consulting branch to encourage people to buy their machines. Then Compaq came along and ate their lunch, and suddenly their cash cow went away. One day, someone realized "holy shit! Our consultants make more money than our hardware does. All we do is contract out the manufacturing work to some other bozo anyway, let's sell hardware and make consulting our new cash cow, and simply tell them to buy whatever hardware we feel like."

What's funny is when IBM did this, similar things happened economically then that are happening now. 2001, the dotcom bubble bursts, 3 years later IBM sells it's hardware to work business to business. 2008, housing market crashes and 3 years later, HP gets out of hardware. In both situations, the average household consumer is hit hard and hurting, median middle class wages are practically stagnant and not keeping up with inflation, but corporate profits continue to rise in both instances.

Follow the money, the money is in businesses paying businesses for business consulting to run their business more. Huge international companies selling to average consumers is folly compared to selling to business these days especially when all the money is in corporations and rich people's pockets (that's not some political slogan, that's just the truth). Sure HP could keep it's hardware, it's probably still profitable over all, but why work so hard at making a little money when you could work half as hard and still make a killing in business consulting?

Only one thing wrong with that (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470526)

IBM make very large, very fast, mainframes. They never got out of that business. And there is only so much consulting.

An example. Around 25 years ago, where I live, a farmer built a golf course on his land.
He made quite a lot of money, quite fast.
A few other farmers thought golf clubs were a good idea, and persuaded people to invest in them
For some reason, they didn't make much money. But other farmers saw the golf clubs and still thought it looked like easy money.
They built golf clubs.
Pretty soon some of the golf clubs were closing, and the early profitable ones didn't make much money any more.
I wonder why? Oh, it turns out that there is only a certain amount of demand for golf. When everyone can afford to play it, it has no social status any more.

Re:Only one thing wrong with that (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470638)

Eventually you'll be correct about your farmer story, but considering large businesses the world over are flush with cash, there's demand for consulting services. Currently it's a growth industry.

Re:BeOS and Palm employees (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469776)

Yeah, there could have been. In many ways OS X feels a lot like a modern day BeOS, though.

Re:BeOS and Palm employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469874)

Not really. Wait, that implies that it's close. Not at all. That's better.

Is it or is it not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469088)

Is it or is it not a good time to join HP R&D (a.k.a "HP Labs India") over a company like accenture?

(Just looking for some career advice )

Re:Is it or is it not (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469266)

That depends. Hardware or software R&D? I don't know anything about Accenture, but HP could be a bit of a gamble at the moment. I've seen previous employers hire people just to lay them off in a month or two, along with others.

Re:Is it or is it not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469552)

That depends. Hardware or software R&D? I don't know anything about Accenture, but HP could be a bit of a gamble at the moment. I've seen previous employers hire people just to lay them off in a month or two, along with others.

Posting anonymously. I saw an engineering contractor getting hired for a project, and at 9AM of his first day (starting on a Monday), he was told his last day was on Friday because the project was axed.

Re:Is it or is it not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469568)

Was that with HP or some other company?

Re:Is it or is it not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471332)

Was that with HP or some other company?

Another one (a defense contractor.)

Does this surprise anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469092)

This should not come as a shock to anyone. If I was a WebOS developer working for HP, you can bet your ass I'd have been spending the last couple of months applying elsewhere. As far as the CEO - I'm sure he has a nice, golden parachute. Bend over, stockholders....

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469252)

If I was a WebOS developer working for HP, you can bet your ass I'd have been spending the last couple of months applying elsewhere.

Knowing how hiring is done these days - especially in IT - you just know those poor bastards are applying for Android jobs and some hiring manager or HR person is chucking their resumes aside because they don't have the proper "skills". And if they become unemployed, well, they're SOL because according to today's job market, being unemployed means you're no good. Nobody cares why you're unemployed.

So, yeah, those guys better be hunting for another job - FAST.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (0, Flamebait)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469614)

Maybe instead of sitting around in their underwear, eating cheetos, and waiting for someone to hire them, they should take some initiative and start their own business.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470682)

That'd be an idea. First they need some to borrow some money to get the company going. Sorry, the banks aren't loaning money. The government gave them lots of money to help them through a rough spot and get the economy out of the toilet and the banks smiled, said thanks and sat on it.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (1)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471378)

Maybe instead of sitting around in their underwear, eating cheetos, and waiting for someone to hire them, they should take some initiative and start their own business.

This is a clueless post.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469854)

And if they become unemployed, well, they're SOL because according to today's job market, being unemployed means you're no good. Nobody cares why you're unemployed.

