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HP Touch Pad Still Popular ... With HP Employees

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the they-were-there-when-it-happened dept.

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Earl The Squirrel joins the army of Slashdot submitters, with a story that dampens my hopes to get one of the last (cheap) HP Touch Pads. He writes: "Today HP made available to their employees (via their EPP store) one last batch of HP Touch Pads. The response has been so overwhelming that if you go to the HP store right now, you'll get the 'Please try again later' page. HP employees have 'slashdotted' their own store."

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slashdotted? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552496)

christ has this term turned into something stupid like 'photoshopped' ?

It's only a slashdotting if the referrer is slashdot.org

Re:slashdotted? (0)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552542)

That might be why the term is in quotes.

Re:slashdotted? (2)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552738)

christ has this term turned into something stupid like 'photoshopped' ?

Yes [wikipedia.org]
"The Slashdot effect, also known as slashdotting, occurs when a popular website links to a smaller site, causing a massive increase in traffic."

Re:slashdotted? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554740)

When I lived at the geek compound, "slashdotting" had an entirely different meaning. Basically, timothy or micheal would pick up a twink and bring him back for sex. The slashdotting was when we ran train on his ass! See, the twink thought he was going to get his dick sucked, maybe suck a dick of his own, end of story. Instead he was sodomized by a dozen or more fat gay men.

I guess it's understandable why some people think it applied to websites, too!

and give me one reason (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552792)

why it shouldnt turn into a term like that.

can we call writing half (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552826)

of your comment in the subject line the "WTF effect"?

Indeed. People shouldn't mix subject and body text (3, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554264)

...

I guess reselling TouchPads might appeal some... (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552498)

...specially considering how HP is being managed these days!

Re:I guess reselling TouchPads might appeal some.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552546)

HP employees probably wanna make as much cash on the side as they can now, knowing their impending unemployment.

Re:I guess reselling TouchPads might appeal some.. (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554312)

HP employees probably wanna make as much cash on the side as they can now, knowing their impending unemployment.

Maybe Meg will give them good feedback for their résumés.

A+++ worker, would hire again.

Re:I guess reselling TouchPads might appeal some.. (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 3 years ago | (#37556126)

Lol, you think Meg wrote her own resume, cute.

Re:I guess reselling TouchPads might appeal some.. (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553256)

There is a fairly good analysis posted over in comments over on metafilter [metafilter.com] .

Basically, HP has always sold these blood-of-the-innocent printers for cultists who worship Cthulhu or whatever, but like all printer companies, they made the cartridges hard to refill. As you can imagine, that's a much larger problem for a cultist who needs the sacrifice dying right there.

HP has tried to profit form this for years by sending employees out as 'sacrificial printing geniuses', but they needed an awful lot of employees doing this, because so many rituals must occur on the same nights.

Now, you've got almost all HP employees in one Great Old One's cult or another. So obviously the HP employees rushed out to buy the first tablet that offered blood-of-the-innocent based display technology.

I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552504)

Played with iOS and Android more than a little. The winner for best interface goes to WebOS, by a landslide. I didn't expect to like my Touchpad this much, but it's just leaps and bounds ahead of my Android and iOS stuff...

Damnit, HP. Why must everything you touch turn to crap?

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552580)

I have much the same experience. I haven't used it enough to really fall in love with it but I like the nuances so far. We have replaced the home laptop with it for most tasks which saves a ton of power.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (3, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552714)

I have much the same experience. I haven't used it enough to really fall in love with it but I like the nuances so far. We have replaced the home laptop with it for most tasks which saves a ton of power.

Given that Power = mc2 / T, where T is the time you have been using the tablet, "a ton of power" is very impressive. Do you usually use nuclear explosions to represent your 1 bits?

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553226)

No, I use the explosions to remove my 1 bits. The 1 bits are mountains, a crater is a zero.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554134)

It's sad that no one else has replied to this comment. Very well put!! Also no sharks, Grits (was a profit!); where is the OLD crowd today??

