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Paris Launches World's First Electric Car Share Program

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the surrendering-to-efficiency dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Yesterday Paris took a big step towards clean transportation as it launched the world's first electric car share program. Created by Vincent Bollore, the Autolib electric car-share is modeled off the city's popular bike share system, and it will be the largest program of its kind in the world. By December the program will include 250 electric vehicles, and it's planned to expand in 2012 if the first leg of the project is successful."

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Aha! The French! I know that one. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596370)

Let's see, it looks like they've uh... surrendered to... better... vehicle... um... hmmm.

C'mon, help me out here, people! Slashdot is nothing without terrible jokes that stopped being funny years ago! Don't let the dream die!

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (0)

TESTNOK (2476330) | about 3 years ago | (#37596450)

Probably the car is made with a small part, say, the left indicator light cover, that is French, so to the French, this car is French: a great victory for the republic! Vive la France! Vive la voiture Francais! (sounds of Marseillaise in the background)...

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596540)

Probably the car is made with a small part, say, the left indicator light cover, that is French, so to the French, this car is French: a great victory for the republic! Vive la France! Vive la voiture Francais! (sounds of Marseillaise in the background)...

Well, you know the French did invent the automobile! Just like they invented the microchip, the airplane, rock and roll, the cotton gin, and Chinese food.

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 3 years ago | (#37597348)

the French did invent the automobile! Just like they invented the microchip, the airplane, rock and roll, the cotton gin, and Chinese food

The main point of TFA is not who invented the concept.
Electric cars rental could be a revolution in Paris:
- less polluted city
- convenient for parisians, businessmen and tourists
- smaller cars
- people don't own the car, and thus may be more likely to share it (and the price) with someone going to the same place (less cars in Paris)
- future will tell, but such shared cars will likely to be easier to control in order to reduce traffic jams

All in all, it is a pretty good initiative.

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 3 years ago | (#37598438)

I couldn't do the shared car thing.

I mean, you get in..and first thing...someones changed the radio station.

Someone before you was sweaty and/or smelly...

No one has emptied out the ashtray in forever...

And..where do you keep your stuff? I carry a lot of myself around with me in my car...I don't wanna have to cram all of that into a backpack and carry it all everytime I change cars (mp3 player/CD's, radar detector, darts [soft time and steels] in case I go hit a bar with a board, my lottery tix, various sun glasses....etc).

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (2)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 3 years ago | (#37596740)

Probably the car is made with a small part, say, the left indicator light cover, that is French, so to the French, this car is French: a great victory for the republic! Vive la France! Vive la voiture Francais! (sounds of Marseillaise in the background)...

Why is this probable?

You do know France has quite a large car and truck industry?

(Although this case is a bit odd - The "Blue Car" is made by a paper manufacturer, mostly as a demo of their battery technology).

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

TESTNOK (2476330) | about 3 years ago | (#37596794)

Yes, so, the fact that France has a large car and truck industry *does* make it probable that part of the car is made by a French company. Am I missing your point? I read now that the car is made in the Pininfarina factories in Turin by companies Bolloré and Cecomp. Bolloré does the drivetrain, so there you go.

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 3 years ago | (#37596928)

The drivetrain is "a small part, say, the left indicator light cover, "?

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 3 years ago | (#37597344)

The same way Americans say buy Ford,GM or Chyrsler when 90% of the cars built by those companies come from Mexico.

Never trust that a brand is made in the same country as the parent corp.

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | about 3 years ago | (#37597532)

Half of GM's employees are in the US so either you are pulling the number out of you ass or UAW is even more inefficient then its biggest naysayers claim.

Re:Aha! The French! I know that one. (4, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 3 years ago | (#37598190)

As Slashdot's only French poster on this site I'm really starting to get tired of all these stupid insults against our country! Every single day I try to cure you of your ignorance of history. For example, we didn't.... *sigh* Oh forget it.

