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Can Newegg Survive the Post-PC Future?

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the agility-required dept.

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jfruhlinger writes "Upgrading your desktop PC's video card was once a rite of passage for many Slashdot readers — and could also be a gateway to building your own computer from the motherboard up. And more often than not, you bought the components from Newegg. But the tablets and ultrathin laptops that are today's hot sellers don't let you so much as swap in more RAM. What's a component retailer to do in world without user-serviceable components?"

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inb4 "The PC's not dead" holy war. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528264)

There will be blood.

Holy Wars ... the Punishment Due (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528538)

OK, let's get this started.

What's a component retailer to do in [a] world without user-serviceable components?

In a world without user-serviceable components, a component retailer wouldn't exist. So it's a good thing for component retailers that we do not live in a world without user-serviceable components.

I want to play Rage and Skyrim with the graphic detail maxed out, am I going to buy a tablet for that or am I going to order my shiny new SSDs and video card and mobo and other components from Newegg? The last computer I built was for Crysis when it came out, so it's time for a new one. And I never even got to fill up my terabyte RAID array.

They are welcome to India... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528266)

Hey NewEgg, if your market is exhausted in US, pls do come to India.

Demand is a LOT more than supply here:)

YES (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528274)

tablets are a fad

Re:YES (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528488)

Judging from the increase in use of laptops vs. desktops, apparently home-assembled PC's are, too.

Re:YES (2)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528574)

Interestingly there was a push back in 2006 by Intel to standardize the Laptop industry by making standards for cases, mobos, etc. so that they could be built by people.

If it is the case where laptops will overcome PCs, it may still happen.
Thus, these vendors will not be in as much trouble as PC manufacturers would like them to be.

Other stuff (4, Insightful)

Liamecaps (2428636) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528284)

That's probably why they advertise rice cookers in my inbox every morning. agh

Re:Other stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528342)

That and enterprise customers, my last couple work places are nearly exclusively Newegg for all the workstations and servers.

Re:Other stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528720)

I love my rice cooker from newegg

wasd + mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528286)

There is no other way to play FPS than on pc. So i'm with them till the end

Re:wasd + mouse (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528474)

Which is why I bought a tablet and BT KB. So I could RDP into my PC at home and play my FPS

Re:wasd + mouse (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528564)

What kind of 'net pipe do you have that can handle an RDP session with a moving graphical game in it and still leave it in a playable state? Or was this a humorous comment? :)

Re:wasd + mouse (3, Funny)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528650)

I said that's why I bought it. I didn't say I was successful. ;)

Re:wasd + mouse (2)

MichaelKristopeit350 (1968134) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528600)

USB or bluetooth keyboard and mouse???

you're an idiot.

Re:wasd + mouse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528606)

You can argue that it's the best way, but to exaggerate like that is just stupid.

Did the market really shift? (5, Insightful)

Georules (655379) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528292)

I doubt that those who purchased parts from newegg.com in the past are going to completely shift to ultrathin laptops and tablets. Developers, gamers, hackers who bought parts from newegg in the past are still going to want to make custom systems in the future.

Kids are still interested in this as well. I taught middle schoolers how to build a PC from scratch, and wanted nothing more than to work on their custom machines.

Re:Did the market really shift? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528356)

This is exactly what I was thinking of. From what I see online in forums devoted to building PCs, their numbers are healthy, and the people willing to spend > $1000 for PC parts when you can build a respectable gaming PC for $500, are not the same market that's going to be drawn to tablets and laptops.

Re:Did the market really shift? (5, Interesting)

ShavedOrangutan (1930630) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528418)

I built my custom PC with parts from Newegg - years ago. It still works perfectly and does everything I need.

There's no reason to upgrade every year or two like there used to be. That's got to hurt their business even more than tablets and netbooks.

Re:Did the market really shift? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528472)

There's no reason to upgrade every year or two like there used to be. That's got to hurt their business even more than tablets and netbooks.

