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Mozilla Foundation Releases Firefox 7

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the hep-cats-already-have-firefox-57 dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released Firefox 7.0. It hasn't actually reduced my memory footprint at first glance, but let's hope that the memory usage doesn't keep growing like it used to. We'll also see if it crashes less often than once every three days or so." The initial memory use of Firefox should remain similar to previous releases, but at least the heap shouldn't grow infinitely as it does in previous releases.

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Wait! (3, Insightful)

TokoYami200 (1520755) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531868)

When did I miss Firefox 6?

Great... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532266)

More addon breakage...

Re:Wait! (4, Informative)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532378)

When did I miss Firefox 6?

Interestingly, I just set up an Ubuntu 11.04 (previously 10.04) with FF 6.02. With the same addons as I had in FF 4, it's WAY faster and uses close to a third less memory than FF4. If they're claiming that FF7 will reduce memory even more, I'm definitely going to check it out.

Re:Wait! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532472)

life hacker confirms this, they really have been cutting the bloat lately

REALLY, Slashdot!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37531896)

Have you ever ONCE considered that it might not be stargazer? Have you even CONSIDERED that it might be pew pew along the lines of magazine?

Sorry I came to the garbage of this place and realized it!

Licensing changes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37531902)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Fail (1)

thepainguy (1436453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531918)

Now I have a "New Tab" tab that I can't get rid of or change focus to. Does anyone test this stuff?

Re:Fail (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532066)

Now I have a "New Tab" tab that I can't get rid of or change focus to. Does anyone test this stuff?

Actually testing the code wouldn't be in line with Agile methodologies. If you don't like the code, you'll just have to live with it until the next patch.

Once upon a time, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and hired whole departments full of people to test and document a stable release of software before it went out the door; these expenses can be done away with by outsourcing QA to end users in the form of autogenerated coredumps, and the documentation to the end users by third parties hosting banner-ad-funded wikis and web fora. Sure, the product was more likely to actually work, but the unacceptable downside was that under waterfall, users had months between patches, and were consequently several weeks behind the hottest trends in masturbatory UX fashion design.

Agile's so much better than that stodgy old waterfall methodology, because with Agile, you're always on the upgrade treadmill, and only have to wait a few days for the next patch full of bugs comes down the pipe. You may not know what version of the software you're running, but at least you're always up to date!

Re:Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532356)

I'm pretty sure you didn't understand the PROPER implementation of Agile. You can write shitty code with any methodology.

Re:Fail (0)

Kittenman (971447) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532634)

Once upon a time, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and hired whole departments full of people to test and document a stable release of software before it went out the door; these expenses can be done away with by outsourcing QA to end users in the form of autogenerated coredumps, and the documentation to the end users by third parties hosting banner-ad-funded wikis and web fora. Sure, the product was more likely to actually work, but the unacceptable downside was that under waterfall, users had months between patches, and were consequently several weeks behind the hottest trends in masturbatory UX fashion design.

Agile's so much better than that stodgy old waterfall methodology, because with Agile, you're always on the upgrade treadmill, and only have to wait a few days for the next patch full of bugs comes down the pipe. You may not know what version of the software you're running, but at least you're always up to date!

Brilliant analysis. I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Fail (1)

Imagix (695350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532722)

Uh, testing the code is _very_ much in line with Agile methodologies. Most of the Agile methodologies endorse test-driven development.

Re:Fail (5, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532116)

It's not that it's not tested. It's just that what the Firefox designers want is now completely divorced from what the users want. This has been clear for me since the 'awesomebar'*.

I'm trying out Opera. I used to be a Firefox promoter, moving people off IE6 and onto FF every chance I got; but now... all the browsers seem like necessary evils.

*Not that adding the awesomebar was bad... but forcing the awesomebar, and eliminating the option to turn it off, was. That's the behavior that indicates a company is putting marketing ahead of engineering.

Re:Fail (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532480)

*Not that adding the awesomebar was bad... but forcing the awesomebar, and eliminating the option to turn it off, was. That's the behavior that indicates a company is putting marketing ahead of engineering.

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microsoft had it right (2)

joss (1346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531920)

Since people compare software by version number, one is at a competitive disadvantage in number software sensibly. FF7 would be FF4.3 were it not for chrome, why not call it ff 2011.3 and be done with it.

