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262 comments

First post? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486522)

Naw prob not, but heres to me if it is.

Release the Kraken! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486552)

Surely Apple did not think that they were the only ones in the market with a patent portfolio.

Re:Release the Kraken! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486600)

Doubtless they did not, since they've been getting sued for many years now.

Personally I like seeing Apple take charge and sue the shit out of a bunch of fucking Chinese companies stealing their IP. Of course there is blowback, but they have enough pull to get the ITC to ban many Chinese imports. And Oracle is ass-fucking Android into the ground, so Apple is going to win big there as well.

Re:Release the Kraken! (4, Insightful)

mug funky (910186) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486782)

if they were worried about their IP being stolen, perhaps they should manufacture in their own country... it's not like the USA is in need of more jobs or anything.

people pay enough for their iToys that it wouldn't hurt apple too much - it'd be slow and steady growth rather than meteoric rise and then sue-town for the next 50 years.

Re:Release the Kraken! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487310)

if they were worried about their IP being stolen, perhaps they should manufacture in their own country... it's not like the USA is in need of more jobs or anything.

Is it sad or funny? Complaining about Apple not manufacturing, when Steve Jobs started Next which did high tech manufacturing in the US, making really, really awesome computers... which people didn't buy because they preferred cheap imported goods and because nobody cared if the DoJ enforced antitrust laws against Microsoft who was breaking the law and undermining competition to prevent innovative companies like Next from being successful. The US had its chance at innovative, US based manufacture and pissed on it. Jobs learned better and went with foreign component suppliers when Next was acquired by Apple.

Learn your geek history.

Re:Release the Kraken! (1, Insightful)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487396)

I suppose that is all geek history. Beyond that it is a sad lot of unrelated crap that makes no logical point.

It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that American companies do not support Americans. But then, they aren't really American companies any more, are they? Except for retail, and steadily shrinking R&D, they don't employ Americans, and they don't pay much in taxes, if anything at all.

Rats deserting a sinking ship, going to where the pickings are better. Apple is no exception.

Re:Release the Kraken! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486796)

Those who can do, those who can't sue. Apple did some great marketing with the iphone line, but they just can't keep up with the market anymore. They weren't suing when they had the marketing edge, but now that it is gone, and the rest of the flock has exceeded them technologically, the only thing left to them is sue. And Jobs being away doesn't help either.

Re:Release the Kraken! (2, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486934)

Apple did some great marketing with the iphone line, but they just can't keep up with the market anymore.

Are you kidding? They're the market leader.

They weren't suing when they had the marketing edge, but now that it is gone, and the rest of the flock has exceeded them technologically, the only thing left to them is sue.

Except for the fact that they are the market leader. Name *ONE* mobile company doing better than Apple right now.

They've only sued over things they believe they own, and the courts have agreed with them. They aren't trying to stop HTC or Samsung from making their own products, but they *are* trying to stop them from making products that are too much a clone of Apple's products.

There are plenty of ways to make a multitouch phone and multitouch tablet. Apple chose their style. It's up to everyone else to choose their own as well.

Re:Release the Kraken! (-1, Troll)

gottspeed (2060872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487098)

Your defense of Apple followed by the signature you attach to your posts completely negates your credibility. You either own shares in Apple, or believe that their products help you to mate.

Re:Release the Kraken! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487154)

As of Q2 2011 (I wonder what's more recent numbers are) they were market leader with a stunning 1% - it's as much as TEN promilles, I tell you! - leader over Samsung. That's if you look at individual manufacturers - not on the success of the platform.

As for "clone of Apple's products" - that's bullshit and even courts already know that's bullshit. Only Apple's fanboys still go on about rounded rectangle with bezels and with a grid of icons on display as "Apple chose their style". Look at LG Prada, for a start. Then look at iPhone. Now say, who copied who?

Re:Release the Kraken! (5, Informative)

besalope (1186101) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487284)

Except for the fact that they are the market leader. Name *ONE* mobile company doing better than Apple right now.