I've built three home PCs in the last three years; two are servers and one's an Xbmc frontend. The low cost of PC components these days means there's no need to have just one.

Re:Did the market really shift? (2)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528658)

Blame the consoles. Since everything nowadays is a port, the consoles have been holding the minimum specs waay down for quite a while. The next generation if and when it arrives should be interesting for the PC world too.

there's always a motherboard (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528508)

unless they plan on getting rid of a motherboard there will always be serviceable components. Even a SOC setup still needs a motherboard for other interfaces.
Maybe this article will apply 50 years from now, but certainly not today nor in the near future, nor even with ARM taken into consideration. ARM SOC with the power of a top of the line graphics card? Next year a better version is released? People will buy and drop in the new version.

You can either fight modding, accept modding, or embrace it. Only apple tries to refuse it.

Re:Did the market really shift? (2)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528554)

I used to buy a new computer every 2-3 years from NewEgg. I would buy and build a dozen systems, in components, for small offices that needed them.

Now, I still do that, to some degree. I'll by the odd component (RAM, video card) - that market isn't going to disappear outright, overnight. I'll also buy set-top boxes through them.

However, I also buy a great deal of server hardware from them, now (Supermicro). The profit margin on that stuff is a lot higher, and I'm buying thousands of dollars more of it than I bought other things. And they're starting to sell a lot more than just computer parts.

I'm not the exception. They're not going away anytime soon.

Re:Did the market really shift? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528656)

Lets add to this that an iPad (for example) WILL NOT WORK WITHOUT A PC TO HOOK IT UP TO.

You must have a computer running Windows or MacOS to use an iPad. Without iTunes they are bricks. Expensive, shiny, bricks.

Re:Did the market really shift? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528718)

Not for long!

Re:Did the market really shift? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528668)

I doubt that those who purchased parts from newegg.com in the past are going to completely shift to ultrathin laptops and tablets. Developers, gamers, hackers who bought parts from newegg in the past are still going to want to make custom systems in the future.

  Kids are still interested in this as well. I taught middle schoolers how to build a PC from scratch, and wanted nothing more than to work on their custom machines.

I'm a part-time PC Builder for myself and friends. I've spec'd some new systems for Video editing and Newegg will likely get the business of parts supplier as they've been absolute rock solid in the past. You can't do this stuff on a tablet or smart phone and 16GB of system memory with a quad core processor is the minimum for this sort of work, with a look toward future expansion to 64GB system memory as memory technology advances (thank you Mr. Moore) and prices drop for the higher capacity sticks. There's also the matter of building multi-terabyte RAID storage, as nobody wants to lose their hard work. There's still a life for component sellers.

Re:Did the market really shift? (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528704)

I'm pretty much with you on this point of view. In fact, there might be a SLIGHT drop in volume, but by my guess-timation, NewEgg's future demographic is pretty much the same people who have been with NewEgg all along. Is that "survival"? In my mind it is. But there are still a million MBAs out there who believe that if you're not growing, you're dying. It doesn't make sense to me, but plenty to those who believe growth means everything.

Still plenty of PCs for many years (2)

Kakao (1626933) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528294)

Just because the number of mobiles is rising it does not mean the number o PCs is falling.

Re:Still plenty of PCs for many years (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528542)

You're right. It's the number of PCs falling that means the number of PCs are falling.

Once "Please connect to iTunes" disappears (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528616)

Just because the number of mobiles is rising it does not mean the number o PCs is falling.

If by mobiles you include laptop PCs: Not all PCs have user-serviceable parts. Laptop PCs, for instance, are far less user-serviceable than desktop PCs; apart from hard drives and sometimes RAM, laptops from well-known brands really aren't built for internal upgrades.

If by mobiles you exclude laptop PCs: It might come iOS 5, when iPhone and iPad no longer rely exclusively on a Mac or Windows PC to load firmware for the first time.