Re:microsoft had it right (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532138)

While it used to be true that people compared software by version number, and it certainly is for products that are still in the v1.0 (or maybe 2.0 even), how many people today really compare software by version number any more? Or even know what version they are using (especially of Chrome, which doesn't even advertise it unless you look closely), unless they are fairly nerdy? More relevantly, is there seriously a large group of people (I realize there is at least one person) who didn't use Firefox because it was "only" version 3? And more importantly, was it worth pissing of the very group of people who made your product popular in the first place (i.e. the techies)?

Software versions are supposed to have meaning. Major numbers are for important new features and UI overhauls, minor numbers are for minor features (or large technical fixes) and other small changes, and final digits are for bugfixes. I should be able to look at a version number and be able to estimate how much the software changed since another version. That has been the standard for years, and there is absolutely no reason to change it. Firefox has completely destroyed that. They didn't start it, true, but they also shouldn't have given away to it.

For commercial software, obviously, using the year as a version number makes quite a lot of sense (besides even just selling new copies every year), or for a driver (like AMD does). But for a browser? What sense does that make? Why bother? Why not just do what has worked quite well for years and use a proper version system? That is why people are annoyed at Mozilla. Because the change makes no goddamned sense.

Re:microsoft had it right (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532242)

Because the change makes no goddamned sense.

It makes sense from a marketing perspective, obviously; and that makes the outrage even stronger. FF was a damn good browser; and it's painful to see it going in that direction. Most slashdot posters have experienced projects and products going astray when 'steering committees' start dictating design.

It's painful like seeing a great book being turned into a terrible film by focus-group driven studio executives.

Re:microsoft had it right (3, Interesting)

AikonMGB (1013995) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532630)

I am typically onboard with the software purists, but in this case I disagree -- I like the new numbering systems! Well, not exactly the number systems, but the development strategies they imply. For a piece of software that you write once and remains relatively stable, the major/minor/bugfix method is acceptable, because you very rarely do major design changes.

In something like Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird, and their ilk, the distinction of when exactly a major version number should be bumped becomes a little less clear -- one UI update is deemed slightly more important than another, and all of a sudden you have a major version jump instead of a minor one. With rapid release schedules, the idea is that the changes from one release to the next will /all/ be small, but after a while if you compare e.g. FF 3.18 vs 3.1, they will be nothing alike, so why should they share a common major version number?

Moving to a Year/Month (e.g. Thunderbird 11.09) system I think is overall much cleaner for software releasing on a rapid development cycle.

Aikon-

Re:microsoft had it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532194)

I'd so prefer it if versions were named after the years, and each release in the year being the 1st minor version component.
It would make much, much more sense this way. And it is easier to link up releases between packages, protocols, standards or whatever else.

Re:microsoft had it right (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532310)

It is good, though this also dosn't cover the idea of minor vs major changes or issues. If a version is released, has a huge critical security flaw in it that is patched the next day. Many people would look and say "oh it's been only a day, I am ok for a while"

Re:microsoft had it right (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532278)

Actually Microsoft is now doing the same release standards. ... except newer versions come out every year in March instead of every 3.5 to 5 years previously.

IE 10 is usable already and after more QA will be released in March. IE 11 will be out March of 2013 and IE 12 March 2014 and so on.

MS has the most sense here as HTML 5 we all want but securities issues and uh I do not know, not having 6k bugs is a big deal! I hated IE for years so it kills me to even type this. If IE sucks a lot less and follows standards where webmasters do not have to use different hacks for each version of IE then I am for it. IE 9 is a very much step in the right direction from what I am told.

Official extensions thread (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531922)

So far, Acrobat Create PDF 1.1 is incompatible.

Re:Official extensions thread (1)

C-Shalom (969608) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532716)

So far, Acrobat Create PDF 1.1 is incompatible.

Not again!
Adobe just released the update two weeks ago to fix the Create PDF plugin so it would work with FF6.
This is getting out of hand.

Silly (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531930)

This is silly. Too many big changes, too many versions. Add-ons break on a regular basis and corporate customers who had been warming to the idea of FF are heading back to Microsoft. Whoever thought up this idea deserves to be kicked off the Firefox project.