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554296)

Sigh. He's obviously talking metric tons.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (3, Interesting)

spiffydudex (1458363) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552614)

I agree, the interface is great for doing everyday tasks. Love the simplicity in the email client. The only thing I did was disable the logging and increase the CPU to its standard 1.5ghz. The Pad is rock solid and for around 250$ you can get a 32gb model second hand. Great Deal in my opinion. Some may comp,ain about the lack of apps. Yes, the WebOS store is young. However, Games aside, I haven't found an app that wouldnt do what I needed productivity-wise. Now with Cyanogen claiming they want to be able to dual boot WebOS and Android, its just icing on the already delicious cake.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552630)

agreed, I really like mine as well. It runs extremely well at 1.7GHz. Unfortunately not very many apps, except DOS, palm phone and Ubuntu stuff which aren't really tablet-friendly, but it seems to be increasing slowly but surely.

The WebOS team seems very integrated into the community which is one of the 2 reasons that I haven't tried putting Android (The other being the OS shell of course), I hope to see WebOS land on another tablet but without that happening, there are no answers that I can find about the future of WebOS outside of phones.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (3, Insightful)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552980)

WebOS itself is pretty awesome, but the default browser needs serious work. It can't load any slashdot discussion past 100 comments without flaking out with rendering issues.

And considering that browsing and reading are the two big reasons I wanted a tablet for, this is a pretty serious drawback to an otherwise excellent deal.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (2)

Arrepiadd (688829) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554602)

Maybe it's Slashdot who needs a bit of work and not the other way around.

awesome: the ad for this /. post is for iPad cases (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553448)

From RSS, i loved that the ad for this /. post is for iPad cases :-)

Re:awesome: the ad for this /. post is for iPad ca (1)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555254)

Well, it is just about the same size as the first iPad. I got a Griffin folio-style case designed for the iPad 1 for $5 from Verizon. It's a perfect fit for the Touchpad.

Re:I've used a fair variety of mobile OSes now... (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555454)

I'm in the same boat. Overclocked with F15C to 1.728GHz and the stability and sluggishness problems go away, without a horrible hit to battery life. Also a few other performance tweaks (less logging, faster transitions, etc.) and the thing really flies.

I like it so much I'm selling my iPad.

Why is this surprising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552508)

Does anyone think HP employees of all people haven't seen them consistently selling for $250-$300 on eBay? Who in their right mind wouldn't try to buy as many as they're allowed and triple their money?

Re:Why is this surprising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552528)

They have a limit of 1 per person.

I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (4, Interesting)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552558)

Um, HP? Remember me? The guy that paid you $131.95 at 3am on August 21st? Yeah, haven't received my TouchPad yet and you haven't refunded my money. Every day you update it with a new ship date and delivery date, now it says Sept 27th ship date.

How can you be selling these to your employees when you haven't even shipped the ones you still owe your customers?

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (1)

anerki (169995) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552724)

Nobody said anything about shipping them to their employees either.

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552756)

What makes you think they will ship to employees after taking their money?

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552838)

from Hewlett-Packard Hewlett-Packard@research.americas.hp.com
reply-to Hewlett-Packard.6gqm6ckb6.d3s3@research.americas.hp.com
to (removed)
date Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM
subject Important Update about HP TouchPad

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your interest in the HP TouchPad and webOS. The overwhelming demand for this product in recent days has made it difficult to fulfill your request at the present time, and we are working to make more available as soon as possible. While we do not yet have specific details, we know it will be at least a few weeks before we have a limited quantity available again. We will keep you informed as we have more specifics that we can communicate, and we encourage you to join the conversation here for the latest information.

In light of this and other recent HP news, we want you to know that we remain committed to you. We will continue to honor our warranties now and in the future. We will continue delivering products that make a difference in your life and we will continue to provide the best possible service to you every day.

We are grateful for your patience and loyalty and to show our gratitude, we are offering you an exclusive one-time opportunity to save an additional amount on all of our products, valid through the end of the day tomorrow, Wednesday, August 31, 2011. You'll save 25% off all printers, ink, HP accessories, and PCs starting at or above $599. To take advantage of this offer, use your unique coupon code 1428607206 at checkout, and for more information on the details of this offer, please look at the bottom of this email.

