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ACTA To Be Signed This Weekend

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the yep-this-happened dept.

Censorship 277

We've been following the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement for over three years, from its secretive beginnings, to the controversy and debate that followed, and to the document it eventually evolved into. Now, Japan has announced that the agreement will finally be signed on Saturday during a ceremony that follows an anti-piracy symposium on Friday. "The negotiation has been carried out among Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, and the United States, and reached a general agreement at the negotiation meeting held in Japan in October 2010, followed by the completion of technical and translation work in April 2011. ... The signing ceremony will be attended by the representatives of all the participants in the ACTA negotiations, and those that have completed relevant domestic processes will sign the agreement. The agreement is open for signature until May 1, 2013."

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Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37535946)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Re:Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536110)

Driving compulsion morbid thoughts come to mind
Sexual release buried deep inside
Complete control of a prized possession
To touch and fondle with no objection
Lonely souls an emptiness fullfilled
Physical pleasure and addictive thrill
An object of perverted reality
An obsession beyond your wildest dreams

Death loves final embrace
Your cool tenderness
Memories keep love alive
Memories will never die

The excitement of dissection is sweet
My skin crawls with orgasmic speed
A lifeless object for my subjection
An obsession beyond your imagination
Primitive instinct a passion for flesh
Primal feeding on the multitudes of death
Sadistic acts a love so true
Absorbingly masticating a part of you

Death loves final embrace
Your cool tenderness
Memories keep love alive
Memories will never die

I need a freind
Please be my companion
I don't want to be
Left alone with my sanity

Erotic sensations tingle my spine
A dead body lying next to mine
Smooth blue black lips
I start salivating as we kiss
Mine forever this sweet death
I cannot forget your soft breaths
Panting excitedly with my hands around your neck

Shades are drawn
No one can see
What I've done
What's become of me
Here I stand
Above all that's been true
How I love
How I love to kill you

Obama 2012! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37535960)

Hope! Change!

Clearly you folks made the right choice! To the gullags with all of you! :D

Re:Obama 2012! (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37535978)

and the republican candidates would've been better? president is a figurehead, don't' be a fool and think he's anything else.

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536020)

Historically the Democrats have been more in bed with the entertainment industry. Obama has hired a good number of former RIAA officials/lawyers to work in his administration. It's pretty depressing, actually.

Re:Obama 2012! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536036)

Obviously. That's why you don't vote for the guy who can only give canned answers and fancy speeches.

The Republicans are bad, but they can't get away with as much. If Bush or another Republican was pulling this BS the major media would be crucifying them. That's pretty much the only difference between parties. If it's a Democrat, the media ignores as much as they can, and tries to spin everything to be positive. . .if it's a Republican, it's the only time the media does it's job, making sure that every action is brought to public light.

My criticism isn't as much that I think Democrats are worse, they just get away with a lot more. If you hate wars, corporate welfare and a police state under a Republican administration, you are a good American freedom lover who stands up for civil rights. If you hate wars, corporate welfare and a police state under a Democratic administration, you are a racist, extremist, and a danger to democracy.

As bad as Republicans are, it's downright dishonest the double standard that the media in this country has. . . If Bush had run as a Democrat, he would have likely been hailed by the media as the best president ever in American history. I bet you.

Re:Obama 2012! (0, Troll)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37536144)

President Bush got nearly 6 years of eyes turned away for him to engage in crimes against humanity. I find it really hard to believe that the press would have granted a Democratic President that much leeway to commit such crimes.

And you're right it is downright dishonest the double standard the media in this country has. They definitely prefer GOP candidates and the reporting shows.

Re:Obama 2012! (4, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | about 3 years ago | (#37536212)

Are you serious??

Obama has been bombing Libya for months now without invoking the war powers act.

If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting.

Those millions just sit at home because it's "their guy" that is doing it this time.

By the same token many of the Republicans that supported Bush's actions with respect to Iraq are now pissed off at Obama. Sure he's violating the war powers act and they can catch him on a technicality, but you sure as hell know they'd have been fine with Bush if he had violated it.

Its all about "my team" vs. "your team" anymore. Americans don't stand on principle, they just proudly wear the label for their side that they belong to. And they belong to that side because they've always belonged to it.

Its sickening.

And of course both of our political sides happily sell us out to the Movie and Music industry, even though they're small potatoes compared to industries that'll be harmed by these brain dead laws and treaties.

Re:Obama 2012! (5, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | about 3 years ago | (#37536320)

If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting.