I give up.

world's first? maybe not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596372)

OK, not much of a car, but There was an electric car sharing program running in amsterdam in the 1970's. Here a link with some background info: http://www.visualnews.com/2011/03/08/amsterdams-witkar-the-first-car-sharing/

Re:world's first? maybe not (1)

headLITE (171240) | about 3 years ago | (#37596712)

There is a car sharing program in the city I live in (in Germany) that has electric cars. Maybe it doesn't count because I don't think they have electric-only cars, but they do have plug-in hybrids i.e. cars that can be charged from external sources and will run on electrical power for the first 20 km or so.

Amsterdam did that (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596374)

Amsterdam 1974:

The sharecar named "Witkar" small electric car , A'dam been there done that and got the T shirt..back in 1974

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witkar

Re:Amsterdam did that (2)

rvw (755107) | about 3 years ago | (#37596790)

Amsterdam 1974:

The sharecar named "Witkar" small electric car , A'dam been there done that and got the T shirt..back in 1974

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witkar

Amsterdam did that, and the "witte fietsen" (white bikes) as well, and both failed. Last summer I was in Paris, and the Velib (the bike rental system) worked really well. You rent a bike for less than 2 euros a day (less if you take a subscription). If you take a bike, you can use it for half an hour for free, then you pay one euro, and the rate per half hour goes up to 4 euros. That seems absurd, but the goal is that people put the bikes back in half an hour, as that is probably enough for 90% of the rides. Plus it keeps the system alive.

I really enjoyed it, and it gave me a chance to view the city in another way. And no stupid helmets like in the US.

I hope this system will work for cars as well, electric or not. And then they should import it in Amsterdam.

Re:Amsterdam did that (2)

Malc (1751) | about 3 years ago | (#37596950)

London uses the same charging scheme (access fee + rising rental rate starting with a free first 30 mins). It encourages churn and availability, and if you want a bike for longer, then there are real rental companies.

The lack of helmets is daft, and TfL encourages people to where one. The system wouldn't work in a casual or convenient way if helmets were required, which rather defeats the purpose of the scheme. I wear one when I'm on my own bike. I guess the rental bikes (from Montreal no less) are not designed to go very quickly anyway. Take your own life in to your own hands... funny though that the US would be more of a nanny state in this regard.

The rental car thing sounds like it must come with a whole load of other issues. I need to read about it: how do they cope with liability and insurance. Even a slow moving car can cause a lot of damage to people and its surroundings.

Re:Amsterdam did that (1)

jeremyp (130771) | about 3 years ago | (#37597284)

The lack of helmets is daft, and TfL encourages people to where one. The system wouldn't work in a casual or convenient way if helmets were required, which rather defeats the purpose of the scheme.

So the lack of helmets is not daft.

I guess the rental bikes (from Montreal no less) are not designed to go very quickly anyway.

I think collision between your head and a concrete kerb stone can be pretty bad no matter what velocity in the horizontal direction you had prior to falling off your bike.

Take your own life in to your own hands... funny though that the US would be more of a nanny state in this regard.

I think "taking your life into your hands" is overdramatising it a bit. It wasn't that long ago that nobody in Britain wore helmets to cycle in. I don't recall there being carnage of cyclists dying of head injuries. It did happen occasionally, of course, which is why it is a good idea to wear a helmet, but there was never anything like the death toll that unhelmeted motorcyclists incurred, or unseat belted car passengers.

Re:Amsterdam did that (0)

Alioth (221270) | about 3 years ago | (#37597932)

Why is the lack of helmets daft? There is little evidence that helmet wearing has a meaningful reduction of the injury rate to on-road cyclists. The compulsion of helmets would be a lot more daft.

Re:Amsterdam did that (1)

CraftyJack (1031736) | about 3 years ago | (#37598064)

There is little evidence that helmet wearing has a meaningful reduction of the injury rate to on-road cyclists.

I'm willing to bet that wearing a helmet actually increases the number of cyclists treated for head injuries.

Re:Amsterdam did that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37598234)

Why is that? Evidence clearly shows helmets save lives and reduce injury in just about everything, including motorcycles. What about bike riding makes it the inverse rule. And what's so unique about bike riding which creates the inverse rule from motorcycle riding safety?