Sincerely,

hpdirect.com


a few weeks is up.... although I think it was kind of funny that they wanted me to send them more money when they hadn't delivered the item I already paid for. Classy HP! Got any bridges or swampland in Florida [wikipedia.org] for sale?

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553080)

Oops I forgot about this update:
from Hewlett-Packard us-bulletins@customer.hp.com
reply-to us-bulletins@customer.hp.com
to (removed)
date Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:18 PM
subject Your HP TouchPad will be delivered in 6-8 weeks


P Small and Medium Business Customer,

Thank you for your interest in webOS and the HP TouchPad – the response to our price reduction has been overwhelming – both in terms of volume and in the energy and enthusiasm it has generated in our customers.

It has taken us longer than anticipated to work through the high volume of orders that were received. We apologize for any uncertainty this caused, but we are now in a position to understand our ability to fulfill your order.

Your order will be fulfilled at the discounted price. However, we do not have enough stock to satisfy your order at this time. It will take 6-8 weeks to build enough HP TouchPads to meet our current commitments, during which time your order will then ship from this stock with free ground shipping. You will receive a shipping notification with tracking number once your order has shipped. We apologize that these timelines are longer than indicated on the website at time of purchase.

At the significantly reduced price, the HP TouchPad does not qualify for our standard 30 day return policy and is not returnable.

If this delay is not acceptable, please send an email to TouchPadCancel@hp.com with your instructions for cancellation within a week. Be sure to include your HP order number and the name and ship-to address on the order. Also please indicate clearly if this is the only order requiring cancellation or if you wish all orders in your name to be canceled. You will receive an automated cancel notification when your order cancellation request has been processed. Please be aware, however, that cancellations cannot be reversed, and our US SMB store has sold out of HP TouchPad and will not make any further available for sale.

We are pleased that we will be able to fulfill your order and look forward to you joining the exciting community of webOS!

Sincerely,
Your HP Small and Medium Business Team
www.hp.com/go/touchpadFAQ


According to this email don't have any to sell right now (not for another 3 to 5 weeks) but they're "selling" them to their employees? Went from "few weeks" to 6-8 weeks and haven't heard anything in the past 3 weeks, good thing I'm not holding my breath.

I'd like to point out that this HP Firesale was probably the biggest failure of 2011. Going from $399 to $99... ?? Really? Who didn't see that being a colossal blunder? You could have dropped it to $199 and sold all your inventory, made twice as much money and not piss off customers. But instead we have this. Sorry HP but you're stupid, there's really no nice putting it. You don't think, you're like that person that just blurts out whatever comes to mind and everyone's thinking "OMG did he just say that? I can't believe he's such a idiot..."

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553810)

"ou could have dropped it to $199 and sold all your inventory, made twice as much money and not piss off customers. "
based on what? WTF do you base 199 would sell out? hmm? fucking nothing, that's what. Idiot.

When I look at their sales, their sales channel, I can see exactly why they chose 99 dollars.
No other 99 dollar table sells that fast, and 199 tables are even worse.
But no, you don't look at the industry, and your hubris doesn't let you think "hmmm, I wonder why they chose 99 dollars?" no, you just go to 'stupid'.

Which is probably how you think of everyone who does something different, because, hey understanding why before [pronouncing 'stupid' take that ability to actually think.

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (4, Informative)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554598)

"ou could have dropped it to $199 and sold all your inventory, made twice as much money and not piss off customers. " based on what? WTF do you base 199 would sell out? hmm? fucking nothing, that's what. Idiot.

When I look at their sales, their sales channel, I can see exactly why they chose 99 dollars. No other 99 dollar table sells that fast, and 199 tables are even worse. But no, you don't look at the industry, and your hubris doesn't let you think "hmmm, I wonder why they chose 99 dollars?" no, you just go to 'stupid'.

Are you kidding? There is no other tablet even close to the Touchpad's specs for under $200. Dual core 1.2ghz, 9.7" multi-touch capacitive screen, 16gb, webcam, 802.11a/b/g/n, bluetooth. [wikipedia.org] Closest thing with those specs is a $500 iPad 2. [walmart.com]

They're still selling for over $200 on Ebay now [ebay.com] even though everyone knows people bought them for $99

$99 was so low that HP is being sued by stockholders for misleading them. [reuters.com]

ah you're AC! dammit i shouldn't even respond to you trolls

ah HA! (2)

microcars (708223) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552858)

so THIS is how they make up for it in volume!