Re:Silly (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532160)

Even sillier is that they have shown that they don't want to listen to the users. I mean, how hard would it really be to include the old 3.6 interfaces in the latest version of Firefox? Sure, there are a bunch of workarounds to get similar user interfaces but nothing that reproduces the old interface exactly (because almost everything is thrown in the title bar with the transparency effect plus a fog around everything in there) OR there is something that people are completely unable to find. I guess that's the reason that 1/3-1/2 of Firefox users are using 3.6.* or earlier versions. I guess that by keeping the 3.6 version around they are providing people the options they want; but even that is kind of kludgey because not all addons are compatible that far back (and some are not compatible on the latest version either).

Re:Silly (1)

Krojack (575051) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532234)

Add-ons break on a regular basis

I've been using version 7 for some time now (in beta). It's not Mozilla's fault that add-on devs aren't updating their add-ons. I have never seen NoScript not work after a FF update because the dev keeps it updated and ready for the next release.

Re:Silly (4, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532370)

Actually I'm pretty sure it is Mozilla's fault. It's not the addon devs who decided to go to this ridiculous rapid release schedule.

Addon devs are volunteers. Expecting them to update stuff several times more often because some people in the ivory tower think that releasing every couple of weeks is a good idea doesn't mean you blame the addon devs. You blame the clowns who are screwing them over.

Re:Silly (2)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532406)

A software platform that changes and breaks compatability every few months is a ridiculous idea. I have programs that I haven't changed in 15 years that I still use. Google aren't updating Google Toolbar for newer versions of Firefox, and it's just stopped working for me with this release of Firefox. Google Toolbar (specifically, Google Bookmarks) is the only thing that's been keeping me in Firefox.

Is there a browser or extension (other than IE with Google Bookmarks) that lets me use Google Bookmarks as a menu like in Google Toolbar? I've tried Opera with a third party add on but that just makes random icons hover in stupid places that don't do anything.

Re:Silly (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532492)

Actually it ISN'T MOZILLA'S FAULT.

Especially since all add-ons on addons.mozilla.org get version bumped now since 6.0 as long as they pass the heuristic.

Re:Silly (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532360)

The CEO has no balls. That person you talk about is Asa Doltzer who actually things we can get 1 billion users by just having more html 5 support in the browser and this is why he thinks people have switched to Chrome.

Firefox has an enterprise working group, but the mouthpiece and project manager, Asa says he doesn't want to support enterprise users and that never was a goal and that they should use IE 8 instead. Gee, such great confidence in your product.

If the CEO of Mozilla had balls, I or 90% of us here on slashdot would fire anyone saying stuff like that immediately! In my opinion they are gone and wont touch this computer I am typing on again. What a shame. Firefox 7 is much faster and better but there are over 6,000 bugs in Firefox unaddressed. Its too unreliable and I find IE more stable, secure, and reliable.

In essence IE 9/Chrome is what firefox was, and current Firefox is what IE 7 was. Crappy, slow, and very buggy.

Memory? (2)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531948)

What's with all the bitching about memory use? I have been using Firefox since it was called Firebird and have never seen any really huge memory use. For example, right now Firefox is using 231 MB. Now, being an old fart from back in the dark ages, the idea that a web browser would be using hundreds of megabytes of RAM seems really absurd. But, considering that I have 8 GB in my computer, who gives a shit how much memory Firefox is using?

Re:Memory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532002)

Exactly! I "just" have 4GB, and they're never fully used, so 800MB in firefox isn't an issue for me (when I have more than 20 tabs, with flash, videos, etc.)

Re:Memory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532036)

Perhaps those who don't have the privilege of 8GB RAM? I work on machines with as little as 256MB daily. Trust me, it matters then.

Re:Memory? (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532336)

Where on earth do you work? Even when doing computer repair jobs for poor and elderly people I haven't run into a system below 512 ram in the last 5 years.

Re:Memory? (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532216)

I don't care when i'm at home either.
But at the moment i'm at school, working off a 512mb netbook.
Now I care.