They've only sued over things they believe they own, and the courts have agreed with them. They aren't trying to stop HTC or Samsung from making their own products, but they *are* trying to stop them from making products that are too much a clone of Apple's products.

There are plenty of ways to make a multitouch phone and multitouch tablet. Apple chose their style. It's up to everyone else to choose their own as well.

Except that at the OS level Android has eclipsed iOS with 2x the marketshare in 1Q11 [gartner.com] .

As for phone manufacturers: Nokia (25%), Samsung (16%), and LG (5.6%) are all ahead of Apple (3.9%) in market share.

As for styling, there's only so much you can do with a rectangular design with rounded corners.

Re:Release the Kraken! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487042)

First, Via is not Chinese, its Taiwanese.
Second, their patents come from the acquisition of Centaur Technologies many years ago, which was an American company.
Where is the IP stealing going on?

Re:Release the Kraken! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487134)

It's OK, Americans assume all of Asia is just one big China. They also assume they made everything ever and that anyone non-American claiming to have designed or made something must be a patent troll.

Oh and Fuck you Apple.

Re:Release the Kraken! (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487218)

First, Via is not Chinese, its Taiwanese.

Mainland China: People's Republic of China

Taiwan:Republic of China

Ask anyone form Taiwan, and they will tell you they are Chinese.

Re:Release the Kraken! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487292)

Centaur still exists -- Via is its parent company, but is still located in Austin.

Re:Release the Kraken! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486612)

Considering they are one of the most frequently sued companies in the tech industry, it's highly unlikely they hadn't noticed others hold patents.

Re:Release the Kraken! (1)

jimpop (27817) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486672)

Apple is late to the IP game. Still, when it's all said and done, the consumer is the loser, and will always be as long as mankind can patent ideas.

Re:Release the Kraken! (2)

cababunga (1195153) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487028)

... the consumer is the loser...

Unless, of course, she is also a lawyer...

Re:Release the Kraken! (1)

jimpop (27817) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487056)

touché

Re:Release the Kraken! (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487294)

How is Apple late to the IP game? Remember Apple suing GEM and all that?

GEM wasn't patent law (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487332)

That wasn't patent law. The GEM lawsuits were over copyright before it was established in court (in cases such as Lotus v. Borland) that user interface has a thin copyright. Much of it is a method of operation more than it is a pictorial or graphic work, apart from specific graphical elements such as the Aqua buttons. I guess the confusion [pineight.com] between copyright and patent is one reason why Richard Stallman of Free Software Foundation rails against the term "intellectual property" [gnu.org] .

Re:Release the Kraken! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486686)

Surely you do not believe that every component of the IPhone is made in the good old USA. The IPhone is a half baked, over marketed phone solution.

Most likely Oracle will fail, but only after Google starts using Python bytecode for their platform instead of Java/Dalvik.

Re:Release the Kraken! (2, Insightful)

Virtual_Raider (52165) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487280)

(...)

Most likely Oracle will fail, but only after Google starts using Python bytecode for their platform instead of Java/Dalvik.

OH GOD YES PLEASE MAKE IT SO!

Damn, few things make yelp like a little girl but this one did :P

Re:Release the Kraken! (2)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487582)

I second that emotion.

Re:Release the Kraken! (0)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486700)

It's rather fascinating to see just were arrogance will land you...

Re:Release the Kraken! (4, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487096)

Apple is playing a dangerous game. With their very limited range of products, they're much more exposed than most companies. Sue Samsung? Android and tablets are a small fraction of Samsung's business, they'd hardly notice if they were gone - if Apple's iOS were shut down for patent infringement (iPods and iPhones), they'd be screwed. HTC is more dependent on Android, but still has more to fall back on (proportionally) than Apple does.

Re:Release the Kraken! (3, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487442)

Surely Apple did not think that they were the only ones in the market with a patent portfolio.

That's what I've been wondering about. Apple are suing all kinds of mobile device manufacturers left and right in hopes of being able to bar them from markets and to remain on top themselves. But they MUST have known that once they start suing the other big players they'll start pushing back and not only the ones being sued but also all the others too just to ensure that Apple won't win, otherwise Apple would just come after the rest later on. And well, gee, that's exactly what's happening: companies that haven't yet been sued are taking the initiative and suing first. Offense is the best defense and so on.