So, yeah, those guys better be hunting for another job - FAST.

Phht, I guarantee there's some hiring manager out there hiring them all as they leave the door. HP's department might have gone bust, but I'm sure there was some real talent in it's labor pool - and someone's going to know that. It's all about networking to find good labor.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (2)

jittles (1613415) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469280)

This should not come as a shock to anyone. If I was a WebOS developer working for HP, you can bet your ass I'd have been spending the last couple of months applying elsewhere. As far as the CEO - I'm sure he has a nice, golden parachute. Bend over, stockholders....

They may not have had months of notice. The HP Touchpad firesale was only about 5 weeks ago. I talked to an HP employee the day before the announcement, and she had no idea this was going on. She dealt exclusively with the Touchpad.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470322)

They may not have had months of notice. The HP Touchpad firesale was only about 5 weeks ago. I talked to an HP employee the day before the announcement, and she had no idea this was going on. She dealt exclusively with the Touchpad.

That's because it wasn't HP who initiated the fire sale.

Best buy was sitting on a bunch of product nobody wanted, and HP was refusing to take them back. Best Buy said "OK, fine, we're liquidating" ... everybody suddenly wanted one, because at $99, why not?

A week or so earlier HP employees had been offered to buy them for $50 off retail ($300 or so) ... once Best Buy started selling at discounted prices, HP extended the same offer to employees.

Nobody at HP knew that was going to happen -- all of a sudden they were being sold on the market at those prices. This happened completely outside of their control.

Posting as AC since I know a bunch of HP employees.

Re:Does this surprise anyone? (1)

Jawbox (113491) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470474)

No, the same Friday night Best Buy Canada started liquidating Touchpads, HP Shopping also lowered the price to $99. That same night HP announced the Firesale and the way they would handle it with their partners. On Saturday night Best Buy finally decided to liquidate Touchpads, and sold out their store stock on Sunday.

Hardware only.. (4, Informative)

RedK (112790) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469098)

This is exactly what they said they would do a month ago. They have been quite clear going forward, they would continue work on webOS itself, just not webOS hardware. So I don't see how this is the "end" of webOS at HP, it's the same thing they've been saying for a month now.

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

TigerTime (626140) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469202)

Considering they only created around 2 models per year, i wonder why it required 525 hardware developers to begin with. Does HTC require that many? I doubt it. And they produce about 20 different devices a year.

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469286)

My last company developed embedded products and they had just over 100 engineers total. Most of them were involved with software. They also produced a lot more than just one or two devices in a year. I was wondering the same thing.

Re:Hardware only.. (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469798)

i wonder why it required 525 hardware developers to begin with.

It says "staff from its global webOS hardware biz", not "hardware developers". You have HR, finance, manufacturing, purchasing, janitors, testing, techs, etc... not just hardware engineers. They probably had it set up to be a half-billion dollar or so business, so that number of employees seems pretty reasonable.

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469260)

So there are no more devices that run webOS. What are the OS developers going to be doing? If HP doesn't have faith in the OS, why would anyone else chose to make devices for it?

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

Verunks (1000826) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469288)

So there are no more devices that run webOS. What are the OS developers going to be doing? If HP doesn't have faith in the OS, why would anyone else chose to make devices for it?

if I remember correctly they stated that they will put it inside cars and other embedded devices

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469496)

So there are no more devices that run webOS. What are the OS developers going to be doing? If HP doesn't have faith in the OS, why would anyone else chose to make devices for it?

if I remember correctly they stated that they will put it inside cars and other embedded devices

Decades ago when HP made test equipment, a ultra-high-end spectrum analyzer with webOS would have been cool... I'm not interested in running "angry birds", I'm more interested in being able to email / web from the device itself.. Also embedded training videos would be cool. Yes I'm well aware that many years ago you could save images into diskettes or flash in the form of USB drives or camera cards. But it would be way cool to have a very common UI for phones / scopes / network analyzers / spectrum analyzers / heck even my voltmeter.

Imagine if my spectrum analyzer had not only training videos for itself, but every other product in the HP lineup, with the increase storage costs line itemed as marketing...

Or if I could remote the UIs for multiple meters exactly like they appear on the touchscreen of the device, on a tablet, simultaneously.... So I could hook up three clamp on ammeters on each leg of a 3-phase and watch all three simultaneously. Yes I know there are expensive boxes that are basically three single phase devices in one box for ten times the cost, I was drooling over the idea of just grabbing any random 3 meters and having them work together...

Re:Hardware only.. (2)

digitalsolo (1175321) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469606)

Your ideas sound great and incredibly useful.

