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The Mythical Tunnel Between CERN and Central Italy

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the just-the-facts-mam dept.

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fph il quozientatore writes "Mariastella Gelmini, the Italian minister of Public Education and Scientific Research, complimented the researchers for the recent (supposed) discovery of faster-than-light neutrinos. Her press release mentions that Italy funded the construction of a 'tunnel between the CERN [in Geneva] and Gran Sasso [the labs in Central Italy].' Google maps reports the distance between the two labs as over 900km — but of course once the tunnel is open to traffic the trip will be much faster."

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Future tunnel (4, Funny)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511580)

He was speaking of the future tunnel that the faster than light neutrino's already know about so they can follow it.

Re:Future tunnel (1)

brindafella (702231) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511676)

> He was speaking of the future tunnel that the faster than light neutrino's already know about so they can follow it.

How sexist are you?!? (Just kidding... but not:-)

Mariastella Gelmini [wikipedia.org] -- the Italian Minister of Education [governo.it] -- is female, and quite 'feminine [ads-news.com] '.

Re:Future tunnel (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512004)

Also the female pronoun in sentence 2.
Maria(stella) should be a fairly obvious female name in the Western world anyway.

Re:Future tunnel (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512212)

John Wayne's real name was Marion.

Maria could be a man.

LK

Re:Future tunnel (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512276)

Well, there are a few exceptions. :)

Re:Future tunnel (1)

ppanon (16583) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512482)

Particularly in one of the few remaining countries in Western Europe with a strong Catholic presence. It used to be that it was very common, maybe practically requisite, for Joseph and Marie (Giuseppe/Maria) to be used as middle names for Catholics. A politician in Berlusconi's right wing government would be more likely to be from that tradition. That said, stella means star and is also typically a female name/postfix, so the combination made the minister's femininity quite likely.

Re:Future tunnel (4, Funny)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512032)

Bartender "We do not serve neutrinos in here"

A neutrino walks in to a bar.

Re:Future tunnel (4, Funny)

Yohahn (8680) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512106)

Bartender "We do not serve neutrinos in here"

A neutrino walks in to a bar.

and the last line:

Have you heard the joke about the faster than light neutrino?

Darkies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511584)

Negroes speak this kind of pidgin that brainwashed liberal idiots like to call "ebonics". They pretend it is another dialect and not a low-class, gutter, illiterate bastardization of American English. Thats funny. You realize that no other racial or ethnic group still has a discernable "accent" after 3 natural-born generations? In 200+ years how many generations of negroes has there been in America? Oh and get this. It's not just American blacks. In Spanish-speaking countries the negroes don't speak correct Spanish either and have also been there for many generations. They're just stupid and less capable. Why not admit it?

Tard Party is 70% Confederate, 100% Retarded (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511914)

Which confederate state are you from?

You sound like a slightly more educated version of Rick Perry, Tard Party poster-child, and the mentally retarded governor of America's dumbest state.

Then again, ignorant southerners all sound the same to me.

Re:Tard Party is 70% Confederate, 100% Retarded (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511932)

Which confederate state are you from?

You sound like a slightly more educated version of Rick Perry, Tard Party poster-child, and the mentally retarded governor of America's dumbest state.

Then again, ignorant southerners all sound the same to me.

You sound like a niggerlover. May your wife become a fat sow with tits on the back because of the rolls of fat hanging off her shoulder blades, and soon after may she give birth to a half-black kid she swears is yours. Then you will see what nigger is all about, honky!

Re:Darkies (1, Interesting)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511944)

I really do hate to appear to be supporting an obvious troll, but IQ tests bear the same "racial prejudice". Asians tend to score higher (on average) than other ethnic groups, while those of African descent tend to score lower than others. European ancestry puts one squarely in the middle of the curve. There is great debate and controversy over whether there is a "cultural bias" towards "differing skill sets", but no one has anything they can actually call a theory without sounding racist, so any discussion is moot.

Before you mod me into Flamebait/Troll oblivion along with the parent, please keep in mind that I can actually back my statements up with facts [wikipedia.org] *., and I'm not actually being racist myself, merely pointing out that this particular racist misinformation has a basis in actual, factual for-really-reals facts. Of course, I will cheerfully accept an "Off-Topic" mod, because we're not commenting on the correct article. A better place for this discussion would have been here [slashdot.org] .