Re:Still plenty of PCs for many years (2)

optimism (2183618) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528692)

Right. Only the sales are falling, which is what naturally happens when a market is saturated with "good enough" product. This is despite Microsoft's herculean efforts to obsolete otherwise very capable hardware with new bloats of Windows. :p

Know your market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528302)

I would think that the people who are replacing their desktops with tablets/tiny laptops aren't the ones who were buying parts from Newegg in the first place.

Re:Know your market (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528396)

Newegg will cheerfully sell those, too.

I send many customers to the Egg. I've spend thousands of dollars there and will spend thousands more. Their service, which I've only needed twice for RMA, has been faultless.

Huh? (5, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528306)

Post-PC? "World with user-serviceable components"? I don't know what world jfruhlinger lives on, but it ain't the same as mine. Desktop PC's will be around for a very long time. It's pretty hard to do any kind of actual work on an i*.

Re:Huh? (1)

Truekaiser (724672) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528392)

The same that Microsoft lives in with it's idea of secure boot?
if that takes off and they pressure oems to turn it on then no one with a oem computer can buy parts from new egg and have them work. in fact many laptops 'now' have white lists in their bios's that prevent you from say dropping any old ddr2/ddr3 ram modules or mini-pice cards in and have them work because the vendor string on the device does not have the name of your laptop's manufacture in it. this forces you to only be able to buy parts from your laptop's manufacture at 50% to over 100% mark-up from what you would pay by buying it from new egg.

Re:Huh? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528456)

You must have missed the followup [slashdot.org] .

Re:Huh? (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528532)

The only place I've seen the device ID database is with WiFi cards and that is due to the way the FCC certifies a solution. You must verify that the solution meets emission standards, and has no user replaceable parts that may alter compliance. Obviously if you have an antennae array in the laptop and the user can hook up an arbitrary card you can't certify that to be compliant and so they lock the WiFi cards that will work to a known set of tested cards. It's the same reason mini reverse TNC cables were used for external antennas, prior to WiFi those connectors were not used in any widely available consumer product and so they met the FCC's compliance requirement.

Re:Huh? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528686)

Although I agree with you, there is a point I'd like to nitpick. 'Work' doesn't necessarily represent the majority of the market. Also, we're already seeing a decline in the amount of work that a notebook couldn't do. There is a fair chance that one day in the not-too-distant-future we'll see something like 10% of the number of ppl today using upgradable towers. NewEgg's catalog would be something completely different then.

Author doesn't understand Newegg's customer base (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528308)

Newegg has a high concentration of people who value the PC as a way for owning their data and owning their experience, instead of being a locked down consumer playing in someone else's walled garden.

If post-PC becomes the world norm Newegg's sales will surge catering to all the people who reject the idea of the cloud or the need to jailbreak their own equipment.

Re:Author doesn't understand Newegg's customer bas (1)

willie3204 (444890) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528452)

This is true and is the trend that PC users have followed since the PC's inception. No one who once had the freedom to control their environemnt will want to run head first into a walled garden without a very good reason (no other options, killer app only available there, etc)

Not post PC for businesses yet (5, Informative)

sandytaru (1158959) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528316)

I still manage about 500 desktops, and we're constantly ordering parts from NewEgg. While the consumer PC era is being described as ending (not true in my experience), the business workstation is going to be around for a long, long time.

Re:Not post PC for businesses yet (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528438)

I still manage about 500 desktops, and we're constantly ordering parts from NewEgg. While the consumer PC era is being described as ending (not true in my experience), the business workstation is going to be around for a long, long time.

You should really look into thin clients. Same desktop experience but less hardware maintenance. In fact there are some aspects of thin clients that make invaluable these days. You can dynamically spin up linked-clones from a VM template. You can troubleshoot without leaving your office and push upgrades and rebuild systems the same way.

Really. (1)

Bobb Sledd (307434) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528320)

Really, I think it's hype. I cannot ever see a time in the future I would buy a system that I cannot configure and upgrade. As long as there are high-performance games, there will always be a need for new graphics cards. As long as there is a need for speed increases, there will always be some new bus technology. I really am not worried for Newegg.