I strongly suspect helmets on bike riders, as with every where else they are worn, is actually a very healthy habit.

Re:Amsterdam did that (1)

Chonnawonga (1025364) | about 3 years ago | (#37597762)

Wait, I was with you until... you think helmets are stupid?
Look, everyone! Darwinism at work! The brain that doesn't protect itself...

Re:Amsterdam did that (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about 3 years ago | (#37598812)

This is actually quite a healthy debate in the cycling community that ranges from nut-jobs who think wearing a helmet will make you "take more risks" and get hurt worse, to nanny-staters who think that no-one should ever be allowed on a bike without a helmet.

The healthy middle ground says that making helmets mandatory will cause less people to ride bikes ("fuck it, I'll just take the car"), so to get people on bikes you need to let them do it without wearing a helmet.

The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (2)

Frans Faase (648933) | about 3 years ago | (#37596378)

The first was the Witkar [wikipedia.org] in Amsterdam more than 35 years ago.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

brutaltruth (1147069) | about 3 years ago | (#37596556)

And Paris is not even the first in France: at least La Rochelle has this kind of service since 1999, called Liselec at the time, now renamed Yélomobile: http://www.yelomobile.fr/ [yelomobile.fr]

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (0)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 3 years ago | (#37596594)

The first was the Witkar [wikipedia.org] in Amsterdam more than 35 years ago.

Didn't you read TFS? It said "world's first electric car share program" !!! It also says the "largest", but since it's the first, I think it's a given.

So stop spreading FUD and surrender to your great robotic slashdot overlord.

Have a nice day.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596658)

This is your robotic slashdot overlord speaking.

From TFL: [...] These were specially designed electric vehicles. They had two seats, and offered little luxury. They were very easy to recognize. The vehicles were located around the city in pods. [...]

Now hand in your trolling license and get out of here!

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37597304)

The first was the Witkar [wikipedia.org] in Amsterdam more than 35 years ago.

Didn't you read TFS? It said "world's first electric car share program"

Click on the link, read the Dutch version, and even if you don't understand Dutch, "24 volt elektromotor van 2000 watt" implies that the car wasn't fueled by petrol, diesel, uranium, or banana peels.

Even the English version says "These were specially designed electric vehicles", and goes on about recharging problems

Twit.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

Pete (big-pete) (253496) | about 3 years ago | (#37597032)

And looking at a more recent example I've been seeing Zen Cars [sustainable-mobility.org] around Brussels recently too.

This is definitely not a "World's First"...

-- Pete.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597224)

Brussels: 29 cars.

Paris: 250 cars to start, adding each month, up to 3000 in june 2012.

Can you really compare?

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

Pete (big-pete) (253496) | about 3 years ago | (#37597622)

They're both electric car sharing efforts, and just because the one is Paris is bigger, that doesn't make it "first".

Or are you one of those people who also think that the iPod was the "first" portable mp3 player?

-- Pete.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 3 years ago | (#37597816)

The French like to redefine things so that they are the first. Like for instance saying that the wright brothers were not the first airplane because an airplane is defined not just a craft that can fly under it's own power, but also has to perform at least one 90 degree turn.

Re:The first was: the witkar in Amsterdam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37597634)

Which really didn't seem to address one of the main needs of people who don't have a car and need one occasionally: to carry loads of heavy stuff occasionally. They also look awfully slow to actually be useful to go to places which are too far to cycle to (which is probably the main transportation means of not car owners in Amsterdam).

Speaking Dutch as a second language, I can't help but to confuse "witkar" with "wietkar" (I actually had to look-out which was the correct spelling of "wiet").

It's all great till the zombie apoc... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596384)

then what happens? 250km range? What happens if it's all hilly? Would that mean the car loses like 1/3 range?

Re:It's all great till the zombie apoc... (1)

norpy (1277318) | about 3 years ago | (#37596552)

Petrol car has 400km range? What happens if it's all hilly?
The petrol car doesn't even get to recover lost power through regenerative braking!!!

