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So Far, More Than 50,000 Kindle Fire Pre-Orders Per Day

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the any-3-points-on-a-circle dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Leaked screens from Amazon's internal stock monitoring and assignment system (Alaska) has revealed just how popular the Kindle Fire tablet is already. In just 5 days of being up for pre-order there have been 250,000 reserved. That's more than 50,000 per day or 2,000 sold every hour. If that continues to launch day Amazon will need to have 2.5 million ready to ship to meet demand. To put that in context, the original iPad managed to ship 1 million in its first month." The key phrase seems to be "if this level of consumer demand continues" — but given the success of the e-ink Kindle line, that might not be crazy. Do you want one, or not?

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50,000 a day? (1)

heptapod (243146) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598740)

If there's a great depression going on throughout the world, where the hell are people finding the scratch to piss away on electronic devices that will be stuck in a walled garden and bricked in less than a decade?

Re:50,000 a day? (4, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598790)

This device, at $200, can actually give people on limited budgets an entry way to using the internet the way more well-heeled people do. They can stream media, read ebooks, store music in the cloud, access the internet - it's hard to even find a decent netbook at $200, or at least one that performs well at all these tasks.

It could be something that allows the lower income into the web today, instead of the web as it was 5-10 years ago.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598860)

Yes, but they are not the early adopters. In this economy, a lot of people don't have a spare $200 to spend on a shiny new toy.

Re:50,000 a day? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599174)

In this economy, a lo

I guess this retarded phrase replaced "Think about the children!" and "Terrorist alert level".

Here's news for you. 10% unemployment means 90% of people that want a job, have a job. And if they want to spend money, they spend money.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599306)

There are impacts to even those of us who are working, such as inflation. Inflation is being under-reported, and it is being hidden in the government's official numbers by the horrendous housing market.

Not only is the price of everything at the grocery store rising, you go to the bank and they're slapping new fees on everywhere, state and local governments are raising fees and taxes... there is nothing that isn't becoming a lot less affordable, it would seem, except gasoline and that's a symptom of the economy.

I agree that "In this economy" is a dumb phrase and defeatist thinking, but his point is a salient one.

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

fusiongyro (55524) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599678)

"there is nothing that isn't becoming a lot less affordable"... except apparently excellent, inexpensive, computer-replacing tablets. Which is exactly tripleevenfall's point. It's three times easier to save up $200 for a Kindle Fire than a $600 laptop.

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599338)

And...in all fairness, most people that I know that are on unemployment can scratch and save for a few months to be able to afford one. If they can afford iPhones and cable television an extra $200 isn't much.

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

phik (2368654) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599394)

Imagine you're poor. Not homeless-poor ...but lower class. You have one laptop to share for your family and a slow wifi connection. This kindle is a perfect device. It isn't cheap (for the hypothetical you) but it's not back-breaking by any means. Buying another laptop is out of the question, and you don't know how to buy a used latop and reformat the harddrive. So you get the kindle fire: it means twice as many people in the home get online. You aren't thinking about walled gardens, you're just happy your kid can do homework while you can check facebook. It may not be the best or smartest decision, but that isn't the point. It's the way a lot of people live... and it's part of the reason why this will sell like crazy.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599488)

"access the internet " BZZZT! Only from a Wifi Connection. they DISABLED web browsing from the 3G connection.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599682)

If it has a IMEI number, this will be hacked within months.

Re:50,000 a day? (4, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598796)

Because most people have a job. And $200 is not bank breaking for a lot of people. And because they don't give a shit about a walled garden.

Re:50,000 a day? (1, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598834)

That walled garden escalates the total cost of ownership for the thing. It increases what you would otherwise pay for the same content.

The initial $200 may not "break the bank", but the content acquisition model will make things more expensive forever after.

That said: $200 is certainly a better teaser price point than $600.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598890)

Apple's model also continually farms cash via content acquisition.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599094)

So you are cheering for the corporation that is bending you over? Great...

They call that Helsinki Syndrome oddly enough.