Keep in mind, moderation is anonymous, so no one will know if you mod this "Informative" or "Interesting" instead of "Troll" or "Flamebait".

* I could find something more informative than wikipedia, but it expresses the gist of the information I wish to convey, and I'm being lazy due to the lateness of the hour in my geographic location.

Re:Darkies (1, Insightful)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512014)

Yes, being hypersensitive about race to the point of not being able to have legitimate scientific discussions about things like this is a problem.
Pissed-off people like this AC aren't helping the situation.

Re:Darkies (3, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512230)

I'm black and I score at least three standard deviations above the norm on IQ tests.I don't buy the culturally biased bullshit about the tests.
Unfortunately there's an anti-intellectual theme in much of African American culture. Through peer and societal pressure, black kids learn to under-perform.

If I'm black and I can do well academically, then others can too. Just pull your damned pants up and read a book.

LK

Re:Darkies (1)

grizzifus (2021406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512368)

Honestly, when I think of why prejudice is bad, it's not because "all subgroups of society are equal on average", that's definitely not true socio-economically and it's probably not completely true genetically. The reason prejudice is bad is because within each subgroup the range of possible qualities a person can have are huge!, where as the differences between the averages of subgroups are almost negligible. So if you go around comparing everybody by the average of their subgroups your going to be right not much more than 50% of the time. Whereas, because of the huge differences between individuals, you only need to spend a small amount of effort to make decent comparisons on individual merit, which is what people should do.

Unfortunately I think this can be a bit hard to explain, so for the most part we just say "all subgroups of society are equal on average" and hope that the result is the same. :(

Faster, yes, but... (2)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511592)

There's still the problem of all those pesky particles flying at high speed down the center stripe.

dual it and have 2 one way tunnels (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511596)

dual it and have 2 one way tunnels

Re:dual it and have 2 one way tunnels (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512438)

looks great

Re:dual it and have 2 one way tunnels (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512540)

>>dual it and have 2 one way tunnels

Just make sure you paint signal directional markings to provide optimal signal transfer, like a Denon ethernet cable.

Re:Faster, yes, but... (1)

Keramos (1263560) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511758)

And constantly breaking the speed limit,

Re:Faster, yes, but... (3, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511770)

There's still the problem of all those pesky particles flying at high speed down the center stripe.

Oh, and the best part is that you'll never see it coming.

Re:Faster, yes, but... (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511912)

You'll see it coming after it happens.

Re:Faster, yes, but... (1)

hamster_nz (656572) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512130)

Which is why it must be all wrong - causality becomes inconsistent.... maybe gravity moves a the speed of massless neutrinos, and it is actually photons that have a very tiny rest mass? Has anybody measured the speed of gravity with equal precision?

If you have a neutrino emitter travelling at high speeds some distance away from you all the inconsistencies that general relativity irons out become problems again.

And what happens with red-shift... you can lower the wavelength of a photon due to red shift, but could you red-shift neutrinos?

All very exciting stuff for us "armchair physics" geeks.

The tubes were there... (3, Informative)

Thruen (753567) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511612)

I thought they just sent it through the same tubes the internet uses? Aren't neutrinos almost as small as golf balls? They'd fit easy.

Re:The tubes were there... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511658)

Actually, they are a LOT smaller than golf balls, they are about the size of your balls. That makes them nearly undetectable.

oh snap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511796)

ooooo... BURN! XD

Re:oh snap! (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511892)

Is it high school again in here? Damn those neutrinos...

Re:The tubes were there... (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512062)

they are about the size of your balls. That makes them nearly undetectable.

Neuterinos?

Re:The tubes were there... (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512322)

German for new Terinos
Terino (Canis lupus familiaris): domestic dog breed know for their irritating barking at speeds faster than light (ie: you'll never see it comming and you never hear the end of it)

sure looks like she was misinterpreted (2)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511622)

Italy has contributed to the construction of the tunnel between CERN and Gran Sasso Laboratories, through which the experiment took place, with a sum now estimated at around 45 million euros.

It sounds like she's saying that Italy contributed to the tunnel, through which the experiment took place, by way of contributions from Gran Sasso Labs totalling 45 million euros. Bad translation into English, and possibly bad sentence structure in Italian. (I don't speak Italian so I can't judge.)

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (2)

wes33 (698200) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511640)

so you really think this 900 km tunnel
exists, do you?