So what's Apple's angle here? They stand to lose quite a lot of money, and if the sh*t really hits the fan their stuff could be barred from the market and a large portion of their patent portfolio could get invalidated. So is there a plan behind this, or was it just simply we've-grown-so-big-we-think-we-can-do-anything - type of brainfart? I personally believe it's more towards the brainfart - situation here and things just got out of hand, but I suppose we'll see how this giant game of chess plays out.

Re:Release the Kraken! (4, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487534)

I don't think Apple expects to permanently ban them from the market. It just wants to keep competitors wrapped up in court cases until Apple can scoop them with its newest offerings. I'm sure it knows full well most of its suits are sheer garbage that ultimately will fail. But ultimately could mean what? 6 to 24 months? Oh my, look at that, the iPad 3 and the iPhone 5 come out in those kinds of Windows, meanwhile the competition has a product to bring to a market but can't because of what amounts of a strategically placed nuisance suit.

Of course, if Apple suddenly finds its own products being delayed in the same manner, or worse, but actual hard technology patents, then yes, they could seriously fuck themselves over. But that's fine. If everyone eventually ends this evil little war in a compromise, the consumer will win. I just hope all sides lose massive amounts of money in the process. Unfortunately, the lawyers will get rich(er).

We loose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487540)

Whatever happens, lawyers will have the last laugh. Who is going to pay the legal expenses? Eventually, the legal fees are going to be passed to the product prices of Apple, Via and whoever fights these legal battles.

Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy lately? (3, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486566)

It seems during this economic downturn companies have started throwing caution to the wind in an attempt to ravenously feed on each others still warm carcasses. What you'll end up with is a period of heavily suppressed innovation and increasingly locked down and crippled devices, software and services no one will be willing to part with money for. It's all going to shit!

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486616)

or perhaps somebody at /. finds it more interesting than before...

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486622)

Apple stirred a bee's nest. Now everyone's coming out of the woodwork to sting them. I'd like to imagine that these huge companies were enjoying a status quo, like an assured mutual destruction understanding. But Apple had to fucked things up.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486964)

Yes, Apple was the first ever company to sue someone for infringing upon their patents...

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487072)

When you fantasize about suckling Steve Jobs' aged dick, is it before or after he's fucked you in the ass?

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487440)

Yes, people are curious.

My money is on both.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486626)

It seems during this economic downturn companies have started throwing caution to the wind in an attempt to ravenously feed on each others still warm carcasses. What you'll end up with is a period of heavily suppressed innovation and increasingly locked down and crippled devices, software and services no one will be willing to part with money for. It's all going to shit!

Nah, just too many lawyers. Don't make it any more complicated than need be.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487552)

Maybe the solution to the economic crisis is a 95% tax on every single nickel every lawyer on the planet makes, with public executions if they so much as try to hide a peso.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (0)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486780)

What started this mess is Apple and Microsoft wanting to destroy Android & Google.

Apple hates Android because its the biggest threat to their iOS success and especially to the iPad and wants to stop Android (and especially Samsung, one of the most successful Android vendors and the one that represents the biggest threat to Apple)

Microsoft hates Android & Google because Google is killing their online offerings (Hotmail vs GMail, Google vs Bing, Google Docs vs Office/Office online etc etc) and because Google (through Chrome OS and Android) is a threat to its traditional desktop OS business (and its attempt to push that desktop OS business into smaller form factor devices)

Android is also a huge threat to Microsoft's Windows Phone. Plus going after Android allows Microsoft to continue its fight against Linux and open source (since Android uses the Linux kernel)

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486876)

You left out Oracle.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487366)

You left out Oracle.

Oracle hates everyone, but is either leaving Microsoft alone for the same reason a barracuda won't eat a lawyer, or because they're waiting for the best time to stab them in the back.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487438)

Does Oracle wants Android to fall? I thought they only want to bite off some profit for themselves.