The energy expended to get a car from point A to point B does not change just because the drivetrain is electric.

Re:It's all great till the zombie apoc... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596760)

Petrol car has 400km range? What happens if it's all hilly? The petrol car doesn't even get to recover lost power through regenerative braking!!!

The energy expended to get a car from point A to point B does not change just because the drivetrain is electric.

What if the company added solar panels on the roof along with the regen braking? Not sure how large the roof is but you should be able to mount a 30W panel on the top of it. Probably 60W max. If the math is correct it can put back 2.5-5Ah into the batteries and whatever the regen braking can recover. 30W / 12V = 2.5Ah 60W /12V = 5.0Ah I've seen some flexiable solar panels before but I'm sure if they laminated (or whatever the proper term/procedure is) it to the roof they can pack the solar cells tighter. http://www.amazon.com/Powerfilm-F15-1800-Folding-Solar-Charger/dp/B001QL0EB2 [amazon.com] http://www.amazon.com/Powerfilm-F15-3600-Folding-Solar-Charger/dp/B001QKWTJ8 [amazon.com]

Re:It's all great till the zombie apoc... (1)

jeremyp (130771) | about 3 years ago | (#37597382)

Firstly, dividing watts by volts gives an answer in amps, not amp-hours. Using your figures, one hour's charging from the solar cells would give you 5 Ah in your best scenario.

The starter motor on my car is the best part of 1 kW. That means your 5 Ah is enough to keep the starter motor turning over for a little under 4 minutes. Granted, that's enough to start the main engine several times over, but the main engine is 132 kW. That means, if I put my foot down hard on an equivalently powerful electric motor, your 5 Ah would run out in under 2 seconds.

Re:It's all great till the zombie apoc... (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | about 3 years ago | (#37597034)

In France petrol cars more likely have a 1000km range.

If the earth does not crack up first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596422)

[quote]"and it's planned to expand in 2012 if the first leg of the project is successful."[/quote] Haha if 2012 doesn't screw up everything first. *wink wink* ;)

A big step towards clean transportation (2)

Yev000 (985549) | about 3 years ago | (#37596424)

I wash my M3 every week!

At a time when a EMP blast can wipe-out all. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596516)

You fuckers and your so-called "clean" transportation is more fragile and requires more maintenance. Get a grip. Rather than phase-out combustion engines you need to work-on HHO Water Electrolysis and Joe Cell if not Natural Gas to be used.

Replacing with expensive impractical shitty transportation like Electric Cars and Bicycles is just your ego being able to afford things that don't make sense to Heavy Equipment Operators and Truckers and anyone who's living needs rapid movement without centering around a house but self-sufficiency from their rolling chassis.

You'ld think you Slashdot'ians would realise this, but nooo instead your dreams are to reduce everyone else around you to a standard of living that is a regulative nightmare.

Re:A big step towards clean transportation (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 3 years ago | (#37596960)

And you have to! With that matte finish paint job (a £1750 extra) you can't let it get dirty, or take it in a car wash, or let any bird crap get on there for more than a few minutes or you'll ruin it completely!

BMW are *forcing* you towards clean transportation!

Could work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596442)

Only issue is how to maintain the battery charge. I'm guessing they just swap batteries to charge them unless they plan to have recharge stations at the pickup/drop points. Both seems expensive (lots of spare batteries over moderate charging vs expensive high current charges at various points). At 250 kilometres (155 miles), seems reasonable enough for a full day but that's only at initial output. As the cars and batteries wears out, it will definitely be lower then that. Aggressive maintenance and battery replacement every some odd years would work but that further increases cost.

From the customer point of view though, it's really is a awesome deal at only 12 euros (15.86 US dollars) a month especially since they themselves don't have to worry about the car maintenance or whatnot. Currently, France gas price should be at around $8.00 per US gallon ($2.10 per liter) in comparison.

Re:Could work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596480)

12€ per month is just the subscription, you need to pay 5€ for the first 1/2 hour, then 4€ for then next, and 6€per additionnal 1/2 hour. That's quite a lot.

