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HP Investigates Android TouchPads Delivered With Android

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the prank-or-mistake dept.

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angry tapir writes "HP is investigating how several TouchPads reportedly shipped to end users running Android, instead of webOS. Shortly after HP announced it would stop selling TouchPads and began offering the remaining tablets for US$99, reports surfaced from a few users who say they received TouchPads that run Android instead of HP's webOS software. At the same time, developers have been working on porting Android to the TouchPad, since it's uncertain how much support and development HP will dedicate to webOS in the future."

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Hey! (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#37624970)

Where can I get one? That would SERIOUSLY make the money worth it....

Re:Hey! (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625038)

I think that the hacking community has already dumped the disk image and is furiously reverse-engineering it, so you might be able to just get a webOS Touchpad and upgrade in future.

Re:Hey! (1)

mehrotra.akash (1539473) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625252)

Cant a bitwise copy be made onto other touchpads?

Re:Hey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625446)

It should be possible, but long(er) term support requires either HP/Qualcomm supplying the code, or reverse engineering of the device specific drivers to be able to port newer Android versions to the touchpad.

Bitwise copy not good (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37629960)

It could be, but the thing is, when they reflash the thing with WebOS, they also reflash the touchscreen controller with some other very dumb firmware (from a very advanced one). As such when you run dumped android on a regular touchpad, the touchscreen does not work.
Now reflashing that touchscreen controller with the advanced firmware is problematic, as there is no real easy recover mode from failures and no way to flash webos-friendly TS firmware either.

Re:Hey! (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625766)

That really depends on what version of Android it was and whether it contains enough generic Android to have a post-Honeycomb system built upon it.

The Google Android developers forum thread on the subject does contain comments implying that the Android version shipped may be a version used at the factory to test the hardware. This would imply a heavily customized version, and wouldn't imply anything else (ie it could be pre-Froyo, and could be barely usable.)

I would want to know more about what was shipped before making any assumptions about how useful the system might be, to me or reverse engineers, or indeed, whether it's a prank.

Wrong title? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37624978)

Shouldn't the title says "HP Investigates WebOS TouchPads Delivered With Android"?

Re:Wrong title? (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625014)

HP delivered Touchpad tablets running Android OS (Android Touchpads), but they accidentally also delivered a humanoid automaton (Android) too.

Re:Wrong title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625034)

No that would be logical....

Re:Wrong title? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625076)

The submission title was just "HP investigates Android Touchpads", apparently. Editing at its finest.

Re:Wrong title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625148)

Well, to be fair, that was a shitty title also. While no one has ever read TFA on slashdot, these days few people even read TFS, and if it had been published with that title we would have had dozens of morons filling up the comments with "Fuck HP, they have no right to tell me what I can install on my TouchPad" completely ignoring the fact that the tablets were actually shipped with Android preinstalled.

Re:Wrong title? (0)

cornface (900179) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625154)

I actually had some small measure of hope that with Taco out of the way that slashdot's corporate masters might actually begin enforcing some sort of minimal standards.

The only solution now is to start firing the "editors" one by one until quality improves or nothing gets posted, which is its own sort of improvement.

Re:Wrong title? (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626442)

If you look at redundant, it says to "See redundant"

Re:Wrong title? (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627208)

That's the entry for recursion, here's redundant:

Re-dun-dant (adjective)

1. characterized by verbosity or unnecessary repetition in expressing ideas;

2. expression of ideas characterized by unnecessary repetition or verbosity;

3. characterized by unnecessary repetition or verbosity in expressing ideas;

4, expression of ideas characterized by verbosity or unnecessary repetition;

Re:Wrong title? (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625166)

Shouldn't the title says "HP Investigates WebOS TouchPads Delivered With Android"?

or just "HP Investigates TouchPads Delivered With Android"

Re:Wrong title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37635678)

Shouldn't the title says "HP Investigates WebOS TouchPads Delivered By Android"?

fixed.
0. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

That's why it got Android installed on it in lieu of the original.

