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Australia's National Broadband Network Officially Open For Business

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the and-you-thought-america-had-high-prices dept.

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sydneyhype writes "The Australian National Broadband Network is open for business. The 14,000 residents on the first roll-out will be able to order an NBN service (current ISP contract permitting). Internode, Exetel, and iiNet have released their commercial pricing. iiNet has undercut Internode with prices starting at $49.95 per month for 12Mbps down and 1Mbps up with 20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak."

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Asia in general costs a lot (1)

tech4 (2467692) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575214)

It's only like Japan where you can get fast connections cheaply. In rest of the Asia connections cost just as much, if even you even can get faster than 8/1 at all. Only Europe has it good, and it's just some countries too. I know, I live in both Europe and Asia.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575234)

> It's only like Japan where you can get fast connections cheaply.

They have it pretty good in South Korea too. The OECD had them pegged as spending about 1/3 less on the average broadband bill than the United States.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575246)

Hmm Australia moved to Asia... Interesting!

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575258)

Hmm Australia moved to Asia... Interesting!

Haven't looked at a map recently have you.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575316)

Err, Australia is about as much in Asia as the Eastern US is in Europe.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575352)

Err, Australia is about as much in Asia as the Eastern US is in Europe.

Err. you really haven't had a look at a map recently. The continent of Australia is geographically located where?

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

omni123 (1622083) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575456)

Err. you really haven't had a look at a map recently. The continent of Australia is geographically located where?

Australia is technically not in Asia... Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] although not the best source agrees. Australasia is the region you're looking at that includes PNG, NZ and Australia.

You can obviously see the confusion, though. I don't know how long the separation between Asia and Australasia has existed but it has been for at least as long as I can remember (but I'm young).

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575652)

So you haven't looked at a map then.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576026)

You can obviously see the confusion, though. I don't know how long the separation between Asia and Australasia has existed

It helps if you understand that "Australasia" means "South of Asia". (Australia means Southern Land. (And Austria means Eastern land, just to confuse things.))

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575472)

Muahah.

Australia was it's own continent last time I looked? ..... Yep, still not Asia.

Sometimes people decide to put us in there for grouping countries, but that's just for convenience. Even then, Oceania is a more accurate grouping.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575588)

I have looked at a map. Australia is in Oceania.

Germany, France, China, Russia, India, Australia, and many more countries are all in Eurasia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia

My son was born in Australia, learned to walk in the Middle East, mother from China, and father a from Scandinavia. We are all Eurasians.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

WillKemp (1338605) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575646)

Why bother with the "eur" bit of "eurasia"? europe's just the arse end of asia anyway.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575694)

I's the other way around... Asia is where all the crap comes out... :)

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

WillKemp (1338605) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576512)

Why bother with the "eur" in "eurasia"? Europe's just the arse end of Asia anyway.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575688)

Err, Australia is about as much in Asia as the Eastern US is in Europe.

Err. you really haven't had a look at a map recently. The continent of Australia is geographically located where?

South of Asia (East-Asia, if you want to be more precise).

Your point being?

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575716)

The continent of Australia is geographically located where?

You said it yourself, the continent of Australia, which is about as far from Asia as the Eastern US is from Europe.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575328)

Australiasia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australiasia

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

BobTheWise (2474500) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575382)

Well that's just nitpicking, as it's basically one country. It pretty much belongs to Asia geographically. It would be much easier for everyone if we just divided the world to the three big ones - US, Europe and Asia.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575412)

Well that's just nitpicking, as it's basically one country

Indeed, Australia is closer to Papua New Guinea, East Timor and Indonesia then it's closest Australasian nation, New Zealand if we want to get nit-picky.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575508)

Well that's just nitpicking, as it's basically one country. It pretty much belongs to Asia geographically. It would be much easier for everyone if we just divided the world to the three big ones - US, Europe and Asia.

What about Africa?

