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BerliOS Software Repository Will Close At Year's End

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the that's-too-bad dept.

Software 62

An anonymous reader writes with some sad news from Germany, as posted on the BerliOS front page, and sent by email to developers as well. An excerpt: "As an European, non-proprietary project BerliOS pursued the goal to support the various open-source players and provide a neutral mediator function. In 2011 over 4710 projects have been hosted on BerliOS, with 50,000 registered users and over 2.6 million file downloads each month. We are proud that with BerliOS we have brought the idea of an OSS repository to Europe. Meanwhile, the concept has prevailed and there are many good alternatives. Unfortunately, as a research institute Fraunhofer FOKUS has only few opportunities to operate a repository like BerliOS. Such a project will only work with a follow-up financing, or with sponsors or partners taking over the repository. In the field of OSS this is a difficult undertaking. In a recent survey the community indicated some support in funds and manpower which we would like to thank you for. Unfortunately, the result is not enough to put the project on a sustainable financial basis. In addition the search for sponsors or partners was unsuccessful. ... As a developer, you should export your BerliOS project into another repository." BerliOS is slated to close on December 31st.

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And... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37587966)

And nothing of value was lost.

Re:And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37593186)

And nothing of value was lost.

Get ready Sourceforge (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#37587980)

I know the SF overlords are listening. I bet a lot of people will want to migrate their projects from berlios to another site...

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (2)

Yuioup (452151) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588022)

You mean "get ready Github ..."

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588070)

I hope it becomes “get ready Gitorious...” instead

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588148)

Or better yet: "get ready Bitbucket..."

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588034)

Well, duh, that would be obvious, since they own Slashdot as well.

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588050)

Several projects actually migrated from Sourceforge to BerliOS after Sourceforge was forced to make developers indicate whether their project might contain code not suitable for export to countries such as Iran according to US foreign policy rules (and developers moreover have to register with some US department if they indicate that their project does contain such code and want to have it hosted on Sourceforge).

Re:Get ready Sourceforge (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37590634)

"suitable for export to countries such as Iran according to US foreign policy rules"

I don't think Britain falls under the description, "such as Iran". Any export is controlled by US foreign policy rules, silly.

BIS license exception TSU (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37591680)

code not suitable for export to countries such as Iran according to US foreign policy rules

I don't think Britain falls under the description, "such as Iran". Any export is controlled by US foreign policy rules, silly.

I think "countries such as Iran" alluded to license exception TSU [doc.gov] . This exception applies to exports of publicly available cryptographic source code (or binaries built from such source code) and has two caveats. First, it applies only to countries other than Country Group E:1 (Cuba, Iran, DPRK, etc.), which could be construed as requiring IP address geolocation. Second, the publisher has to advertise each project to the U.S. government [doc.gov] . Some people may have objected to this notification requirement.

Already on it (3, Informative)

AI0867 (868277) | more than 2 years ago | (#37587990)

I started researching tools and writing scripts to split up a repository and move to github yesterday.
If you have a complicated non-standard svn layout, you should look into the svn2git on gitorious [gitorious.org] (there are many tools with that name).

Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37587994)

I guess granola-eating doesn't pay the bills after all.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37589340)

Only a reactionary media supplicant would think that a proper description of the issues; turn off the angry men of right wing talk radio and go out and get some sun shine, you'll fee better.

Orphaned projects' code to perish? (4, Insightful)

zapyon (575974) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588006)

Hi. As someone else mentioned in some German forum, it is probable that all orphaned projects on BerliOS will perish the day BerliOS is taken down for good. - Anyone here who could offer a full mirror of the data. Or would Archive.org be an option? zapyon

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588012)

You don't have to sign your name, this is not an email, you know.

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588134)

This struck me as well. There's a big risk here that a lot of software will disappear. Someone should look into compressing the repository and host it somewhere.

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588410)

I just checked archive.org and they currently haven't got any of the pages at the Berlios source code repositories indexed. So I don't think they consider it within their mission and I'm pretty sure they aren't going to do it. At least not if they don't get a nudge. But even if you contact them I think it'll be likely they'll say no, so if it is to be mirrored someone else will probably have to do it. (Personally, I don't have the resources I'm sad to say.)

ibiblio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588898)

This is something for ibiblio , you could contact them perhaps?

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (2)

polymeris (902231) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588284)

What's the main resource drain in such a project? Would deleting (or exporting) the 8000 or so orphaned projects have kept BerliOS afloat in the first place?

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37589588)

What's the main resource drain in such a project? Would deleting (or exporting) the 8000 or so orphaned projects have kept BerliOS afloat in the first place?