Re:50,000 a day? (4, Funny)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599184)

I wasn't applauding it, I was just pointing out that both platforms have the same shortcoming.

And it's Stockholm Syndrome... I'm not sure what Helsinki syndrome would be... an insatiable desire for cabbage rolls and pea soup? :)

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599422)

Helsinki Syndrome is what they erroneously call it in "Die Hard".

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599330)

They call that Helsinki Syndrome oddly enough.

Do you ever feel pathetic for parroting the same garbage as everyone else on the internet in an effort to sound cool?

You should - it's pathetic.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599500)

Jedidiah is a pretty well-known idiot around these parts. He's obsessed with Apple and scours the comments of every story for even a stray mention of his corporate nemesis.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598940)

I just pre-ordered one. I expect my uses of this device to be 1) Web browsing, 2) Netflix, 3) e-book reading -at a distant third- 4) 99cent games -even more distant fourth-. Based on this I'm not really worried about the 'walled garden' too much. I'm sure I'll end up spending enough for Amazon to make up whatever 'subsidy' they're applying to the list price, but I won't go broke doing it.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598998)

I was debating getting a new laptop to replace my aging desktop, but I pre-ordered one of these instead.

For the larger tasks like writing emails or for mass storage, I'll just keep my desktop plugged in somewhere in the house but powered down. For email, media, and day to day web surfing I'll use the Fire.

I am wondering how often I will end up booting the old desktop PC...

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599382)

I was debating getting a new laptop to replace my aging desktop, but I pre-ordered one of these instead.

FOOL. You should have bought a netbook ($200 CDN) or cheap laptop ( $349 CDN) instead. Better utility and value for the money. .

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

futuresheep (531366) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599166)

The intent of this device is to get you to buy and use Amazon products and services. So unless Amazon buys Netflix, I'd be stunned to see them allow the installation of the Netflix application on their devices.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599372)

I'm reasonably sure that within a few weeks there will be a version of Cyanogen that will run on it just fine. For the technically savvy it will be a cinch to install and get a vanilla Android device. Whether or not it's against the TOS is another question, but personally, I've never cared about those anyway.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598962)

Sure, it increases TCO, but the marketplace doesn't encourage consumers to look at that factor -- it's all about the initial price point. Besides, people are fairly used to greedrape from buying ringtones and games and such on their cell phones. I "bought" (rented) Gauntlet on my cell phone about six years ago, and then I was PISSED about four years ago when Verizon refused to transfer the game to my new handset. It made me think twice about buying DRM'd products in the future, let me tell you.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599130)

Its far less walled than Apple's stack. On the iPad, you have to use iTunes to install everything, and the EULAs are terribly restrictive. Amazon gives you an old fashioned MP3 for music, and most of its other policies are equally less restrictive. They're definitely the lesser evil in today's content ecosystem.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599644)

"On the iPad, you have to use iTunes to install everything,"

are you stupid? have you ever touched an iPad or iPhone?

I dont use itunes at all except to back up the device once in a while. I install EVERYTHING from the apps store ON the device.

Got some other crap you made up about the iPad?

A refurbished iPad is $300. (3, Interesting)

s.o.terica (155591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599248)

The iPad 1 is $299 (yes, that's "refurbished," but many people believe that's just Apple's strategy for price discrimination since Apple "refurbished" products are indistinguishable from new).

That's the real competitor for the Kindle Fire, and with over twice the screen real estate, twice the memory, and an infinitely better selection of apps than are available in the Amazon Appstore, for most people the iPad is likely to be the better purchase.

Re:A refurbished iPad is $300. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599456)

And it has less RAM and a much slower CPU.

As for the display, it's all a matter of taste. Some people prefer the portability of a 7" tablet. Just like a 3.5" iPhone isn't cheaper than a 10" iPad but some people still buy it.

Re:A refurbished iPad is $300. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599694)

"Some people prefer the portability of a 7" tablet."

Until they try to read their first educational or technical book on it. Then they hate it.