If Bush had done that the Democrats would have organized marches with millions of participants protesting."

Invading Iraq on a WMD/Terrorist pretext is wholly different proposition to providing air support to an in-progress popular rebellion.

I'm not American, I don't care for Obama particularly, but the Libya actions seem to be attracting praise from people *worldwide*, whereas the Iraq debacle has ruined the reputation of the US the world over. This particular area is not something that you can or should reduce to partisan politics.

Re:Obama 2012! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536564)

Iraq debacle? You mean the successful invasion of Iraq for the purpose of deposing the convicted mass murderer and general crackpot Saddam Hussein, after receiving proper authorization in the US gov't, international approval in the UN, and including a large multinational force? You mean the debacle that has resulted in less than 4800 allied deaths in 8 years? The debacle where the Iraqi people are no longer under the thumb of the fascist Ba'ath party and out of the revolutions happening in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Syria, etc... has the best bet for a fair and reasonable government?

But I guess none of that counts since Bush did it.

Re:Obama 2012! (1, Offtopic)

Walkingshark (711886) | about 3 years ago | (#37536672)

Iraq debacle? You mean the successful invasion of Iraq for the purpose of deposing the convicted mass murderer and general crackpot Saddam Hussein

Oh, was that the lie they eventually settled on? I lost track after the fifth time they changed the pretext for Bush and Cheney's Excellent Adventure.

Re:Obama 2012! (0)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 3 years ago | (#37537138)

This.

I mean, if it was actually for the purpose of deposing Hussein, then well done, mission accomplished, but holy fuck that cost a lot of lives and made a lot of enemies for such a petty goal.

What I thought it was about was WMDs. What most of the US public thought it was about was stopping terrorism -- a majority of Republicans, in particular, don't understand that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are two different people, and that Hussein had less than nothing to do with 9/11.

Re:Obama 2012! (1, Offtopic)

Nursie (632944) | about 3 years ago | (#37536724)

That's the one, the one where various parts of the US government and military scrambled for as many cooked-up reasons as they could grasp in order to justify a military campaign against a country that was no threat, with a rag-tag band of allies who were drawn into it largely under the protest of their people and pretty much present just to make it look like the US wasn't taking unilateral aggressive action.

The Iraqi people are probably better off now. Probably, after tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths. The number of allied deaths is irrelevant if we were doing this out of the goodness of our hearts, the fact you quote that statistic is very telling of your attitude.

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

Skal Tura (595728) | about 3 years ago | (#37536358)

So you are saying democrats are better in politics

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 3 years ago | (#37536448)

Obama has been bombing Libya for months now without invoking the war powers act.

And Pakistan. And Yemen. And Somalia. And who knows where else...

Re:Obama 2012! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536226)

I find it really hard to believe that the press would have granted a Democratic President that much leeway to commit such crimes.

I agree that GP has it all wrong, but I also take issue with this statement. That's exactly what the press is doing right now. By and large, the corporate-controlled media doesn't care. NBC has more of a Democratic slant and Fox is the PR wing of the Republican party, but beyond that, as long as the schmuck in power is bought, sold and paid for like the rest of them, they'll turn a blind eye to things like this.

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 3 years ago | (#37536188)

I didn't vote in 2008 but I would of voted for Obama if only because I was worried McCain would get us into another war either with Iran or some other state. Plus Sarah Palin didn't help.

Re:Obama 2012! (3, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#37536232)

You should get into the fertilizer business with that amount of bullshit. Bush kidnapped and tortured people on a whim, stole hundred of billions of dollars from the nation in the form of unfunded wars and mandates, and still got reelected. Obama told schoolchildren that they should stay in school, and was excoriated in the media for Soviet brainwashing. He tried to reimburse doctors for helping patients write a living will, and was accused of setting of Nazi Death Panels. The guy can't get away with doing good things.

Republicans can do whatever the hell they want, because their wing of the media owns the party and would never do anything to hurt them. The liberal wing of the media still takes Democrats to task when they do something wrong (watch Rachel Maddow for a week if you don't believe it), while the conservative media makes shit up to criticize them for whenever they try to do something right.

Yours is deeper and browner (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#37536342)

You should get into the fertilizer business with that amount of bullshit.

And then you proceed to bury the pile with double the volume.

Bush kidnapped and tortured people on a whim

This policy is continued today under Obama. So perhaps thats more the CIA than the president..

stole hundred of billions of dollars from the nation in the form of unfunded wars and mandates

Are banks and automobile companies really so different? Not to mention there is Libya...