Re:sure looks like an americunt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511680)

so you really think this 900 km tunnel exists, do you?

Why not? That's like 3 miles, right?

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (2)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511956)

No, I don't. That was the point of my post. The experiment took place in a "tunnel" at the LHC. She's saying that Italy contributed financially, along with CERN, to the construction of that tunnel.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511964)

Or, at least, I was assuming it took place in a tunnel at the LHC. She might have assumed the same, regardless of whether that is in fact the case.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512224)

I believe in the tunnel. I just believe it's only a few neutrinos wide.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (2)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512252)

I believe in the tunnel. I just believe it's only a few neutrinos wide.

Or perhaps to put it another way: for a neutrino, everywhere is a tunnel.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512466)

I'm confused. Italy funded that too, right?

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511648)

From the italian press release: "Alla costruzione del tunnel tra il Cern ed i laboratori del Gran Sasso"

It seems the word "tunnel" is shared between English and Italian. That said, the cultural context and definition /could/ be different, meaning instead not a literal tunnel but ... ahh whatever.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511696)

It seems the word "tunnel" is shared between English and Italian.

Yes, but it is clearly an English word, used in Italian. While not an expert Italian speaker, to me the use of the word "tunnel" seems odd, since the word often used for a literal tunnel is "galleria". According to one website, there are some idiomatic uses of "tunnel" in relation to drugs, so perhaps it has some other meanings which may make more sense in the context of this quote.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512078)

Perhaps it's Engtalian rather than Italian. :D

You're always hearing odd English phrases and words in sentences, even when they have a word in their language for it already.

Re:sure looks like she was misinterpreted (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512292)

It's probably Italish rather than Engtalian.

No, it was not... (4, Informative)

feranick (858651) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511652)

As an Italian speaker I can confirm that there is no mistranslation. She really said a tunnel was in place and Italy contributed the money to build it....

Re:No, it was not... (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511784)

She wouldn't have been the first to assume there was a tunnel.
Many posters here on slashdott had to be reminded that there was no tunnel in the prior post on this subject.
Apparently the idea that you can send tiny particles thru the earth itself is a difficult concept to get across.

Re:No, it was not... (2)

mcelrath (8027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511976)

Now go back and read her title: "Italian minister of Education and Scientific Research".

Re:No, it was not... (2)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512020)

Translation : a politician.

If you think that's news, welcome to planet Earth.

Re:No, it was not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512176)

*Whoosh* <-The sound of a neutrino flying over your head carrying the point of the GP's post (at the speed of light)

Re:No, it was not... (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512214)

Every democracy has government department head who are politicians or professional administrators, and very few are professionals in the field. This is by design.

There is no swoosh here, except over the heads of people naive enough to think administrators work their way up from the ranks.

Re:No, it was not... (1)

feranick (858651) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511990)

No, she wouldn't have been. However that kind of assumption is somehow inappropriate for someone that is in charge of science research policy making. It shows the lack of competence or care (whatever you think it's more important). While we do not require that anybody need to know that neutrinos travel through matter (although we could make a better effort in trying to teach that), it's expected that scientific accuracy, competence and correct insight to be of the person in charge of deciding what and what not makes sense in Italian scientific research. If the concept of particle traveling through matter is too difficult for her to grasp, she should step down and leave to the job to people maybe less attractive (the main reason she's there) but more competent.

Re:No, it was not... (1)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512022)

There's a good chance some poorly informed fluky wrote the letter and she just signed it. That is, she may have just been inattentive rather than stupid.

Re:No, it was not... (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512344)

Inattentive, incompetent, ignorant or stupid? Neither of those options are great, are they?

Re:No, it was not... (1)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512414)

No, but I'd rather have someone inattentively checking their press releases than an idiot.

Re:No, it was not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512404)

There's a good chance some poorly informed fluky wrote the letter and she just signed it. That is, she may have just been inattentive rather than stupid.

no, trust me, she is really stupid.

Re:No, it was not... (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512516)

if the concept of particle traveling through matter is too difficult for her to grasp, she should step down and leave to the job to people maybe less attractive (the main reason she's there) but more competent.

You got me to click through to TFA, but where's the pic?

Re:No, it was not... (2)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512246)

There is a tunnel and Italy did contribute the money to build it. They drilled it with neutrinos. It's a very narrow tunnel.