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575616)

Flemington is in Africa.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575558)

Wow. I'm not sure if that's just American arrogance at it's finest, or if you really don't know your geography very well. At the very least, you missed South America and Africa.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575734)

And everyone always forgets Antarctica!

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575854)

I know it's my favourite continent. The indigenous lifeforms there are by far the nicest & most worth saving on this 3rd rock from the arse end of nowhere :).

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575844)

Still trying to disenfranchise a billion+ blacks I see. You yanks, tsk tsk...;-p

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575256)

The low end prices don't tell much of the story with the NBN. 12/1 is a speed designed to match local low-end ADSL connections, and isn't any real difference to what my mother's been paying for ADSL2+ with 40GB (which comes out to about 10/1 due to her distance from the exchange)

$70ish for 100mbit down/40mbit up though, yeah, that's getting a bit more like it.

Australia's internet prices have been on a constant huge downswing for ten years now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see perfectly usable 100/40 plans for $30ish within a couple of years.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575292)

Yeah, but what do they charge for going over the cap? 40gb total per month is not that much, especially when you consider that it's split between peak and non-peak.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575358)

They don't charge you extra, they just throttle your speed down. This is what they do now on xDSL and cable connections, and so it will be on the NBN as well.

Having said that, if you are hitting your cap regularly, just pay a few bucks extra and upgrade to the next highest plan. All the big ISPs are offering plans up to 1000 GB (1 TB) per month, which is enough for almost any conceivable domestic (non-business) need. At the moment I'm only on a 30 GB plan because that's all I use. The next plan up only costs another 10 bucks a month and gives me 200 GB - a large jump for not much money, and I won't hesitate to upgrade if I need to.

The other thing you have to factor in is that Australian ISPs also typically have a lot of value-adds, including large file mirrors and access to various other Internet services that are 'unmetered' (i.e. data from which is not counted against your cap). For instance one ISP might offer unmetered streaming TV services, unmetered iTunes etc. Another might give you unmetered access to file mirrors such as Major Geeks, Tucows, Linux repositories, gaming servers etc. These are incredibly useful: about 25-30% of my typical usage per month ends up in the "unmetered" bucket and for some people it's higher.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

Skal Tura (595728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576612)

Still sucks. The price is high, the caps are low, the speed is low.
I'm paying 39.90€ a month for 24/1 unlimited. Practically get about 1.8M/s down and 90k/s up.
and that is considered slightly on the expensive side.

40Gb cap i would blow through really fast, then again i'm a business owner.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575306)

The low end prices don't tell much of the story with the NBN.

If that's the low-end, it is telling. I can get those kinds of prices here from our greedy dualopolies, without caps (USD ~= AUD these days), and that's the undercutting provider.

I hear all the prices in Australia have gone through the roof in the last decade - perhaps it's relative?

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575398)

Dual US/Aussie citizen here who splits their time between both countries. Australia IS more expensive than the US for almost everything (except, interestingly, cellphones and cellphone plans - Australia kicks the US' ass on this front in terms of selection and price). But clothes, cars, food, rent and housing, entertainment ... everything else is considerably more expensive in Australia (1.5x for food and electronics, about 2x for everything else)

Including the Internet. It's one of the curses of being a 'terminating destination' (i.e. cables don't really go ~through~ Australia to get to anywhere else, so they have to be purpose-built and laid under 10,000 miles of ocean to serve a total population smaller than some single American cities). Not to mention that 90% of our traffic has to be pulled all the way from the US/Europe because we are an English-speaking country located distantly from the main sources of English language content. (This is a problem that doesn't affect other 'language isolate' countries such as Japan and Korea - most of their traffic is domestic and hence much cheaper).

It doesn't matter though. Prices here are higher but wages are higher. I find it balances out about the same in the end ... I don't feel like I have less disposable income in Australia than I do in the US. Plus you make savings in other areas (healthcare is free or very cheap etc.)

(* PS: Also keep in mind that the NBN plans quoted generally include a home telephone service with free or cheap national calls.)