Obama told schoolchildren that they should stay in school, and was excoriated in the media for Soviet brainwashing.

Methinks you have dropped all context totally there, as well as misunderstanding what "the media" did.

He tried to reimburse doctors for helping patients write a living will, and was accused of setting of Nazi Death Panels

The Death Panels part came not from doctors writing wills but from forming, well, panels deciding how much care people would get - or not. And when you don't get the care you need because the panel thinks you are too old and the treatment too expensive... draw your own conclusions.

Or actually don't, since you seem to be unable to rationally do so otherwise.

I don't have time to wade any further through your "output" so I'll just leave it at that, and let you have the last response since a liberal that far into the vapors will not see reason no matter how many times you read them the Golden Book on it.

Re:Yours is deeper and browner (3, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#37536424)

Liar, liar, liar.

[Torture] is continued today under Obama.

Lies. Rendition is still occurring, which is bad, but torture is not.

Are banks and automobile companies really so different? Not to mention there is Libya...

Banks were bailed out by Bush, liar. The car companies paid back most of their loans, and even if they hadn't, the money would have gone towards employing Americans during a recession instead of sabotaging Medicare with an unfunded prescription drug benefit. And Libya has cost the US about $1 billion dollars, compared to Iraq which has cost over $1 trillion.

Methinks you have dropped all context [regarding Obama speaking to school children], as well as misunderstanding what "the media" did.

By all means, liar, explain how Obama talking to school children really was an act of brainwashing.

The Death Panels part came not from doctors writing wills but from forming, well, panels deciding how much care people would get - or not.

LIAR! The Death Panels crap started over a section of the bill that would have provided optional will-writing services to people over a certain age, or with life threatening conditions. They then kept the lie going even after that section was dropped from the bill, because imbeciles like you were eating it up so well.

Honestly, it is mind-boggling the way Republicans throw up a wall of lies when faced with criticism. Do you really believe that repeating your lie enough will make it true?

Re:Yours is deeper and browner (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536536)

Look, dude, grow up. After reading your post, I don't even care who is right, as long as I don't have to hear you running around the playground like a chicken with its head cut off, screaming "liar liar pants on fire."

You're overtly emotional reaction to this makes me trust what you have to say less, because people who are emotionally invested are just big dumb herd animals.

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

mattventura (1408229) | about 3 years ago | (#37536294)

I disagree. Republicans would generally support this, since it helps corporations and punishes the low to middle classes while benefitting the upper class. Plus, the media benefits from stronger copyright laws.

Re:Obama 2012! (1)

dokc (1562391) | about 3 years ago | (#37536396)

President of the Imperial Galactic Government

The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.

Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Re:Obama 2012! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37535992)

Good point. Anybody who voted for either Barack Obama or John McCain was asking for this.

Re:Obama 2012! (0)

johnmorganjr (960148) | about 3 years ago | (#37536172)

Good grief... I thought the political argument was over and ended on the Sesame Street article. Sigh.... here comes another -1 point.... bring it on.

sigh (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 3 years ago | (#37535996)

Well damn someone pass the lube I guess it's that time again.

Re:sigh (0)

cosm (1072588) | about 3 years ago | (#37536234)

+1 Sad and Hilarious Insight

sorry, no lube left, suggestions? (1)

anarcat (306985) | about 3 years ago | (#37536574)

we're all out.

i wish this would have worked out and that we would won. but it seems "democracy" is only useful when we need to bomb the hell out of a nation we don't like.

http://www.stopacta.info/about [stopacta.info]

maybe there's still time to reverse that idiocy. suggestions?

Re:sorry, no lube left, suggestions? (3, Insightful)

bzipitidoo (647217) | about 3 years ago | (#37537310)

Let them have their fun. It's not entirely irrelevant, but near enough. For decades, sharing has been villified as piracy. And bans on the activity have proven time and again to be impractical to enforce. ACTA doesn't change any of that. If you aren't already, get used to being thought a criminal. And don't sweat about the possibility of being accused and threatened. The odds of it happening are low. Numbers are on our side.

We'll just have to wait for the older generations to lose power. They won't admit that sharing is not evil and not theft, not unless they take one hell of a beating over the issue, which they probably won't. Once they're gone, we'll ditch these idiotic laws. Be nice if it happens sooner, through the election of Pirate Party politicians, but it will happen eventually, one way or another, as mortality catches up with them.

meanwhile in Mexico (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536000)

Mexican Senate has already voted to not let president sign ACTA, yet, mexican IP officials and the content industry local representatives frequently make public statements about Mexico signing ACTA.