Patent litigation IS out of hand - as expected (2)

sjbe (173966) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486806)

It seems during this economic downturn companies have started throwing caution to the wind in an attempt to ravenously feed on each others still warm carcasses.

What warm carcasses? Companies have been reporting massive profits, Apple certainly not the least of them. Companies are sitting on gi-normous piles of cash. Unemployment is high but so are profits. There is a lot of uncertainty (economic, consumer demand, political, healthcare, etc) in the economy so companies are keeping their powder dry and waiting for things to settle down a bit.

All these lawsuits are because we are at a tipping point where PCs are becoming less important and mobile devices are rapidly becoming more important. We're simply seeing companies fighting to establish dominance in this new world. Despite the patent system being rather broken, companies pretty much are forced to use every weapon at their disposal. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

Cut the taxes! (2)

microbox (704317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487518)

Companies are sitting on gi-normous piles of cash.

So we need to cut the taxes so that they will start hiring again! Really!!! Anything else will doom America!!!!!

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486858)

I see this more of a case of people in glass houses throwing stones. Apple cannot be the bully and not expect to eventually have someone stand up to them. Patent trolls will be trolled themselves, it's just how it works out. However, the number of patent and copyright trolls is definitely increasing, with even semi-respectable companies joining the fray.

In this case (4, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486950)

It was Apple's mouth writing checks their ass can't cash. Apple is real worried: Android is a real threat to them. Their iDevice market is where their big profits are, they don't have a "what's next" lined up right now and Android is encroaching in a big way. In particular, HTC and Samsung have been since they've smoothed out android's UI and made it even more user friendly (if bloated).

So Apple went all lawsuit happy. They want to suppress any competition. turns out, the competition isn't so happy about that and is hitting back. Hard. In the case of VIA part of it is the relation with HTC, the other part is I'm sure VIA has an interest in the tablet market. VIA has never done well at the high end and so has stopped trying, but they do low end pretty well. Maybe they want in to the tablet market.

When you start suing everyone, expect to see the same in return.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487254)

When times are tough you do everything you can to knock the other guy out of the game entirely because you can THEN fight over the still-warm carcass, e.g. the customer base.

Perhaps we should look at who bought the legislation that created this situation.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (2)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487290)

It's not just you. The fundamental problem is that there is a conflict between global capitalism and the patent regime. The patent regime is hundreds of years old, and developed from the rule of Kings, who could use their power to bestow monopoly rights on their allies in certain areas of production. Think about that - the whole system was based around an exclusive right to manufacture within the boundaries and legal jurisdiction of a single nation. This kind of worked, because the existence of a single legal jurisdiction resolved any conflicts (for better or worse). But with the explosion of globalisation in the 1990s, the whole concept fell apart.

Why would a foreign court recognise your patent? Patent resolution is far too arbitrary. Why should Chinese companies, who only recently discovered capitalism, accept that they have to give a share of their profits to Western companies for patents that predate the concept of capitalism in their nation? Why would an American court side with a foreign company over an American company? Why would Korean courts side with a Western company against one of their own?

Global capitalism encourages rabid competition; the patent regime is the complete opposite, and is more akin to the communist states which granted production monopolies to favoured suppliers. Monopolies, in essence, are anti-capitalist, and in this globalised world, lacking a single governmental regime for patent jurisdiction and resolution, it is inevitable that there are going to be huge differences in the way that nations treat different companies and different patents. And these differences are going to become more visible and exposed as more and more companies file for increasing numbers of patents, and courts around the world are filled with the growing industry of global patent lawyering.

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487318)

Had I known this 10 years ago when I started going to school to get my degree, I'd have gone into pre-law, and be able to retire in just a couple years after a successful career in software patent litigation...

GDP (1)

microbox (704317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487502)

It's all going to shit!

And the cost of litigation is tabulated into the GDP. America is getting richer!

Re:Is it just me or has litigation gone crazy late (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487516)

Just enjoy it, since there's nothing else you can do. Sit back and enjoy the show. Grab some popcorn.

