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Amazon Kindle Fire Surfaces

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the the-sky-is-red dept.

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MrCrassic was the first of several submitters to write in about the Kindle Fire: "It looks like another competitor has joined the fight for tablet market share. Amazon released specs and pics of its newest offering, the Kindle Fire, which is bound to turn heads at $199. However, I wouldn't sell your Nook Color or iPad just yet. From the article: 'The Kindle Fire doesn't have an embedded camera or a microphone. The device offers Wi-Fi connectivity, though not 3G access, and comes with a 30-day free trial of Amazon Prime, the company's $79-a-year membership service that includes streaming video and free two-day shipping.'"

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521 comments

Murderer (1)

freeshoes (826204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540534)

iPad Killed

Re:Murderer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540692)

Interesting article.

The new Fire seems like a great addition to the tablet wars. The new Kindle e-readers look very cool too.

Thing is, lets face it, the people who own tablets don't read books. Of all the people I know with tablets, they never mention reading on it. They may read websites, possibly magazines, but not long form. The readers I know own Kindles. That's why Amazon was smart not to ignore it's core audience, the heavy reading Kindle users (like myself and my wife).

Now the Fire will let Amazon get at a new audience - the people who want to cheaply consume video, and music. But they also keep their fans of shopping and heavy reading.

Re:Murderer (1)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540874)

FWIW, I own a color nook and read on it all the time.

Re:Murderer (1)

mcl630 (1839996) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541078)

Thing is, lets face it, the people who own tablets don't read books. Of all the people I know with tablets, they never mention reading on it. They may read websites, possibly magazines, but not long form. The readers I know own Kindles. That's why Amazon was smart not to ignore it's core audience, the heavy reading Kindle users (like myself and my wife).

Now the Fire will let Amazon get at a new audience - the people who want to cheaply consume video, and music. But they also keep their fans of shopping and heavy reading.

I own a tablet and I DO use it for reading books.

Re:Murderer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540858)

Kindles catch fire? Guess what the next thing the TSA will block from airplanes will be?

Theif! (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540946)

Cruchpad idea and price point stolen!

Re:Murderer (1)

pyrosine (1787666) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541024)

Agreed - no one seriously needs a camera or a microphone, and at $200 it is affordable. A good move by amazon.

Playbook (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540538)

It's just a PlayBook.

First Post!

Re:Playbook (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540948)

No, it doesn't require you to be chained to a crappy cellphone in order to use it.

Kindle Touch (3, Informative)

Nithin Philips (859095) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540560)

Don't forget Kindle touch wifi for $99, about $30 less than nook touch wifi.

Re:Kindle Touch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540584)

With an inability read epub with converting. No dice.

Re:Kindle Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540648)

Glad I ordered my iRiver Story HD last week, when it was $99 and still in stock.

Re:Kindle Touch (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540994)

Am I the only one who actually *liked* the physical keyboard and buttons on the old Kindle? I don't want my greasy fingerprints all over my screen and I like the tactile feel of a physical keyboard. And the Kindle's physical keyboard was a pretty good one too.

Re:Kindle Touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37541068)

I like the physical keyboard, too. They're still selling the old ones (they call them "Kindle Keyboard") for now, but that may just be until stock runs out... in any case, I'm glad I got one.

Re:Kindle Touch (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541208)

Am I the only one who actually *liked* the physical keyboard and buttons on the old Kindle? I don't want my greasy fingerprints all over my screen and I like the tactile feel of a physical keyboard. And the Kindle's physical keyboard was a pretty good one too.

According to Amazon.com the old version - now referred to as the "Kindle Keyboard/Keyboard 3G" is still available, at the same price as the Touch.

Re:Kindle Touch (1)

UCFFool (832674) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541166)

Don't forget Kindle touch wifi for $99, about $30 less than nook touch wifi.