Take orders for 1.25 million @ $99
Only have 250K in stock.
profit!

Re:ah HA! (1)

phil_aychio (2438214) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553990)

HP engineers have figured out how to cluster all the remaining TouchPads and are now using them to mine bitcoins. I think those of us who have them on order won't get them anytime soon.

Re:I'M STILL WAITING ON MINE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37555796)

Yeah, I wondered the same thing. 3pm on August 20 here. I decided to call HP and ask, if employees drain the stock that was supplied before honoring existing customers, would we just be screwed? The rep told me that the employee stock is from orders cancelled by existing customers who didn't want to wait. Put as much trust in that as you like, but it seems reasonable to me.

Me too (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#37556006)

And at this rate, I fully expect an email reneging on my purchase based on some bullshit excuse. This will probably end in tears and useless class-action lawsuits.

Or they just know they can turn them for a profit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552574)

>>>HP Touch Pad Still Popular ... With HP Employees

Or they just know they can turn them for a profit.

Because there was nothing wrong with the product, (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552596)

HP had just priced it out of the market.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552716)

They charged what it costs plus a modest margin. Sometimes you're not pricing something wrong, it's just that there just isn't a rational price which makes for an easy sale.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552758)

I don't know about that. They priced it the same as the iPad, and then when it wasn't selling dropped it $100. I dare say, if they released it at $100 less it would have sold better, since the perception after the price drop was that no one willing to buy it.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552804)

Bingo. "They charged what it cost plus a modest margin" makes the huge leap of faith that Apple is also making a "modest margin".

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553502)

No. Apple's making a nice margin on the iPad. But they can also make them more cheaply than HP can make Playbooks, because they have huge volume and have stitched up agreements with component manufacturers.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553868)

And HP doesn't have a channel? please. You have NOTHING to base that statement on.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554050)

Are you really pretending to have seen none of the stories in the tech and mainstream press discussing how Apple has leveraged their huge supply of cash to get bulk component pricing agreements that no other manufacturer can match?

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555712)

I take it you don't read Slashdot regularly. Apple buys insane quantities of flash for the iPods, iPhones, iPads, and now for laptops as well. They pay, in advance, for the entire production run from a factory for some period of time. The often even pay for some of the build costs of the factory. This gets them huge discounts. I don't know what they're paying now, but when the iPod Nano came out Apple was paying about half as much for flash as everyone else.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554122)

According to Google, HP Touchpad costs $306 [isuppli.com] to make while the iPad costs $260 [businessweek.com] . Of course it's all approximate, but at $499 it's clear they're being sold with about a $150 - $200 margin, which is pretty hefty in the consumer electronics market.

Now it's speculated that Amazon is taking a $50 loss on each Kindle Fire. And you know what, they're going to sell a ton. A quote from my friend just now: "dunno why i want the kindle fire so much." I'll tell you why, because it's in impulse buy range. And if Amazon can make that $50 back in content sales then they're going to do well with these.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552818)

And if they priced it for free it would've sold ever faster! Then it would have been a huge financial success!

That model actually could've worked if HP had a substantial subscription service or similar to make up the difference after the sale, like Apple does with the iPhone/iPad, but they didn't so they had to actually turn the profit on the device to make up for even the cost of research and development.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553648)

I don't think that $100 would've made a big difference. There are already $400 tablets, they're not much more of a success. The fervour with which people clamoured for a sub-$200 touchpad shouldn't be taken as a general indicator that any price cut would've made it a success. I think that wouldn't have kicked in until well beyond the break-even point for HP.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553838)

"They charged what it costs plus a modest margin"
which in no way disproves his point. Even if you sell it at cost, if it's past the consumer price point, it's been priced out of the market.

Re:Because there was nothing wrong with the produc (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552800)

HP had just priced it out of the market.