Anyone got a spreadsheet? (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486572)

Seriously, I think we need a person full time just to make spreadsheets and graphs of who is suing whom at this point. Soon, it'll be easy. Just put: "*".

Re:Anyone got a spreadsheet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486644)

Even better:

http://www.bonkersworld.net/images/2011.07.26_who_sues_who.png

Groklaw? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487050)

Isn't this part of Groklaw's new mandate now that SCO is gone?

ARM (3, Insightful)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486590)

Shouldn't they be suing ARM as Apple licensed it from them?

Re:ARM (2)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486774)

Your line of thinking is the same sort that thinks that Microsoft should be suing Google, the authors of Android, and not HTC/etc .. the manufacturers of Android products that supposedly infringe.

Its like suing Linus because a software shop wrote a program that runs on Linux/x86 that infringes on a patent.. its stupid. ARM doesnt manufacture anything that infringes.. hell, they dont manufacture anything at all.

Re:ARM (1)

Albanach (527650) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486916)

I think by this point ARM will also have a decent portfolio of patents that would ensure other chip manufacturers probably don't want to go down that road.

Re:ARM (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487196)

If ARM was to make these chips, they would license the patents necessary, probably through cross-licensing.

ARM isnt making the infringing chips in question, tho.. Apple is making them and Apple didn't license the patents. Thats why Apple is in some serious trouble this time.

If Apple could hit back at VIA in order to minimize damages, things wouldn't be so bad. Unfortunately for Apple, they dont. Even Intel couldn't defend themselves, and they have truckloads of relevant patents.

Re:ARM (2)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486902)

No, patents don't prevent transfer of knowledge (the license from ARM). They allow the patent owner to prevent someone else from using the knowledge.

35 U.S.C. 271 Infringement of patent.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this title, whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention, within the United States, or imports into the United States any patented invention during the term of the patent therefor, infringes the patent.

Re:ARM (1)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487190)

No, Apple licenses the CPU core from ARM, but Apple then integrates this core into its own SoC platform, has the physical chips manufactured by its foundry partner (Samsung!), and - most importantly - sells the product into the marketplace. It's the same reason that SCO targeted Red Hat customers instead of Red Hat, and the same reason Apple targeted Samsung and HTC instead of Google...

Re:ARM (1)

mab (17941) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487260)

Doesn't Apple own 55% of ARM Holdings

Investors might sue? (1, Troll)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486594)

If I was a VIA Investor... I might be a little pissed. These lawsuits cost millions of dollars with no guarantee of victory and often times they can result in your patents being invalidated. CEOs should not make decisions based on their wife's occupation... mainly because it is going to be largely emotional...

Re:Investors might sue? (0)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486746)

alternately you could be happy since they already forced cash money out of intel, and now they're going to do the same to apple.

Re:Investors might sue? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486836)

Interestingly, they originally filed suit against Intel in part to counter suits Intel had filed against Via. This happened ten years ago [extremetech.com] .

So somehow, rather than cross-license rights, VIA ended up with money. And because of that they certainly should feel confident they can get money out of anyone using their patent, rather than being stuck in a profitless cross-license situation.

Or maybe they'll get free iPhones for life.

Re:Investors might sue? (0)

SpiralSpirit (874918) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486842)

SO JELUS

Re:Investors might sue? (1)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486748)

CEOs should not make decisions based on their wife's occupation... mainly because it is going to be largely emotional...

well, IMO yes and no. VIA get the benefits of a reduced chance of being attacked or dragged down by HTC (/ support / insider knowledge), in exchange for getting involved with battles that HTC get themselves into. i doubt the VIA CEO is taking the choice lightly regardless, but improving relations with a client/business partner based on emotion isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It being emotional decision is largely how the world works anyway and investments / companies aren't any different.

Re:Investors might sue? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486898)

Considering they've been successful with Intel, I don't think losing by having their patents invalidated are really one of their chief concerns.