7" is great for novels and recreational reading, it's utter crap for technical manuals, documents, magazines, and Textbooks. I have an iPad and a KindleDX and those are far,far,FAR, superior to any 7" reader made for any document that is not a paperback novel.

I personally want a 12" reader that has a 8.5" X11" screen.

Re:A refurbished iPad is $300. (1)

Almandine (1594857) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599692)

That's still 50% more expensive for a "used" older generation product. Quite a few people have a real aversion to refurbished electronics, especially personal electronics.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

brainzach (2032950) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599370)

Some people see a walled garden as a benefit because it offers better quality control and a more streamlined user experience.

I really don't see the rational of paying more for the same content, unless you are talking about pirated content.

If Amazon is able to get a large market power with the Kindle, it can actually lower the prices individuals pay for content. Amazon would have more leverage in negotiating with content providers and have an incentive to have prices low to compete with Apple.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599432)

LOL its almost like slashdot is stuck in some alternate universe. Stop bitching about walled garden already. Either you pay on the device or you pay on the content - the company has to make money (and I dont see any open source tablets worth even thinking about) - you cant have both a cheap device and an open device (else you will end up with 'open' hardware crap like Neuros OSD - a waste of money).

This is the US - and it is a market based system. So unless you are ready to code everyday for $10/hr - dont make greed sound so very bad.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599672)

That walled garden escalates the total cost of ownership for the thing. It increases what you would otherwise pay for the same content.

You're talking about a demographic that rents-to-own furniture, takes payday loans, and eats fast food.

Seriously.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598928)

I got a Nook Color a few months back, very similar specs to the Kindle Fire. In my case, I needed an easy way to do light web browsing, email and a few other very basic things when traveling. I opted for the $200 Nook Color to replace my aging laptop. It's not always a case of getting an additional device... I would have gotten a laptop or tablet anyway and this fit my needs just as well (better in some cases thanks to the small screen) as a laptop.

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598960)

What make you think it will be stuck in a walled garden? Does Amazon prevent me from installing my own Android software on it?

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599264)

Probably...yes...realistically...Someone will root the device before the end of the month and CyanogenMod (LOL my auto-correct wants Carcinogenicity) will be ported to it days later. But yes Amazon would love to be able to prevent you from rolling your own since they are selling the Fire at a loss. [cnet.com] They know the vast majority will not bother.

Amazon knows they need to get ahead of this iPod as media device trend and they also know they are WAY behind with little hope of catching up without making a concession or two in the short term.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599706)

Yes, yes they do.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599028)

Only people who call this a "Great Depression" are 24-hour new talking heads and the mindless zombies not capable of independent thought. Wake me up when there is 25%+ unemployment and breadlines.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599080)

To be fair, if you look at U-6 which is a better measure of true employment misery, we're above 16%

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599030)

If there's a great depression going on throughout the world, where the hell are people finding the scratch to piss away on electronic devices that will be stuck in a walled garden and bricked in less than a decade?

I ran the numbers, and if those are US only, that means perhaps the top 0.013% of the population is doing OK... Or if world wide numbers, the top 0.00007% of the population is doing OK.

Nearly an impulse buy at this price (4, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599034)

for many of us who frequent a site like this the price point is spectacular.

I already own an iPad, what I am looking for is a smaller form factor. The only negative I saw with the Fire was no camera, but having an iPad and its crappy as not to be even worth having camera, I found I don't miss that. I have a real camera and a better one on my phone anyway.

To me this is the first real Android tablet at a price point I expected. I didn't want Android tablets trying to ape iPads in features and price. I wanted an good alternative in a package that is not cumbersome. Yeah, after a few months with my iPad it suddenly feels big. It certainly isn't being used for all the things I was planning to use it for, but the Fire will do that just as well and I can buy myself and my parents each one and still be under the price of my iPad. As for the walled garden, I am pretty much there with my iPad and I have seen articles claiming Amazon won't go out of their way to stop me from rooting it if I want.