Maybe... but I can't help thinking that more people would buy a $700 tablet for $99 than would have just brought it for $99

They don't have a choice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552876)

Apple locked most of the component suppliers into low-price contracts. Apple can get deals by buying 20 million screens/batteries/custom ARM CPUs/Gorilla Glass covers that you just can't get when you're buying 2 million. It's the same problem that Motorola and Samsung have with their tablets ending up more expensive than Apples

I can see it coming back. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552700)

This just proved that those devices would go like bread and butter if sold from that price point. A manager needs to be stupid not to realize this kind of proof of concept.

Re:I can see it coming back. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552808)

The problem is that the BOM was something like 3x the sale price. A lot of ideas start looking real, real, good at ~30% of cost... That said, WebOS is an excellent tablet shell, I like mine(and would really hope to see some sort of ability to embed android apps into cards; but it makes android as a shell look like a toy in the 10' size.

You can get something resembling a tablet for $99, actual price, but those tend to be pretty dire: low resolution screen with lousy viewing angles, resistive touch film, lousy SoC specs... the Touchpad had a bit over $99 worth of touchscreen alone, and that is sort of an important feature for a device with no other interface options.

Re:I can see it coming back. (1)

ocularsinister (774024) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552810)

A manager needs to be stupid not to realize this kind of proof of concept.

You do realise this is HP we are talking about here?

Re:I can see it coming back. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552850)

Problem is that the price at which they 'go like bread and butter' is also a price which results in a loss for HP and that's something HP isn't brave enough to stomach.

What HP should have done is to sell the 16GB at $199 and absorb the losses for a while whilst building a user and developer base.

Re:I can see it coming back. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553114)

Actually, the eBay price is the price point that tablet makers should be looking at. Turns out that many TouchPads are selling for about $200-$250. If I were Microsoft, I would be watching very carefully. Since MS is loaded with cash, why not sell the MS tablet for a loss so that you can create an instant community. Apple did this by being the first to create a usable tablet; the next table has to do something different to compete so why not use price?

Re:I can see it coming back. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554246)

Windows 8 tablets are going to be $399 at the absolute minimum to start with, probably more.

BeOS part two? (5, Insightful)

jtseng (4054) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552732)

It seems like webOS is going to die an undeserved death. It was conceived by a company too small to survive and came late into the game, and it will be killed by a company too stupid to know what it has and what to do with it.

Re:BeOS part two? (2)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552822)

It seems like webOS is going to die an undeserved death. It was conceived by a company too small to survive and came late into the game, and it will be killed by a company too stupid to know what it has and what to do with it.

True. They could have kept it going for the cost of sacking half a dozen CEOs or so.

Re:BeOS part two? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553886)

No, WebOS will continue.

Re:BeOS part two? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554542)

On what hardware? Yeah, they didn't lay off the WebOS team yet but without any devices to put the stuff on, it's going to get axed in short order.

Re:BeOS part two? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554446)

Wait - Wasn't WebOS conceived by the same company that bought and killed BeOS?

Re:BeOS part two? (1)

idontusenumbers (1367883) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555178)

Hence the subject of the comment.

Wher'es mine? I got a confirmed order on day 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552748)

Still haven't seen it. till have the open and unfulfilled order :(

Touchpad? (1)

sco_robinso (749990) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552782)

Most people I know don't even know what the touchpad is/was. I would honestly say HP didn't so a very good job marketing this thing, because it was just a whole lot of *shrugs shoulders*. Most people didn't even know what the Pre was, or that Palm was even a player in the market for the past 5 years. Tech saavy people know what's up, but the other 95% of the population never put much thought into palm post early-2000's. Palm's pre-Pre devices (no oun intended) were pretty much for the power user set.

It's too bad, really. The touchpas I thought was a great device.

Re:Touchpad? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553232)

But they got all those actors to do the commercials where you couldn't see their face until the end.

they really muffed this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37552828)

  1. try to get iPad prices for tablet that is not an iPad
  2. throw in the towel too early and clear out stock at fire-sale prices (instead of trying to find what a rational price in the market would be)
  3. sell off the last of the lot first-come first-serve to employees, thereby wasting thousands of man-hours company wide (maybe having a lottery would have been more efficient?)
  4. not have adequate server capacity to handle a rush like that (This is a company that wants to sell services to other companies, and they can't get something as simple as load planning right. The have a pattern of under-resourcing critical internal systems.)

posting annonymously as an EDS'er who was press-ganged by HP

What HP should have done (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#37552860)

1. Sold a cheap TouchPad

2. Played off the synergy of its desktops, phones, and TouchPads. It was cool how you could send a link from your Pre to a TouchPad just by touching the two.

