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Italy Prepares '"One Strike" Anti-Piracy Law

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the no-second-chances dept.

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angry tapir writes "The Italian government is preparing an anti-piracy law that could ban Internet users from access after one alleged copyright infringement, a lawyer and an analyst warned. ISPs would be required to use filters against services that infringe copyright, trademark or patents under terms of the draft law. The proposed changes to Italy's e-commerce directive were drafted in July by members of parliament belonging to the Il Popolo della Libertà (PdL) party of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi."

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EZTV (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487406)

What will this mean for eztv.it?

Not surprising from that party (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487416)

What could we expect from a government endorsed by the heirs of Mussolini's Fascist Party?

Re:Not surprising from that party (0)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487744)

A mixture of evil and profound incompetence?

Re:Not surprising from that party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488116)

That's handbags at dawn at the Saint Peter's Square where the claimed pirates face convicted pedophiles, with underage belly dancers providing the entertainment and local gelato dealers keeping the temperature appropriate for the spectators form the near-by buildings.

Filtering traffic eh? (3, Interesting)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487422)

So anything that gets by this amazing filter isnt considered piracy? Sweet.

Re:Filtering traffic eh? (1)

KingBenny (1301797) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487452)

if it's that simple i'd like to pre-order a few filters please ... i think it calls for an invisible intra-internet , the way it's going, if they can't see it, there's no problem, that seems to be the general idea

In Other Words (4, Insightful)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487424)

The Italian government is acting as the protector of corporate profits. What a white knight they are! Can there be a "One Strike" bad politician law so that after their first major fuck-up they get to go to federal PMIA prison for a minimum of 1 year? What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

Re:In Other Words (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487474)

Well, more directly of Berlusconi's corporate profits. Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me. A crook, a disgusting old letch, and on top of it a complete ass, who for all his vaunted business skills, is still overseeing the drive to keep Italy one of the "I"s in "PIIGS".

Re:In Other Words (4, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487664)

Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me.

I'm not so sure he can be drowned. Judging from the quality of the poontang he gets, he must be able to breathe through his ears.

Either that or the women are just hookers, which is probably more likely.

You would think that if the people of Italy didn't drown Berlusconi for the way he's run the country, at least they'd drown him for having sex with an underage girl. But after having spent years living and working in Italy, I'm comfortable saying that most Italians don't really believe women are fully human. Women in Italy are treated at least as badly as those in the most conservative muslim countries, albeit in a less obviously ugly way. And I say this as the son of Italian immigrants. As a people they've got a lot to recommend them, but respect for women is not part of it.

Hell, just last year an Italian man was given a suspended sentence after being found guilty of murdering his wife because she had been "disrespectful".

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487850)

Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me.

I'm not so sure he can be drowned. Judging from the quality of the poontang he gets, he must be able to breathe through his ears.

Either that or the women are just hookers, which is probably more likely.

You would think that if the people of Italy didn't drown Berlusconi for the way he's run the country, at least they'd drown him for having sex with an underage girl. But after having spent years living and working in Italy, I'm comfortable saying that most Italians don't really believe women are fully human. Women in Italy are treated at least as badly as those in the most conservative muslim countries, albeit in a less obviously ugly way. And I say this as the son of Italian immigrants. As a people they've got a lot to recommend them, but respect for women is not part of it.

Hell, just last year an Italian man was given a suspended sentence after being found guilty of murdering his wife because she had been "disrespectful".

Exact same experience in 2 years living in Italy. Date-rape, for instance, is just considered to be a normal stage of a date.

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488474)

... I'm comfortable saying that most Italians don't really believe women are fully human. Women in Italy are treated at least as badly as those in the most conservative muslim countries, albeit in a less obviously ugly way. And I say this as the son of Italian immigrants. As a people they've got a lot to recommend them, but respect for women is not part of it.

Hell, just last year an Italian man was given a suspended sentence after being found guilty of murdering his wife because she had been "disrespectful".

I think that's not correct. Italians women aren't treated as in muslim counties: i agree that women's situation in Italy is quite hard, but for fundamentally different reasons - economic and cultural ones, rather than religious.