That's only with 'Special Offers'. It's $10 more without (which would be a fair comparison to the Nook Touch)

So... (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540570)

So this is just a $199 color Kindle? Without 3G.

Re:So... (5, Informative)

Jay Tarbox (48535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540846)

No, it's a full blown android tablet. Without a camera or mike, which I myself never use anyway on a tablet.

Re:So... (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540868)

Where's my mod points?

Re:So... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540974)

It's a full blown android tablet that can also read Kindle books and use Amazon's streaming service, and doesn't require you to sign up for a wireless contract.

In other words, this is what the much more expensive precursor Android tablets should have been - comparable to the iPad but affordable without the Apple tax.

Re:So... (1, Flamebait)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541154)

In other words, this is what the much more expensive precursor Android tablets should have been - comparable to the iPad but affordable without the Apple tax.

So tell me - how did Apple manage to apply its "tax" to the Blackberry Playbook, Motorola Xoom, and Samsung Galaxy Tab (among others)?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540856)

So this is just a $199 color Kindle? Without 3G.

Not entirely sure I understand the question. It's a $199 7 inch touchscreen tablet. It isn't an ebook reader if that's what you mean. It is branded as Kindle. It doesn't have 3G, GPS or a camera. It uses what sounds like a heavily modified version of Android.

I like the price, I like 7 inch, but I want GPS and 3G. Don't care about the camera. Would probably prefer standard Android but would need to look at this properly.

Re:So... (2)

Flipao (903929) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540878)

Exactly the same aside from the screen, processor, OS, UI, ability to browse the web, play video, run games and Android apps... Jackass.

Kindle = kindling (1, Funny)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540594)

Was I the only one who read the headline and thought it was about exploding lithium batteries?

Re:Kindle = kindling (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540646)

That was my first thought, too. I think it's a catchy name but the headline was confusing at first glance.

All I use my iPad for is web surfing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540610)

Just 'cause I like gadgets, I might just buy one... all I do with my iPad is surf the web...so it looks like this will work for me.

Androidish. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540622)

I'd like to know a lot more about how "heavily customized" Android is on this thing before buying one.

Re:Androidish. (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541002)

I want to know if you can sideload it and such. the Nook has been good about allowing this.

I've pre-ordered a Fire regardless - even if you can't load your own custom OS, it's worth it to me to have a wifi tablet for surfing for only $199.

Re:Androidish. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541032)

"Customized" in the same sense as the Apple App Store is "customized" (I.e. "Shut up and give us your money!"). Expect Amazon to take their cut of everything installed.

it's a media consumption device (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540642)

I'm already sick of hearing people bitch about how it doesn't have a camera and how you can't make Skype calls with it. It's not intended to do that. Amazon is selling it purely as a media consumption device to get you to use all their media services (video, audio, books, etc).

for people to do without creating (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540700)

Perhaps they're bitching that it's yet another device that can act as a roadblock for people who want to climb from consumption to creation. Some people will end up owning only devices for consumption; if they want to create, they'll have to either pony up for something else or just do without creating. And if the market for devices capable of creation shrinks, prices for such devices will likely rise due to loss of economies of scale.

It's a tablet, not a ball & chain. (3, Insightful)

Jherico (39763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540764)

This device lacks a camera and a microphone. As far as I know it still has access to an app store, so if you want to create on it you can use any app that allows you to do so (that doesn't require a camera or a microphone). If you desperately want to create photo based or audio based content there are plenty of cheap options to do so.

Does it have "Unknown sources"? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540870)

As far as I know it still has access to an app store, so if you want to create on it you can use any app that allows you to do so

Does it also support sideloading through "Unknown sources" or "adb install"? If not, your ability to create is subject to the application acceptance policy of Amazon Appstore.

Re:Does it have "Unknown sources"? (1)

Jherico (39763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541034)

I'll tell you on Nov 16.

Re:It's a tablet, not a ball & chain. (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540964)

If you desperately want to create photo based or audio based content there are plenty of cheap options to do so.