3. Profit!

Re:What HP should have done (4, Funny)

nine-times (778537) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553052)

Sounds like we have an MBA in the house.

  1. Sell your product at a loss
  2. Rely on "synergy"
  3. Profit!

Re:What HP should have done (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553874)

Sounds like we have an MBA in the house.

Sell your product at a loss

Rely on "synergy"

Profit!

BINGO!!

Re:What HP should have done (1)

macromorgan (2020426) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554566)

Sounds like we have an MBA in the house.

  1. Sell your product at a loss
  2. Rely on "synergy"
  3. Profit!

An MBA who cheated in Finance... (like most MBAs, apparently)

Re:What HP should have done (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553758)

It was cool how you could send a link from your Pre to a TouchPad just by touching the two.

It would have been cool, but as I recall, you had to have a Pre3 for that, and those were released in the UK only, the day before HP announced it was killing off all WebOS devices. I wonder if anyone actually got a Pre3 and a TouchPad in a room together at the same time.

Rugby? (1)

axxter (128054) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553150)

I'm sure I'm not the only South African who read the first part of the headline and wondered briefly why /. was commenting on the the SA vs Samoa match in the rugby world cup tomorrow ...

Re:Rugby? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553678)

wtf are you talking about?

Re:Rugby? (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554160)

I'm sure I'm not the only South African who read the first part of the headline and wondered briefly why /. was commenting on the the SA vs Samoa match in the rugby world cup tomorrow ...

Maybe not, but I can assure you no American had any such thought. I'm not sure any American could have that thought.

Touchpad vs. iPad (4, Interesting)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553348)

I was one of the lucky few who got one of the $99 HP Touchpads in the store. And, as an iPad owner, I have to say... My iPad was gathering dust. I originally bought the iPad because I was sold on the apps. It seemed like there were so many and I could do anything! But it didn't take long to realize that doing any kind of involved work on a touchpad was slow and awkward. And soon I was just using my laptop for any of that. All I used the iPad for was web browsing, and watching video. Enter the Touchpad. For browsing the web? A superiour experience, as not only do I have flash, but I quite like the webOS cards for handling multiple browser windows. For viewing media? I have a homebuilt PVR that I use to record tv shows. They are recorded in a format supported by the Touchpad. So how much effort is involved in transfering my TV shows to the Touchpad? I just plug it in, the Touchpad shows up like a USB drive, and I transfer files. Compare that to having to run iTunes and open files and synch... The Touchpad is just so much more convenient. You can argue specs, you can argue "The iPad has apps!" But as an item filling a niche between laptops and smart phones and finding myself with access to both, I'm reaching for the Touchpad much more than I'm reaching for my iPad.

TL;DR I never would've checked out the HP Touchpad except for the price. But now that I have, it has already displaced my iPad as a better product for my needs.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (3, Interesting)

striker64 (256203) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553538)

are you seriously surprised by this? The PC industry has spent years and countless man hours making things easy to use, yet still powerful for users like us to do whatever we want with the tech. Then comes along apple and tells us that the great progress we've made is all worth shit, we need isolated apps and don't need to interconnect any which device we want, who needs that stuff? And the general population eats it up like its a free krsipy kreme donut! Sure apple perfected the touchscreen and snazzy animations, but I can't help but think they've set us back so far in terms of computing advancement, and will remain that way so long as their app store model maintains a foothold.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553762)

Apple : PC :: Religion : Society

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553914)

Style. Apple has style. That's why they are successful.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (2)

microcars (708223) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553744)

... TL;DR I never would've checked out the HP Touchpad except for the price. But now that I have, it has already displaced my iPad as a better product for my needs.

So now that you have used both, if you could go back in time, would you pay $499 (original list price I believe) for the Touchpad?

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37555108)

*Not* the parent of your post here...