Frankly, after all the years of Apple products I am tired of the price and getting really tired of the feeling I am locked in.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

AdamJS (2466928) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599112)

Because it's an iPad in their eyes for cheap. And a lot of them are probably doing it on credit/borrowed money anyways,

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599236)

I think this is exactly why they are selling well, and exactly why most people will end up disappointed. it is being marketed as the 'iPad killer', being hyped to anyone who can read or hear as the thing that will take the 'iPad crown'.

The problem is, it ISN'T an iPad. I don't even like the iPad, but I will at least acknowledge it has a much faster processor, much better screen, and you can actually get seriously useful apps to run on it. Most folks are going to go into buying the Kindle Fire thinking it does the same thing, and it doesn't. Yes, it runs Android, and they will think they can get any Android app for it, but Amazon has already announced it will only be able to run approved apps from their own app store. I haven't seen anything on disallowing side-loading yet, but I suspect they have, if you can only get things from them. This means (once again) rooting your device to do what you want with it, which most won't do. I have no doubt they are selling a great many of these 'iPad Killers' because people think they ARE getting an iPad, or at least a fully functional Android tablet, when they aren't. This thing is a Nook Color with a nice music store.

Re:50,000 a day? (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599162)

Two questions:

1) Where did they say that the Amazon Fire would only operate within a walled garden? Sure, they're tying it into the Amazon Video, Music, Cloud Storage, etc offerings, but they are have a web browser in it as well. You can go to google.com or any other website that you want to go to and Amazon won't stop you.

2) "Bricked in less than a decade"? Let's start with the second half of that statement. What computing device sold today is seriously purchased with the intent of it being completely usable (and not hopelessly obsolete) in 10 years? If you built a computer in 2001, installed Windows XP (just released in October 2001) on it and gave it the leading web browser of the time (IE6), would you complain that many websites today didn't work right and thus your investment 10 years ago was worthless?

Now for the first half of the statement. Where have you heard that Amazon was going to have the capability to brick these tablets? Perhaps, if something happened to the Amazon.com company, you would be locked out of their music and movie offerings, but that wouldn't stop you from using the tablet to browse the Internet. By default, the Fire uses Amazon's cloud servers to connect but you can switch to "off-cloud mode" and bypass their servers. (So if they shut down those servers, it wouldn't render your tablet useless.)

Why a depression (1)

Sunshinerat (1114191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599234)

In the past year I have been saying something along this lines to explain why there is a recession and the iPhone (I am using this device as a generalization for the entire smart phone/tablet market) is one of the initiators.

It is the device everyone should have, so sales for these devices (including apps) are skyrocketing. It is something that you can flounder around with, peer pressure... Because the non-essential money is spent on these luxury items, no money goes towards the things that are within the home (like furniture, carpets, appliances etc. - again a generalization). Just look around, all I see are furniture stores (and the likes) close all over the place.

So what happens is that a couple of companies benefit from this trend (Apple, HTC, Samsung, etc.). Since these devices are not assembled in the USA/Europe, our hard earned cash goes to China (not your local furniture store and its supply chain), with the result that a large part of our money is not inserted in the US/Eur economy.

Re:50,000 a day? (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599390)

You want people pissing away money like this during a [dep/rec]ession.

Re:50,000 a day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599572)

whatever. i make $200 before lunch (and my day starts at 10)

no wonder... (2)

Dark Lord of Ohio (2459854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598750)

I want one. Now. So count me in and take my $99. A hell with it, make it 4! One for me, my wife, two kids... damn. Make it 6. Labrador and chinchilla will have one too.

Re:no wonder... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598848)

Make that $199 for the Fire.

$79 if you want the lowest end no-keyboard version (which is my favourite considering I already have a Xoom for my tablet needs).

Re:no wonder... (1)

Dark Lord of Ohio (2459854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598948)

Yeah, you're right. I mixed up prices for Kindle Fire and HP TouchPad, that one was for $99. So I just take two Fires. For me and my cute labrador. kids have iphones, wife still uses nokia 3210 playing snake so she would be probably lost in this fancy-touch-thingy anyway.