There are plenty of BETTER options to do so. I have an ipod touch with a cam and mic, those are just horrible. I don't want to see the trash that comes from those, not from my i-device, not from anyones i-device.

Its like saying we'll all be content creators like Michelangelo if cell phone providers merely gave out finger paints and crayolas with each phone.

Re:It's a tablet, not a ball & chain. (2)

maxume (22995) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541006)

Tepples stock and trade is hypothetical morons doing advanced things.

Re:It's a tablet, not a ball & chain. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541094)

That's because if a solution handles more edge cases, it probably handles the common case more robustly as well.

hack saws, chain saws, apples, oranges (3, Insightful)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540924)

Perhaps they're bitching that it's yet another device that can act as a roadblock for people who want to climb from consumption to creation.

I have a hack saw and its getting in my way from cutting through a 6x6 &lt/sarcasm&gt.

People aspiring to climb from consumption to creation should be savvy enough to get equipment that enables them to do so instead of getting equipment such as this which is not intended for that purpose. Fascinating idea, I know!

Re:hack saws, chain saws, apples, oranges (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541084)

Anything which does not support my ideals is opposed to it. Pluralism is weakness. Your ass will be laminated. Resistance is futile.

Re:hack saws, chain saws, apples, oranges (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541132)

People aspiring to climb from consumption to creation should be savvy enough to get equipment that enables them to do so

For one thing, how can people necessarily know one or two years in advance that they want to start creating?

instead of getting equipment such as this which is not intended for that purpose.

The idea is to be able to start creating with what you already own.

Re:for people to do without creating (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541028)

If your choice of tablet computer is a barrier to creating content - photos and videos, no less - I humbly suggest that you were probably not going to create anything on it in the first place. People who want to make things go out and make them, they don't make creativity-themed rationalisations about their gadget purchases.

Re:it's a media consumption device (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541018)

It has applications that let you browse the web and use email. That makes this a credible alternative to a PC desktop or laptop for most people out there.

7in? (0)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540656)

Fail.

Re:7in? (3, Interesting)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540676)

I'm really curious why nobody has brought another 9" tablet to the market. AFAIK, Apple is the only name-brand manufacturer to bring out a 9" 1024x768 tablet. Everyone else is pushing 5/6/7" tablets. Surely screen size is something most people consider when comparison shopping? It's not like screens are terribly expensive any more. I read somewhere that the iPad screen is less than $50 in bulk.

Re:7in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540750)

How is 9.7" equal to 9"?

Re:7in? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540766)

Isn't the iPad 10"?

Or did you fall for the marketingspeak used on the "11-inch" MacBookAir that's actually more of a 12" device?

Re:7in? (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540786)

I'm really curious why nobody has brought another 9" tablet to the market. AFAIK, Apple is the only name-brand manufacturer to bring out a 9" 1024x768 tablet. Everyone else is pushing 5/6/7" tablets. Surely screen size is something most people consider when comparison shopping? It's not like screens are terribly expensive any more. I read somewhere that the iPad screen is less than $50 in bulk.

Power requirements, need a bigger battery. Then higher res means need a bigger CPU. The CPU requires a bigger battery. Eventually you end up with backyard paver brick statistics.

Re:7in? (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541076)

If Apple can do it, all of these other companies can too. It blows me away that there are so many tablets being released lately with worse battery performance than Apple's original iPad.

Re:7in? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541192)

How is Apple able to do it, then? The iPad is crazy thin and has great battery life.

To answer the parent, HP's Touchpad was 9.7", and we all know how that went. (Which is a shame; I really like my Touchpad.)

My problem with Amazon right now is that their announcement almost feels like a bait and switch--they say the new, non-touch Kindle is $79, but don't say up-front that it's ad-supported. You have to go to the product page to see that. Same with the $99 touch Kindle. The price of Kindle eBooks are, from what I've seen, something of a ripoff (this goes for iBooks as well; haven't looked at Nook), but I'd buy a Kindle for $79...if it didn't have ads.