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

tech4 (2467692) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575428)

It doesn't matter though. Prices here are higher but wages are higher. I find it balances out about the same in the end ... I don't feel like I have less disposable income in Australia than I do in the US. Plus you make savings in other areas (healthcare is free or very cheap etc.)

This is the thing people forget when they just compare prices to cheaper countries. It's the same in Europe too. Products prices are higher, as are all costs and wages. This means it costs more to companies too, so they have to charge more in the prices too. Also, In Europe we have stuff like warranties in products that also take the price higher.

The good thing is that both Australians and Europeans win on this when they go travel to US or the cheaper Asian countries. Hell, in some Asian countries you can live like a king with just the normal western salary, but living isn't suddenly cheaper to the locals.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575790)

Remember we're not talking $US, rather $AUS - and despite the exchange rate between the two, the difference matters where you earn it. Earnings in .au are a whole load higher than the US - US average wage is about the same as our minimum wage.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575840)

I don't think so. You'd have to have a minimum wage upwards of $18US an hour for that to be true.

There's not an economy on earth that could sustain that.

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (1)

Rob from RPI (4309) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576096)

I'll let you chew on your own foot for a while, before you pull it out of your mouth..

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575552)

Have you been to South Korea and Hong Kong? or do tyo

Re:Asia in general costs a lot (2)

eransom (2473902) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575650)

I am an American living in South Korea. My cable internet (60 Mbits down / 5 up), cable TV (75 channels), and broadband phone are included in a single package that costs 21,000 Won a month. This is roughly $19. I am not even in Seoul. Your statement is wrong.

First post!!! (1)

therufus (677843) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575218)

Well, it would have been. I don't have this new NBN thingy yet...

We finally got the internet! (1)

Sigvatr (1207234) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575252)

I say, mates, this is bloody impressive.

Re:We finally got the internet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575484)

England finally got the internet? An Aussie would have said "G'dee meate! We feenally got the eenterneet!"

Re:We finally got the internet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575624)

England finally got the internet? An Aussie would have said "G'dee meate! We feenally got the eenterneet!"

England finally got the internet? An Aussie would have said "G'dee meate! We feenally got the eenterneet!"

Ahhh, no we wouldn't.

Re:We finally got the internet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37576626)

I don't think they would have said anything at all. Just glued eyes to monitor. Joined the "Your Virtual Reality World" club.

Down-under? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575260)

What's this on-peak, off-peak stuff? I speak American, please translate.

Re:Down-under? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575636)

during the day when everyone wants to use the internet is on peak and in the middle of the night when it's all free is off peak.

iinet and internode (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575270)

iiNet has undercut Internode with prices starting at $49.95 per month for 12Mbps down and 1Mbps up with 20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak."

When comparing iinet to Internode, one has to remember that Internode doesn't do this on peak/off peak thingy. On peak is the download limit you have between 8 AM and 12 Midnight, off peak is the download limit between 12 Midnight and 8 AM. With Internode you get 40 GB whatever time of the day it is.

However, having been a happy customer of both iinet's and Internode's ADSL offerings, both are great ISP's you wont be unhappy with. I'm waiting for Telstra and Optus to release their NBN pricing, that should be hillarious.

Re:iinet and internode (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575638)

iiNet has undercut Internode with prices starting at $49.95 per month for 12Mbps down and 1Mbps up with 20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak."

When comparing iinet to Internode,

Of interest is that this story linked is out of date. Pricing for both has changed since the 19th.

Re:iinet and internode (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576276)

With Internode you get 40 GB whatever time of the day it is.

That's potentially not even one full-sized PlayStation 3 game. PS3 games come on Blu-ray Disc, and dual-layer discs can be up to 50 GB.

Good value! (1)

tconnors (91126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575272)

Good value! With Internode, on copper ADSL2+ (24 down, 1.5 up), 150GB monthly quota, all for... $50!

I'll let the early adopters adopt this one. (on the other hand, those poor sods that hadn't heard that you didn't need to use Telstra would probably consider this a good deal).