We'll have none of that in modern corporate culture, please leave.

Re:Hardware only.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470758)

Decades ago when HP made test equipment

The still do they are just called Agilent [agilent.com] .

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469510)

if I remember correctly they stated that they will put it inside cars and other embedded devices

Not Ford [google.com]

So that leaves GM or Chrysler. ie, the two companies that needed repeated bailouts to survive. A match made in heaven^W purgatory.

Re:Hardware only.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469570)

Did all the non-American car companies disappear when I wasn't looking?

Re:Hardware only.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469662)

No, he said chrysler ...

Re:Hardware only.. (3, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469954)

if I remember correctly they stated that they will put it inside cars and other embedded devices

Yeah, I read that too. Problem is that no-one has made any agreements with them to use the OS. So they are basically just pissing away money in the hope that someone somewhere might want to license the OS, without having any concrete plans for it.

Oh, and multitouch should be banned from car dashboards. It is the worst possible interface for that situation as requires constant focus on the display for the entire time it is being used, and thus causes far more driver distraction than physical knobs.

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469928)

So there are no more devices that run webOS. What are the OS developers going to be doing? If HP doesn't have faith in the OS, why would anyone else chose to make devices for it?

HP paid $1.2 billion for webOS. If they cancel it then they have a loss of $1.2 billion on their books, which looks pretty bad for the CEO. So they will keep it alive as long as possible. Or until the next CEO starts, who will cancel it and blame it (rightfully in this case) on his predecessor. When a new CEO starts, a big loss in the previous year is a good thing because that makes it a lot easier to improve the numbers.

Re:Hardware only.. (2)

pnutjam (523990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470958)

Must be on envelope #2...

Re:Hardware only.. (1)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469930)

Yet you'd expect a HW company to have a use for vetted HW engineers. One of the hardest elements of building a productive SW or HW team is the hiring. HP is taking a built organization and blowing it when they could probably put all these engineers to work elsewhere in the company.

Hardware (3, Insightful)

Tweezak (871255) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469128)

Note that the article says "hardware staff" not "WebOS Developers." Since HP is discontinuing hardware development for WebOS platforms this is not surprising. I suspect they will continue to own the operating system in hopes of licensing it to other companies.

Re:Hardware (2)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469292)

Yeah, /. editors have a real knack for reading headlines, ignoring the article, and making up their own headline based on assumptions.

Re:Hardware (2)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470010)

editors

Inigo-Montoya-that-word.jpg

Re:Hardware (1)

ardiri (245358) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469372)

CEO? where was that justification taken from?
the article specifically talks about 525 people - which are within the hardware area of the company (logical), when i see some developer relations guys and the OS developers get fired; then i'll believe where things are going. since they do not make hardware anymore; it is only natural these are the hardware guys being flushed out.

Re:Hardware (1)

BBTaeKwonDo (1540945) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469894)

There is more than one link in TFS.

Goodbye WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469242)

You were a good OS and we'll miss you. HP may not be letting go the software developers yet, but they (and Palm before them) are the only ones who've produced WebOS devices. If they're not going to do that any more, I don't see any incentive for anyone else to pick up the OS.

Re:Goodbye WebOS (1)

eminencja (1368047) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470116)

In the first place -- what was this WebOS thing that HP paid 1.2 bln $ for?

Do I miss something when I say that it is just a thin JavaScript layer on top of Linux, possibly not more complicated than an average JavaScript framework?

Can anyone guess... (2)

Howard Beale (92386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469248)

Who s*cked more at their job, but gets a golden parachute?

Fire that NTAC asap and keep the WebOS team (2)

teambpsi (307527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469262)

Apotheker has to be one of the worst appointments I've seen in 20 years.

At least Chain-saw Al Dunlap was hired for the express purpose of being a major league a-hole.

Apotheker showed a shocking poverty of understanding of the empire he was entrusted to run that it makes me seriously question the competency of the people that vetted him?

Re:Fire that NTAC asap and keep the WebOS team (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470696)

Exactly.

I never thought HP would hire a CEO worse than Carly. After they proved me wrong I wondered how long Leo would last. Frankly they waited too long to can him, Especially after he canned the touchpad and sells them at a ridiculously low price to the point that everybody buys them up and sells them for twice as much on ebay. That first week after the fire sale should have been his no confidence vote right there.

Hopefully, the new CEO realized that this WebOS debacle was a huge mistake and starts working on bringing WebOS back from the dead, that is if he can.