Re:Investors might sue? (5, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487140)

Wen Chi Chen founded VIA Technologies in 1983, and has run the company for almost 30 years, building it from nothing into a billion dollar company that is now the world's largest independent manufacturer of motherboard chipsets. He is the Taiwanese equivalent of Steve Jobs. Under his stewardship VIA successfully defended a patent attack from Intel that led to 11 different court cases in 5 different countries (sound familiar?). The investors don't care about the family connection - they care about profit. And if VIA's patent portfolio was strong enough to convince Intel to settle, then what makes you think Apple will be any different? Intel holds many, many patents on fundamental CPU technologies; how many do you think Apple holds?

VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO does. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486648)

There is a difference.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486718)

Exactly.
Apple uses mainboards that are nearly vanilla Intel spec... They just make them a bit smaller than other companies. Who is VIA after? Apple doesn't use hardware different from anybody else... And if VIA already has a license with Intel what is there sueing Intel's customer? Unless they're after nVidia?

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (1, Troll)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486776)

Fine with me. Any lawsuit against Apple is good news, IMO.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486912)

Yes, because they're a company out trying to make money by selling a product in a free market that you don't like. Not like Google or Microsoft, they're friends.

What is with the pathetic brand hatred amongst nerds on the internet.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487122)

Meh.

Coke/Pepsi
Christianity/Islam
Xbox/Playstation
Star Wars/Star Trek
Twilight/Good books

Everyone will always find something retarded to go all tribal over. It keeps things interesting. I just wish I could see what stupid crap the great divide will be over 2,000 years from now :)

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (0)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487132)

I don't know. I'll ask the pathetic losers on digg.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (0)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487276)

What is with the pathetic brand hatred amongst nerds on the internet.

Give him a break; His dog got hit by a hipster texting on his iPhone 4, an iPad2 killed his brother just to watch him die, and an iPod Touch knocked-up his super-model Canadian girlfriend, and he's stuck with trying to avoid paying child support (in Canadian dollars! In this economy!!).

A few bad Apples can spoil the whole bunch for some people.

No, because Apple is a patent troll. (2, Insightful)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487320)

Instead of competing in a free market, Apple files frivolous IP lawsuit all the time.

Apple is scared to death of Android, and Apple is Tonya Harding tactics to compete.

And Apple has been pulling this sort of crap for decades.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (0)

ewieling (90662) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487468)

I feel the same way about Microsoft. Apple may be evil in many ways, but compared to Microsoft, they are a saint.

Re:VIA doesn't have a vested interest, the CEO doe (1)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486784)

Well ol Daryl Mcbide had a "vested interest" in SCO; oh yeah he was also the CEO. CEO's DO NOT NEED A WIFE to make decisions based on emotions or any flitting human trait, they can fuck up just fine on their own.

ARM (1)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486754)

They are suing Apple over things that are obviously in the ARM core they licensed.

Re:ARM (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486860)

Not necessarily, it all depends upon the terms that they were licensed under. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some language in the license that allows VIA to revoke the license to use those patents in cases where the licensee is suing allies for allegedly infringing upon their patents.

And unlike trademarks, there is no legal requirement that I know of that a party enforces ones patent protections for them to remain available.

Re:ARM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487208)

They are suing Apple over things that are obviously in the ARM core they licensed.

Just because they are in the ARM core and Apple licensed the ARM core doesn't mean the ARM core being used by Apple doesn't infringe upon them.

Wow. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486772)

My connection's a little lossy today. I read that as "VIA...patents...Centaur!"

The Phone Wars (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486802)

In a galaxy far away, large corporate conglomerates wage battle to gain dominance in the vastness of space. The only hope of survival are a small, but pathetic force of Jedi nerds who resist the insidious marketing ploys and legal shenanigans of these dominating legal war mongrels. Will these Jedi nerds prevail? Stay tuned for continuing episodes of the Phone Wars.

Other quotes:

"These are not the phones you are looking for"

"Apple. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"

Toilet paper (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486856)

I need some toilet paper, what to do?- hey I know!! I have these worthless USA patents that no longer have any credibility, I'll just wipe my arse with those, they're of no other use.

OFFTOPIC: faster than neutrino all over the web (-1, Offtopic)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486864)

Where are +5 comments on /. on this?