And, about the suspended sentence: look, it is not due to being partial over a sex or the other, but simply a to the fundamentally broken legal system we have here in Italy.

Since the greater part of our politicians (which, let me remember, we CANNOT CHOOSE because of the completely fuck*d up election law we have here) it's composed of morons, corrupts, half-criminals and the like, our legal system is full of loopholes.
Sentencing jail for someone - and keeping him into - is really hard if you're rich.

For instance, in Italy you don't need to show in a trial that you are "innocent": making it long enough makes possible to escape the law through a quite unique interpretation of the "statute of limitations" concept.
While in every sane country there is a maximum time for a legal proceeding to be started, which is understandable, in Italy there's a maximum time for it to be ENDED!
If you, with a good attorney, can make the trial long enough... "Puff", the trial vanishes!

That's what our Prime Minister always tries to do with his trials: shifting them past the "prescription" time limit.

Re:In Other Words (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487752)

Not that Italy has ever been one to embrace fascism, but between this, putting the geologists on trial for murder for failing to protect the earthquake, the likelihood of economic default, and the population dying off faster than it's being replaced ... what the heck is going on over there? Oh, and they bought Chrysler, of all things.

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487964)

Man, them Chrysler 300s big pimpin! It look like a Phantom!

Re:In Other Words (1)

Kreigaffe (765218) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488148)

It's Italy. Nothing is going on over there... it's just Italy. This is the sort of stuff you should just expect coming from the Italian government. That's just... how they are. If you check your Big Book of European Stereotypes, dysfunctional government and bureaucracy will be listed under "Italy"

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488300)

Here's a little movie by an Italian which about sums it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ10QTIXlEA

Re:In Other Words (1)

Rhywden (1940872) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488308)

Damn, sent this as AC. Once more, this time with the proper user:
Here's a little movie by an Italian which about sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ10QTIXlEA [youtube.com]

Re:In Other Words (1)

Wrath0fb0b (302444) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487838)

Well, more directly of Berlusconi's corporate profits. Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me. A crook, a disgusting old letch, and on top of it a complete ass, who for all his vaunted business skills, is still overseeing the drive to keep Italy one of the "I"s in "PIIGS".

He's an ass but what the hell is with this preening moralism getting modded up on /.? Who the fuck cares whether he's a prude or a pervert and, moreover, what's wrong with setting the example that the elderly can have just as active a sex life as anyone else (aside from the fact that we'd rather not visualize it)? He's a single man and I'm just as happy for him getting his jollies as anyone else on this planet.

You gain little by injecting your sexual politics into it, as though we should be less likely to support him (and I don't support him because, as I said above, he is an ass) because he sleeps around.

Re:In Other Words (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487876)

You mean showing disapproval of the Italian PM hiring underage hookers is "injecting my sexual politics"?

Re:In Other Words (0)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488096)

Well, it is. There's no legitimate reason for prostitution to be illegal and "underage" is an entirely arbitrary notion and changes from country to country.

Re:In Other Words (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488132)

Yeah. Dumb motherfuckers elsewhere will be the first to condemn it, yet will be the first to stick their dicks in that tight nubile pussy (or ass) once they get the opportunity outside the limelight.

Those are the types that are best left to becoming Catholic Priests - telling little Billy that God says it's okay for Father Pazzi to stick his dick in Billy's ass or mouth, as long as Billy doesn't tell anyone, because God said so.

Then the church pays out while Father Pazzi goes to another parish and rapes other little boys, and is never subject to the penal system of his host country. Meanwhile, 17 year old boys in America are being labelled sex offenders for being caught pissing in bushes or sending nakkies to their girlfriends.

Re:In Other Words (2)

Rhywden (1940872) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488330)

Well, it is. There's no legitimate reason for prostitution to be illegal and "underage" is an entirely arbitrary notion and changes from country to country.

The problem is not so much the hookers but where he gets them from - the guy supplying the hookers is another crook...

Re:In Other Words (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487936)

How many politicians are there that we can be proud of ? I'm French, so I'm accounted for ^^ The US have jumped from Clinton to Sonny Bush to Obama, the USSR have Putin, the Canada just recently lost half of theirs, Belgium seem to have lost all of them... I have nothing on Cameron and Merkel, but I'm not following very closely.