(oh sh*t, must remember to post anonymous)

Oh Shit! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625004)

They accidentally sold a product with value. That runs counterpoint to their business plan.

Re:Oh Shit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37635724)

Yes, we should just continue to publish "tales from inside HP", aka Dilbert.

Previous returns sold as new most likely (2)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625020)

They didn't ship with Android. They likely shipped with WebOS and had Android installed later. Or perhaps someone was hacking with Android behind the scenes and test units got sent out for sale. I would be more inclined to think these were previously returned and repackaged for sale as new.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (3, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625132)

The "Android Touchpads" that were delivered were actually in a much more advanced state (e.g. the touchscreen worked) than the Touchpad hacking scene had achieved.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625294)

The "Android Touchpads" that were delivered were actually in a much more advanced state (e.g. the touchscreen worked) than the Touchpad hacking scene had achieved.

Is there any evidence of this? I suspect it's more likely reports from people who mistook WebOS for Android, since there are several similar visual traits between the two. I'm welcome to be proven wrong, but if sheer stupidity can come into play, then I'll place my money on that almost every single time.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625548)

Well, it could have all been faked, but there was a video (more than one, actually) that was quite convincing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmpmlOpvoC0 and in addition, some of the people who got such devices dumped the code and it was Android.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625890)

So they can at least extract the binaries off them and offer them for other people to install (breaching the GPL, but who's going to sue?). Getting the source would be even more interesting, of course.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37626100)

So they can at least extract the binaries off them and offer them for other people to install (breaching the GPL, but who's going to sue?). Getting the source would be even more interesting, of course.

Already been done.

http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?3692-DUMP-Android-2.2.1-Dump-from-HP-TouchPad-Team-TouchDroid-and-Jiwanish

It was the only thing that actually came out of Team Touchdroid before RHCP was caught stealing code from CM... and RHCP had nothing to do with the dumping of the Android off one of the Touchpads. But yeah, this was done about 6 weeks ago. Almost as soon as one of the Android units was first found.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37626006)

Wrong.

Units DID ship with Android.

They had Qualcomm factory testing software on them. This is NOT something you could end up with on the unit simply by hacking Android on the units.

These units had internal-only apps on them. That's why all this is a big deal.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626222)

They didn't ship with Android. They likely shipped with WebOS and had Android installed later.

No it's real, here's a video from August 25th, only days after the $99 sale [youtube.com] and long before anyone was working on bringing Android to the Touchpad. [pcworld.com] Here's a different video of Android on Touchpad uploaded August 22nd [youtube.com] and a third video. [youtube.com]

So where's the ROM? Who's the selfish @#$%& sitting there with Android for the Touchpad but refuses to upload it so the rest of us can enjoy it? If you're too stupid to know how to rip a image then get on a developers forum for instructions or post on craigslist, I'm sure someone within 50 miles would know how to copy the image off the device and torrent it, it would save the porting team a lot of time rather than re-invent what already exists.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626398)

Here's one on eBay from August 28th with link to video. [ebay.com]

Didn't sell because seller thought it was worth $1,800 (LOL), but seller does have reasonable feedback and has been a member since 2002, it would be foolish to sell a fake Android running Touchpad on eBay and risk losing their account, but people do dumb things for $1800 so who knows, but I would trust a eBay auction from a long time seller with good feedback far more than I would a random Youtube video.

Re:Previous returns sold as new most likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628092)

Please don’t talk unless you know what you’re talking about. They are not repackaged and sold as new since the CyanogenMod or Touchdroid team had not even started work on a Android port yet. Please use google before you post.

oh, wow, (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625064)

BURN!

That's a shame, I've been playing around with one of the $99 touchpads, and have to say, from the user experience, webOS seems pretty nice.

WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (2)

h00manist (800926) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625086)

Funny how the debate is between Linux-1 and Linux-2. Would be good if most Linux apps ran on most Linux OS's.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625306)

Linux is a kernel, not an application framework

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37631260)

Yes, Linux is a kernel, but it is not a microkernel but a monolithic kernel. And did you know that monolithic kernel is synonym with Operating System?