I live within Paris, without a car, probably the best customer you might think ? Err no : subscription based program make it pretty expansive about 200€ for a single day, when it is around 80 + fuel with traditionnal car renting...

And I don't exactly like the fact that 'authorities' promote individual car in Paris. Subway / suburban rail network is not rolling over gold....

Re:Could work. (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597248)

subscription based program make it pretty expansive about 200€ for a single day

The point of the system is like the Velib bike sharing system: you are not expected to use it only for yourself for a whole day. This is a sharing system. Use it only for a ride, and put it in a station once you are near your destination. Take another car for the way back.

That's be great to have. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596474)

Sadly, a public car here would sound to the masses like "public bathroom", "free lodging" and most surely "getaway vehicle"

such are things.

Re:That's be great to have. (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | about 3 years ago | (#37597686)

Sadly, a public car here would sound to the masses like "public bathroom", "free lodging" and most surely "getaway vehicle"

I'm not sure one of these would work well as a getaway vehicle... although I can see the 60mph chase down the interstate... being filmed live...

Re:That's be great to have. (1)

jeaton (44965) | about 3 years ago | (#37598856)

It sounds like Zipcar, but with all-electric cars. Zipcar doesn't seem to have the problems you mention, so I don't see why it would be an issue just because the car is electric instead of gas or hybrid.

Could make sense (3, Insightful)

l2718 (514756) | about 3 years ago | (#37596478)

For short in-city trips electric vehicles are fairly efficient (especially with regenerative breaking). Moreover, these vehicles will have established parking spots where they can be efficiently charged. I can see this being a cost-effective alternative to taxis, and possibly to public transport (especially for several people at once). The question is what to do about them if they are driven until the battery is drained, which is not an issue for bicycles. If that becomes prevalent it will increase costs.

Re:Could make sense (1, Insightful)

stephanruby (542433) | about 3 years ago | (#37596518)

The question is what to do about them if they are driven until the battery is drained, which is not an issue for bicycles. If that becomes prevalent it will increase costs.

Yep, it's like people driving a rented car until the fuel tank is completely empty, or like people returning a rented car with less fuel than the rental place asked them to return with. It does increase the cost, but it increases that cost only to the person who doesn't bother.

Yeah, this could work. (2)

Cyno01 (573917) | about 3 years ago | (#37596564)

With reserved spots, the infrastructure for charging becomes simpler for this sort of thing. My sister lives in Chicago, she doesnt own a car and bikes most places, but for things like bulk grocery buying and other shopping, that sorta thing, she has a zip car membership. If the charging stations are prevalent enough, i could see zipcar going electric. And after a minute of research it seems theyre already testing it in san francisco with plug in hybrids.

Re:Could make sense (2)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597272)

The question is what to do about them if they are driven until the battery is drained, which is not an issue for bicycles. If that becomes prevalent it will increase costs.

The payment system is an incentive to put back the car for use for someone else: if the driver want to reduce his costs, he has to use the car only for short rides and park the car in a station instead of keeping it for himself and continuing to pay.
And as the car station is the recharging station, the more often the car goes to a station the more time it spends recharging.

Check the back seat first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596496)

Somebody may have been doing the nasties the night before

Re:Check the back seat first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596672)

for a certain market, i'm sure you could charge extra for that to have been the case.

I guesss they don't count... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596510)

On project better place. http://www.betterplace.com/
Not vehicle sharing so much, but infrastructure to support continuous use of electric vehicles via automated battery swapping.

Once again... follow the money... (1)

mad flyer (589291) | about 3 years ago | (#37596514)

This car share program seems to have been designed just to line the pocket of Bollore big friend of Sarkozy...

Problem... it absolutely ignore the needs of other electric cars drivers...

Renault have a full lineup from micro city cars to full size sedan and utility pro vehicles...

Something done to help those user in the city...

NOPE...

Re:Once again... follow the money... (3, Informative)

DennisZeMenace (131127) | about 3 years ago | (#37596660)

The man behind this project is Bertrand Delanoe, the mayor of Paris, who is a socialist...