Re:Memory? (3, Interesting)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532228)

Yesterday I started Firefox 6 and had it sitting just on the regular start page for a couple hours, with no other tabs open. Just sitting there, not doing a damn thing except showing the start page, it was using 50MB of RAM. Right now I have it open to a single tab and it's using 154MB of RAM and 226MB of virtual memory, so 380MB total. For 1 tab. I've seen earlier versions using well over 1GB of RAM at times, plus virtual memory. The memory usage seems to have slowed down the leaking and growing indefinitely large, but it still seems like a lot of memory.

But, considering that I have 8 GB in my computer, who gives a shit how much memory Firefox is using?

I'm going to go with "people who don't have 8GB of RAM". My gaming machine at home has 2, my work laptop has 1.

Re:Memory? (1)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532350)

I stopped using Firefox a few months ago because of increasing memory problems. I tried to keep my tabs reasonable, no more than 10 at a time, and it would make my machine thrash. Once I started having to kill the process daily I switched to Opera. I don't really like Opera, but it can run for weeks at a time without bringing my machine to its knees.

It doesn't make any sense that Firefox would need 700MB to have 7 tabs open. None of them were anything weird. My living room computer has 1GB, mostly used to browse and watch video. Opera works fine, and so does IE. I am happy to see a new version of FF, I will try it. I hope it works well, I like firefox best.

Re:Memory? (2)

t0y (700664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532372)

It's a real problem but it doesn't affect everyone the same way. Many of the issues are related to extensions holding on to references in long gone tabs and Firefox 7 is the first version that will see results from the MemShrink [mozilla.org] project (you can read about the details in the wiki).

I've had Firefox break the userspace memory barrier (3gb on windows x64) and becoming slow many times before, mostly because of Firebug.

Re:Memory? (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532410)

"I have 8 GB in my computer, who gives a shit how much memory Firefox is using?"

My PAE kernel has limited Firefox to 4GB max, leaving 4 for other processes.

Funny/sad, mostly sad.

Huh? I'm on Firefox v3.6.20 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37531960)

Wow, am I behind the times... I'm guessing my version is ANCIENT and probably a year-and-a-half old

Re:Huh? I'm on Firefox v3.6.20 (3, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532162)

At least banks will let you use their web site because 3.6.x is tested.

v4 to Infinity? not so much.

Re:Huh? I'm on Firefox v3.6.20 (1)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532302)

At least banks will let you use their web site because 3.6.x is tested.

v4 to Infinity? not so much.

No problem using HSBC's website, including viewing statements, making payments, etc. using Firefox 7. Are there really banks that block it?

Re:Huh? I'm on Firefox v3.6.20 (1)

LateArthurDent (1403947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532730)

At least banks will let you use their web site because 3.6.x is tested.

v4 to Infinity? not so much.

No problem using HSBC's website, including viewing statements, making payments, etc. using Firefox 7. Are there really banks that block it?

Intuit's turbotax website blocks it, when you try to view a past year's return, and presumably if you're trying to work on anything new.

To be fair, as much as I hate the fast release cycle that firefox now has, problems like these are the fault of web administrators. I don't want to go back to "best viewed with IE 4" days. They're free to look at the user agent to make any browser specific fixes if the want to, but if they don't recognize the string, they should just serve the damn standard-compliant html (and yes, I know I can change my user-agent string, and I do. But I shouldn't have to).

Rrecent Add-on Incompatibilities (2)

dmomo (256005) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531964)

Since the new "major version release" change, every time I've updated Firefox, I've had to fuss with incompatible plugins. I just upgraded to 7, and luckily, it didn't require yet another install of Firebug, though there were a few other incompatibilities. It's pretty much "add-on" roulette. Is this because of the new version system and version checking with plugins? Or just a coincidence. I can't imagine that so many things would be ACTUALLY made incompatible with each release. I can only suppose it's a flaw in the "checker".

Re:Rrecent Add-on Incompatibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532068)

They should hurry up and crowdsource the compatibility checking.

Who cares? (4, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 2 years ago | (#37531996)

Now that FF changes versions every time you blink and each one has at best minor changes, why even bother posting the new versions here? It's like posting that the sun came up in the East today.

Maybe a story about the acceleration in market share loss FF has suffered since this rapid release BS started would be more interesting.