I would have paid up to $299. I believe the price on tablets is at a point where people take one look and say "but but but the laptop over there is just 399!" At $499, it's a lot of money, and a barrier that people are thinking twice about crossing. You're basically saying "hand over a paycheck or two to get this" to a lot of people. The quandary isn't the tech, it's the cost. The pricing - and the cost of components - is what killed it.

HP could have sold each one at a loss of $299 and then made up the difference getting a cut from their app store, aka PS3/Xbox game model, aka "razor blade" model...it would have worked, but the management at HP was comprised of would-be chumps (chimps?) that had difficulty in picking their arse without assistance.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555702)

So now that you have used both, if you could go back in time, would you pay $499 (original list price I believe) for the Touchpad?

I was questioning the value of my iPad at that price before ever looking at the Touchpad. For the value a tablet, any tablet, brings into my life, I don't think any tablet is worth $499 to me. So the answer is no. But that's with knowledge gained from owning an iPad and seeing what and where I'd use a tablet.

However, I think if the Touchpad had been in the $249-$299 range, I would've paid that. That made $99 a no-brainer.

If I was buying my first tablet and didn't know how I would use it, I admit that my inclination would've been towards the iPad. It's the big name, the leader of the pack. So the Touchpad would have to be priced lower to capture my interest, that's all there is to say. If the iPad and the Touchpad were both $499, I'd buy the iPad. But having bought both, having used both, as I said my Touchpad is used regularly and my iPad is soon to be sold to my cousin.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (2)

Boltronics (180064) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555710)

*Not* the parent of your post here either, but...

Yeah, I would have. I got one from the fire sale, and the timing was perfect. Just days earlier, I was tempted to get an Android Transformer. Then after playing with a few tablets in the store, thought the Acer Iconia was the way to go. Then I thought maybe I should think some more and maybe wait for the ArchOS G9 to see what they turn out like.

I played with a whole bunch of Android tablets for hours, and (being new to Android) I actually found them quite difficult to figure out. For example, I could see so many applications open and running, but it was not obvious how to close any of them! I really expected Android to be easier to use.

So now I've got my TouchPad, and it's just awesome. Just swipe the applications off the screen to close them - it feels so natural and obvious. I don't care much for the official HP Store though - most of my apps come from Preware, and the stuff there is awesome.

The native e-mail program is pretty cool, but I wish it had some OpenPGP support. mplayer is currently being ported - can't wait until that's finished. And Debian runs nicely in a chroot. I'm currently typing this on my TouchPad using the official bluetooth keyboard in a Debian chroot running metacity and LXDE, and browsing Slashdot in Chromium. The keyboard is annoying since it's missing the escape, alt and function keys (and I might look to get a better keyboard replacement at some point so I don't have to deal with stupid mappings) but strange keyboard mappings aside it can actually work as a netbook replacement if you need it to.

So... HP Store, Preware, and all the packages in the Debian repos... plus I hear the Android port is coming along... the TouchPad doesn't really lack apps if you know where to look. :)

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554228)

WebOS is constantly amazing me so much that I became infuriated using my Android phone. I picked up a Palm Pixi unlocked for pretty cheap. I have touchstones for both. The lack of charging cords is a killer app in its own right. As small as the app space is for WebOS, I find myself wanting for very few apps. Being able to use Flash eliminates the need for a TON of apps. Being able to make a web shortcut as an "app" eliminates the need for a ton more (a lot of iPad apps just do this). The thing I find myself really wanting for is a Netflix app. But what with the way Netflix has also been afflicted with the same CEO brain eating disease that HP had, that want may go away. Amazon video services can be streamed through flash. My cloud music plays through flash in the browser. Fantastic PDF reader. Superb email client. iPad? Who needs it!

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

Xurixis (988835) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555222)

You need to do yourself a favor and shell out $7 for Kalemsoft Media Player on the HP app store. It will not only give your Touchpad the VLC-esque ability to play any video format you load on it, but there is a desktop client that dynamically re-encodes your local media files and streams them to the TP remotely. I've got a Backblaze box with 720p videos on it and I can watch them anywhere that there's wifi, its basically like having your own private netflix service without any content limitations. As long as you have ~2mb upload on your home internet connection there are no pauses for buffering, even at max quality.