They will be at the Japan's signing ceremony as witnesses, but a few congress members haven't officially informed about recent developments concerning ACTA.

It's still as obscure as it was at the begining of the negotiations.

Re:meanwhile in Mexico (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537246)

The likely want a few concessions from the U.S. to help them fight their Narco war.

...like we needed a hole in the head. (5, Interesting)

shoutingloudly (986897) | about 3 years ago | (#37536006)

Don't be shocked if this follows the pattern laid out in the case of the WIPO anticircumvention treaty. It did not require anything nearly as strong as the DMCA, but the content industry kept waiving it in congressional faces, demanding that we pass something far too draconian to be justified by the treaty we had actually signed. In principle, this is set up to be in line with extant US law, thus not requiring a full Senate confirmation, but I wouldn't be shocked if (a) the content industries rammed down much stronger interpretations down other countries' throats, and (b) they then came back to the US and demanded that we "harmonize" with these stronger interpretations.

Canada (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536016)

Has anyone heard about this in the Canadian media? No.

Is Herr Harper going to have it signed anyways? Of course. No need to discuss with the plebes what rights are being signed away. The elite have already been consulted.

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536292)

Hail Harper! Hail Harper! Hail the size of baseballs on Harper!

Re:Canada (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536468)

Is there some country where this has been discussed with the public, and they did favor it?

Not that you shouldn't be pissed that your particular government joined in, but damn does this thing stink every way you look at it.

Re:Canada (2)

Patch86 (1465427) | about 3 years ago | (#37536876)

A brief search on the BBC reveals that they do talk about it- rarely.

Last article that mentions it (in passing): 21/09/2010.
Before that: March 2010.
Then: April 2009.
Then: July 2008.

And all the articles seem to be written by the same two columnists; not exactly by the current affairs journalists.

Like you say; it stinks.

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537146)

Old Stevie is looking more and more like a corporate tea party lapdog. The old Progressive Conservative party was not nearly as right wing as the current crew. Omnibus crime bill insisting on long jail terms and 'tough on crime' policies even though the crime rate hasn't been this low since the early 1960's (and billions spend building new prisons even though everyone says its a waste of money), billions wasted on the stupid stupid G20 summit (and for fiscal conservatives, there is no accounting where all the money went), basically in bed with any large corporate interest including "pollute till you drop", "aesbestos, a nice light snack", "big oil, try some today", and now "wipo, since copyright, like other rights, is a salable commodity anyway". Unions can be legislated back to work "for the good of the economy" time and time again. Its going to be a really bad 5 years, followed by another year where all the crap laws they introduce get repealed.

Yeah, so... (5, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 3 years ago | (#37536030)

... how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya? Feel represented yet?

/me :braces for authoritarian collectivist downmod:

Re:Yeah, so... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536080)

authoritarian collectivism is here to stay. I am happy because I am told I have freedom.

Re:Yeah, so... (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | about 3 years ago | (#37536890)

I am happy because every time I test this hypothesis, it is consistent with what I'm told.

Or perhaps I'm too authoritarian to accept without critical thought the largely unfounded contradictions of random people on the internet?

Re:Yeah, so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536096)

A treaty has to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate in the USA. Obama can't sign crap. . . legally that is. . . let's see what the Constitutional Law Professor does now. *rolleyes*

Re:Yeah, so... (3, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | about 3 years ago | (#37536156)

You mean the 2/3rds of the Senate that gets tens of thousands of dollars donated to their campaigns from the entertainment industry every time election season rolls around? Yeah, I'm sure those guys will put up a fight.

Re:Yeah, so... (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about 3 years ago | (#37536904)

Which third of senators are you expecting to put up a fight? Are you expecting the Democrats to rise up in rebellion against their President? Or are you expecting the Republicans to take a sudden lurch towards lax international property law, against the will of some of the US' biggest businesses?

Write to your representatives and let them know how you feel; but don't expect much.

Re:Yeah, so... (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 3 years ago | (#37537248)

I'd be more inclined to believe the Republicans would block it. They have a preexisting reason to disagree with things that they support, and in general they have less to gain. The states that have large entertainment industry backing are predominantly democrat. Both parties are in the pocket of big business interests, but they're not always the same big business interests...