Apple's going to lose this (0, Flamebait)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486870)

And by "this" I don't mean this specific instance, but the whole patent war they initiated to destroy Android. Why? Because they partnered with Microsoft in this endeavor. Whoever partners with Microsoft ends up sucking it, hard.

Already the bullshit lawsuit about rounded corners is starting to turn sour for Apple. Apple doesn't understand how vicious South Korean style of management can be - Samsung execs are not going to forget this easily. Oh no. Add Google acquiring the Motorola patent portfolio, HTC being pissed off and now a little salvo from VIA... yeah, Apple's going to suck it.

Re:Apple's going to lose this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487188)

You get what you give, you know what I mean
Don't be surprised there's a bug in your eye

When did Apple partner with Microsoft? (1)

kervin (64171) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487266)

Because they partnered with Microsoft in this endeavor.

When did Apple partner with Microsoft? What did I miss?

Here is the Web of Mobile Patent Lawsuits [reuters.com] . How on earth is Microsoft and Apple partners?

Re:When did Apple partner with Microsoft? (2)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487370)

It was a claim made by Google's David Drummond, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer [blogspot.com] . Basically, Apple and Microsoft banded together with some others to acquire the Nortel patent warchest to use against Android. See TechCrunch: "How Apple Led The High-Stakes Patent Poker Win Against Google, Sealing Ballmer's Promise" [techcrunch.com] . Apple and MS also banded together to acquire the CPTN patent pool. Why? Over half a million Android devices are activated every day. [venturebeat.com] Half a million! How many winPhones and iPhones have been sold in total their entire history? Android is a huge threat to both Apple and MS, some would say the biggest threat, so it makes sense for them to work together.

Re:When did Apple partner with Microsoft? (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487386)

Because they partnered with Microsoft in this endeavor.

When did Apple partner with Microsoft? What did I miss?

Here is the Web of Mobile Patent Lawsuits [reuters.com] . How on earth is Microsoft and Apple partners?

A consortium including both Apple and Microsoft bid against Google for patents from Nortel and Novell, I believe this is what he is referring to, it was very highly publicized.

BBBRRRIINNNGGG IITTT OONNN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37486914)

Like the wheel-chair copy guy in FG !!

Mad (2)

lastx33 (2097770) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486924)

The patent business is completely mad. Eventually (not so far in the future methinks), the world will grind to a halt as everyone will be in court fighting patent cases rather than doing anything productive.

Wenchi Chen? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37486994)

Good thing that's a guy - the name almost demands an EEOC complaint all by itself.

This is music to my ears (1)

gottspeed (2060872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487062)

I am just thrilled that the world of commerce is about to whip the delusions of grandeur out from under Apple. They wanted controversy instead of co-operation because they have a sense of entitlement, and now they have it. They want foes instead of friends, and the universe has provided. I'm even more thrilled that all the Apple fan-boys are going to have to work overtime convincing themselves and their burned out temporal lobes that corporate worship isn't a sub-human enterprise.

Power Couple (2)

hipp5 (1635263) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487110)

CEO Wenchi Chen is married to the head of HTC

Holy fuck they must be rich.

Re:Power Couple (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487316)

CEO Wenchi Chen is married to the head of HTC

Holy fuck they must be rich.

Not for long if that pig keeps demanding things like: "get me a beer, wench!" Divorce can be brutal on a bank account.

First thing that came to mind reading this... (3, Funny)

Mistakill (965922) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487128)

HTC is literally in bed with VIA

FUD (3, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487156)

Total FUD. Via runs passenger trains in Canada. Their chips are horrible AND expensive.

Re:FUD (2)

bruno.fatia (989391) | more than 2 years ago | (#37487274)

I'm sure you'd rather have an iTrain with an iChip. It would be shiny and one hundred times more expensive than anyone else's. And you'd have to buy tickets with iTunes.

Grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37487456)

I am sick to death of the silly patent lawsuits.

After 1 year of filing the patent, yes I said filing, to enforce a patent you have to have a current product using the patent or it becomes void PERIOD.

Once said product is no longer available for purchase to the intended target audience then the patent is open game.

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