Linux, in other words, Linux Kernel is a monolithic operating system.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625498)

Power Wheels or Tesla, electric vehicles are all the same.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625874)

Google started the debate by taking the Linux kernel, forking it, and dropping an incompatible user space on it. Now the FOSS Linux user space has to compete with a non-FOSS user space, that happens to be backed by the marketing and advertising revenue of Google.

Google is, unfortunately, the outlier here. And it causes problems for the rest of the Linux world.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (3, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626050)

Last time I looked, the Android user space is Apache licensed, and the Apache license is FOSS...

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626188)

Perhaps the term FOSS is bad, as all Free software is Open Source but not all Open Source software is Free.

That said, the AOSP is OSS (but not Free, as it can be closed) and at this point, the most current version of Android is totally closed. And it's still largely incompatible with the rest of the Linux world.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626488)

Just as someone can copy Android and make a closed version (including Google), the same is true of OpenBSD. I *dare* you to tell Theo that he's producing a non-free operating system!

I consider an operating system whose users are granted certain rights to be free, regardless of whether someone can make their own proprietary version. Should the latter happen, it's the proprietary fork that's non-free, not the original version.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628074)

His definition of "Free" and mine differ, obviously, so my making such a statement would be to deliberately confuse the issue.

I consider an operating system whose users are granted certain rights to be free, regardless of whether someone can make their own proprietary version. Should the latter happen, it's the proprietary fork that's non-free, not the original version.

And I consider software that can end up in users hands in a closed state with restrictions piled on top non-Free. Again, it depends on what you consider to be "free" and, as we can see, that is pretty diverse.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626414)

I'm pretty sure webOS doesn't run a GNU userland either. Now, Maemo does (and I assume Meego does too) - albeit with that awful Busybox crap, but even then, would you want to run Maemo apps under Android or vice versa? Without making one OS a clone of the other (which would defeat the purpose of having two operating systems in the first place) it'd get fairly nasty very quickly.

I'd also take issue with your description of Android as having a non-FOSS userspace. With the exception of Honeycomb (which is a one off, and not something Google actually wants adopted long term), and optional libraries to access Google's own services (hardly part of the user space) every part of Android is open source, generally licensed either under the GPL or Apache licence. If you don't believe me, download it, and see for yourself.

Re:WebOS Linux or Android Linux? (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#37632324)

Linux app? There are very few native Linux apps on Android. Android are written in Java and run on the Dalvik [wikimedia.org] framework.

The only thing even remotely Linuxy about Android is the kernel. Even if you install a terminal emulator it's practically useless with only a small set of the normal commands installed, typically not even "su" until you root the phone.

Android != Linux in the way Ubuntu = Linux or Red Hat = Linux

Make use of the software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625238)

A bit OT, but cant the OS be extracted and loaded onto other Touchpads so that everyone who wants to can get a fully functional Android on their touchpads? Also, can only the drivers be extracted from this image? (so that Touchpad+new versions of Android also work)?

So I guess... (1)

UncHellMatt (790153) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625300)

Sup dawg, I herd you like Android, so I put an Android in your Android so you can Android while you Android.

OK, now I feel dirty.

As noted, do they ship refurbs? Ages ago while working for a computer retailer, we once had a Mac that someone took home which had been "re-imaged" by our service department... And when the customer got it home, it booted into BeOS. Not that I would have turned my nose up to it back then, it was a 9600 with "tons" of RAM (512, remember those days? If you had 256 people would come from far and wide just to touch your screen).

Re:So I guess... (3, Interesting)

wren337 (182018) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625394)

Apparently they have an internal working android port, and the community is requesting the source code (per the license). If it can be shown that HP shipped android, even accidentally, then they need to provide the source on request.

Re:So I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625580)

Only for the kernel. The rest of Android from the libc up was written by Google specifically because they didn't want it under the GPL.