Re:Good value! (1)

Zouden (232738) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575416)

The basic plan isn't very compelling, but for $65/month you get 200GB (100/100) and 25mbit/5mbit. That's definitely better than ADSL, for only $15 more.

Re:Good value! (4, Interesting)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575898)

The basic plan isn't very compelling, but for $65/month you get 200GB (100/100) and 25mbit/5mbit. That's definitely better than ADSL, for only $15 more.

Meanwhile in Europe im getting 25mbit/5mbit for $15, no caps.

Re:Good value! (1)

Zouden (232738) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575956)

Where in Europe? Even in the Netherlands you can't get a connection for that price.

Re:Good value! (3, Interesting)

timbo234 (833667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576036)

In Germany we're getting 100Mbit down 6mbit up and truly unlimited bandwidth on fibre for 20 Euro a month. That's a normal residential connection with Kabel Deutschland.

The NBN is an improvement but Australia is still a rip-off for internet connections.

Re:Good value! (2)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576326)

Where in Europe? Even in the Netherlands you can't get a connection for that price.

Poland. http://www.aster.pl/internet [aster.pl]
I pay 100zl for TV + internet. TV is 50zl, internet another 50zl
$1 = 3.3 zl
internet = $15
Granted its "only" 20/2 and not 25/5 like in the post above me, but still :)

Re:Good value! (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576394)

Meanwhile in Australia we're getting much better value than the parent said too. I just don't think he's been shopping around. Not $15 though.

Re:Good value! (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576366)

The basic plan isn't very compelling, but for $65/month you get 200GB (100/100) and 25mbit/5mbit. That's definitely better than ADSL, for only $15 more.

Really? TPG does a $49/month and you get 500GB (250/250) and 25mbit/5mbit. Or better still you dump Telstra for your landline and bundle the phone with them and you get $59/month unlimited 25mbit/5mbit and no extra cost monthly line rental to a third party.

I don't see anything even remotely compelling about the pricing which has been announced by any party so far.

Re:Good value! (1)

fryjs (1456943) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575442)

I was initially thinking the the plans were not going to be very good value, but I would happily pay $99 a month for 100 down, 40 up and 1TB of bandwidth, which is the iinet top tier plan. I'll be signing up when it is available in Sydney.

Re:Good value! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575540)

Man, now even Australia is ahead of us Americans in terms of cheap bandwidth...

Re:Good value! (1)

daBass (56811) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575452)

Plus $30 line rental? For the $80 you'd get the 25/5, double the quota and node phone. Not to mention a more reliable connection with lower latency.

That is good value if you ask me!

Not to mention you are in the .1% of the population that actually gets those speeds on ADSL...

Re:Good value! (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575474)

Hell yes. You pay $59.95 with Internode now for only 30 GB plus home phone service, all on a rusty old copper phone line that (for me) syncs at 6 Mbps on a good day. For the same price on the NBN I could have 4 times the speed, much better reliability and a higher download quota.

Sure if you are one of the 0.1% of the population who live close enough to the exchange to get 24 Mbit out of ADSL2+, it's not so compelling. But the majority of people are on long and unreliable lines. Or even worse, RIMs or pair gain systems. NBN is a huge boon to the quality of Australian connectivity, both in the large cities and the small towns.

Will be signing up in a flash when it's available (which will be a few years yet in this part of the world, unfortunately, although the area just 5 km north of me is one of the second release sites getting it next year - lucky sods!)

Re:Good value! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575710)

... only that 24down lasts only for the first 500 meters, your name is Tony Abbot by chance????

Well strike me dead cobbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575274)

$49.95 for only 12Mbits with a 40Gb total cap?

Now that is enough to send me down to the pub for a tinny or two while I watch the rugger.

That is a ******y rip off.

 

Re:Well strike me dead cobbers (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575424)

No, the $1000+ per month I have to pay to get 6M/6M is the rip off.
Bring on the NBN.