Re:Really. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528648)

Hey Ive built my share of PC's over the years. Bought pre-configed ones. Built my share of stable and unstable bleeding edge boxes. etc etc etc...

But as stuff moves more to SoC and the price drops further and further there is little point in upgrading. There just isnt much too upgrade. For awhile there you upgraded your CPU you were switching out 80% of the system anyway as most of the time you needed new everything...

Oh there will be a niche market eventually for this sort of thing. But 99.9% of the people out there buy their computer and ride it into the ground.

But what about when you can get a 15 inch tablet (which is basically a mb and a screen) for say 50 bucks. Would you *bother* to upgrade it? Only if you are very frugal or just into that sort of thing and like playing with solder.

Moores law is quickly snapping up all the upgradable parts and dragging them into 1 big chip.

When they get to the .10-.15 feature size for chips they have an option put the memory on the die or more cpus. 400 less pins thank you... 80% less cost thank you... 32 core chips will not make much sense in consumer land. But 4-8 gig of memory will with a decent vid card will... All in one chip.

Soon it will be only the HD or cd drive you upgrade. As things get smaller and more integrated it becomes a huge hassle to upgrade vs buy.

Newegg doesnt have much to worry about *right now*. But lets just say their days are numbered (5-10 years on the inside).

ppl w/tablets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528324)

they think tablets are the end lol that's funny! hey - you guys are funny! they're funny!!!

Short answer: Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528326)

Long answer: Yes.

I dont know how true that is (2)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528332)

Students in my college were given Thnikpad L420 's.

The HDD,RAM can be upgraded w/o voiding the warranty

I have a R61, on which I have maxed out the RAM, probably will get a SSD when they are cheaper

At home, have a self assembled PC.
Now, as you may see from my UID, I'm not one of the people for whom, "Upgrading your desktop PC's video card was once a rite of passage for many Slashdot readers " is valid.

However, I have seen the older PC's insides, and can say that newer ones are MUCH easier to work with.

Re:I dont know how true that is (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528454)

"The HDD,RAM can be upgraded w/o voiding the warranty"

Indeed, and I get those from the Egg, as well as external accessories, media, mice, keyboards, monitors...all of which will still be required in the supposed "Post-PC World".

Re:I dont know how true that is (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528466)

I'm not really sure that "unplug card from socket" and "plug another card in same socket" is such a "rite of passage" anyways.

It's just another component that may or may not be attached to a modern bus that has auto-detection features built in.

Re:I dont know how true that is (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528516)

I meant, like PATA HDD's required you to be familiar with the jumper settings, ports had to be wired from the motherboard individuallt, BIOS had to manually configured, Windows install needed CLI experience,etc..

Re:I dont know how true that is (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528614)

The jumper settings were usually listed on the drives themselves.

Plugging things in can get a little hairy from a physical point of view but most of the mechanics of building a system have always been pretty trivial. What problems did arise primarily were due to the platform being backward (which I mentioned). However, that hasn't been a problem for a rather long time now. The PC industry started moving away from that sort of nonsense before Slashdot existed.

It's simply not that impressive. It's "elitism" to try and claim otherwise.

The single biggest difficulty you will have is getting over your own fear and 30 years of anti-consumer FUD.

Re:I dont know how true that is (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528536)

However, I have seen the older PC's insides, and can say that newer ones are MUCH easier to work with.

Back in my day we had IO cards and math co-processors. IDE, serial, etc weren't built onto the motherboard and you actually had a separate card.

Now EVERYTHING is built on to the motherboard: IO, Sound, Video. About the only thing you have to troubleshoot is memory, CPU and HDD. I wouldn't call installing a video card a right of passage... hell the IRQ is automatically negotiated for you!

Now get off my lawn!