Re:Who cares? (1)

Hotweed Music (2017854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532610)

Wow, way to blow things out of proportion. You're really that upset over version numbers? Talk about butthurt. I, for one, think FF7 has enough improvements (especially the major memory one, which has been a big complaining point for Firefox naysayers for so long) to deserve q new version number. but go ahead, nitpicking and hate an amazing product because of some personal vendetta.

Unknown Lamer Editor is Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532020)

The anonymous submitter and Unknown Lamer editor posted a lousy summary write-up. Let's hope they stop killing baby seals and molesting Joe Paterno this time around.

People about to moan about add-ons READ ME (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532026)

Click the link below:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/

(You can enable "incompatible" add-ons with it.)

Tada!

debian sid? prefer stable. (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532046)

Debian release cycle is two years, and I'm going to stick with that. Firefox team has gone nuts.

I have no time to update every-day. I have work to do, you know - my work is not developing firefox. So I prefer to sit on debian stable. In fact I wonder now, how is it possible that I have iceweasel 5.0 here, if on debian stable I see iceweasel 3.5. And 7.0 is in debian experimental.

Memory usage? Crashing? (4, Informative)

grommit (97148) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532062)

Are people still bitching about that? Since I'm usually putting my computers in sleep mode or connecting to VMs that are running 24/7 I am having Firefox running for over a month straight on a regular basis. Both on Windows and Linux. About the only time I have to restart Firefox is to apply a version update. I can't even remember the last time that I had it crash on me that wasn't the fault of something like Java or Flash. I would definitely catch all sorts of hell from my immediate family if Firefox was crashing often or causing slowdowns due to memory bloat and they don't even use NoScript. I'm not sure what people are doing to make Firefox bloat or crash but I'm willing to bet that the cause is add-ons and extensions that they've installed and not Firefox itself.

Re:Memory usage? Crashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532226)

I'm not sure what people are doing to make Firefox bloat or crash but I'm willing to bet that the cause is add-ons and extensions that they've installed and not Firefox itself.

FWIW, all I have to do is open Firefox with one tab opening about:blank and I can count on my machine pausing every 3 minutes for about 5 seconds at a time. This started in Firefox 5 for me. In trying to hammer down what was going on, I've disabled all add-ons and extensions and it still doing an impression of a DOS-era virus.

I'm just one guy and this is just one anecdotal story, but I was pretty happy with Firefox until a few months ago. I've moved on to Chrome where at least it works. I guess the Firefox team wants to make sure that 100% of their users are so ridiculously in love with them that they don't even have eyes for alternative browsers.

Re:Memory usage? Crashing? (2)

jbssm (961115) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532560)

I'm not sure what people are doing to make Firefox bloat or crash but I'm willing to bet that the cause is add-ons and extensions that they've installed and not Firefox itself.

Well, now-a-days, extensions are a standard in every browser worth of that name. Different people have diferente needs and preferences, and that's why we want/need extensions in our daily workflow.

That being said, the fault rests on Firefox developers for not having adressed the problems that might be caused by the extensions. In fact, they didn't even adressed the extensions archaic system for years since people started complaining.

When was the last time you had to restart a mainstream browser to install/update an extension? Oh that's right, you didn't except if you use Firefox.
When was the last time your browser crashed on you because of a misbehaving extension? Who that's right, it didn't because Chrome and Safari (IE, anyone?) sandbox their individual pages, and if something crashes,then you just have to reload a page not restart the all brows...err Firefox.

Question - javascript (-1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532082)

Does Mozilla use the same crappy, security weak Microsoft Javascript interpreter, or is it possible to used Google's rewrite of the interpreter?

Re:Question - javascript (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532182)

Why the hell would Mozilla use Microsoft's Javascript interpreter? Are people just making shit up these days?

Re:Question - javascript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532210)

Does Mozilla use the same crappy, security weak Microsoft Javascript interpreter, or is it possible to used Google's rewrite of the interpreter?

Huh? No, they use their own. Where did you get the idea they use Microsoft's? I would think that trying to integrate Google's would take a bit of work but the source code is available for both so good luck with it.

Re:Question - javascript (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532248)

Mozilla has their own Javascript engine: SpiderMonkey. It also has a JIT compiler for javascript called TraceMonkey turned on by default since Firefox 3.5.