Re:Well strike me dead cobbers (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575784)

Looking at the iiNet site you can get 100GB+100GB at 12mbps on the NBN for $60 per month. If you compare that to naked ADSL, you would have to pay $70 for the cheapest plan and you only get half as much quota plus "ADSL2+ speeds" instead of 12mbps (and unlike ADSL2+, the NBN speeds dont drop off as you get further from the exchange)

If you are in a location without an iiNet DSLAM and need to use Telstra DSLAMS (including all those people stuck on "pair gain") the value of NBN vs ADSL is even better.

come on down, the price is right! (1)

TheRealQuestor (1750940) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575288)

but the cap is 40gigs [20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak]? at those speeds you could use up your whole allotment in like 2 days, and I hate to see what the overages costs.

Re:come on down, the price is right! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575324)

Overage costs are rare in Australia. Typically your connection speed will be shaped to anywhere from 64k-512k depending on your ISP and plan.

Re:come on down, the price is right! (2)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575362)

but the cap is 40gigs [20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak]? at those speeds you could use up your whole allotment in like 2 days, and I hate to see what the overages costs.

That's the starting cap, iinet and internode have plans that go up to 1 TB limits.

Also, no overage charges, they shape your speed down to 128 or 256 Kb/s if you go over.

BTW, 2 days is a bit rich, there's a big difference between theoretical speeds and real world speeds. Besides this, there are larger caps available so you if you dont download 400 GB a month, you dont have to pay for that much.

Re:come on down, the price is right! (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575906)

but the cap is 40gigs [20gb on-peak and 20gb off-peak]? at those speeds you could use up your whole allotment in like 2 days, and I hate to see what the overages costs.

That's the starting cap, iinet and internode have plans that go up to 1 TB limits.

Also, no overage charges, they shape your speed down to 128 or 256 Kb/s if you go over./quote>

1 why cap at all?
2 shaping to 256kbit? you realize we got FREE HSPA+/LTE 256kbit internet in Europe (Poland)?

So? (1)

WinstonWolfIT (1550079) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575300)

This is newsworthy how? Does an ISP rollout in California, which has ******************DOUBLE******************* the population, get a /. post?

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575322)

Close. This is not an ISP, this is a whole new infrastructure.
Getting rid of copper, moving to fiber.
Getting rid of analogue telephone infrastructure, going to digital VoIP services.
This is not just a single city, this is a redeployment in the whole country.

Re:So? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575448)

It's also been pending since 1996 when Telstra were thinking about doing it before they turned into a half-government/half-private monster that decided to do as little as possible with their monopoly and just watch the money roll in.
We've been waiting for fifteen years and now it's starting. That makes it news.

Re:So? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575330)

What is the realistic probability that a new ISP will roll out any type of broadband in California now, that isn't simply reselling the medium of one of the incumbents? That's right: zero.

Guess what? Even if we got the full Free Press et al version of so-called network neutrality, it STILL wouldn't change that state of affairs, because a few giant corps own all the wires. IIRC one of the differences with this new Aussie broadband plan is that it includes public buyback of the physical medium... so in Australia they will have TRUE network neutrality.

Re:So? (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575378)

This is newsworthy how? Does an ISP rollout in California, which has ******************DOUBLE******************* the population, get a /. post?

First off, NBNco is not an ISP, it's a wholesale provider.

Secondly when the state of California rolls out a fibre network that creates a competitive environment for multiple ISP's to provide high speed internet state wide

Thirdly, when the state of California becomes as geographically large as the continental US and only then, do you get a /. post.

But seeing as the state of California is in worse debt then the rest of the US and US telco's would rather fight like feudal lords over local monopolies and dont want a competitive fibre environment that wont be happening any time soon.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575770)

This, so this. This is absolutely huge news for Australia.
They are getting to the point where the UK was with ISPs not too long ago there when BT was forced to open up.
Now we have an ungodly amount of ISPs all fighting for popularity, it worked so well. BT actually care a little bit more about customer satisfaction now.
In fact, right now I am jealous since their plans seem even better than the plans we have in the UK for coverage. All our plans are is: 1) OLYMPICS LOL, 2) iunno, give that farm some aluminium or something

A country that has suffered pretty lax internet service for so long is finally getting a national grid built up and running for business.
Think of it as the brand new highway for cars. It will change the business landscape so much when completed.