Re:Once again... follow the money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596696)

Do you seriously think that makes a difference? Different political party, same system.

Re:Once again... follow the money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596878)

"Problem... it absolutely ignore the needs of other electric cars drivers..."

Wot? Like Velib ignores the needs of bike-owners?
Or Starbucks ignores the needs of coffee-machine owners?

World's first electric car share program (2)

makubesu (1910402) | about 3 years ago | (#37596524)

also, largest of its kind! One with the most features! Most customers! Most attractive customers! Shiniest cars! Only one that doesn't poison all of its clients! Least deadly of all of them! Most vacuously true of all of them!
The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club!

Re:World's first electric car share program (2)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about 3 years ago | (#37596728)

Hint from a former Parisian : When Paris claims to be the first to do something, it means they copied from another town but put it to a larger scale. So they claim to be the first (of this scale) to pretend to be the ones who came up with the idea.

Re:World's first electric car share program (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 3 years ago | (#37596824)

I heard that Paris was the first city!

Re:World's first electric car share program (1)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about 3 years ago | (#37596850)

Whether it is original or not, as long as it works it won't matter. Hopefully in a few years time a more attractive headline would be 'world's first SUCCESSFUL electric car share programme".

I'm no tree hugger but particulate-free air is rather nice in major cities. Or less pollution at any rate...

Re:World's first electric car share program (1)

horza (87255) | about 3 years ago | (#37597600)

We've had this in Nice for a long time already.

Phillip.

Shell game (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596542)

Clean how so?

It actually is less efficient to generate power far away, send it over the wire and charge that car than it is for it to be self powered.

All this does is move the pollution out of the sight of the privileged elites in the city.

All in the name of the religion of environmentalism.

Re:Shell game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596604)

Nice troll buddy.

The efficiency of a small (read: can be put on wheels) internal combustion engine is low enough that even terribly inefficient sources of utility scale power generation + transmission losses are more efficient.

Re:Shell game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596896)

Are you advocating,we put miniature nuclear reactor under the hood of our cars ?

Re:Shell game (2)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 3 years ago | (#37596938)

Clean how so?

It actually is less efficient to generate power far away, send it over the wire and charge that car than it is for it to be self powered.

All this does is move the pollution out of the sight of the privileged elites in the city.

All in the name of the religion of environmentalism.

Paris is in France.

You know, the country where 80% of the electricity is generated by nuclear reactors.

Re:Shell game (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 years ago | (#37597286)

Yes, most electricity in France is nuclear. And therefore the electric cars are indeed better for the environment, both because of less particulate pollution and because of less contribution to global warming producing CO2.

Re:Shell game (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 3 years ago | (#37597296)

It actually is less efficient to generate power far away, send it over the wire and charge that car than it is for it to be self powered.

Can you back that claim up with numbers? No, because it's not true. If you mean a car "self-powered" by fossil fuel, you're lucky to see 20% of that energy appear at the wheels. If you look at well-to-wheel efficiency, it's even worse. If you meant "self-powered" by on-board batteries, where did the energy come from that was put into those batteries? Power transmission is actually quite efficient; power generation is also reasonably efficient compared with a small IC engine, and in any case, France has a very high proportion of nuclear energy.

Ulm : 2009 (1)

stooo (2202012) | about 3 years ago | (#37596566)

Ulm does this on a quite good scale since at least 2 years, so it's not the first

Re:Ulm : 2009 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37597390)

Of course, such a statement without a link is totally useless.

Paris popular bike share system? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596612)

The company that exploited the bikes had some problems with their "popularity". The bikes are popular in the bidonvilles of Paris, Boekarest and Africa. The 20% left in Paris are popular when enough bikes are available in for example uphill Belleville in the morning, driving downtown in the morning is a lot easier than returning them in the afternoon or evening. In that sense the electric car might be more successful but one wonders if electric bikes could not do the same cheaper while avoiding the traffic congestions at the same time. And without proper charging stations they may not be so popular outside Paris.