Re:no wonder... (1)

anyaristow (1448609) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599272)

$109 if you want that without ads. That's the one I want, though I already have the keyboard version, as an even lighter leave-at-work Kindle.

Re:no wonder... (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599176)

I want one also. I've been drooling over the iPad for quite awhile, but couldn't justify the $499 starting price point. At $199, though, I can buy one for me and one for my wife and still save money versus buying a single iPad. No, it doesn't have all of the features that the iPad has, but that's why it is being offered for less money.

Of course, from what I've heard, there will be a Kindle Fire 2 released in early 2012 which will be better than this initial offering. I might just start saving now and see what that one looks like. (Or perhaps I'll get one Fire now and one Fire 2 when that's released.)

Re:no wonder... (1)

Dark Lord of Ohio (2459854) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599526)

and then in 2013 there will be Kindle Fire 3... and you will end up in "infinite loop" of savings :)

Right product, right price (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598756)

This is the first competitor to the iPad at the working-class level. It's priced affordably and contains most of the features people will actually use.

Is it as full-featured as the iPad, of course not, but you don't need $500-600 to get into one. This device could bring apps, cloud storage, streaming media, and these kinds of things down to a crowd that couldn't afford the pay the Apple premium before.

Some will gripe about there not being cameras or a huge amount of onboard storage, but for the average consumer, this will give them 80% of the iPad at 40% of the price

Re:Right product, right price (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598850)

The Apple product doesn't have a huge amount of onboard storage either.

Re:Right product, right price (2)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599274)

iPad 2 on-board storage starts at twice the Fire on-board storage and goes up to 8 times.

Re:Right product, right price (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599556)

This is a legitimate gripe in a way, but really, 60GB isn't enough to store all of my audio, either.

If I have to section off 8GB or 60GB of my music collection and maintain that, it's about the same amount of trouble either way - maybe even more trouble to maintain the larger list.

Re:Right product, right price (4, Insightful)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598872)

Heh, I think half the average consumers for this type of device would be satisfied with a tablet with two functions: a web browser, and Angry Birds. Bonus for a basic MP3 player. Bring that in for around US$125 and you've got a killer product.

Re:Right product, right price (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599660)

How about $149.00 [buy.com]

Of course to get full functionality you'll need to root [theunlockr.com]

and a quick install of your particular flavor ROM [theunlockr.com]

Re:Right product, right price (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598944)

That smell is motorola and samsung shitting their pants. If you want an iPad, you can buy an iPad. If you want a tablet, you can buy a kindle fire. If you want something that kind of looks like an iPad, but isn't, but costs just as much and isn't as good... well, nobody wants that.

I wonder about Google, though. Tablets are kind of stupid. It seems they only did Honeycomb because the manufacturers were trying to stick a Phone OS on a tablet and it was ruining the brand. They should focus on the phone and leave chrome for larger form factors.

Re:Right product, right price (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599154)

Motorola and Samsung sell chips and they will sell them to anyone.

Neither is dependent on the success of products that would be viewed as iPad clones.

It's really Apple that's the single most vulnerable player in this space. Their tablets represents a far larger part of their business than such does for any of their rivals.

Re:Right product, right price (2)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599222)

I think you are completely right. I don't think Amazon is going after Apple with their Fire offering. At least not at first. They're not trying to be the #1 tablet, but the #2 tablet. If they play this right and if the Fire lives up to the hype, they'll wipe the floor with the other tablets. Then, when someone decides which tablet to buy, they'll ask themselves whether they want to spend the $499+ for an iPad or go with the cheaper, less-feature-rich, but still very nice Kindle Fire for $199.

Inadeqate on board memory (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599156)

* Gig may be enough for Ebooks, but its not enough for mp3's. Especially as there is no slot for a (SD or MicroSD) memory card.

Amazon may say you store your media on their cloud, but its only got WiFi and you might not always be within a EiFi area that you have free access to.

Re:Inadeqate on board memory (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599240)

This is an internet appliance, basically. It's predicated on internet access. Just as laptops and desktops aren't that much good without internet access, neither will this be.