Berlusconi is slightly worse than those, but not at lot.

Re:In Other Words (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488380)

And crucifixion is slightly worse than stoning. Your point being?

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488130)

Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me.

Considering that it's Italy, a good old-fashioned Roman crucifixion may be more appropriate. Maybe I've been playing Fallout New Vegas too much lately, but it seems to me more and more that the Legion has the right idea about what to do with degenerates like this guy.

Double standards never benefit the unrich (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487482)

I hope you are thoroughly modded up, good sir.

Whenever there's a double standard, it's always the rich that are on the better end. Why is it that you never see double standards benefit the un-rich? At the very best, the less fortunate can hope for temporary equality, but never an advantage.

Re:Double standards never benefit the unrich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487572)

You should take a look at Indian laws then,
They have reservations for EVERYONE except middle class and above men

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487528)

Can there be a "One Strike" bad politician law so that after their first major fuck-up they get to go to federal PMIA prison for a minimum of 1 year?

I wonder how many life sentences that would amount to for Berlusconi...

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487532)

What Italian government? You mean the Berlusconi media empire?

In Berlusconi Italia, government IS the corporate MAFIAA. Quite literally. That word never fitted better.

Re:In Other Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488318)

Since this targets alleged infringement rather than those found guilty, just report them for infringing on your copyrights, shouldn't take too long before the law gets repealed. If you don't want to go to the effort of finding out the politicians' IPs, report all Italian addresses, the eventual effect would be the same, though more innocents would get caught in the crossfire.

Mamma Mia! (2)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487428)

Now I know many countries have proposed or implemented a 3 strike law (much like my own - NZ) mostly to cosy up to the US.

How cosy does Italy want to be?

Italy is a shitty country run by corrupt fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487434)

News at 11

Re:Italy is a shitty country run by corrupt fascis (0)

JustOK (667959) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487462)

is that two noodles pm or two noodles am?

Re:Italy is a shitty country run by corrupt fascis (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487806)

Italy uses a 24 hour clock so I'd say AM

Re:Italy is a shitty country run by corrupt fascis (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488392)

Unlikely. Nobody works at 11am in Italy. Either they're not in yet or at lunch break.

This will never fly (5, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487446)

But that's not the point of this bill.

It's the industry proposing something just short of decapitation, versus the current situation that non-profit file sharing is explicitly legal.

Somewhere in the middle is "compromise" where everyone loses except the rent-seeking gatekeepers of culture.

"See, it wasn't as bad as what we wanted"

--
BMO

Re:This will never fly (4, Informative)

mgiuca (1040724) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487690)

"See, it wasn't as bad as what we wanted"

This technique is so common that there's a name for it: The Door-in-the-face technique [wikipedia.org] .

The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. ... A reference point construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement.

Re:This will never fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488466)

It is effectively countered by the Emily Brown technique (see "That Rabbit belongs to Emily Brown")

Re:This will never fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487762)

Oh, for a moment there I was scared. So long as the moderates win out with a nice compromise, everything will be just fine.

Re:This will never fly (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487882)

What compromise ?

"I want to be able to down load music legally".... that happened
"I only want 1 track not the whole album" .... that happened
"Its too expensive".... and yet in real terms music has never been cheaper
"We only want to audit the music" .... if that were true then 8bit, mono, 22KHz sampled music would suffice, however it all seems to be the highest quality

The truth is there is only 1 compromise that would be acceptable, all music must be free, and the musicians should get a "real job" if they want to earn money because as soon as the music becomes free then live concerts will be considered a "rip off" as "the quality is not as good", "they did not play the songs I like","its too expensive".... etc.

Re:This will never fly (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488024)

You make some good points, though it was probably smart to post anon. We have gotten most everything we ever asked for.

And while it might not be a popular opinion, I take no issue with people selling music. I do think the trillion dollar suits, and various other obscene reactions against anyone that shares songs, are totally absurd.