Re:I dont know how true that is (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528568)

I got a Thinkpad T61 through my college about 5 years ago. Swapped in a 320GB 7200RPM HDD and upped it to 2.5GB RAM and it run beautifully with Windows 7. Without the ability to upgrade, I would have had to junk it by the second year of college because I would not have had enough memory for virtual machines, etc - nevermind Windows 7 and Office 2010.

False Premise (5, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528344)

Hello, I'd like to introduce you to the False Premise [wikipedia.org] .

Besides, people who are replacing their real computer with whatever the current "hot seller" is are not the primary customer of computer component retailers.

Assuming they don't do anything stupid to themselves, NewEgg is going to be just fine.

Re:False Premise (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528492)

[OT]

"What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib

I despise stupid and banal aphorisms.
[/OT]

Why not try to reverse the bias for fun ... (1)

Zen-Mind (699854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528494)

Can Dell/Apple survive in a mostly user-serviceable components future? They would probably do much worst that NewEgg in a (very doubtful) post-PC era.

Still many accessories in a "post PC" world (1, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528348)

There are still a lot of possible accessories to be sold for those going wholly with tablets - keyboards, stands, other accessory items.

And of course the term "post PC" does not mean the PC is going away, just that it may not be the primary device for everyone with a computer as it has been.

And even with ultra-thin laptops, you have a ton of stuff they can sell - a company right now is working on an external Thunderbolt case for the Macbook Pro line that lets you add new video cards, and of course there's always external storage needed for anything...

I think Newegg will be just fine.

Re:Still many accessories in a "post PC" world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528406)

a company right now is working on an external Thunderbolt case for the Macbook Pro line that lets you add new video cards

Citation?

Re:Still many accessories in a "post PC" world (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528498)

If you aren't going to bother to keep up with this stuff, don't come into an argument like some sort of johnny-come-lately that has obviously not read up on this subject in the least little bit.

"external drive cage" is one of the main advertised use cases for thunderbolt.

Re:Still many accessories in a "post PC" world (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528544)

Magma is the company: http://magma.com/thunderbolt.asp [magma.com]

It doesn't however state anything about video cards, but everyone (including God himself) hopes and wishes that it will be possible

Re:Still many accessories in a "post PC" world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528636)

www.google.com

HTH.

Post PC? Nah (1)

ElmoGonzo (627753) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528354)

Someone will need to create the apps dontcha know? Or will the next generation of tablets come with code generators?

Once You Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528360)

... You Amazon.com.

I can not count how many times products are cheaper and have free shipping from Amazon as compared to Newegg.

Re:Once You Know... (2)

Nephilium (684559) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528558)

The big difference for me is in turnaround time. If I place an order with Newegg, it's generally shipped the same business day... ordering from Amazon usually has a week turnaround for the free (non-Prime) shipping. Adding to that, a lot of the items on Newegg have free shipping as well, not free shipping on orders over $25, just plain old free shipping.

newegg should be ok (2)

atarione (601740) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528370)

tablets can not fully replace the PC

cause some of us have to create stuff not just watch adorable videos of cats on youtube..... although adorable videos of cats are quite nice indeed.

tables suck ass for content creation

Re:newegg should be ok (5, Funny)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528620)

tables suck ass for content creation

Are you kidding? Tables have been used for hundreds, if not thousands of years for content creation, and even ultrathin tablets won't replace them

http://stores.paulsplaceonline.com/Detail.bok?no=389 [paulsplaceonline.com]
http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/books_writing_such/the_codex_climaci_rescriptus/ [snarkmarket.com]

If anything, a table makes a tablet more useful:

http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/laptops/2001tablets1.jpg [cnet.co.uk]

Furthermore, tablets have been around for thousands of years, and they still haven't replaced tables:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhmim_wooden_tablets [wikipedia.org]

Gee, I dunno, this one's kinda hard. (1)

JRowe47 (2459214) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528382)

What's a component retailer to do in world without user-serviceable components?

Hmm, probably sell components for desktops.

Read this before (2)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528388)

Yeah, just like the suppliers of after-market vehicle parts all went out of business when manufacturers started computerizing cars.