Re:So I guess... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625686)

The license of Android is Apache 2.0 which has no such requirement.

Re:So I guess... (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625746)

To follow, unless someone can prove that they patched the kernel HP doesn't have to release jack.

Re:So I guess... (1)

dririan (1131339) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627692)

That is patently false. You still have to distribute source if you distribute binaries, patched or not. Conveying binaries means you must also provide source (through one of several ways). Just saying "we use unmodified Linux 3.0.4" is not enough, either.

Re:So I guess... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625756)

Apparently they have an internal working android port, and the community is requesting the source code (per the license). If it can be shown that HP shipped android, even accidentally, then they need to provide the source on request.

Maybe not. "Accidental" shipping is not necessarily a distribution or conveyance (per the license). The legal system actually understands that sometimes "mistakes happen" and that there are other remedies. As with much else, the specific details will matter should it get to the courts. HP is clearly positioning itself as having never (knowingly) distributed an Android touchpad. It would not surprise me to learn that it was one of their contract manufacturers that made some error. Regardless that some would prefer that HP (or Qualcomm) release the codes, the likely remedy by HP would be to replace the device as it would be considered defective (i.e. it was not shipped with WebOS).

Re:So I guess... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625800)

And even if they were held to it, they only have to release any patches to the kernel. Which means drivers won't get released nor any changes to Android itself. So they will almost nothing of real value.

Re:So I guess... (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626162)

If it can be shown that HP shipped android, even accidentally, then they need to provide the source on request.

Hmm. I don't think this is quite right; they also have the option to stop offering the product. Since it's not a product they offer, that shouldn't be a problem.

Re:So I guess... (1)

dririan (1131339) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627746)

Even if they stop offering it, people still got binaries that are GPL'd. They still have a right to get the source; the license doesn't stop taking effect when the company stops distributing the binaries, the license is perpetual. Hence you can't remove the GPL from your work and sue people using the latest GPL'd version under the GPL. The courts would likely simply grant an injunction if this ever went to court, but the point is that the GPL requires them to provide source, even if they stop distributing it.

Re:So I guess... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629872)

Have not looked at GPLv3 but in GPLv2 ceasing distribution of the GPL-licensed code was a remedy to violation.

Re:So I guess... (1)

dririan (1131339) | more than 2 years ago | (#37630858)

If you're right, then I apologize. The FSF states that they must provide source (with no other options mentioned, including ceasing distribution), but I wouldn't put it past them to exaggerate the truth (or omit relevant facts) to "further the cause of freedom."

Re:So I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37641606)

Apparently they have an internal working android port, and the community is requesting the source code (per the license). If it can be shown that HP shipped android, even accidentally, then they need to provide the source on request.

they arent requesting android souce, theyre trying to get kernel source.

Heard that HP tests all TouchPads with Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37625796)

A friend of mine in the Bay area heard from a contact of his that HP first tested all TouchPads with Android before the flash of WebOS prior to shipment. I know that this is only anecdotal hearsay and that I can't substantiate it, but if true it would explain how a few TouchPads running Android could get out in the wild.

Accidentally Shipped? (1)

Guppy (12314) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625836)

Considering that the WebOS team at HP is facing almost certain doom, I think it's more likely a disgruntled (or altruistic) engineer somewhere inside decide to slip a few units out the door. If nothing else, to make sure their work didn't go completely to waste.

Re:Accidentally Shipped? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625860)

The disgruntled engineers are on the other side of the Pacific ocean from the people that are making the actual Touchpads.

Disturbing (1)

Pirow (777891) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625854)

It might just be me, but I find this rather disturbing, an incorrect OS on a device is a pretty obvious mistake to spot, if HP can accidentally ship TouchPads running an OS they never intended to release then surely there's a real risk of them shipping PCs, servers or switches preloaded with rootkits/backdoors that are designed to be well hidden?

Maybe I've just been wearing my tinfoil hat for too long though!