Probably not - things like storage, web servers, etc. are pretty easy to maintain in a constant fashion. What scales is answering, "I can't get this to work," sorts of questions and those grow as a function of only the number of active projects.

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 2 years ago | (#37590062)

Wouldn't or a dead project be more likely to have issues leading to, I can't get this to work?

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37590106)

Wouldn't or a dead project be more likely to have issues leading to, I can't get this to work?

I wasn't clear - the issues from the users of the berlios system (the developers who use it for hosting) not the users of the code/projects.

  But you're right - I imagine the admins of any of these systems get inappropriate support requests from end users they have to spend time redirecting as well.

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588988)

Anyone here who could offer a full mirror of the data.

Well, unless someone does something else, we (or maybe the BerliOS guys) could create a torrent of whatever we can get from http://developer.berlios.de/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2056&group_id=2 [berlios.de] for now. Granted, things being a torrent, it will be pretty inaccessible, but at least it will still be "alive" and available somehow until some people figure out what to do with it. Hard to tell whether the former BerliOS staff will still be reachable and have a copy, otherwise...

Or would Archive.org be an option?

I doubt it. They're not preserving all of the web's files. Mirroring version control repositories and mailing lists and all that in full is probably not something they want to do. But you could ask them...

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#37589998)

Is there a berlios to github migration script?

Re:Orphaned projects' code to perish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37592578)

Is there a berlios to github migration script?

It's really a shame that you don't have access to the Internet, which, I'm told, has an assortment of tools designed specifically to search for that type of information.

I hear it's pretty awesome. It's really too bad.

I didn't even know they had financial difficulties (3, Informative)

RR (64484) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588026)

BerliOS definitely has publicity problems. Either that, or the people running it don't have much of a passion for keeping it running, because the first I heard about them having problems was about them deciding to shut it down.

Contrast that to, say, Wikipedia, Blender, or The Document Foundation. Major publicity when they needed money, with progress tallies and everything. Especially Wikipedia.

Re:I didn't even know they had financial difficult (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588162)

Especially Wikipedia.

Yeah, their fundraiser got so much publicity it became memetic.

monday morning's grammar lesson. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588042)

I am not [i]an[/i] European.

I am a European.

An English one at that.

An is reserved for when there is a vowel SOUND not a vowel character (see above).

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (1, Funny)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588204)

Damn, not only a grammar nazi, but someone that considers England to be in Europe! I thought that was a shooting offence here in the UK (or has the EU H&S statute outlawed that now?).

I introduce myself as British or, perhaps, English. To then lump me in as a European (ha, yes, you're correct, my natural instinct is to use "a", not "an") is likely to get you a very stern look, even if *technically* correct.

It's like calling a Mexican or Canadian "American". Technically correct (continent-wise), but they *will* slap you.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588260)

That's absolutely wrong. We are proud of being Americans. Its just that there is a group of people from one of the countries here that doesn't a have a proper name, so they use the continent one.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (1, Offtopic)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588380)

I have a Mexican friend. She will slap anyone who calls her American unless they go to the extreme length of qualifying it as being only the continent first. Even then, she gets pissed off. She's happy for you to call US people American, but because of vast misunderstanding in the common populace she doesn't want to be associated with the word "America" at all. If you ask her, she'll tell you she's Mexican, never American (or even North American). Even if you ask what continent she's on, she'll be likely to explain at copious length that it's only a technicality that she's in a place called North America.

Because that's almost EXACTLY what happens with UK/Europe ("Oh, you're English? I so *love* Europe") we can sympathise. To us, if you went to Europe and the UK, you went to two separate places. Hell, *we* go to Europe. We actually say that we're going to "the continent" when we go there. Technically, yes, our continental grouping is called Europe. Culturally, colloquially and even in terms of news, politics and general conversation, Europe is an entirely different place to us.

I imagine a lot of Canadians feel the same way and I have heard people say things like "You're Canadian? Cool. When I was over in New York..."

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (2)

moonbender (547943) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588712)

Sounds to me like you're describing some serious cultural anxiety there.

And you're deluding yourself about the difference between the UK and continental Europe. The UK isn't so different and the various countries in continental Western Europe aren't as similar as you seem to think. Having been in all of those places, the difference between Germany and the UK is smaller than, e.g., the difference between Germany and Italy or Spain. In either case, the similarities dominate. And the dissimilarities within the countries (e.g. between urban and rural, richest vs poorest 10%) are more significant than the dissimilarities between the countries.

It's obviously not even the same ball park as the difference between Mexico and the US; I mean, that's just ludicrous.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588592)

Ah,but the continent one is our proper name, much to the dismay of much of Latin America.

Brandon

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588640)

For you.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37594064)

We do so have a proper name; we're Yankees, but if you don't like us, you can call us DamnYankees for short -- we like it. Well, half of us like it, anyway, and the other half lost the war, so it doesn't matter what they think.