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555256)

Can I have that old iPad of yours? I'd be happy to pay shipping if necessary, and hey better than it just sitting there gathering dust, right?

Re:Touchpad vs. iPad (1)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555726)

Can I have that old iPad of yours? I'd be happy to pay shipping if necessary, and hey better than it just sitting there gathering dust, right?

Already sold to my cousin. But thanks for the offer. :)

Do you guys really not understand EPP? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553512)

*Sigh* Do you people really not understand what EPP is? It isn't just limited to HP employees. It's available to nearly any company/organization that has a corporate account. It allows employees of a company to make discounted purchases from another company (my organization has EPP programs in place with Sony, Dell, Apple, and about a dozen other companies). Again, this isn't just limited to HP employees. The fact that so many so-called "news" sites out there aren't aware of this basic piece of knowledge is simply astounding.

Bad dog food doesn't inspire confidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37553902)

Let's get this straight. Their own employees managed to slashdot their own servers? That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their plans to go to a mainly service-based business, does it?

Hello... basic economics? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#37553964)

I don't know why, but I am really surprised how many comments there are here along the line of "HP really should start making them again and sell them for $99 - they'd certainly be successful!". How can anyone not be aware the devices cost substantially more than that to produce?

I bet Porsche would sell a lot more cars too - if they'd price them at $1000.

Re:Hello... basic economics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554104)

To make the basic economics arguement, you would have to stay more true in your math if you don't want to look ridiculous.

The Porsche (Boxster even, not 911) would be more around $25-35k, not $1k.

Re:Hello... basic economics? (0)

gknoy (899301) | more than 3 years ago | (#37554988)

That's an interesting question, though -- how much DOES a performance car like that take to develop, and how's that work out for the average unit cost? Is their production process significantly more expensive than most other cars? (E.g., hand built, or something?) What is it that makes a Porsche (or BMW, etc) cost more than a Toyota or the like, other than that's what people will pay?

Re:Hello... basic economics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37554502)

Loss leader.

Re:Hello... basic economics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37555268)

Because the $99 business model is predicated on HP getting their cut elsewhere - namely, the margin they take from their own branded App Store.

Frankly, $299 would have been a better price, a mere $50 loss per unit, which they would have made up with the sale of about 20 apps from the app store per unit sold. Throw in the music mart and movies that they were working on as well, and you've got a gravy train. HP management fucked the pooch on this one.

Proof of pad problematic pricing (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555038)

These are supposed to be utility devices that sit between your phone and laptop/PC. Who wants to pay laptop prices for a tool (that you might not use much) besides Apple zealots? Rather than pimping out $500 pads with more features, they need to figure out how to par the manufacturing demands down to $99-$149 dollar devices and let the consumers get a taste for them. That obviously makes them more appealing to the general public.

Re:Proof of pad problematic pricing (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#37555570)

If they had done that two years ago, sure. At this point, Amazon has already figured out how to hit that price point, so HP has no prayer of competing unless they are willing to sell at a loss to undercut Amazon. HP took too long to get its act together, and now it's simply too late to fix things. The wedding party arrived and the doors were closed while they were out getting oil for their lanterns.

Now that Amazon is in the game, about the only two things HP can realistically do with WebOS that might hope to make money are:

  • Sell it as a replacement OS for Android tablets with some easy-to-use installer.
  • Convince Android tablet manufacturers to switch.

Out to make BILLIONS (or less) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37555498)

I bet 95% of the people who are buying them as HP employees are only doing to in order to sell them on ebay in an attempt to make money off them. Which generally I am ok with, who am I to stop someone from making money. I do have an issue with that when there are still normal customers who have not received something they ordered (month(s)?) ago.

HP should bring back the Touchpad as version 2 (1)

pkphilip (6861) | more than 3 years ago | (#37556216)

At a higher price. They should see the Touchpad version 1 as the promotional for the second version of the Touchpad. There are so many people who have purchased Touchpads now that there is now a market for WebOS apps unlike earlier.. and also there are enough people who have used Touchpads to know that HP can make a very decent tablet.

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