(To the pedants: I realize it isn't actually bait-and-switch, but more misleading.)

Re:7in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540852)

Because manufacturers are only able to compete on price and the best way to reduce price is via screen size reduction (typically the single most expensive part). If their device is at all priced closely to the iPad, then most consumers just opt to get the iPad.

Apple sells a lot of iPads so they've been able to buy contracts for a lot of production capacity for quite some time into the future so they've been able to extract very good price concessions from manufacturers, which leads back to the first part- to compete anywhere with Apple's component costs, you have to opt for a much cheaper (read: smaller) component.

Re:7in? (1)

macshome (818789) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540958)

Previous articles would suggest that Apple simply has all of the 9.7" IPS display production already, hence everyone else making other sizes.

Re:7in? (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541038)

There are some 10" tablets like the Xoom but haven't sold well. I suspect the problem with the screen isn't demand but supply. There are rumors Apple cornered the market by being first and locking down their supply. Every manufacturer after had to either spend more money or get less supply. Or make 7" tablets until more manufacturers were ready.

Re:7in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540696)

It's a Kindle--it's trying to be an e-reader first. That means that the smaller form factor makes it easy to hold in one hand, like a book...

Re:7in? (1)

dcherryholmes (1322535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540940)

Exactly. There are a few times where I wish I had a 10" screen, but being able to palm the nook in one hand really is a feature. As a new dad, I end up doing a lot of the "walk around with the baby on your shoulder till she falls asleep." I can safely hold her with one arm, and read on the nook, flipping pages with a thumb-press on the other. I could not do that with my hardback copy of Dance With Dragons.

Re:7in? (1)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540816)

I don't see the need for a >7 inch tablet. The ideal for them is that they are portable, even 7 inch is pushing it in complete portability. I want something that is easy to take with me anywhere, but not tiny like a cell phone in a tablet device. If I want a mobile computer I have my 17 inch laptop, so the market is for a device that is larger than a 'smart' phone (which I don't own) and yet smaller than a laptop.

Re:7in? (1)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540954)

PDFs. None of the ways to get PDFs to fit on a 7in screen work very well.

Re:7in? (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541092)

I'm fine with a 7 inch screen. I just want a way higher resolution. Something with a similar DPI as the iPhone.

More details (2)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540666)

I posted this as the news were coming in; more details were released during the conference.
Links:

Buy 'em all for less than an iPad! (4, Informative)

jbarr (2233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540672)

If you buy one of everything (wifi models only) that Amazon announced today, it is cheaper than the low end iPad.

Re:Buy 'em all for less than an iPad! (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541040)

My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 6000 of me. God help us all!

There's darn near 7000 now; update your sig

Actually looks very good but. (4, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540684)

Can I root it and put the Android App store on it? I know not yet but hopefully someday.
The Silk browser sounds very Opera like from the mobile days.
OMAP 4! That is a pretty hot CPU folks.
Lack of a front facing camera is a negative. Come on this is pure skype candy folks.

My wife as a rooted viewsonic Gtab and it is really nice but it is too big for for an ereader.
The iPad2 is too pricey and too big.
Even if it isn't hackable at $199 I may still get it just because it would be so handy.

I rooted your wife (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37541014)

Does that help?

Re:Actually looks very good but. (1)

deathguppie (768263) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541114)

It comes with Amazon's app market. Most of the apps all of us use on android market are there already. This is a platform to help sell products. Much the same way that the Xbox and the PS3 sell at low margins for the purpose of selling product. If you use Amazon regularly (especially amazon prime, with product shipping discounts) this is actually a great product in itself. If you don't, then it is still a nice (very basic) tablet. I would have hoped that it were thinner though.