Re:This will never fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488342)

"I want to own the music that I purchased legally"

Re:This will never fly (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488404)

I want to use the music I buy on the medium I choose.
I want to archive and store it where and how I please.
I want to watch a movie without hours of ads for movies I don't give half a shit about.
I want to store those movies on my (media) server hard drive instead of discs, which are prone to break and which I'd have to find first of all in the mess of my apartment.
I want to play the games I buy without having to have a connection to the internet if it is not required for the game to work.
I want to use software without handing in everything but my shoe size about me before it allows me to use it.
I want to record and time shift shows off TV the way I see fit and I expect the ads to be skipable. That technology was already very available on Betamax.

need I go on?

Democracy? (1)

Clsid (564627) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487458)

I wonder what kind of offense it takes for the Italian govt to take down your water or electric service. Pasta is taking over their brains it seems.

Re:Democracy? (1)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487504)

not so much the pasta, but the hookers and blow.

trademarks or patent can = a strike? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487506)

seeing how board trademarks and patent are just cut off all of Italy to save time.

Welcome to even worse class disparity (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487538)

This would be the proverbial sh*t hitting the fan, but it's a magic fan that doesn't throw the stuff back on the rich, political or famous figures, only the common folk. The first-mentioned group will just have all charges dropped behind the scenes automatically, with no mention to the public at all, while the common folk will lose Internet access even for minor stuff.

Re:Welcome to even worse class disparity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487736)

This would be the proverbial sh*t hitting the fan, but it's a magic fan that doesn't throw the stuff back on the rich, political or famous figures, only the common folk. The first-mentioned group will just have all charges dropped behind the scenes automatically, with no mention to the public at all, while the common folk will lose Internet access even for minor stuff.

Do you ever think for once that maybe natural selection is real, that those "rich" are a vastly outnumbered minority of the population that nonetheless manages to stay on top of everyone else because of inherent intellectual superiority?

I mean, just give it a "what if?" It's not important if you agree with it. It's important you have some way to address the question though. How we deal with the fact some people have a hell of a lot more than others rests on it, and maybe you noticed that subject has caused a lot of conflict for a very long time.

As for me, I think if there is a conspiratorial wealthy elite who look out for each other and work together against everyone else ... one thing that would help them is class warfare. It's called divide and conquer. It's what they do about the fact that we exceedingly outnumber them. If you don't understand that and strategy in general, you are not ready to form serious opinions on this subject.

Re:Welcome to even worse class disparity (5, Insightful)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487868)

or, much more likely they inherited opportunities that aren't afforded to others. Once you have an advantage (ie money for the rich), then its prudent to keep on using your advantage to leverage yourself some more advantage... (ie, it's a lot easier to make money when you already have some).

if they use that money to affect politics in ways that the majority are against, then the working class are already at a disadvantage as they can't afford to compete in the same domain.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.

filter patent infringement? (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487550)

It's a bit hard to see how they filter out patent infringements, but doing so probably violates someones patent!

Interesting... (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487554)

A three-strike law should be sufficient for movies and video games. A one-strike law is for something else... trade secrets perhaps. They say the law is also on a "fast track".

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487898)

How can objective rules for human action in society be validly derived by picking arbitrary numbers based on sports rules?

ciao a tutti (1)

index0 (1868500) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487558)

!list

Will Big Media only get 1 strike if they pirate? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487560)

...because the major record labels and movie studies have NEVER engaged in copyright infringement... ever.

I'm SURE that this law would allow for the instantaneous shutdown of, say, the Recording Industry Association site if they are accused of copyright infringement.

Berlusconis Media Empire (1)

GuldKalle (1065310) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487568)

Doesn't Berlusconi own an italian media empire? Could this be a way to further solidify that power?

Shooting themselves in the foot (3)

jspenguin1 (883588) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487576)

If this passes, every single MP that votes for this will suddenly find hundreds of copyright complaints against them...

Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487784)

And they will get their internet access 2 minutes later. 10 minutes later, the police will be at your door. Who said anything about being able to make anonymous accusations?

Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488156)

Who says it needs to be anonymous? You say you have evidence that your personal recording was being shared from the MPs' computers. They choose not to enforce the law, and it is effectively negated - you win. They lose internet access, and are ultimately forced to repeal the law - you win. They do anything to you, they set a precedent that does the same to the recording industry, but times 1000 - you win. The best they can do without ruining the law completely is to give up their internet access until the cases are settled. They're not going to do that.

Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488416)

Just keep watching the webpage of Don Berlusconi's media empire and party. Some stock picture, some soundbite, some bullet for a list WILL be copied without consent of the rights holder.

And then you got the bull by his cojones.

Ironic... (2)

Brahma111 (1108583) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487584)

It's ironic that the very openness of Internet that made it so popular itself is being challenged. This type of Draconian law has the potential to snowball into a much bigger piece of sh*t where content provider and producers can twist the law to gain all sort of mileage. It also doesn't behoove well for the sophisticated search engines. Heck..providing anything other than a link to the actual content might become illegal altogether. The case of Belgian newspapers going after Google news is not going to be one of case.

Re:Ironic... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487792)

Links are already illegal here in the U.S. of Hollywood

Fun! (1)

sunfly (1248694) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487600)

I hope this passes, so I can pull up a comfy chair with some popcorn and watch the fallout.

Re:Fun! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488418)

Sure, I get to do all the work and you just watch them roast. C'mon, at least help a little!

So Youtube will be blocked in Italy? (2)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487622)

So Youtube will be blocked in Italy?

Frankly this is just dumb. The internet is full of all kinds of copyright infringement. Even the giant corporations like AOL, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc are all benefiting from the free exchange, linking, and displaying of other people's media/content without any contract.

Just go to huffingtonpost and see how many articles they link to, that they didnt write. Go to Youtube, and view all of the videos that violate copyright,

The entire internet is based on sharing content.

Re:So Youtube will be blocked in Italy? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488422)

Hmmmmmm.......

File a complaint about copyright violations against every single US company that has some kind of (internet) presence in Italy. There are copyrighted pictures, text passages, layouts and whatnot without the proper paperwork been done on pretty much every page, all you have to do is find it.

And then, let the US do the dirty work with da Don. Why get your hands dirty?

The 1980s called. (2)

scottbomb (1290580) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487632)

They have this technology called a dial-up BBS the Italians might be interested in. I see a market for the development of high-speed dial-up modems and a resurrection for land-line telephones.

it wont work (1)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487672)

I'm predicting a massive surge in encrypted traffic to/from italy.

Silvio Berlusconi (2)

Seraphim_72 (622457) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487720)

Il Duce [wikipedia.org] reborn.

Re:Silvio Berlusconi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488164)

Berlusconi! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Fascism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

They've gone stark raving mad ... (1)

Jerry (6400) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487722)

This is the same government that is trying to send Italian geologists to prison because they can't predict earthquakes when, in fact, NO geologist on the planet can reliably predict when an earthquake will occur, even if they were given a latitude of several years, much less a particular day.

Now, they want to transform their government into a cabal, in which corporations make the rules to minimize their own liability and maximize the liability of their customers and of their profits.

These actions can only be explained by assuming that the Italian politicians are totally corrupt, which is a pretty good assumption there and here in America. Can we be far behind?

Ban Cisco from the Internet ? (3, Informative)

bug1 (96678) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487728)

Cisco violated the GPL with Linksys.

Lets see Italy ban Cisco from using the internet.

What, the law only applies to individuals violating for personal use, its ok for companies to violating copyright for financial reasons. I get it now,

MAFIAA is strong in Italy

Re:Ban Cisco from the Internet ? (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488026)

Berlusconi is a media mogul. Did you expect better?

Controlling the news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487750)

This has very little to do with fighting piracy, that is just the excuse. Berlusconi has managed to retain power for two reasons: firstly, because he has been able to pass laws effectively protecting him from the Italian legal system; and secondly because between his personal media empire, and influence over the Italian state media, he has substantial capabilites to affect what information the Italian populace has access to. Note also that this reach extends overseas, as the Italian government provides significant financial support to many italian-expatriate news organizations in other countries (which it can then threaten to withdraw). While it is true he does not fully control all the news sources in Italy, he has narrowed the field down enough that his constituency can effectively be dissuaded from paying attention to them much the way Fox News in the U.S.A. employs charges of bias and spin to keep their viewers from thinking about, or exposing themselves to, other points of view.