Anonymous

Re:Paris popular bike share system? (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597432)

And without proper charging stations they may not be so popular outside Paris.

The map [autolib-paris.fr] of the cities where stations will be available: this is not only Paris.

Not first by a long shot (1)

data2 (1382587) | about 3 years ago | (#37596680)

This is definitely not the first electric car sharing program, see the comment about Witkar. But it also isn't the first commercially successful or anything. The German railway association (Deutsche Bahn) has their Flinkster program, which includes electric and "normal" cars, depending on what you need. In my opinion a perfect fit for the current generation.

The link in the OP is wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596688)

The website linked is for the care-share program in Lyon, France. The new program in Paris can be found at http://www.autolib-paris.fr/

Re:The link in the OP is wrong (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597312)

+1
autolib-paris.fr [autolib-paris.fr]

Small step for a frenchman, giant odor for mankind (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596718)

> Yesterday Paris took a big step towards clean transportation

Paris should take a big step towards personal hygiene by encouraging french people to wash their body regularly, rather than rely on the use of perfumes to supress their odour!

That way the parisians shall be able to use public transport and voila, the need for any kind of individualized urban motorized traffic disappears, be it electric or combustion based.

big and expensive FAIL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596724)

Only 250 vehicles this is not going to work. If you want users to give up their personal cars they need to be confident they will find one when they need it:at rush hour. 80.000 users competing for 250 cars? I don't see this succeeding.

Re:big and expensive FAIL? (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | about 3 years ago | (#37597050)

This is targeting people without car. There are a lot of them in Paris, because the public transport is good enough (but not for everything, hence these rentable cars)

Re:big and expensive FAIL? (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597320)

250 to start, adding each month, up to 3000 in june.

Not the first (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | about 3 years ago | (#37596762)

Well, in Brussels, Zen Car has had stations for a couple of months now.

the article contains a few mistakes (1)

pieterbos (2218218) | about 3 years ago | (#37596812)

the article mentions this program is unique as it only uses electrical cars.

The autolib website has a lists of cars you can rent. It contains many cars, none of which are electrical.

The article mentions this is 12 euro a month. The website mentions 12 euro a month, plus an hourly price and a price per kilometer.

(and the thing about them not being the first, but i think this may have been mentioned in other posts :))

Re:the article contains a few mistakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37596832)

The link in the article is wrong, and describes another service based in Lyon (which happens to have the same name). The right link is here: http://www.autolib-paris.fr/

Re:the article contains a few mistakes (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 years ago | (#37597252)

Yeah, that link is the Lyon Autolib. The Paris Autolib is all electric, using a single model called the Bluecar. It's 12 EURO per month + a half hourly change.

5 EUROs the first half hour.
4 EUROs the second half hour.
6 EUROs the third half hour.

There's no distance or fuel charge.

Not really the first (1)

nsebban (513339) | about 3 years ago | (#37596830)

The very same program has already been launched in several smaller cities of France for months. In the south-east part of the country, Nice, Antibes and Cannes had autolib cars since early April.

Nice was first, not Paris (1)

bdunogier (1703556) | about 3 years ago | (#37596944)

It would be nice if the title could be fixed. Maybe something like "Paris gets the first electric car share program national media actually talks about" ?

Nice (on the riviera) has had such a system since march 2010, and it has been quite well received. You can read more here: http://www.nice.fr/Zoom-sur/Auto-partage [www.nice.fr] (google translate, people).

It is a very common issue in france that something is actually talked about only when it happens in Paris. We had the same with shared bikes, that were implemented in paris only 2-3 years ago, while a few cities had had one for years already (Lyon, Barcelona, etc).

Re:Nice was first, not Paris (1)

horza (87255) | about 3 years ago | (#37597654)

Nice has already an electric tramway, all the buses have been running on natural gas for over a decade, it has a communal bike rental system, and for the past few months you can just pick up an electric car and use it for something like €5 per hour. Last month they celebrated over 1,000 regular subscribers to the car scheme.

Phillip.