Re:Fire that NTAC asap and keep the WebOS team (1)

cartman (18204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470952)

Apotheker showed a shocking poverty of understanding of the empire he was entrusted to run that it makes me seriously question the competency of the people that vetted him?

My sentiment exactly. Apotheker made decisions which were easily predicted to fail. How could he have seriously expected the WebOS tablet thing to be successful. He should have been fired awhile ago, even though he's only been CEO for less than a year.

Re:Fire that NTAC asap and keep the WebOS team (1)

smurfsurf (892933) | more than 2 years ago | (#37471098)

> How could he have seriously expected the WebOS tablet thing to be successful.

It is a gamble. If it is a success, he gets all the glory and a huge bonus. If it fails, he gets a golden parachute. There is no way to lose for him, no risk, and he does not bet his own money.

They cant win... (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469300)

Hp is a sinking ship that cant attract anyone that has any management skills. The current guy has a bad track record, and the possible replacement they are looking at, she's not much better.

This is what happens when your products suck, your service sucks, and most people say, "HP? that stuff is crap, dont buy it"

The only way to turn it around is to start "not sucking"....

Step 1 - Fire every designer in the laptop division. Whoever green lighted the seamless trackpad should be tied up and whipped in front of all the other employees as an example.

Step 2 - Fire every stylist in the PC division. Sorry but trendy = dumb and that failure of a removable drive bay needs to go. Anyone that says the word "proprietary" or "custom designed" needs to be smacked in the face without hesitation and the word "NO" yelled in their face.

Step 3 - Fire everyone in the Printer driver division. IF the driver is not a simple small single file then it's garbage. No I dont want to install 160meg of helpers. Nobody does.

Re:They cant win... (2)

Gazzonyx (982402) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469460)

160MB driver? No, the driver is only 40MB, it's the crap that they bundle that wants to start up with your computer at every boot that takes up the other 120MB. Their corporate printer drivers aren't bad at all, they're basically a single INF file, but their consumer drivers are what crap aspires to be when it grows up.

Re:They cant win... (2)

kaiser423 (828989) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470300)

Ah, you must never have gotten one of their printers that is flaky as all get out with "just" the 40MB install, and you end up downloading the whole 200MB package just to get the printer to work right...

Re:They cant win... (2)

glassware (195317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470356)

Where did you find a 160MB driver? The last HP printer driver I downloaded was 534MB. And yet for some reason it wasn't an ISO, it was a single executable file that took 15-20 minutes to install and unpackage.

They had an alternative 4MB driver that only included the printer definition. However, the 4MB driver didn't include the scanning capability.

Also, I've noticed that HP printers take about 1 minute to come in or out of standby mode; so printing a single page takes ~2 minutes. On any other modern printer the same page is virtually instantaneous.

Back in the '90s I refused to buy any printer other than an HP; nowadays I only buy no-name rebadged printers from Dell and high performance network copiers. It's sad how far they've fallen.

Re:They cant win... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469542)

Whoever green lighted the seamless trackpad should be tied up and whipped in front of all the other employees as an example.

They could probably make a tidy profit by auctioning the position of "Whip-holder".

You throw the baby out with the bathwater (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471190)

The decisions you hate were probably not universally agreed-upon by the entire team. They were probably made by a few people near the top, and forced upon those below. In fact, those below may have even raised concerns, but were told to do their jobs.

That's how it works in most places. The implementers have very limited say over the designs they implement.

could be controlled leak info (1)

lecheiron (2441744) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469324)

meaning, the management want to see how to market reacts to the news before actually make the decision. as of 12:05 pm, HPQ is up 7.52%. this indicates the market agree with BOD that CEO should go. you can figure out the rest....

Cut costs (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469344)

I have a feeling the bean counters have taken over completely at HP. Engineers are a cost center. Get rid of engineers. Software developers are a cost center. Get rid of software developers. Since no one in the US is willing to work for 7 cents per hour, all manufacturing takes place in China. Sell the buildings that used to contain engineers and software developers. HP will then consist of CXO's on the top floor of one building, with the next floor dedicated to bean counters, and the main floor for overseas operations (bean counters never consider themselves to be a cost center). Its easier to outsource operations, so the overseas operations will be 'rent-a-plant', and since that also includes 'rent-an-engineer', everything but the head office will be overseas. Next to go is the bottom floor. Sell to the overseas manufacturer, give the top two floors a cushy severance, and wind that baby down. Its not like Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard are around anymore. The founding engineers are gone. The glory days of the company were when the founders founded it, and ran it for the first 20 years. The next 20 years saw growth, but not quite so much glory for new hires. The next 20 years saw new managers come in when the founding engineers retired but oversaw things. Things got more corporate. Still an ok company to work for, but not great. The founders die, more management changes (bean counters take over). Bill Hewlett died in 2001, David Packard died in 1996. What Bill and Dave started, Carly and others have done a great job killing. I give them at the outside 10 more years, but something in my head says they will be dead in less than 5. HP joins Sun.