A free and open internet is a threat to his powerbase in that it allows stories about scandals and corruption to be written and published by people who are not dependant on him for their jobs or funding. If this passes, it may well be taken advantage of by the copyright industry, but the main application will be shutting down, filtering out and otherwise censoring news reports the government isn't happy with. Italian bloggers who criticise Berlusconi will be cut off from the internet, sites that provide unfriendly italian-language coverage based in other countries will be filtered out - they'll never fully stop the flow of information, but if they can slow it down enough it will be too little to erode the ignorance in certain segments of the voting population on which their power rests.

BRILLIANT! (4, Insightful)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487812)

I wholeheartedly support this "One Strike" law. As the first barrage in the torrent (heh!) of complaints, let me fire this one off:

http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-steals-code-violates-linkware-license/ [torrentfreak.com]

I demand 100% complete disconnection of the MPAA, including subsidaries, partent companies, any company where any member of the MPAA (or subsidaries, parent companies, etc) is a shareholder in whole or in part, from ALL Italian users. They cannot connect to ANY Italian IP address, on pain of defying a court order (or whatever the punishment is for evading the 'one strike' law).

Any "evidence" gathered against Italian internet users is null and void because in order to gather that evidence they had broken the "one strike" rule in Italy. And, of course, the MPAA would never download something they didn't actually own the rights to, therefore committing copyright infringement themselves, right? Never? ...

Oh wait, the laws don't apply to those who make them? The MPAA is allowed to commit the worst kind of copyright infringement -- claiming you created something you didn't, and then using it for commercial purposes and making a bunch of money with it -- and that doesn't count as a strike? Because they are immune to their own law?

Oh damn.

Well, it was a nice thought anyway.

dgfdgdgfd (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487826)

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Re:dgfdgdgfd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488030)

I support this comment and/or service.

The one strike law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487830)

I once used three strikes too, but one is a much better heuristic. I estimate that it is sufficient in around 80% (with probability 99%) to 90% (with probability 30%) of all cases.

An example would be me entering an IRC channel and asserting my dominance. If the subjects do not submit and defer to me on that first pitch, odds are they will not be joining my harem of yes-men according to the above likelihoods, and termination will commence according to the GIFT and DOS principles.

Banking, Religion, Mafia, Copyright, Roman Slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487848)

The Italians were the first to get it right, and have known since the beginning of time, how to get paid for a transaction, without actually having to do physical labor. Insert idea into society, collect, rinse, repeat.

Bye bye Italy, been nice knowing you (1)

kheldan (1460303) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487874)

This will fail spectacularly. I anticipate Italy being completely off the internet in a few weeks once this goes into effect.

We are talking about Italy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487956)

this will be completely ignored by the users, the ISPs and the police. They're probably going to use it to shut down a few political blogs and then it'll go into the giant heap of unenforced laws.

Patents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37487886)

> required to use filters against services that infringe copyright, trademark or patents under terms of the draft law

Oh well, kernel.org is already down, so that at least takes care of people trying to illegally distribute the patent encumbered linux. They just need to put a filter in to stop microsoft.com, apple.com, samsung.com and google.com.

Eh... (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#37487986)

Whaddya gonna do?

Re:Eh... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488432)

I'd have an idea, but my lawyer said it's still illegal to shoot the dog.

Corrupt? (1)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488010)

I think it's plausible that the MPAA/RIAA or their local cutouts simply gave some of Berlusconi's cronies some big brown envelopes to introduce and fast-track this legislation. Given what we've seen of Mr Bunga Bunga in the past, nothing is surprising anymore.

There's no keeping a good old corrupt rent-seeker down, is there?

Comando Supremo (1)

E.I.A (2303368) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488034)

This is obviously a job for Benito. Why even wait for the first strike? Are the Italians getting soft? Do it Cheney Style; preemptively destroy them, and their children too. If they happen to be children - or teenagers - educate them: "Fascist education is moral, physical, social, and military: it aims to create a complete and harmoniously developed human, a fascist one according to our views" -Benny

Mandatory Link (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488068)

Of course there's an Italian chapter of the Pirate Party [partito-pirata.it] . Perhaps they can, motivated by the success in Berlin, start to oppose these measures in parliament and start promoting true digital age copyright reform.