Link on Amazon (2)

mcalchera (1518515) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540688)

Here's the link to the product page [amazon.com] on Amazon if anyone is interested.

Re:Link on Amazon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540890)

Will this thing not handle epub documents?

I get so *@%& sick of Amazon pulling that crap. It's a minor detail on a color IPS screen tablet that can probably handle pdfs just fine, but it's still bs.

I'm sort of surprised the Fire is being compared to iPads so much. I understand it, but it's really clear that the competition they primarily had in mind was the Nook Color (and Nooks more broadly). There's a big story there about the nature of hype.

Despite all these gripes, the Kindle Fire looks really great, and I'm excited about it. I think the real story is the pricing, though--especially what this will inevitably due to Nook pricing, and how the war between B&N and Amazon will affect the larger tablet market.

Re:Link on Amazon (2)

Jherico (39763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541080)

There are plenty of epub readers on the Amazon app store.

Misleading headline is misleading (1)

broginator (1955750) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540702)

Given the headline, the article was pretty disappointing. Not a bad article (I didn't finish reading it once it became clear no actual flames were involved), just not what i was hoping for...

30 days of prime is too short (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540704)

I think the device is pretty decent, but the thing I thought would really have them selling like hotcakes was coming with prime... but I thought it would be more like a year, not 30 days. I don't think 30 days is enough time to really appreciate Prime and get used to random things being practical to get from Amazon because they come so quickly...

I think it should have been at least 90 days.

With it being a 7 inch tablet, and a short Prime trial I'm not sure how it will fare. I think it probably has a much better shot than other Android tablets so far though.

Re:30 days of prime is too short (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541064)

The reason why this device is so cheap is that Amazon anticipates it will drive content sales. Rather than being ad-supported, it's anticipated sales-supported.

Prime is included in that. Prime costs what, less than $10 a month? People will spend more on books for this thing than they would on Prime.

side buttons? (0)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540742)

Wheres the scroll buttons on the side for forward/backward? Don't tell me you have to get the screen you're trying to read all greasy.

The other thing that confuses me is the spam version is $40 less than the spamless version. Seriously? They expect to sell $40 worth of advertising to me on that thing? Some of its probably aspirational, assuming you'll get made fun of by your friends if you're so poor you have to buy the spam version.

The other funny part, is true to form, the amazon web page has the tired and stereotypical "woman reading at the beach" photo. Its hard to predict, but if there's one thing this era will be laughed at for, it MIGHT be the "we're gonna get rich by only selling e-readers to women at the beach".

Re:side buttons? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540894)

IR touch input on the touch Kindle. So really you shouldn't have to touch the screen at all. FWIW the matte display on the original Kindle isn't exactly a fingerprint magnet anyway, and it's all tap-based rather than smear-inducing swipes.

The ads are culled from Amazon's local ads system.

People stereotypically read books on holiday. Amazon's target market is people who read books. Do the maths.

Re:side buttons? (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541004)

The other funny part, is true to form, the amazon web page has the tired and stereotypical "woman reading at the beach" photo. Its hard to predict, but if there's one thing this era will be laughed at for, it MIGHT be the "we're gonna get rich by only selling e-readers to women at the beach".

Last I checked, the biggest-seller by far on Kindle was romance novels. So I think it's safe to say that a large fraction of the Kindles sold are used by women on vacations.

It could be powered by ants for all users care... (1)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540744)

It could run on small insects fed on sugar drops and users wouldn't care - so touting it as an Android-powered device seems to be something Amazon is trying to avoid, this is purely a media consumption device... the same goes for the spec, users don't care as long as it feeds them content well. http://www.cmswire.com/cms/mobile/amazons-199-kindle-fire-to-spark-the-tablet-market-012847.php [cmswire.com]

Re:It could be powered by ants for all users care. (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540876)

It could run on small insects fed on sugar drops and users wouldn't care - so touting it as an Android-powered device seems to be something Amazon is trying to avoid

Average user off the street, like my android phone using sister in law:

Android = expensive little smart phone = have to sign a two year contract = minimum extra $100/month bill to own a "Android Kindle Amazon thing", right?