Boot2Gecko (1)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469358)

Hopefully some of those 500 people will go working on an open-source mobile OS. That's sort of missing right now.
Also when you work on open-sour

Re:Boot2Gecko (1)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469382)

also when you work on open-source you can design a keyboard that doesn't hit enter on its own when your hand is slightly too big.
err.
I meant to say, when you work on open-source your OS doesn't go to trash aka "on hold til we find buyer" since everyone has it.

Re:Boot2Gecko (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469530)

Yes, I'm sure hardware staff will get right on developing software.

HP turning into IBM (1)

GeneralSecretary (1959616) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469400)

I expect them to start hiring consultants tomorrow. I think HP figures that they can't compete against Android and iOS, even if WebOS is better technology there's no way they can build up the developer interest to make a competitive ecosystem of tools and apps. Essentially WebOS is OS/2. It's sad to see so many good people be forced out. WebOS was a great accomplishment.

Re:HP turning into IBM (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469884)

Where this analogy breaks is that IBM is innovative and highly-profitable. HP is neither.

the only common factor in all of HP's failures... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37469478)

is the board.

What Slashdot really needs (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469572)

is a facility to edit submission summaries. This way we can avoid all the posts complaining about the seriously inaccurate summary as well as all of the posts from people who can't be bothered to read the article and so are ranting and raving and opinionating about false information.

Granted, this would probably leave only a handful of posts.

Re:What Slashdot really needs (1)

twdorris (29395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469686)

Granted, this would probably leave only a handful of posts.

And neither yours nor mine would make the cut, of course.

The Most Dangerous Sport (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37469948)

It seems to me like there's some heavily orchestrated "race to the bottom" between RIM and HP. The amount of stunningly stupid business decisions that have come out as of late from both companies just seems impossibly massive.

Tomorrow's Slashdot Headline... (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470018)

HP is "up for sale", looking for a buyer.

They are hoping to be bought by Lenovo, but the Chinese responded "Who the hell needs a top-heavy organization that doesn't make anything?"

Meanwhile HP is looking for a new CEO, and the board are considering the former head of SCO, Darl McBride...

Re:Tomorrow's Slashdot Headline... (1)

w_dragon (1802458) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470370)

Maybe they could get together with Yahoo and make it a combo deal. Buy one get one free!

A fish out of water (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470050)

Is it just me or does HP look like a fish laying on the dirt, flailing around gulping for non-existant water?

HP shouldn't fire marketable people (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470190)

Posting anonymously because I am employed at HP.

If HP didn't offer these people plenty of opportunity to find other positions, then HP is not living up to its own policy of encouraging people to make careers for themselves, as given in the new hire training I am piled up with doing.

Firing is too good for him... (1)

SwedishChef (69313) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470222)

Maybe we should encourage the use of Seppuku for CEOs who fail to do what they were hired to do and, instead, do seriously stupid things. That would probably save California from at least one politician, too.

Americas Most Valuable Resource (1)

Roachie (2180772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470236)

Layoff-able employees.

Slash and burn CEOs are destroying HP (3, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 2 years ago | (#37470290)

Sure, you can make the figures look good in the short term by slashing R&D and firing everybody, but in the longer run you have no new products coming down the line.

Bye bye HP. In ten years time you'll be a niche printer ink seller.

Re:Slash and burn CEOs are destroying HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37471396)

As someone who got axed by Carly, I have to agree with you 100%. The ironical thing was that my consulting group was very profitable buy it didn't fit in with the model produced by Carly's 'yes men'. We had some nice long term assignments. So the team took them with us. HP didn't even blink.
Sad. Very sad.

Do they have a chance up against other 'services' companies?
Nope. No way Jose. The good guys have seen the writing on the wall and left ages ago.
Many have setup consultancies that are competing against HP and HP isn't winning.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470452)

Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?

Isn't it strange that Slashdot tries to rip arms off?

What a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470500)

The founders of HP are rolling over in their graves. Back in the day, HP was THE engineering company to work for. They actually built useful stuff. They spun off their test&mesaurement to Agilent, and now getting out of the PC business. Nobody builds anything anymore. Very sad.

Palm's old corp office closing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37470552)

Curious if the former Palm corporate office in Sunnyvale will be shut down...

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>