Since CERN is the leader in QM research (1)

waddgodd (34934) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511650)

Would this be a Quantum Tunnel?

Re:Since CERN is the leader in QM research (1)

clyde_cadiddlehopper (1052112) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511722)

Would this be a Quantum Tunnel?

It might be. It might not be. And it might be and not be simultaneously.

Re:Since CERN is the leader in QM research (1)

Nethead (1563) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511880)

Yes. They just forward biased a tunnel diode to cause quantum mechanical tunneling, which of course got through all the dirt and rock because they exhibit negative resistance.

what a shame (1)

giampy (592646) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511654)

If that's what she said, it's tragic other than funny. This administration of sad clowns, old thieves, and incompetent assholes (except perhaps the finance minister) has to go. The sooner the better. And i say it as an Italian who lives in LA but goes back yearly and still loves his country.

Re:what a shame (0)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511842)

These are the people who are prosecuting geologists for not predicting the earthquake.

As a man of reason, I'd advise you to flee, but it seems you already have. Good move.

Re:what a shame (1)

kulnor (856639) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512370)

Obviously all these tunneling neutrinos are the cause for earthquakes.... turning the planet into a superposition of Swiss cheese or Pamesan

I must be missing something (1)

Narnie (1349029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511688)

because all I get out of that release is:

- The neutrino can travel faster than light, good job scientists.

- We [Italy] spent a shitload of money to build a tunnel to make science happen, GOOD JOB US!!

- We continue to spend shittonnes of money to make science happen.

- All praise Italy!

I'm glad somebody out there is funding science, but why is she focusing on Italy's achievement to fund a science and not the scientists and the implication of their finding? I'm missing why Italy's contribution to CERN is worth 50% of that press release.

What I get out of that release, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511754)

Somebody's nephew in the construction business ("Friends of Silvio") made-off with the money!

So whatsa new about athat?

Re:I must be missing something (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511816)

"build a tunnel"

The tunnel doesn't exist. Fucking morons.

Re:I must be missing something (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512098)

"build a tunnel"

The tunnel doesn't exist. Fucking morons.

FTL travel without [wikipedia.org] space warping [wikipedia.org] will get you news from the future.

Re:I must be missing something (5, Insightful)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512108)

Things you're missing:
1. No such tunnel exists.
2. It would have to be hundreds of miles long, so tens of millions of Euros wouldn't make a dent in construction costs.
3. Neutrinos interact weakly enough with matter that they can be beamed through solid rock without much trouble, so a tunnel is unnecessary (even undesirable).
4. Faster than light neutrinos have not been "discovered" per se. The guys published their results in hopes that someone will find an error, or (mmmaaaybbbeee) in hopes that their results will be reproducible.
5. Faster than light neutrinos would require huge revisions to modern physics. For instance, under special relativity a faster-than-light particle time travels and destroys causality.
6. In light of (5), extreme caution should be taken in accepting and verifying these results. Congratulating scientists for their amazing discovery now is, to say the least, premature.

Re:I must be missing something (1)

brindafella (702231) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512248)

> - We [Italy] spent a shitload of money to build a tunnel to make science happen, GOOD JOB US!!
> I'm missing why Italy's contribution to CERN is worth 50% of that press release.

I agree.

What is missing is that the Italian economy is in a $#!+|0@& of trouble (but it's fixable) [time.com] , and this neutrino media release seems to make spending $#!+|0@&$ more into a virtue.

what (1)

planimal (2454610) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511698)

i'm worried that i completely understand this, but still have no idea what i just read what did TFA just say

DANGER!!!!!! ALERT! (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511700)

I warned you, but you laughed at my warnings and did not heed them. You mokced and called me a "trole" and an "offtopoc" ... BUT NOW IS THE HOUR OF TRUTH!!!!!!!!

THE ITALIAN ISLAMOCOMMUNIST TRAITORS ARE PLANNING TO BLOW UP OUR PLANET, POISON OUR WATER AND MAKE SEXY TO OUR WOMEN!

This tunnnel is hte proof of it! Americans, join the Campaign for a Free Internet now before it is too late, and help our fight to keep Italian infiltrators off our nation's internet and our nation's planet!!!!

Politicians should at least understand economics (2)

jrumney (197329) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511704)

I don't know what is worse. That she believes the tunnel exists, or that she believes that 45 million euro is a significant contribution towards building a 900km long tunnel.