I'm a Hoosier, a Yankee, and an American -- in precisely that order. And considering that, it doesn't really matter whether "American" refers to the continent or the US -- it's not like you'll find many Hoosiers in Mexico or Canada.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588342)

Damn, not only a grammar nazi, but someone that considers England to be in Europe!

About 2300 years ago, the city of Alexandria was called "Alexandria near Egypt" as it was a Greek city on the Egyptian coast. Perhaps we could talk about "England near Europe" (or "Great Britain/United Kingdom near Europe") in the same vein?

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588616)

Don't worry, we'll continue to just lump you guys in with the yanks. You'll have to fight it out with the Israelis which one of you gets to be the 51st state.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (1)

ploppy (468469) | more than 2 years ago | (#37589086)

Oh wow, a little Englander on slashdot, I thought you'd all be at the Tory conference in Manchester.

I describe myself first as British, secondly as a (proud) European, and lastly and hardly ever as English, for all the negative connotations people like you have given it.

Britain is a European country, it has a proud history of involvement (for the better too) with the other countries in Europe, and it is a European culture.

Re:monday morning's grammar lesson. (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37589312)

Britain is a European country, it has a proud history of involvement (for the better too) with the other countries in Europe and it is a European culture.

Just don't mention the war.

I knew the Founder (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588106)

A lot of the problems related to foundraising were due to the dubious nature of the founder and the understandable reluctance people had with dealing with him. From the Grand Hoover Dam to the Snow Mountain River to the outter steppes of Mongolia to the frosted wastelands of Siberia, you could ask anyway from Ali to Zaza his Phone # and get the same reply, 867-5309.

They must save the Euro first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588212)

No more funds for anything else. Fraunhofer is fundet by the public (some 30%) and state contracts (the rest), so I guess they will take a major blow as Europe will slowly and painfully shut down.

Who's heart's bleeding (1, Insightful)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588242)

Who's heart's bleeding? The Faunhofer Institute, isn't that the bunch of goons that burn government money and then want money for the stuff they come up with? A sense of warmth is not what comes up immediately whenever the name is mentioned.

Re:Who's heart's bleeding (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588758)

Who's heart's bleeding? The Faunhofer Institute, isn't that the bunch of goons that burn government money and then want money for the stuff they come up with?

Applied research demands money and talent that does not come free.

You need a budget of about 1.65 billion euros each year to function at this level.

The Fraunhofer Society earns ca. 70% of its income through contracts with industry or specific government projects. The other 30% of the budget is sourced in the proportion 9:1 from federal and state (Land) government grants and is used to support preparatory research.

Thus the size of the society's budget depends largely on its success in maximizing revenue from commissions. This funding model applies not just to the central society itself but also to the individual institutes. This serves both to drive the realisation of the Fraunhofer Society's strategic direction of becoming a leader in applied research...

The Fraunhofer Society currently operates 60 institutes. The organisation has seven centers in the United States, under the name 'Fraunhofer USA', and three in Asia. In October 2010, Fraunhofer announced that it would open its first research center in South America.

These are Fraunhofer Institutes for:

Algorithms and Scientific Computing -- SCAI
Applied Information Technology -- FIT
Applied and Integrated Security -- AISEC
Applied Optics and Precision Engineering -- IOF
Applied Polymer Research --IAP
Applied Solid State Physics â" IAF
Biomedical Engineering -- IBMT
Building Physics -- IBP
Ceramic Technologies and Systems -- IKTS
Chemical Technology -- ICT
Communication, Information Processing and Ergonomics -- FKIE
Communication Systems -- ESK Computer Architecture and Software Technology -- FIRST
Computer Graphics Research -- IGD
Digital Media Technology -- IDMT
Electron and Plasma Technology -- FEP
e-Government -- Fraunhofer eGovernment Center
Environmental, Safety and Energy Technology -- UMSICHT
Experimental Software Engineering -- IESE
Factory Operation and Automation -- IFF
High Frequency Physics and Radar Techniques -- FHR
High-Speed Dynamics, Ernst-Mach-Institut -- EMI
Industrial Engineering -- IAO
Industrial Mathematics -- ITWM
Optronics, System Technologies and Image Exploitation -- IOSB
Information Center for Regional Planning and Building Construction -- IRB
Integrated Circuits -- IIS
Integrated Systems and Device Technology -- IISB>br>Integrated Publication and Information Systems -- IPSI
Intelligent Analysis and Information Systems -- IAIS
Interfacial Engineering and Biotechnology -- IGB
Laser Technology -- ILT
Machine Tools and Forming Technology -- IWU
Manufacturing Engineering and Applied Materials Research -- IFAM
Manufacturing Engineering and Automation -- IPA
Material and Beam Technology -- IWS
Material Flow and Logistics -- IML
Mechanics of Materials -- IWM
Medical Image Computing -- MEVIS
Microelectronic Circuits and Systems -- IMS
Molecular Biology and Applied Ecology -- IME
Telecommunications, Heinrich-Hertz-Institut -- HHI
Non-Destructive Testing -- IZFP
Optronics, System Technologies and Image Exploitation -- IOSB
Open Communication Systems -- FOKUS
Patent Center for German Research -- PST
Photonic Microsystems -- IPMS
Physical Measurement Techniques -- IPM
Process Engineering and Packaging -- IVV
Production Systems and Design Technology -- IPK
Production Technology -- IPT
Reliability and Microintegration -- IZM
Secure Information Technology -- SIT
Silicate Research -- ISC
Silicon Technology -- ISIT
Smart Systems Integration by using Micro and Nano Technologies -- ENAS
Software and Systems Technology -- ISST
Solar Energy Systems -- ISE
Structural Durability and System Reliability -- LBF
Systems and Innovation Research -- ISI
Technological Trend Analysis -- INT
Technology Development Group -- TEG
Surface Engineering and Thin Films -- IST
Toxicology and Experimental Medicine -- ITEM
Transport and Infrastructure Systems -- IVI
Wind Energy and Energy System Technology -- IWES
Wood Research, Wilhelm-Klauditz-Institut -- WKI