Representative democracy workin' fine (1)

drnb (2434720) | about 3 years ago | (#37536418)

how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya?

Its working out extremely well if anti-counterfeiting legislation is near the top of our list of concerns.

Re:Representative democracy workin' fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536920)

how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya?

That's the problem. It's not.

Re:Yeah, so... (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 3 years ago | (#37536974)

Right, go ask 10 random people on the street what they think should happen to copyright law, and see how many of them care. When no one cares, then the people who do care tend to get their way (which is, artists and recording industries. What, you don't think artists want longer copyrights? Don't be naive, they are like the rest of us and would gladly take more money).

Representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government, and vote accordingly. When was the last time you voted or even contacted your representative based on copyright? I never have. Maybe I should, but there are other things I care about more.

Re:Yeah, so... (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 3 years ago | (#37537264)

What, you don't think artists want longer copyrights?

Depends on who you count as 'artists'. If you include writers, then actually most of us want shorter copyrights. It gives us a much stronger bargaining position with our publishers if they keep needing more new material because they're unable to make profits from huge back catalogues. Most writers only get a tiny trickle of royalties from books over 10 years old, but for the publishers that's a huge number of small trickles with almost no associated costs.

I suspect it's similar for musicians. If the labels weren't able to keep milking records from the 60's-80s then they'd have a lot more of an incentive to look for new artists to sign...

Re:Yeah, so... (3, Insightful)

myowntrueself (607117) | about 3 years ago | (#37537272)

Representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government, and vote accordingly. When was the last time you voted or even contacted your representative based on copyright? I never have. Maybe I should, but there are other things I care about more.

Most people vote based on what they are told by the media. A minority of people vote based on properly informed and developed opinion.

Democracy is subject to the same 'forces', the same social manipulations and psychology, that underlie advertising. Advertising works and is well worth the billions that are spent on it. Advertising works just as well for 'informing' the public on how they should vote as it does for getting products off of the shelf.

Therefore 'representative' democracy will always be representative of the will of easily manipulated people who are fed false information. Well-informed political debate and dialectic are kept as far away from democracy as possible.

This argument is flawed (1)

coder111 (912060) | about 3 years ago | (#37537294)

Saying "representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government" is like saying "communism only works if people aren't lazy and greedy". Ignorance is just as inherent quality of human beings as greed. Hence democracy/capitalism is also flawed as communism/planned economy/other forms of government.

Until we design a decision making process that works with selfish lazy greedy ignorant people, we won't get anywhere. I believe it can be done, using ideas like ant colony optimization or error detection or correction. We can make electronics work with a certain percentage of flaws- so why not human systems?

--Coder

Lovely! (5, Informative)

Sodel (1917500) | about 3 years ago | (#37536040)

America's top exports: pornography, hamburgers, movies, economic instability, and, of course, imbalanced copyright legislation. Damn it America, keep your garbage to yourself! We all have our own special interest lobby groups! The last thing we need is for our governments to feel the influence of YOUR lobby groups, too. There's hardly any highly developed countries left where people can live quiet lives with *sane* copyright legislation.

Re:Lovely! (-1)

planimal (2454610) | about 3 years ago | (#37536082)

keep being second best. don't worry, The United States will take care of and protect you.

Re:Lovely! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536124)

lol stupid americunt

Re:Lovely! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536244)

honestly, as an American, I don't know anyone that is happy with what our Wise Overlords doing in Washington DC

Re:Lovely! (0)

Sodel (1917500) | about 3 years ago | (#37536128)

don't worry, The United States will take care of and protect you.

"Take care of..." has a darned scary second meaning which, unfortunately, I feel applies here.

Re:Lovely! (2)

SecurityTheatre (2427858) | about 3 years ago | (#37536162)

Man.. it would would be nice if the US was second best at anything I care about (other than number of fighter jets, executions, people in prison and money shoveling)... and technically the US is second best at money shoveling, since the EU has a larger economy, combined, than the US... sure it's not a country, ok, you can't lose them all.

The US emits more pollution than the EU and china combined, despite having just over half the economy (PPP GDP) of the two combined. The US uses 7 times as much water per capita and 4 times as much overall as the two combined.

What are you aiming at here? It's all about fighter jets isn't it?

Pew pew pew. BOOM.