First Fire! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598760)

You know that it would be untrue
You know that I would be a liar
If I was to say to you
Girl, we couldn't get much higher
Come on baby, light my fire
Come on baby, light my fire
Try to set the night on fire

The time to hesitate is through
No time to wallow in the mire
Try now we can only lose
And our love become a funeral pyre
Come on baby, light my fire
Come on baby, light my fire
Try to set the night on fire, yeah

The time to hesitate is through
No time to wallow in the mire
Try now we can only lose
And our love become a funeral pyre
Come on baby, light my fire
Come on baby, light my fire
Try to set the night on fire, yeah

You know that it would be untrue
You know that I would be a liar
If I was to say to you
Girl, we couldn't get much higher
Come on baby, light my fire
Come on baby, light my fire
Try to set the night on fire
Try to set the night on fire
Try to set the night on fire
Try to set the night on fire

Holy extrapolation (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598820)

batman.

Important: Can it be jailbroken? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598846)

Does it run Linux?

Very good numbers (1)

frinkster (149158) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598854)

50,000 pre-orders per day is very good, but comparing it to the iPad is just asking for trouble. Wait until we get closer to the actual release date. I highly doubt that daily iPad pre-orders were linear in the weeks leading up to the official release, just as I doubt daily Fire orders will be linear. There are six weeks to go. A lot can happen in six weeks!

Oblig. (2)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598938)

http://xkcd.com/605/ [xkcd.com]

"By your third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside of you."

Four dozen husbands (1)

naroom (1560139) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598956)

(Relevant xkcd [xkcd.com] )

Yep, want one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37598968)

And already preordered a Fire

Thinking about it (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#37598976)

I was thinking about getting my wife an iPad 2 for Christmas, but unless Apple has a fire sale on them to make way for an iPad 3, I think I'll get her an Amazon Fire instead. It costs a lot less, and will probably allow her to do most of the things she would want to do with the iPad 2. She already has an iPod Touch (current gen.), so she doesn't need a camera, etc. Hopefully though, this will force Apple to drop their price.

Re:Thinking about it (1)

bdenton42 (1313735) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599148)

If she really uses a iPod Touch she won't be happy with the Fire... "what do you mean I can't load all my iTunes and iApps?". If nothing else Apple has a lock on the ability to seamlessly move your stuff from one iDevice to the next that Android just doesn't do very well (yet?).

Re:Thinking about it (1)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599436)

I dunno, I'm with the OP on this one. Both the Fire and the iPod are small enough to carry together (especially when you carry a purse or bag all the time anyway), and not everyone wants to have every possible function integrated into one device. I have an iPhone, but I still carry my iPod because I don't want to run the battery in my phone dead listening to music. That, and I hate not being able to listen to something I want simply because my phone doesn't have enough space to hold the bulk of my music collection.

Re:Thinking about it (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599510)

If she really uses a iPod Touch she won't be happy with the Fire... "what do you mean I can't load all my iTunes and iApps?".

She uses the iPod Touch as a music player & for shooting videos of her dog. The fire would be used mostly for reading eBooks & browsing the web, which she does not use the iPod Touch for very often, so no big worries there. Besides, if she buys Kindle books she can always get them on the iPod Touch as well using the Kindle app.

Re:Thinking about it (1)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599324)

I ordered a Fire for my wife, all she really wants is an e-book reader with a web browser for e-mail, although I'm sure she'll find plenty of other uses for it once she gets it.

Want or not? Irrelevant - I can't have it (1)

dk90406 (797452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599000)

Ant or not? If is is locked down 100% and I only can run Amazon approved apps (like Silk), no thanks. If it is open to a reasonable degree and I can install the apps I want: yes.
But being from a Non-US country, I don't even have the choice.
I know better than to blame Amazon (entirely) - their whole concept is based on media, and they do not have license agreements in place globally. As they are selling at cost (or even a few $ loss) pr. device, I can understand they don't wan't be to buy until they can get their costs covered somehow.