See: Commodore's alleged success (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528394)

^^^^^


Ok ok so there was those expansions for the AMIGA, but you have to admit the AMIGA's data buses for everything just sucked.

Online gamers (1)

Bardwick (696376) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528400)

Get WOW, Everquest, Star Wars (Knights), all those folks ported over to IPads, then maybe (Tens of millions of folks)... Then get those to work well on wireless with less than 2g's of video memory...... MMO's will keep the PC world alive for at least another 3-5 years.

Tower PC is here to stay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528402)

There will always be the traditional tower PC. I for one work from home, and I absolutely despise it when I have to use my laptop or netbook.

My tower is setup for my work, my way. It has a REAL keyboard, and a REAL mouse. As far as I am concerned laptops are for people who just want to use the internet when they are on the go.

More Post-PC nonsense... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528404)

No. Newegg doesn't have anything to fear from this Post-PC hype.

The real threat to them are competitors like Amazon that sell the same thing for less, offer free shipping, and have better search features.

Newegg FTW (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528410)

Newegg competes with tiger direct and buy.com, not tablets and ultra thin laptops. Newegg SELLSSSSS tablets and ultra thin laptops. Dumb #### . Last I checked they were VERY competitive on their prices in those categories along with everything else. Their business model ties very close to their shipping model, I've been with them since almost the start.

They've been trying to branch out as a pass through seller amazon style into stuff like rice cookers and HD Tvs. No idea how that's been going for them except they can't post a loss on it as they are not selling it under ordinary circumstances. I've bought some of this stuff esp on shell shocker, and though the shipping is a little disappointing, they can't seem to coordinate too well most of the time, it's always been a good deal, something I can't find in stores without a special trip, and good quality.

Also, if you want to build a computer, where else do you go? Micro center prices are complete BS, Wal-Mart? They still think the 9500gt is top of the line. The manufacturer? Somehow newegg beats their prices 99% of the time.

Question the survival of a cornerstone of the internet PC market is just plain out overzealous.

Ex. they survived the palm pad wars just fine and I don't remember those being too customizable, how about apple? not much you can do there without serious hardware knowledge. I think they'll be just fine.

Re:Newegg FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528586)

I have found Microcenter to be quite competitively lately with Newegg. I think you confused Microcenter with Best Buy...

First: Define Post PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528426)

If by Post-PC you mean a scenario where users are no longer constrained to PCs, and can do a lot of their computing tasks on consoles/phones/tablets/laptops... Well, we are there now. But there is still a HUGE market for PCs.

If by Post-PC you mean a scenario where 95+% of PCs have been replaced by such devices? That's not coming any time soon. I think newegg has a long time to go, and a very gradual transition before that occurs.

The PC is at least a decade from dead (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528434)

While smartphones tablets etc... are poking at the PC, it ain't going anywhere for a long time. Want a high end gaming machine, prepare to spend double the money if you want it as a laptop, and then in a year, if you still want it to be high end, you can buy another laptop rather then upgrade the video card. Secondly with windows 8 and OEMs posing the potential of locked bootloaders that prevent other OS's etc... the homebrew desktops demand may rise higher then ever, for anyone who even wants to think about dabbling with macos/linux. Newegg never was targetted at your average computer illiterate person who has no intention to dabble outside of simple things (those people went to best buy). Hardcore gamers, tweakers/hobbiests etc... will make you rip their PCs out of their cold dead hands.

With the kind of tools they have (1)

ZeroSerenity (923363) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528440)

I would say yes. Other gear companies of similar size lack the kind of search options and prices. If pre-builds are the way of the future, you'll still likely need replacement parts if you're a repair shop. Even so, Newegg sells said gear too with lots of search options to get excactly what you want.

Tablets are cool toys but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528450)

I do not own a tablet or even a laptop but have had my hands on a few. I think they are cool toys and convenient for a lot of things but I refuse to have one as my main computer. I could not write web pages, work in Photoshop or create 3D video. This is my bread and butter and as long as Newegg is selling components, I will be building my computers. Long live Newegg!!!