The first internationaly *visible* car-pool (1)

BlackCreek (1004083) | about 3 years ago | (#37597028)

A lot of people are commenting that this is not "the first". Who cares?

It is not the first but, for one, it will be the first that will be heard of by people living far from it. Folks get over this: there are more international reporters in Paris than in all of the other quoted cities I've seen so far combined.

More importantly, given the monthly price, it seems to be a lot more geared to the occasional short trip. We (me+wife) used a car pool system in The Netherlands for a couple of years. The trick with it was that the monthly fees were so high that it only made financial sense if you needed a car for a couple of hours a week, every week.

The trick of this Parisian car system is that it costs a small amount to be part of it, that should allow (I hope) for people without constant need for a car to make use of it. It should also go a long way towards giving car-pooling more global visibility.

FWIW, The Netherlands also had an early bicycle sharing program in Amsterdam in the 70s that was a disaster, perhaps they were also the first in it, but again, who cares? It did not work, and was cancelled. France had a huge success with large-scale bicycle sharing programs which spread through all its major cities, and they work. The Velib in Paris (also not the first) works in every way it should, and given the amount of tourists that come to Paris, it is probably the most visible in the planet (i.e. it is the one that spreads the good news, and helps to convince the sceptics).

Re:The first internationaly *visible* car-pool (1)

data2 (1382587) | about 3 years ago | (#37597618)

Well, there are a multitude of car sharing companies in every major German city. So I think this is much more a case of reporters believing the marketing than anything else.
The one I use has a monthly fee of 5 Euros, the other one I use has no monthly fee.

Re:The first internationaly *visible* car-pool (1)

BlackCreek (1004083) | about 3 years ago | (#37598106)

Are the stations of these dense enough, that you can just go somewhere else and drop the car? Instead of having to (more or less) be forced into a round-trip?

One thing I hope this system will provide is a high density of stations to allow that. IIRC the system we used in the NL actually required us to return the car to the same spot. But then, it also allowed us to reserve a car at a given location and given time.

Baidu Sim-City like map (1)

MahJongKong (883108) | about 3 years ago | (#37597062)

Check the chinese sim-city view, it's amazing to browse : - map.baidu.com - zoom in, then click on the top right corner on the second button ("3d view", with the number three as the first character, three horizontal strokes)

Re:Baidu Sim-City like map (1)

MahJongKong (883108) | about 3 years ago | (#37597068)

Wrong thread....

Re:Baidu Sim-City like map (1)

dolmen.fr (583400) | about 3 years ago | (#37597356)

Wrong thread....

Or more probably a long-time /. bug...

they should have called it (1)

bazorg (911295) | about 3 years ago | (#37597124)

bzzzut alors!

Well, probably won't work, but gotta try... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37597636)

I can't imagine it'll work out very well. I'm in a club where we share airplanes. We don't let just anybody in, we know everyone, everyone has a stake in the airplanes. Yet, they still end up getting beat up, left full of garbage, etc. Even with a group of 2 (married couple), you can often see that. Both assumes the other will take care of keeping it up and as a result the vehicles rapidly suffer. Now tell me how this is supposed to work when sharing a car with hundreds/thousands of random strangers???

Now just add Googles driverless cars.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37598366)

This a a great step towards a clean transportation future. I envision cities where fleets of robotic electric cars will roam the cities like driverless taxi's. You pull out your smartphone and order one and the nearest one comes and gets you, takes you where you want to go, then continues on its way. When their batteries are low they automatically go charge themselves and repeat. There will be much less need to own a car under this system.

nuclear, not electric... (1)

Jimpqfly (790794) | about 3 years ago | (#37598888)

... was the tagline of an old french TV ad.

Because that's the case : every country wants to get rid of nuclear energy, but in the same time push for electric devices, cars, and so on ....

Anybody actually sees the paradox ?

La Rochelle city: 12 years of electric cars rental (1)

Jimpqfly (790794) | about 3 years ago | (#37599006)

Since 1999, La Rochelle (France) has setup an electric car rental service called Yelomobile (former Liselec). So Paris is not really "innovating" with this idea...
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