Wait for deal on real Android tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599004)

For example, the Lenovo IdeaPad A1: a 7" true Android tablet, slots for microSD and full SD, usb slot, bluetooth, etc. all for $199. May not be available in the US right away, but it shows were things are going.

If you get a real Android tablet, you can read ePub and Kindle, and so much more. With a real tablet, you are not vendor locked. With a tablet, you don't have a device that is crippled.

Re:Wait for deal on real Android tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599322)

Yes, keep waiting for the next one, that might ship, that might be that cheap, that might not have some skin that doesn't work well, etc, etc, etc.

Here's a few other tablets that "could have been" then next 'real' tablet, but weren't.

http://technologizer.com/2011/09/30/ipad-alternatives-3/ [technologizer.com]

Amazon is right on this one (2)

bradasch (516015) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599040)

I think Amazon is being very clever with the Kindle Fire. It is a new device with tons of content readily available (more than iTunes, I believe), it is cheap and, most importantly, it is not a direct competitor to the iPad.

People who want (or don't mind) a 7" device will get the Kindle Fire. People who need a larger screen will go for the other tablets (mostly the iPad, these days).

I think the Kindle Fire will sell pretty well. And Apple will have someone else other than Samsung to get worried about.

How well does it work for scientific books? (2)

jps25 (1286898) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599062)

I'm curious about the Kindle but some reviews I've read on amazon claim that its display size and its weak zoom function make it useless for typical university books (mathematics, computer science).
I have no first-hand experience, so could someone here enlighten me whether it's a viable alternative to paper?

Re:How well does it work for scientific books? (1)

DaScribbler (701492) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599178)

eBooks in general aren't a viable alternative for textbooks, or any book designed for reference material. There's too much rapid back and forth page flipping during typical textbook use. Tablets/pads/desktops/laptops/dedicated devices/etc.. simply don't have a viable interface to replace the ease of three fingered page flipping, multiple reference books open at the same time for cross referencing, etc. IMHO, eBooks are only a viable replacement for linear/chronological reading (as in reading a novel).

Re:How well does it work for scientific books? (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599522)

I dont know... full text search is a big deal, as well as being able to carry hundreds of books all at once to make sure you always have the right one with you.

Re:How well does it work for scientific books? (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599280)

If you mean a regular Kindle, it's no good for text books. I love my Kindle, but e-ink just isn't good for that application. The Kindle Fire being described in the article, however, is a tablet computer with an LCD screen, and would probably work just fine in that role.

Re:How well does it work for scientific books? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599354)

I have a 3rd gen kindle, and it works great for novels -- lighter than a book, reads just as well. I read with it almost every night and don't charge it but once a month. I haven't used it to read a text book, but I've browsed web pages. Other than being reeeallly slow, it displayed them pretty well for a B&W screen. I'd imagine it would work well as long as the content was properly encoded for the Kindle -- that's usually the problem on the Kindle with illustrated books.

Re:How well does it work for scientific books? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599666)

Screen size is an issue. There's a reason most textbooks are physically large. The Kindle DX works around this to a degree but the resolution's not quite good enough for figures and equations.

Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599076)

I pre-ordered mine the day it was announced. I'm not sure if I actually want one yet, but it puts me first in the queue and I can always cancel it before it comes out. Plus, if there is a shortage it might find a place on ebay.

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599090)

...I do not want one. No Google API = no Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk (with video). No thanks.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599160)

The android gmail app is shit anyway. Just go log into gmail in the webbrowser.

Extrapolating initial pre-orders to sales is trick (1)

NameIsDavid (945872) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599098)

The original iPad racked up 100,000 preorders per day upon announcement, without any real preexisting tablet market to have stoked demand. The fact that it sold 1 million during the first month indicates that fulfilling these levels of orders for a complex product is tricky. Hopefully, since the Fire is based on the Playbook, they've been practicing production for a while.

Do I want one? (1)

3dr (169908) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599192)

No. For two reasons. Like somersault above, I already have a tablet for tablet-y things. I've tried reading with the Kindle app, and while the presentation is good, the glow from the screen strains my eyes. Also, battery life sucks for this purpose.