Re:Politicians should at least understand economic (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511966)

I don't know what is worse. That she believes the tunnel exists, or that she believes that 45 million euro is a significant contribution towards building a 900km long tunnel that doesn't actually exist.

FTFY :)

Re:Politicians should at least understand economic (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512192)

I don't know what is worse. That she believes the tunnel exists, or that she believes that 45 million euro is a significant contribution towards building a 900km long tunnel that doesn't actually exist.

FTFY :)

Ah, but 45 Million euro is far too much for a 900km-long imaginary tunnel! I can build an imaginary tunnel 5 times as long for only 9.99 million Euro (99 cents).

Re:Politicians should at least understand economic (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512324)

That's not how government bidding works. All the other offers are in the 50 million Euro range, and since you don't have any experience in similar projects like our friends at established local corporations, your bid can obviously be eliminated as unrealistic. The project goes to the local corporation that delivered the previous tunnel -- unfortunately at twice the projected cost and with multi-year delays, but those were due to unforeseen circumstances, so now they clearly have the required experience to overcome the difficulties inherent in this kind of a tunnel project.

Translation looks accurate (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511710)

(Disclaimer: I don't speak Italian)

The word used in the Italian is "tunnel". At first I thought that this might be an example of how one shouldn't always translate a word as the closest sounding word in the target language, since the most closely etymologically related word may not be the most semantically close. This is how we get Dante's Inferno rather than just calling it "Hell" which would be a more accurate English translation. At least once in science this has created a real problem in the past, about a hundred years ago. The canals of Mars were started by the translation of the Italian word "canali" as canals even though "canali" didn't have the same connotation of artificial construction.

However, in this case it looks accurate. I checked with multiple online dictionaries and Google translate to see how they would translate "tunnel" from Italian to English. Everyone gave the obvious one. Just in case, I picked likely possible semantically related words (path, connection, link, beam, bridge) and asked Google for the Italian words. In none of those cases did it hit on tunnel. So it looks like the translation is accurate.

Question (2)

Shortgeek (971350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511728)

I haven't been following these results too closely, but I gather from the response here that the neutrinos did not travel through a tunnel. So, then, did they just travel through the Earth? I guess this wouldn't cause any or much interference, so I'm assuming that's what was done, but I haven't found this directly stated.

I think you've found the source of her confusion. (1)

reiisi (1211052) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511764)

I think you've probably pinpointed the source of her confusion.

Re:Question (2)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511768)

Correct. The neutrinos traveled through solid rock. Neutrinos don't interact with much so as far as they are concerned solid rock isn't a big deal. And you actually want to have the solid rock there. You wouldn't want an open tunnel- the process that creates the neutrinos creates a lot of other particles of all sorts of different types. But all of those get blocked by the rock. The experimental setup in particular needs to block both the muons and tauons. These particles can normally penetrate a lot o the point where stray muons from cosmic ray collisions are a major nuisance for sensitive neutrino detectors even when the detectors are deep underground. The Japanese big neutrino detector Kamiokande has a lot of special equipment to deal with just this. So in this case, having many kilometers of rock is necessary to let the whole thing work otherwise the stray particles would make it impossible to detect neutrino interactions with all the noise.

Re:Question (4, Informative)

Kagura (843695) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511988)

The common rule of thumb for neutrinos is that it take a sheet of lead one light-year thick in order to stop 50% of the neutrinos directed at it. Wow!

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Re:chip on board led module (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511982)

Looks like someone doesn't understand how the slashdot effect can apply to email addresses, angry nerds, and mailbombs.

Re:chip on board led module (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512312)

Cue video of melting server in 3... 2...

There is a tunnel (kind of) (2)

Egdiroh (1086111) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511782)

Well there is a project which is used to send neutrinos and has a decay tunnel. The tunnel just doesn't go all the way, as that's not needed.

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Research/CNGS-en.html [web.cern.ch]

Mod up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512464)

No, really. He's right and Mariastella Gelmini is right.

um.. Not that Educated But... (1)

Forestwalker (2428752) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511832)

Regardless of 'who' built the 'what'.. does it not at least cause the mind to wonder.. " If we can find 'faster than light' neutrinos , that we could develop or find a way to Sail on such a thing? " FTL Sails for Space travel? What are the ramifications of this find ? What could this find mean to FTL travel. That was my first thought upon reading the above.. not .. WHO BUILT WHAT and HOW MUCH THEY DID or DID NOT SPEND.. and what is the Meaning of the Word 'TUNNEL' . Just the Uneducated , Wanna be , Space File here. Or would that be Cosmo-phile? Trek E ? Wanna Be Science Geek ? and No , I don't speak Italian either.