Re:Lovely! (1, Offtopic)

planimal (2454610) | about 3 years ago | (#37536252)

no, i was implying that i enjoy my chocolate and bacon flavored coffee sausages in the morning, take a 70 minute hot water shower despite only being inside of the shower for 5 minutes, shoot several personally owned rifles and pistols before work, drive my giant 5 mpg V10 sports car to said work, put in 8 hours manipulating second rate countries(e.g. your hellhole) into doing our bidding and elongating my lifestyle, come home and bang my fake titted wife, then browse a selection of over 1000 channels on my 60 inch flat screen while getting drunk on arguably the best bourbon whiskey in the world. you jealous?

Re:Lovely! (0)

mdsharpe (1051460) | about 3 years ago | (#37536534)

you jealous?

I feel sick, but not with jealousy.

Re:Lovely! (0)

That Guy From Mrktng (2274712) | about 3 years ago | (#37537114)

I can do the same in my hellhole, w/out the redneckery that is.

Re:Lovely! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536444)

don't worry, The United States will take care of and protect you.

until they decide you have something they want at which point they will fabricate a story about you having WMDs and invade your country.

Re:Lovely! (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 3 years ago | (#37536214)

We import and export insane copyright legislation. Blaming America is idiocy, because the heart of these things is the one way ratchet mechanism aimed at 'harmonization' of laws.

Re:Lovely! (0)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | about 3 years ago | (#37536296)

Okay, but in our defense hamburgers are really good.

Re:Lovely! (0)

tqk (413719) | about 3 years ago | (#37536408)

Okay, but in our defense hamburgers are really good.

No they're not.

On the other hand, World Series Baseball is (almost) always good.

Sorry about that Toronto Blowjobs blip.

hamburgers rock (0)

Chirs (87576) | about 3 years ago | (#37536566)

One of the best I ever had was a nice juicy ground chuck patty with swiss cheese, then a slab of ham on top then a ring of pineapple, then the usual lettuce/tomato/etc. Messy, but *really* good.

Re:Lovely! (0)

phantomfive (622387) | about 3 years ago | (#37536942)

Oh please, you are ranting mindlessly. The US had a much more limited copyright system until recently, when we finally adopted the Berne Convention, which was European law for a century. There's no point in blaming one country or the other, there's plenty of blame to go around.

Unless you want to blame the US. Then carry on.

Re:Lovely! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537214)

DMCA was limited??
bless you!!

Just slowing the flow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536194)

So they'll finally get around to kicking the stuffings out of large torrent sites. Then, everyone goes to Tor or some other darknet, and piracy will shift back to smaller scale.
Maybe.
Meanwhile, Usenet and IRC are still kicking, still the source of major warez, still the breeding ground for trolls, for ever and ever, world without end, amen.

Imaginary Property Warriors (5, Insightful)

cosm (1072588) | about 3 years ago | (#37536200)

That is what the US will become. The warriors of intellectual property. If we can't manufacture, create, and export tangible things, then god-dammit we'll charge for any intangible a lawyer can serve papers on.

Re:Imaginary Property Warriors (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536290)

This is what the world will become, not just the US. Look at the ridicululous b.s. Apple has been able to pull over iPad and iPhone intellectual property, claiming ownership of any thin rectangular tablet device. Europe just passed a copyright extension specifically to give more money to the owners of the Beatles copyrights. And let's not forget that the original draconian copyright regime isn't called "the Berne convention": it's a European creation, rammed down everybodys throat at the insistence of European publishers and media moguls (who basically called the shots back then).

Re:Imaginary Property Warriors (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | about 3 years ago | (#37536936)

Well, when you have a rich population whose most unique valuable facet is their bourgeois capacity to obtain higher education qualifications, and to produce creative works without fear of going bankrupt, then it's a natural step to staunchly defend intellectual property. I mean, if people only value tangible goods and labour, then you're screwed.

Luckily for them, people do value intangible goods very highly. They often just don't realise it, or care to admit it.

Let's call it FARTS (0)

coder111 (912060) | about 3 years ago | (#37537304)

I liked the Cracked article that described our future as FARTS based economy. That is Forced ARTificial Scarcity. Perfectly fitting acronym for it.

--Coder

Well... We know one thing. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536338)

Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....

Are all our bitches now.. You'll enforce our IP laws and fucking like it. And we might pretend to enforce your IP laws if it suits us. But i wouldn't bet on it if an american company is involved.

Mod me down. But it's still 100% true. Watch and see. We're now entering an age of a new unwinnable war.. The war on "piracy"! And it's going to cost us all BILLIONS!. Except hollywood and the music industry. They're the only winners.