I'd love to see the US do this as well, they suffer so much because of the "multopoly" mess going on there.
And Canada too I hear.

Re:So? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575392)

It's the start of the $36 billion national network of fibre to the home with speeds of 100Mb/s on rollout and gigabit coming shortly.
The summary may have neglected that.

Re:So? (5, Insightful)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575420)

This is a $40 billion+ project to rip out the 100-year old existing copper POTS network and replace it with a new, independently operated layer 2 FTTH network (upon which dozens of competing ISPs will be able to offer layer 3 services to the end user). Nationwide - from the large cities to small towns in the middle of nowhere (every town with >1000 people will get fibre, smaller hamlets will get some form of 4G or WiMax fixed wireless). There will then be dozens of ISPs operating layer 3 services on this network to the end user.

That is much more significant than a new ISP.

I know where I will be for awhile... (0)

toxickitty (1758282) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575356)

In rural Australia there is no NBN for you. Enjoy your congestion, I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of the exchanges in Australia have backhaul problems it's pretty appalling. NBN change it? I hope so but I am not exactly expecting a positive result.

Re:I know where I will be for awhile... (3, Informative)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575454)

The list of small towns which are being FTTH'd is pretty impressive though. There are places on there with populations as low as 800.

That said, the NBN outback and deep rural strategy isn't focused on exchanges and ADSL technology - it's focussed on wireless for rural and satellite for really remote places. They've a pretty good track record so far with sensible deployment decisions, and a point-to-point wireless technology in uncrowded spectrum would probably work out.

Re:I know where I will be for awhile... (2)

baileydau (1037622) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575462)

Sorry, what are you talking about??

The N in NBN is for NATIONAL. The plan is for 93% fibre, 4% wireless 3% satellite with at least 12/1 speeds available on all mediums. The fibre is to go down to towns of 1,000 premises, sometimes smaller if the fibre is going through town anyway. Those on wireless will basically be those currently on the outer edges of ADSL or beyond. Those on satellite will be truly rural.

The NBN are planning plenty of backhaul to their POIs. Congestion isn't going to be an issue within the NBN. Your ISP (now known as RSP), well that *could* be a different story, especially if you go with one of the cheep and cheerful providers.

I want it NOW! (3, Interesting)

ignavus (213578) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575514)

I so want the NBN service now. At the next election, there is likely to be a change of government and the current opposition claim that they will cut back the scope of the NBN project (like only provide wifi and/or fibre to the neighbourhood instead of providing fibre to the home).

I want the NBN to do my town before the next election (we are on the list, but it could take years for them to get to us).

Re:I want it NOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575680)

I like the comment by, iirc, Peter Costello (leader of the opposition) that fibre was not future proof but his plans for WiMax rollout was...

Re:I want it NOW! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575902)

As a customer of an ISP in Australia I want the NBN service for 100MB download speeds @ $70/mth as soon as possible.

As a taxpayer and citizen of Australia I want the $40 billion dollar waste of money (and way to appease country based members of parliament) shutdown and the money handed back to taxpayers.

Overpriced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575718)

I am near the NBN rollout - but I get 100Gb (no peak) a month for $69 - and I sync at 22mbps down, 1.1mbps up on ADSL2. So why would I?

20 gigs? (3, Interesting)

zyzko (6739) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575722)

20 gigs? For that price? You gotta be kidding me - I get 20 gigs easily in a week just from work (yeah, when you can mount a .iso from your computer to install in vmware and the speed is about equal to actually first upload the image to storage server you get lazy...) and those speeds - it is now 2011, not 2000 when 12/1 Mbps was hot.

Here 100/10, 19,90 euros / month. No caps. Gasoline however costs a crapton and half a year it is freezing and dark but at least connectivity is good and cheap.