Re:um.. Not that Educated But... (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511894)

Here, go read all 1036 comments [slashdot.org] .. You'll have a headache and some eyestrain but you will be much smarter.

fribst 4sot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37511864)

good mannerS [goat.cx]

PPTP saves the planet. (1)

hamster_nz (656572) | more than 2 years ago | (#37511948)

I have a tunnel between my router in New Zealand and a customer in the US of A

Once I've finished with it you are more than welcome to drive your car through it...

Re:PPTP saves the planet. (1)

TheDugong (701481) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512430)

But.... I wouldn't download a car.

kidding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512002)

I've been waiting for the neutrino story to pop up on slashdot, and this is it? seriously? a bunch of lame tunnel jokes?

Re:kidding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512528)

Other than the 1000 comments on the earlier story? You don't visit often enough, it seems.

Hi, I'm a faster-than-light nutrino! (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512056)

And to me this story is old news.

Re:Hi, I'm a faster-than-light nutrino! (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512330)

And to me this story is old news.

No, from your point of view, it hasn't happened yet.

Re:Hi, I'm a faster-than-light nutrino! (2)

jamesh (87723) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512514)

The thing about Slashdot is that you could be a slower-than-stopped particle, and the news would still be old.

(if you can have a particle that goes faster than light, then a particle that goes slower than stopped is surely possible!)

I'm confused (1)

tkel (2454568) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512096)

What happened?

Re:I'm confused (2)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512306)

An Italian politician has claimed responsibility for helping to fund a ~750km imaginary tunnel to the tune of 45 million Euro. There is no tunnel. Neutrinos (unlike cars) travel quite happily through the Earth without tunnels.

Being nice, and giving her the benefit of the doubt, you can forgive her for thinking a "tunnel" between the two places was necessary. Even if she's minister for Science, she is still just a politician. However, even more embarrassing is the failure of common sense that led her to believe that, should you build a 750km long tunnel, 45 million Euros would even begin to cover it. For comparison, the Channel Tunnel [wikipedia.org] , between South-East England and Northern France is around 50 km long. That project came in over-budget at GBP£4650 million in 1986 money. (Around 5400 million Euro). Though, granted, cars are bigger than neutrinos :)

Secondly, in her eagerness to jump on the bandwagon and accept responsibility for the hard work of the scientists involved, she is being extremely premature in accepting the results of the experiment as absolute fact. "Exceeding the speed of light is an epochal victory for scientific research around the world."

Translated using google translate (1)

sartin (238198) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512300)

Before criticizing the minister too harshly, you might want to consider that the linked blog is quotes the results of Google translate [google.com] on the actual press release in Italian [istruzione.it] . It's just possible that the results of google translate are a little inaccurate.

Excellent reporting. The citizen reporter is doing a great job today.

Please, remove this article and all comments (0, Troll)

aglider (2435074) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512310)

As it is offensive to Mariastella and all Italian women.
Moreover it is also a straight personal attack to the Italian PM.
This website is clearly directed and read by the Italian Left parties.
If you won't comply you'll be suded by our attoneys, have the website obscured in Italy and brought in prison for a year or two.
Sincerely yours
S.B.

No big deal (1)

CptNerd (455084) | more than 2 years ago | (#37512346)

The experiment's results are no big deal, one of the neutrinos just said "follow me, guys, I know a shortcut".

Yes, there's a tunnel! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37512526)

Gran Sasso is a mountain in eastern Italy. About 25 years ago, a tunnel (of the traffic kind) was made underneath the mountain. Physicists saw this as a great opportunity to build a particle physics lab, using the mountain as shielding from cosmic radiation. Usually such experiments (such as dark matter detectors) are placed deep underground in hard-to-get-to mines, but this lab is great since you can literally drive up to it. The lab is comprised of three (very) large sections that are right off of the main road.

Italy paid for this tunnel and the carving out of the lab space. Maybe she was confused or maybe the translation was poor, but Italy did indeed fund the construction of the tunnel underneath Gran Sasso as well as the laboratories underneath the mountain. So give them credit there.

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