Damm we're retarded. But hey... Not nearly as bad as.. Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....

Re:Well... We know one thing. (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 3 years ago | (#37536550)

Are all our bitches now.. You'll enforce our IP laws and fucking like it. And we might pretend to enforce your IP laws if it suits us. But i wouldn't bet on it if an american company is involved.

Don't bet for it for the future, though. It's not like the creation of new IP is a monopoly of US... and while US companies will be busy fighting among themselves and the rest of the world (Apple, Oracle, Google, ) the rest of the world won't stop, watch and eat popcorn, "Berne convention" or ACTA be damned.

Two words ... (4, Insightful)

tqk (413719) | about 3 years ago | (#37536340)

Civil disobedience.

No, I'm not a "pirate" and I don't steal stuff from "Rights Holders" and "Intellectual Property" evangelists. However, I do advocate boycotting them and everything they're selling for pushing draconian "legislation" such as ACTA. This sort of crap is not adding value to the world.

Nobody *needs* anything they're selling.

Don't buy it. Don't use it. Find other suppliers. There's plenty of them if you'd only look! Teach 'em how to rot in hell. Don't go there or play their game, and convince your friends not to as well.

They're slime, they're acting like slime, and you need not put up with actions such as theirs. They're also co-opting your government and legal system against you.

Just don't buy their !@#$. Watch 'em fade into history as they should.

Re:Two words ... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 3 years ago | (#37536488)

Civil disobedience.

No, I'm not a "pirate" and I don't steal stuff from "Rights Holders" and "Intellectual Property" evangelists. However, I do advocate boycotting them and everything they're selling for pushing draconian "legislation" such as ACTA. This sort of crap is not adding value to the world.

Nobody *needs* anything they're selling.

Don't buy it. Don't use it. Find other suppliers. There's plenty of them if you'd only look! Teach 'em how to rot in hell. Don't go there or play their game, and convince your friends not to as well.

They're slime, they're acting like slime, and you need not put up with actions such as theirs. They're also co-opting your government and legal system against you.

Just don't buy their !@#$. Watch 'em fade into history as they should.

Civil disobedience is not boycotting or finding other suppliers.

Re:Two words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536752)

Nope, it's DDoSing. /sarcasm

Nobody knows what the fuck civil disobedience is anymore. From the point of view of most sheeple consumerists, not buying something probably is disobedience.

Look at the "protests" going on in major US cities right now, by "The Other 99%." I've watched on-the-ground footage from the organizers, not the MSM's contortion, and what is really there? Most of it is riff raff who flock to any commotion and bandwagon. A lot of people talking about "love" and "validation." They gave some college kid a few minutes to explain why he was there, and he was off his rocker. I don't say that just to deride him, he was talking and crying like that Britney Spears girl, occasionally diverting long enough to wave around a pill dispenser and talk about how his psychiatrist gave him the pills but he's refusing to take them.

Re:Two words ... (1)

nstlgc (945418) | about 3 years ago | (#37536976)

It is if your 'other supplier' is the Pirate Bay.

Re:Two words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536502)

It's only a matter of time until they force legislation that forces everyone to "buy" their stuff. Look at poor Canada and the taxes they have to pay on any recordable media. Are those going to go away since there can be no more inherent "piracy"?

Re:Two words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536526)

So does ACTA mandate purchasing what they're selling? If not, how is this proposed boycott "civil disobedience"?

Or is this some sort of doublespeak, where you really mean "Pirate like a mofo, but don't say I told you to!"?

Re:Two words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536660)

unfortunately, it's very hard to cut down consumption of said media, further than 0.

Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536446)

The Obama administration has made it possible to create petitions which, if they get sufficient signatures, will be
responded to and potentially acted on. I've created one at http://wh.gov/4PW which I encourage all to read and
sign if they agree with it. We can defeat this!

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (2)

pearl298 (1585049) | about 3 years ago | (#37536500)

The Obama administration has made it possible to create petitions which, if they get sufficient signatures, will be responded to and potentially acted on. I've created one at http://wh.gov/4PW [wh.gov] which I encourage all to read and sign if they agree with it. We can defeat this!

I am signer number 2! Only 4998 more needed to get an official response! "SLASHDOTTING" might actually count for something at last!

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (1)

ADRA (37398) | about 3 years ago | (#37536688)

Too bad you're so far down the page. A whopping 3 responses so far. This is one of the few times I wish posts would flow upward, or cause an editor to make an update to the original post...