Re:Disturbing (1)

DMFNR (1986182) | more than 2 years ago | (#37634710)

You're right, and this is one of the big risks of having the majority of our consumer electronics being manufactured overseas. In this case it's pretty obvious that HP did absolutely no quality control testing on the software on these specific Touchpads, they could have shipped with absolutely anything on them and nobody would have noticed until it got to the end user. Something designed to hide in the background might never be discovered. There's so many risks that go along with these kind of things that a lot of people never think about. Now I'm sure in most enterprise environments the workstations and servers are loaded with whatever image they use in house, but that doesn't even guard against modifications on lower levels than the OS. Hell, my USB mouse could be sending my hard drive contents to China right now, I have no idea. So many peripherals come loaded with closed source firmware, there's really no way we would be able to reverse engineer all of it and try to figure out what's going on.

I guess all we can do as consumers is hope for the best, and try not to worry seeing as most of us probably don't do anything important enough for anyone else to care about aside from cyber criminals out to steal CC info or whatever, but I hope corporations and governments are a hell of a lot more paranoid when it comes to vetting their kit.

What's the big mystery? (0)

CimmerianX (2478270) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625904)

So a bunch of people bought the thing, loaded android, then returned it. The store/reseller just repackaged it and resold it. I don't understand what the big fuss is about. I've bought SNES games before that still have previous save game data on it.... so this isn't the 1st time someone returned something after messing with it.

Re:What's the big mystery? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37626084)

The mystery is that no one else had Android working on the Touchpad (except in the most rudimentary state). The teams that are busy porting Android to the Touchpad are actually basing their work on system dumps taken from these mystery Android Touchpads that were released into the wild.

Right now the most plausible explanation is some development HP Touchpads that already had Android on them got out. HP apparently thinks this is the case.

Re:What's the big mystery? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37626342)

Although there has been some work put into getting Android onto the Touchpad, the hacking community hasn't been very successful. In other words, these Touchpads were obviously not the product of 'a bunch of people' fucking with the device and returning it. Nice bullshit guess, though.

Don't add more closed source eh? (2)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37625972)

The Cyanogen team would be foolish to even look at the dumped ROM from these tablets. It sounds like they really want the drivers for things like the video and bluetooth, which are likely closed source binaries. That would make them no better than any other company violating the GPL.

It's kind of ironic that they are trying to strong arm HP and Qualcomm using legal tactics into releasing code that they never intended to release. (Yes in many ways using GPLd code is like poisoning your project). Even if it was a compiled driver that they intended to installed on tablets they sold, they are still under no obligation to release anything unless it was based on GPL'd code.

Re:Don't add more closed source eh? (2)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626214)

That would make them no better than any other company violating the GPL.

Only if they redistributed them. But with Bluetooth it's almost always a firmware issue (which could be had from any existing Touchpad.) You're probably right about the graphics drivers (the disaster there we can thank Google for.)

Yes in many ways using GPLd code is like poisoning your project

Bullshit. If you wander into using GPL'd sources for something without knowing what its terms are, you are a fool.

Re:Don't add more closed source eh? (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 2 years ago | (#37635906)

That would make them no better than any other company violating the GPL.

Only if they redistributed them. But with Bluetooth it's almost always a firmware issue (which could be had from any existing Touchpad.) You're probably right about the graphics drivers (the disaster there we can thank Google for.)

Yes in many ways using GPLd code is like poisoning your project

Bullshit. If you wander into using GPL'd sources for something without knowing what its terms are, you are a fool.

My point was that decompiling a proprietary binary, and then releasing it as GPL is just as bad as taking GPL and rolling it into your proprietary binary. It doesn't matter if they redistribute or develop their own drivers after that, because the case can be made (and has been made in other instances such as wine) that they didn't develop their version entirely on their own. The cyanogen team should take care not to expose themselves to anything not obtained properly least the rightful owners of that IP sue them.

As for GPL being poison, try looking at it from the perspective of a company whose employee cheated and incorporated any GPL'd code into your product. Down the road, when the open source community figures it out and starts demanding you release your source code, you'll be wishing your employee had stayed away from it.