Re:20 gigs? (1)

philmarcracken (1412453) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575798)

Got a spare room cause i just packed a bag. Cold weather sounds lovely to me.

Re:20 gigs?First (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575848)

19$ for 100/100 mbps uncapped where i live, not even cold. All hail FTTB. (with cat5 last mile)

Re:20 gigs? (1)

SpazmodeusG (1334705) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575942)

It's ~AU$80 for the 100/10 plan. They just listed the slowest and most limited plan in the article for some reason. And paying about 3 times more for things is unfortunately common in Australia.

$20 a kilo for bannanas anyone?

Re:20 gigs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37576332)

Lol.. try Latvia - one of the poorest countries in the EU. Here we can get 100/100 for $30 per month, no data limit.
They really need to start talking about third-rate countries as well as third-world ones.

Scarcity Myth = Slow Speeds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575744)

Unfortunately NBNCo have successfully propagated a scarcity myth in both speed and data, so 50% will be connecting at 12/1Mbps (page 118 of NBNCo Corporate Plan [nbnco.com.au] ). The government have been promoting 1000/400Mbps (which the installed hardware is capable of), but those plans aren't expected to appear until 2026, and eHealth, but HD Video conferencing won't work on a 1Mbps upload.

Telstra have just launched an LTE network and the other mobile carriers will also launch LTE networks shortly for the low-end user these networks will be $10-$20/month cheaper than the NBN. So much so that NBNCo have been trying to restrain the mobile operators from competing. If the wireless operators can take more than the 13% that NBNCo are predicting (page 116) then NBNCo will be in serious trouble and prices will rise.

In summary, Australia is building a world class fibre to the premises network, but it is going to be hamstrung by speed tiers which deliver little extra money to NBNCo (~$4/month) and reduce NBNCo's income from data.

Issue of Redundancy... (1)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 2 years ago | (#37575904)

Was this worth ripping out copper?

Anyone have any say from the perspective of redundancy?

Re:Issue of Redundancy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575916)

Considering Fibre is more reliable and the copper network isn't redundant. Whats your point?

The right general direction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37575984)

A step in the right direction in terms of services but the bandwidth cap is a bit much for a hefty price.

No doubt a little competition can alleviate these minor issues.

One day Australia will be like other countries where you can get 20mb (Usually not) unlimited broadband for £10 or less...

Now, for the real Australian broadband test; how much would it cost to hire a mail pigeon to deliver a 32mb stick and how quickly will that transfer.

Suppose you can deliver 1tb 2.5" drives with a pigeon, but can it fly over the Southern Ocean?! No? oh gee well that's $50 for 20gb mate.

TP in AU? (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576054)

So my "move to Canada" fund needs to be adjusted to "move to Australia". Do they have trailer parks in Australia?

Re:TP in AU? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37576446)

Why would you want to do that? Move to Eastern Europe - it's more fun and much cheaper.

Re:TP in AU? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37576640)

Watch Home&Away, the whole cast lives in a trailor park.

Re:TP in AU? (1)

Esquilax (947371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576660)

You can live in a trailer park but you have to own a Holden Commodore.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37576072)

I'm already on 24 Mbit/s down, no on- of offpeak limits for 60 bucks a month. And I'm not in a state capital.

Does the B stand for Bullshit or is this just an initial rolling out which will aim at getting all the suckers?

Australia beats my connection / price on.. (1)

Fireking300 (1852630) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576246)

Australia beats my connection / price on everything except Data caps. I currently have Timewarner Wideband Internet in Dallas, Texas. I currently have 50 Mbps Down and 5 Mbps Up as my selected tier package. Which costs $99.99(USD) a month. I see that it would cost a Australian with iiNet only $99.95($99.95 Australian Dollars = 97.0015 US dollars) for Twice the speed with a 1 TB Cap. They have me beat on pricepoint. But Timewarner has no Data caps in my area.

Censorship? (1)

xmorg (718633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37576348)

IS there a hidden price tag?

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