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (5, Insightful)

andycal (127447) | about 3 years ago | (#37536956)

OMFG what a terrible website experience ... no wonder only 11 signatures at the moment.
requires sigin to vote.. ok
pop up form incompatible with android touch kybd. ( click text area , lose kybd focus)
use slide out kybd
Sends validation mail.... ok
It's not a link, I have to copy and paste
Drops me to 404 page
Move to laptop, try again
Still, not a link, but copy paste better on laptop, whitehouse.gov says :Validation already used.
Please login, requests email and password... ( I didn't ever get prompted for a password )
request lost password
New validation link, ( still not hot, copy paste) ... OK validated, but link valid only once, please set password.
OK, logged in .. but *lost* is the link to the page I was on... where is that petition ?
back to /. re-click link page comes up, .. but "Sign Petition" is still greyed-out
click "signin" and my choices are "Sign out" and "Forgot Password"
Now I will try logout and log back in.. will see if that works

I get the feeling they don't actually want people to sign these things.

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (0)

c0lo (1497653) | about 3 years ago | (#37536556)

Mod parent up +Informative, please.

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (0)

Tomato42 (2416694) | about 3 years ago | (#37536966)

Kingdom for mod points!

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about 3 years ago | (#37536984)

That's a good idea. I'm tempted to set up the UK equivalent, (it's http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [direct.gov.uk] if anyone wants to beat me to it).

Of course the UK version needs 100,000 signatures, rather than 5,000, but it's still possible. I hope Slashdotters from other countries do so on their equivalents, where available.

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 years ago | (#37537020)

They've done the same thing in the UK, only the time allocated to discuss the content of petitions is shared with others, so no time is actually given to the petitions themselves.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/committee_cannot_debate_epetitions_without_more_time/ [theregister.co.uk]

Signed, site half-slashdotted (1)

bradley13 (1118935) | about 3 years ago | (#37537060)

Done. I had to reload the page a couple of times for the "petition tool" to display correctly. Probably the server is overloaded...

Of course, we are naive to believe that the O'bummer administration (or any administration) will pay attention to opinions that it dislikes. Don't expect this to change anything...

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about 3 years ago | (#37537074)

We have the same system in the UK .... All petitions with enough signatures get considered... and the ones they don't agree with get considered and rejected

Brilliant system of voter appeasement

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537178)

Public choice theory shreds any such hope of that. We are tax livestock that only matter in so far as we do not escape the pen, leave, get sick or die, and turn on the rancher. Public opinion matters only when government loses legitimacy. The government has more incentive to ignore unrest until that happens so long as the people lobbying for the legislation are bribing politicians with votes and goodies. We only get concessions when it costs nothing anyhow. Make up some wedge issue that has no actual money pushing the issue one way or another(like gay marriage for example) and then just divide by constituency.

It is that simple. The application of this study of human action applied to politics reveals that unless there is significant uprising(which is quite relatively expensive compared to the lobbying efforts and compared to the gains and losses of both sides), a few will benefit greatly while the rest will suffer just a bit more. The only time democracy counters this is when for us the costs of fighting it are worth it compared to the costs of suffering it while for the small pressure group the reverse is true and politicians have more incentive to listen to the likewise more incentivized group.

In short, no such petition would be meaningful. Instead it will be less costly for people to bear yet one more straw.

Re:Petition created at Whitehouse.gov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537208)

The Obama administration has created a website where potentially subversive people can just sign up to be placed on a list...

FOSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536454)

switch to GPL! and your soul will be saved from ACTA

donna eis requiem

And the winner is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536554)

China

Politicians: you are not representing me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37536734)

And if you ask why nobody trusts you: those shenanigans are why.

Norway (1)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | about 3 years ago | (#37536998)

Anyone wanna join me in Norway? Wealthy, non-EU state with lots of jobs!

Re:Norway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37537102)

If the EU falls, EFTA might be the next target of massive Lobbying

To the US Government. (1)

crhylove (205956) | about 3 years ago | (#37537012)

Fuck You.

Put me in jail.

I defend the second amendment with cold hard steel.

Re:To the US Government. (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about 3 years ago | (#37537086)

We see your cold hard steel and raise you a sherman tank

China, India, Russia, etc? (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 3 years ago | (#37537184)

Missing from the list. Too bad that the west can't get some backbone and go after the biggest counterfeiters and really protect western interests - all our interests and not just the entertainment industry.

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