Two year contract at over $100 plus a couple hundred to buy means its gonna cost around $2000 to have one of these things before loading anything on to it; is it worth two grand?

Also Android = smart phone = battery only lasts a couple hours = gotta charge it every day. Its enough of a PITA to charge my phone every day, now I gotta charge my e-reader every day too?

doesn't have an embedded camera or a microphone (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540754)

That's a feature, not a bug. I don't need a built in camera.

"comes with a 30-day free trial of Amazon Prime,"

Which any Amazon customer can get anyway. Do they take any money off for those who already subscribe to Prime?

Most important for me, does it have memory expansion via SDHC or microSDHC ?

Re:doesn't have an embedded camera or a microphone (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541108)

I for one love that they are offering it without a camera and microphone (and without 3G). I don't want to pay for features that don't match my use case, which is me using this on my home wifi or places that also have wifi.

Silk Browser (2)

pablodiazgutierrez (756813) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540758)

One interesting differentiator with respect to other Android devices is the Silk browser [wordpress.com] . I'd like to get one in my hands to verify that allegedly reduced page loading time. That's what's killing me when I use my mobile devices.

Re:Silk Browser (1)

FunnyStrange (974343) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541204)

So, if the browser is faster because everything goes through Amazon's servers, does that mean that they know everywhere I go on the web? And do they then get to use that information to "optimize" the ads presented to me to buy things from them?

I suspect the answer is "yes" to both questions.

Their prices are lower for the razors because they expect to make the money back from increased sales of blades. It's a different business model from Apple's, but it's still a plan for extracting maximum cash from customers. TANSTAAFL.

So, what can you NOT do with this? (3, Interesting)

joh (27088) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540802)

No Skype, Fring or anything (no mic, no camera). No Google apps, so no navigation, no email (without third-party apps) and calendaring. No mobile internet at all.

Surely not a bad media-tablet and surely cheap, but a tablet computer this is not.

Looks to me as if it would require some major tinkering to turn it into something fun and useful and you'll still have no 3G, no camera and no microphone.

Re:So, what can you NOT do with this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540962)

Amazon is smart to stick to the media experience first and achieve the low, low price. I don't think most people buy tablets for Skype or GPS. The mobile internet lack is an issue, though wi-fi is a good compromise (find a starbucks, etc.). The other "tablet computer" attempts have been hampered by trying to be everything to everyone to compete with the iPads, coming in at the same or higher price but with a worse user experience. Most people, it seems, use a tablet for simple web browsing and media. Better for Amazon to focus on media and web browsing, which is most of the market for iPads, and then offer a better, more expensive experience later on for people who want it at the iPad's price point.

Re:So, what can you NOT do with this? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541124)

There's a browser and email. The page on amazon specifically states these things, including that you can check Gmail with it.

DOA? (0)

SubTexel (715118) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540804)

Hrmmm, so the new Apple killer that everyone has been claiming it would be lacks cameras, GPS and storage. It's not even an Android tablet competitor (vs. the likes of the Xoom, Iconia, etc....). And to top it of it's a "transitional" tablet, with the "real" one coming out sometime in 2012. Gah. I was actually excited until I read the specs. If it had at least copied the basic hardware the HP Touchpad came out with it'd have been an iPad killer especially with Amazon's backing and a 199 price, but as it sits it's just a color nook with Angry birds.

Re:DOA? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541010)

You cant make a tablet that matches the Touchpad in specs and sell it for $199 and still make a profit.

Side-loading (1)

blogan (84463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540810)

I'm going to wait to see if things can be sideloaded onto this. I have a few custom applications that it would be nice to run without having to publish them in Amazon Appstore. I see rumors, but waiting to see if it's true.