Fraunhofer Society [wikipedia.org]

Re:Who's heart's bleeding (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 2 years ago | (#37589794)

Who's heart's bleeding? The Faunhofer Institute, isn't that the bunch of goons that burn government money and then want money for the stuff they come up with?

Applied research demands money and talent that does not come free.

You need a budget of about 1.65 billion euros each year to function at this level.

The Fraunhofer Society earns ca. 70% of its income through contracts with industry or specific government projects. The other 30% of the budget is sourced in the proportion 9:1 from federal and state (Land) government grants and is used to support preparatory research.

Thus the size of the society's budget depends largely on its success in maximizing revenue from commissions.

I can read Wikipedia, thank you. My take is that the institute should cooperate more with the free software initiatives. Most likely they use free software to their advantage. It would have been just fair if they wouldn't have insisted on monetising their patents over the free community. I'm fine with paying for MP3 license through a Linux distro or device that makes money from me -i.E. Android, sat receiver, paid distro, distro charging me for support, etc... But the way Faunhofer behaved hurt the free software adaptation.

If they are such hot shots in financing 1.7 GEUR then they should avoid confusion and waive state funding altogether. Also, it is an educated guess that they didn't get any money from private Linux users and the sadness of their behaviour.

Re:Who's heart's bleeding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37594614)

I find it degrading whenever I hear that progress and science takes money. No, the equipment does. The talent is talented for a reason and that's called passion. I bet you the best talents would be exercising their science if they got free hands even without pay, or I know a bunch of DIY people who would have a lot better opportunities with open hackerlabs instead of closed science institutes. I actually have my doubt that putting up money as a reward has any positive impact on the raw material of scientists and how they allocate their time.

Re:Who's heart's bleeding (1)

Mars Saxman (1745) | more than 2 years ago | (#37591210)

All I know about the name "Fraunhofer" is that they are the assholes with the MP3 patents who tried to shut down all the open-source players and force the commercial ones to pay ransom. Learning that the "BerliOS" project is associated with them makes me less sympathetic, not more.

Freenet can host your open source projects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37588246)

An ideal storage solution for open source projects is the distributed cloud storage of the Freenet [freenetproject.org] project.

Re:Freenet can host your open source projects (1)

polymeris (902231) | more than 2 years ago | (#37588328)

Problem is, according to that homepage, it is expected to last even less than BerliOS: 40 days.

Archiving is a HUGE problem (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37590854)

I look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities

and think, how can ANYONE get a handle on archiving this?

archive.org certainly isn't going to do this.

This is something the Open Source community is going to have to deal with. Just how, exactly do
you preserve something is big that is constantly changing? Archive off the static projects?

Projects should be archived (1)

linuxguy (98493) | more than 2 years ago | (#37591436)

All the hosted projects should be archived. I was looking for an older uvcvideo driver source the other day and all the links Google pointed me to were dead BerliOS links. It was a very maddening experience.

I offer to host an archived version of BerliOS over a dedicated 35Mbps (symmetric) connection and have systems and TBs of hard drive space to spare. Please get in touch with me if you think this will help. Whatever you do, don't kill the whole thing. Not all projects will get exported before the closure. That would be a terrible waste.

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