Re:Question - javascript (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532596)

Mozilla has their own Javascript engine: SpiderMonkey. It also has a JIT compiler for javascript called TraceMonkey turned on by default since Firefox 3.5.

Thanks. I knew once Mozilla used Microsoft's but didn't know when they switched to using their own.

Wait until 7PM for FF8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532090)

Changelog refers to additional increment of version number, no other changes

Yes, we get it (0)

webheaded (997188) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532098)

Every topic about Firefox...every single one...is FILLED with people whining about the versioning. We know. Everyone that has visited this website in the past 3-4 months knows. Shut up already. Can we talk about the actual version and changes instead of continually bitching about the same thing in the same way. Honestly, it hasn't even been enough time since the last release to go trotting out the same god damn arguments already. I feel like I literally read the entire thread 10 times already like last week because it's the same shit. Yes, it's annoying...but for fuck's sake, will you guys please talk about something else?

Has anyone had time to test those memory claims? I've been running 7 beta at work and it still seems to have slipped itself pretty high up there (running for a week about 330mb but that's with currently 9 tabs across 2 windows). I know I have extensions and stuff but yeah...anyone else?

Re:Yes, we get it (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532442)

The problem is that the new FF versioning is scaring any corp or user that want stability/predictability. The new FF look and feel experimental. See the market share trending down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usage_share_of_web_browsers_%28Source_StatCounter%29.svg)

We know that corps are not your target or concern but I as a user like to wait a few months when a new major version of ANYTHING comes out. The bugs are worked out by version x.01 and the plugins that don't use Add-on SDK (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/developers/docs/sdk/1.0/) that matter are fixed.

Many sites (e.g.: Banks) like to test browsers and block out known bad versions or unknown version. And this is when FF gets fsk'd.

At the rate FF is going, FF3.6.x will become the lowest common denominator. And that's were I am b/c I know it works.

Once the main addons start going away, I will follow the addons. Not FF.

Re:Yes, we get it (3, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532538)

It just pisses everyone off.

We hated IE having 90% marketshare and was seeing the internet die to an MS only platform was frieghtening and killed the spirit of having it there for everyone. Firefox was a savior and a great fast product when it was new.

Without Firefox we would not be able to browse the web on our phones or Ipad as sites would still to this day only work with IE 6 & 7. IE 8 would never come out, as MS admitted it was to play catchup.

If IE takes over again it would be a return to 2004, where those of us who ran Linux back then had to dual boot to Windows to fill out job apps and goverment paperwork on the so called "open" web and that was insane.

So Firefox does something so stupid and insande that it turns the tides backwards after so much work and then makes us look incompentent at work when we have just finally got Firefox in our corporate images of browsers is offensive.

I do not care anymore. I run IE again because it is the best browser again on Windows 7 if you have verison 9. I do not like to, but Chrome's UI is too minimal and lacks too many features for me. If Firefox fixes the bugs and slows releases again I would consider going back.

Quit crying about the RAM use... (0)

h2okies (1203490) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532100)

I for one WANT it to be used and enjoy the SPEED I gain from having all my pages cached in RAM where they appear instantly at the click of a button... Idle RAM is useless and boasting how your system has 16gigawatts of unused RAM just serves to show me how small your epenis really is...

Re:Quit crying about the RAM use... (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532254)

I for one WANT it to be used and enjoy the SPEED I gain from having all my pages cached in RAM where they appear instantly at the click of a button...

Idle RAM is useless and boasting how your system has 16gigawatts of unused RAM just serves to show me how small your epenis really is...

I put my swap file on a RAM drive. I'm the King of Cool. B)

Re:Quit crying about the RAM use... (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532306)

That's great, but that is not how it behaves. Since 6, FF has gone from using 1-2gb of RAM to 3,9gb of RAM on osx, for me. What I get isn't improved history/backtracking handling, but a browser that becomes slow and choppy and unusable until a restart. We're talking about this happening despite using fewer tabs than I was when FF used to use "only" 2gb.

Re:Quit crying about the RAM use... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532376)

I for one want to be able to use my computer for something besides web browsing.

Idle RAM is useless and boasting how your system has 16gigawatts of unused RAM just serves to show me how small your epenis really is...