No Mic, No Camera, No Problem (2)

wbav (223901) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540842)

I mean really. Who's buying the iPad for the high quality camera and microphone.

And for the extra $300, you can buy a digital tape recorder and a digital camera, and have enough left over for dinner. I'm sure there's a site [amazon.com] that can help you find those (except for dinner).

Re:No Mic, No Camera, No Problem (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540944)

Really, it's a feature.

No way for anyone (Amazon, little Timmy's principal, some hax0rz, etc.) to peep at your shit, and you'll be able to use it in court and other sensitive areas.

The "2 finger multi touch" is a feature as well - gestures are shit for simple minded morons who have some base need to paw at things. This device needs some form of it to allow for zooming (since it has only 1 physical button - power), but it's good to see that all the developers (sorry, I meant "devs") will be unable to blindly port tons of gimmicky shit from the iPhone/iPad, or to make new gimmicky applications (sorry, I meant "apps"). The lack of a gyroscope also helps this.

Silk is kinda scary (1)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540866)

Sure, we'll give you web access....through our prefect system.

Then there's the hardware spec. 1024x600 screen, 8 gigs internal storage (free cloud storage for *amazon* content) and no camera.

The dual core tegras are nice, but that's about it. I told someone earlier today. This isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, it's more like 6:00am on the Normandy (or Dieppe) beaches. The iPad is still going to dominate for a long time, but there might finally be a legit contender on the horizon

Bluetooth? USB?? (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540910)

It doesn't look like this thing has bluetooth, which limits its usefulness. While it *does* have a USB port, there's no mention of what types of devices are supported via USB.

Can I plug in a flash drive? A USB keyboard? A printer? -- heck, can I attach this tablet to a USB hub and access all my regular peripherals? Or is the USB port just for charging up the tablet?

See, I'm looking for a nice portable terminal to SSH to my servers -- and while a tablet seems like a good idea for this role, it needs to allow me to plug in a good keyboard, and use this keyboard.

Re:Bluetooth? USB?? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37540998)

You're asking whether you can plug a printer into a Kindle? Do you even know what a Kindle is?

Re:Bluetooth? USB?? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541144)

I think you're looking for a laptop, not an android tablet.

Tax Dodgers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37540934)

I like a lot of things about Amazon.
But I don't buy from them because they think the "community" they live in doesn't matter

Re:Tax Dodgers (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541140)

Same as Home Depot. I bought some things in Home Depot in Charleston, SC and they didn't even try to collect the sales taxes for the state and county I live in (Texas). Bastards!

Re:Tax Dodgers (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541176)

One of the reasons I like buying from them is that they are fighting internet taxation.

No 3G. Less Space than an iPad. (1)

macromorgan (2020426) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541052)

Lame.

Boy this free market is great (1)

trout007 (975317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541060)

It brings us all sorts of great stuff and it keeps getting cheaper.

In other news health "insurance" has gone up 9% in the past year.

Unlike other tablets such as the Nook or iPad, (1)

wiredog (43288) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541062)

you can't load your own content directly on it. You first have to upload that to 'the cloud' where it will be inaccessible the moment you lose connectivity. (Yes, I know, every slashdotter has a wifi hotspot in their car and backyard. You all have no objections to paying $10/hour for really slow wifi on an airplane, either.)

Unlike the Nook, you can't put in extra storage with a mircoSD card.

Re:Unlike other tablets such as the Nook or iPad, (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541112)

It has 8GB of onboard storage and if it's anything like the original Kindles it'll show up as a USB mass storage device and accept the specific range of document files it's designed to display.

I suggested a bare-bones tablet here before (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 2 years ago | (#37541070)

Drop the frills like GPS and camera. Maybe not enough horsepower for gaming and video. How much of a market will there be for a half-price device?

Its like giving away the razor to sell the blades. Both Apple and Amazon make about 30% on content. They expect to double their return within years with content sales.
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