Hello... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528462)

Let me introduce myself. I'm a server. I require commodity component parts which many buy from the likes of Newegg. You're an idiot.

newegg already lost this customer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528476)

Between their "Verified by VISA" and "minimum $60 shipping to HI" policies, I stopped using newegg years ago; it's too bad, as they do have a nice selection...

clients (1)

rish87 (2460742) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528478)

Most of the people who are only using tablets and ultra-thins are likely not the people who were buying parts from newegg to begin with. The demographic newegg caters to is not going anywhere. If anyone should be scared in this 'post-pc world" (god I hate that buzz-phrase) it is commodity system sellers like Dell.

Newegg isn't going anywhere (1)

linuxguy (98493) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528480)

Can you imagine all business users switching to tablets? Or enthusiasts completely ditching their powerful and configurable systems for tablets? I don't think that is happening. Market for PCs and computer parts of all kinds will be around for a long time. It may shrink some. And it probably will kill smaller component retailers. But the bigger ones like Newegg will get more entrenched.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528486)

It seems to me that the only people who think we're anywhere close to a post-PC era is the media. Until tablets and ultrathin laptops are cheaper AND more powerful than desktop components (in other words, never), the PC will NEVER die.

What the Post-PC-era people fail to realize is that the other 99% of the population can't afford to spend $600 on an iPod with an oversized screen, and would rather spend that money on a PC that actually has power.

I'm a PC. I upgrade about 2 parts per year at most. It's dirt cheap. It's more powerful than the brand-new computers you see on a day-to-day basis (at least where it counts, which for me is gaming). I also have a laptop, but that costs so much that it gets replaced on about a 5-year cycle, and it only gets used when I can't access my PC.

OTS commodity != custom built componentized build (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528504)

Off the shelf consumer electronics with weak memory & storage offerings and outrageous mark ups to bring it up to useability will never compete with creating your own 16G 12TB 8 core server with a BD burner and 4 screen video wall for 50% (or more) less than retail.

The same thing we do every night, Pinky. (2, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528528)

But the tablets and ultrathin laptops that are today's hot sellers don't let you so much as swap in more RAM. What's a component retailer to do in world without user-serviceable components?

Um, pre-built computers from Packard Bell, IBM, Compaq, Gateway, HP, Dell, were the hot sellers prior to and during Newegg's rise. I have a feeling a change in "hot seller" won't change the custom built market one whit.

Can itworld.com survive? (5, Insightful)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528546)

Can itworld.com survive an obvious lack of valid topics to talk about?

Modular, or bust.... (1)

thegreatbob (693104) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528560)

Until computers can do EVERYTHING, there will always be the need for modular construction...

Yay for the desktop (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528578)

If mobile screen tech was better sooner, and batteries had more juice in them 10 years ago, we may never have seen such amazing advances in big desktop computers. Portability is great, but it's nice to see how much power they can pack into a bigger area.

pc death (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528584)

Until tablets have 24 inch or larger screens, 5.1 dolby, and support for my older games i'll be purchasing pc's i can build.

PCs needed (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528596)

I thought iPads still required PCs to activate.

When my iPad can... (1)

optimism (2183618) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528610)

When my iPad can drive at least three UXGA displays, work with all of my peripherals (mice, 3D mice, keyboards, hard drives, cd/dvd drives, printers, scanners, etc), provide flexible ports for eg DMX lighting control or RS232 projector control or Arduino programming or GPS logging, and transcode h264 video in real time...THEN I might be in the post-PC era.

Until then, I have plenty of uses for a PC. And newegg has a huge market for upgrades and peripherals. And in my experience they are one of the few vendors whose specialization makes them better than Amazon.

Re:When my iPad can... (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528698)

The "post-PC era" does not mean an era without PCs.

Post-PC is like Post-Modern (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528622)

Some really loud people proclaim a new reality, and for a brief period of time people think a massive shift is happening. Then everybody discovers it's just a handful of people with more ego than brains and they go back to the way things were.