Who exactly are you referring to? A straw man, as far as I can tell.

And it's out in the mozillateam-stable repo! (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532126)

At least for Lucid so far.

Now the 12GB of RAM in my gaming PC is going to seem like a waste :-(

On the upside, the 4GB of RAM my laptop is stuck with unless I want to sacrifice dual-channel mode (thanks for building half the RAM into the mobo, geniuses!) will be useful for longer :-)

What happened? (2)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532142)

I checked the developer summary earlier today and this new version actually contains some useful features for a change!!!

Bloatware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532204)

If you're still using FF thinking that it's any better than IE you're just fooling yourself. It sucks an ass... a fat ass at that. Chrome is king.

It has gotten SLOW (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532250)

I remember Firefox being FAST like it was on FIRE!!

Now I click on the icon and wait a good minute or so for it to load.

If I accidentally close it and try to re-open it I get a message saying to wait for the program to completely close, which takes a good minute or so also.

Re:It has gotten SLOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532680)

It should start in less than 10s if you don't have a snail as a pc (mine is 4 years old and ff starts in way less than 10s). But closing takes some time thats true.

Re:It has gotten SLOW (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532746)

Running on my work computer. XP, 2.9ghz dual core, and 2 gigs of ram. It is slow, very very slow.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532256)

FF 9-27-2011 3:42pm released. It's much better than the previous release. Well, that is, until the next one comes out in T-minus 60 seconds.

Go team agile!

I hardly use firefox (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532338)

But I do use it occasionally for a particular plugin that downloads flash videos. Last time I ran firefox I made the mistake of upgrading and it broke that plugin. Turns out the same plugin works in IE, so instead of turning to FF, I'm now instead turning to IE. Thanks for nothing Mozilla!

Recetnly tried going back to Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532486)

I have been using Chrome for awhile now and decided that maybe I'd check out the advances Firefox had made in my absence... It felt like going from using Star Trek technology for awhile then being presented with a collection of twigs and branches. Honestly - FF has a lot of nice things about it, but it's just not the big deal it once was.

Nightly (1)

lofoforabr (751004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532550)

I am replying to this thread as someone who has beem using Chromium for the past several months, switching away from Firefox because of the huge memory footprint. I've seen it consume about 2GB of memory easily, and then it would become sluggish. Things would not respond fast, and it would hang for several seconds every 20 seconds or so. It had to be killed a few times per day.
Chromium is more resistant to that. Each tab opens a separate process, and manages its memory better. However, Chromium lacks excelent add-ons (from a webdev perspective). No decent Firebug (Firebug Lite isn't very good), and some other add-ons that are not as good as the Firefox counterpart.
Yesterday, I decided to have a try at the newest Firefox, and so far, I'm pretty much pleased by what I see. I got the Nightly, to stay at the bleeding edge. Browser is open since yesterday, and I haven't seen it consume over 500MB of memory, which is definitely some improvement. I don't think the JS engine or rendering is as fast or responsive as Chromium, but I can live with this.
I have used nightly builds from Firefox a long time ago, and although we know it can seriously break, I still haven't seen this happen (and I updated almost daily). I'm back to Firefox (err... Nightly is the codename now), and happy. If someone thinks memory management from this Firefox 7 isn't too good, give a try on Nightly, you might be as surprised as I was.

REALLY?!! I *just* was able to upgrade to FFx5! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37532554)

Seriously, plugins that I require to actually do my job kept me stuck with Firefox 3.6 up until recently. (Firefox 4 broke something to do with JavaScript.) That problem was finally resolved, but now we're stuck on Firefox 5 waiting for plugins to be updated to 6.0. (Yes, they broke something ELSE in that upgrade.)

And now Firefox 7 is out? Please tell me that they're at least offering security updates to 6 still!

Oh, wait, right, THAT'S why Firefox 5 is blocked at the firewall. Only reason we're allowed to use it at all is to support customers using it. I wonder how long until we give up on that?

(And, no, it's NOT our plugin breaking on FFx6, we just require it.)

When is the version for Win64 coming out? (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 2 years ago | (#37532588)

Are there seriously that many 32bit-isms in the code that they can't do a 64-bit release?

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