What? Silvio will have to keep paying for ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488070)

Of course the Prime Minister will exclude p0rn from the bill.

No Wait We Can Do More! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488074)

ZERO STRIKES!

Get EVERY consumer BEFORE they Violate any Copyrights!

DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!

Are these the same dipshits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488246)

who hold international tourist on murder charges based on a "gut feeling" while siting satanic cults as a default? ... really I get Italy and Iran mixed up all the fucking time cause they are both completely lacking in common sense and the slightest bit of reason.

Re:Are these the same dipshits (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488440)

And both have a leader you can't spell right as a foreigner and who is batshit insane. Essentially, Italy is Iran without oil but more corruption.

pirate party (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488254)

The Il Popolo della Libertà (PdL) party of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi.
Is dust in the next election guaranteed if this goes through.

accusations are almost never true.

Re:pirate party (2)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488450)

You overestimate the smarts of the Italians and underestimate the amount of power Don Silvio wields over the media. Imagine Fox News (and affiliates) with a market share of about 95%. And now try to wrest the power from the Reps.

Services that infringe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488258)

So exactly which services *automatically* infringe copyright? For example, I use peer to peer networks (P2P) to download linux distributions. Everything within the distribution is Free Software covered under the GNU General Public License (GPL) and by its very nature is allowed to be redistributed. I bring this particular technology up because there are many (lawyers, judges, groups) who decry its use as "all bad" when it isn't. Its like saying all cars are bad because some people drink, then drive, and then kill other people. Any attempt to 'convict by association' is clearly using the idea that there exists someone within a set who is doing something illegal, so lets convict everyone within that set. Mathematically, logically, and legally this is non sequitur. Existential quantifiers are not the same as universal quantifiers. You might think Italians might know Latin, especially Italian Lawyers. Perhaps not though. Machiavelli showed how politicians operate, and likewise the MPAA/RIAA and their local cohorts. Draconian laws are their stock in trade. There are no services that infringe.

What happens if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488328)

Earlier I was reading about how it appears a few film torrents originated
from the SFI (Swedish Film Institute) - search BoingBoing.net for story.
I don't know if Sweden has a one (or three) strikes law, but what happens
if it happens to the Italian equivalent? Would they get cut off?

Wardriving (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488354)

This brings a whole new meaning to the term "wardriving." It could literally mean taking people's Internet connections down from the comfort of your car...

Europe ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488362)

Until it is possible to do everything online that you can do offline, piracy should be fully legal. I listen mostly international music that cannot be bought legally in europe as there is no rights for distribution or single shop that sells the music I listen so how come it can be illegal to download if you can't buy original ? Another thing is that where I live the native language is catalan language ( between 7 and 10 millions of people, 8th largest language inside europe ) but doesn't exist even single DVD that has catalan language so why should I pay a single euro for DVD that doesn't even bother to put language that I use ? Most local artits puts their CD:s for free to download and you pay because you want and ofcourse when you go to concert ( pay for work and not so much for promotion material ). In europe we say that there are no borders, but for me is illegal to watch TV from my country when I live inside another european country. Before countries creates laws maybe they should first garantee that rights of users are fully respected and make a way that there would be legal way to offer services to people. If everything is illegal and impossible, it is impossible to create services that anyone would pay.

Because... (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488442)

That's the most important economic problem the country has right now.

People illegally downloading Berlusconi's songs.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488448)

In other news: Mediaset* looses a further 6.98% on the Milan Stock Market making it a -54,93% steady drop in the last 12 months

http://it.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MS.MI#symbol=ms.mi;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

*a Silvio Berlusconi media company

Italy on a one strike law? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488470)

Won't fly. Considering how often they go on a strike, what will you do with them next week?

tax fraud (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37488476)

Condidering the prime minister's legal difficulties and court history, it might make more sense to introduce a one-strike tax fraud law.

Seriously though - one strike with or without judicial review is a seriously bad idea, but any system of punishment WITHOUT decisions by a judge after due process and not followed by judicial review is a slippery slope leading to abolition of democracy and freedom

This is not about copyright. (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | more than 3 years ago | (#37488494)

This allows italys facist dictator (he is) to block any pesky revolutions or some such that might pop up.
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