The second and more important reason is I wanted an e-ink display for a reader. A touch screen isn't very useful, either.

So what I ordered was the previous generation Kindle Keyboard as they call it now, with no ads. Small, great battery life, /and/ they had a refurbished one for $40 off, making the price $100.

Re:Do I want one? (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599576)

I've tried reading with the Kindle app, and while the presentation is good, the glow from the screen strains my eyes. Also, battery life sucks for this purpose.

While I agree with you, especially if you read for more than an hour a day, you might get better results switching to black background with white lettering. After a day at work staring at a PC screen, the last thing I want to do is try and read for leisure off of one (which is why I have an eInk reader) but I can do so comfortably for limited amounts of time by swapping the pallet. I know the Android Kindle app allows for swapping, and I'm pretty sure the Touchpad app does as well but that's all I have familiarity with.

Doesn't surprise me that much. (4, Interesting)

jimicus (737525) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599210)

Apple essentially reinvented the market for tablet devices with the iPad. Which is a premium product being sold by a company with a reputation for premium products at a premium price.

Virtually every other major manufacturer looked at it, thought "Hey, we can do something similar" and started selling their product for about the same price - give or take maybe 5-10%. The likes of HP discovered the hard way that they do not have a premium reputation. But the Touchpad sale proved that actually there's huge demand there if the product can be sold not 5-10% cheaper than the iPad, but 50-80%.

Given the development time these things take and the sort of notice you have to give to a big factory to get thousands of anything, Amazon have probably been thinking this for some time.

Re:Doesn't surprise me that much. (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599604)

But the Touchpad sale proved that actually there's huge demand there if the product can be sold not 5-10% cheaper than the iPad, but 50-80%.

Lots of uneconomical products sell if priced at less than 1/3rd the manufacturing cost. There'd be a Model S on every block by now if they sold for $12k. I'd have a 6 monitor setup on my desk at home if I could find one for $300. Not that I don't like my $99 Touchpad, but there's no way I would have dropped $350 for the device.

Pre-Ordered on day 1 (2)

The Joe Kewl (532609) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599226)

I placed my pre-order on day 1, however if there isn't a way to browse the internet WITHOUT Silk, I won't use it much at all.

Given the fact that it is an Android device, I have faith that it will be hacked fairly quickly, and you will be able to do almost anything with it anyways!

still waiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599364)

The color kindle is the first one I consided. I want a bigger screen though. Give me a 10" or 11" color kindlr for under $300 and I'll consider it.

Technology will hit that price point eventually. Till hen I could care less. I bought my first GPS unit when it hit $100. I could care less to pay $400 for what is basically a fancy calculator. Remember, those things when first introduced were hundreds of dollars.

Do you want one, or not? (1)

rec9140 (732463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599512)

Nope.

Not a tablet

No GPS

No camera(s)

No cellular data (CDMA, LTE, UMTS, GSM)

Not a true Android device, as its been adulterated with a custom UI, and browser

Not interested in purchasing media books or any thing like that, so it essentially

Serves no purpose for me.....

If some one comes up with a away to put a Custom ROM with a stock Android on it to allow it to function as a true tablet fine.

All I can say is there are a lot of suckers out there.

Wake me up... (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599538)

...when you guys have shoehorned Android onto it!

Before you go go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37599698)

...when you guys have shoehorned Android onto it!

Android's already on it. Albeit a version that will be replaced with one that takes better advantage of the hardware.

No one NEEEDS an iPAD (1)

Oswald McWeany (2428506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37599560)

I see valid use for an iPad. I see it being usefull in the office.

However, no-one NEEDS a personal iPad- it is little more than a status symbol toy which does things that most owners of iPads already have tools that do each of the tasks better.

That's where a $200 device can whack them. For the average Joe who doesn't have the funds or the desire for a status symbol... doesn't care if he doesn't look cool by not having an Apple- he can get the toy that most people probably can save up for without meaning baby gets no shoes.

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