Post-PC nonsense (2)

emorphien (770500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528626)

As best as I can tell, this whole post-PC era we're supposedly in is nonsense. Tablets, phones and other cute consumption devices are neat, and I wouldn't mind a tablet myself when they eventually mature, but there's no replacement for my home workstation. I've built my last few desktops myself and my current desktop is hitting around the 3 year mark and I'm starting to look at my upgrade path. I just got a new GPU, the CPU, RAM, mobo and PSU are my next upgrades and will likely occur as one single big hardware swap. An SSD would be nice too!

Back to the topic at hand: I don't see many people I know using their tablets to completely replace their 'real' computers. For some people laptops have started to replace desktops because they have lower demands and realistically laptop hardware seems to be much more on par than it was five years ago. As that continues to improve more people will probably ditch the desktop for a laptop, but that's still a 'PC' and there are still upgrade options like RAM and drives. I still wouldn't ditch a desktop for a laptop but in either scenario Newegg can continue to be successful. They sell laptops, they sell replacement parts.

Even if the Post-PC era weren't just marketing hype and news headline making nonsense, they still have plenty they can offer. NewEgg sells tablets too, they also sell software, home entertainment gear (I just got a new receiver from them) and all sorts of other things. I believe they have the ability to adjust themselves to changes in demand as needed, but I don't really think the PC business is in any danger of crumbling beneath them any time soon. New uses will emerge for computers, new games will come out demanding the latest technology and the best price/performance and the best choice for expansion continues to be the "desktop."

Toner (1)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528642)

How did NewEgg make out with regards to selling toner and ink now that we are in a paperless society?

BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528652)

This is why I mostly left the geekverse. Rite of passage? Are you fucking kidding me? Did you cosplay as a Star Wars character while changing the card? What a sea of shit.

Tablets complement not replace - one day converge (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528680)

Tablets largely complement the traditional PC and laptop. Perhaps they compete against netbooks.

Personally I think the future will more likely offer some sort of convergence between computer and tablet. When on the go and traveling light take the tablet and use it as a touch device. When at the desktop or on the road carrying a full load the tablet is accompanied with a wireless keyboard and mouse and functions more like the CPU and display of a traditional laptop, not a touch device. Alternatively the tablet can be plugged into (wireless ?) an external display and function more like the CPU in a traditional PC setup, again not as a touch device.

Ask a stupid question... (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528702)

Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer:

Will Toyota survive in a post-car world? It seems obvious to me that scooters are going to replace cars. Scooter sales are up over the last 5 years and car sales are down. Therefore no more cars in a few years. How will mechanics survive?

OK- I'll give a slightly less stupid answer too:
Newegg will do just fine- we are a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG way from being free of the desktop. Most people have a desktop computer at work (and home).
Most people do NOT have a tablet at work (or at home).

Sure the number of tablets are growing- and I'm sure the tablet will, in some homes replace the desktop in the way the cell phone replaced the home phone in some households. Most households still have a home phone- and it will be decades before the desktop is gone (at least)- plenty of time for new-egg to transition.

I have an old PC and no tablet. My next purchase won't be a new tablet- it will be a new PC. My next purchase after that... perhaps a laptop. I'd LOOOOOOVE to have a tablet- but at this point my priority is getting something I actually need instead of a cool toy. I can get by without a tablet (as can everyone)- taking away my PC would alter my life-quality.

Same worry, different day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37528706)

Maybe one day I'll be quoted as being insane but I honestly don't see the world going to exclusively tablets and notebooks. Don't get me wrong, I use my smartphone religiously and bring my laptop with me most everywhere. But if I can view/enjoy/work-on anything with a larger screen and more keyboard space, then I'll do it. If my desktop is available, the mobile stuff falls to the wayside.

Cables (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37528714)

What's a component retailer to do

Sell cables and chargers and adapters and "docks" and bluetooth-everything

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