More likely... (1)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626030)

It's more likely (or at least possibly) a case of "let's see if we can get HP to cough up their Android code for the Touchpad". Step 1: Claim HP shipped Touchpads with Android. Step 2: Tell HP that this obligates them to share the code. Step 3: Hope HP complies.

not touchpads (0)

nazsco (695026) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626068)

Search for touchpad on sites like wallmart.

It will show only Chinese android tablets.

Sum that with clueless people trying to find the 99 tablet bargain.

Re:not touchpads (2)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626560)

They're bought from HP, shipped from HP, come in an HP Touchpad box and are clearly actually HP Touchpads. And you have somehow decided that they are off-brand Android tablets bought from Wal-mart.

Do you make a game out of drawing conclusions from the most incorrect information possible?

Re:not touchpads (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37630288)

Sounds like the time I paid for Ashley Dupre, but ended up with your mom.

Missing the point (1)

MrSmith0011000100110 (1344879) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626238)

I think some people have it wrong or just missed the part where there is not an absolutely fully functional working version of android for the HP Touchpad. So a modder could've loaded CM7 on the tablet but it wouldn't be running as if it came from a factory(or maybe it could, I've had some crappy tabs before). Besides that point, if there's no video/proof that this happened, then it's yet another internet rumor as far as I'm concerned.

Support is uncertain? (1)

phorest (877315) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627032)

it's uncertain how much support and development HP will dedicate to webOS in the future.

Who says they're even supporting them now?
The web browser is seriously broken and I don't expect them to fix it.
Last I looked there aren't any viable replacements either.
You can't save a login and visited links do not work.
When you hit the back-button instead of going back to your place from memory, it renavigates back to the server.

Hey, for 149.00 that was what it was worth.

Damn! How'd that happen? (2)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627040)

I guess they'll have to fire the CEO.

Re:Damn! How'd that happen? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628220)

I picked up a $99 touchpad and found WebOS really a great operating system, far more polished than android is today and certainly more than android was on launch. Its really a beautiful tablet OS, hope it finds a home somewhere.

If HP knew they had a few Android Touchpads.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37629294)

The Android Touchpads would have been discounted to only $199, where they would have sold out in hours, like the wonky Touchpads.

Everybody ONdroid ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37629624)

I thought this is HP's

'Everybody Ondroid' marketing campaign...

I have a Touchpad, have been following the issue (1)

Chirs (87576) | more than 2 years ago | (#37630004)

The current speculation is that the folks at Qualcomm have been using the Touchpad as a reference design as it uses their CPU, and have been working on Android support internally.

The suspicion is that some Touchpads made it out into the wild with this testing version of Android installed.

Drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37632778)

I believe the source request is mostly to add driver support for the various hardware in the Touchpad. Cyanogenmod currently is running a newer version of Android (2.3.5) on the Touchpad than the version that shipped on those few units (2.2.2)

I don't believe HP is obliged to share the source for those drivers unless it can be shown that the drivers were based off of existing GPL code. The dump of the build that leaked out into the wild may shed light on whether those drivers are derived from GPL code or not. That's the sticky part in this.

HP may not even have the source to this build if it was internal at Qualcomm.

I like WebOS (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#37632926)

I have a $99 touchpad and for what it is worth I think webos is perfectly okay. I won't be putting android on it.

Re:I like WebOS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37635334)

Enjoy your 4 applications.

Only one solution... (1)

pdxChris (162827) | more than 2 years ago | (#37633274)

Dear me, that's quite the goof. They should have used a Microsoft Access database to keep track of which OS to install on each device.

Current status of Android Port (2)

TrueSpeed (576528) | more than 2 years ago | (#37635372)

From the rootzwiki site here is what is working and what is not working. As you can see they are very close to releasing a beta.

WORKING
Android USB gadget with adb
LVM in Android
Touchscreen with multitouch
GPU acceleration
Proper pixel format(color).
Sound via speakers
WiFi
Accelerometer
Battery reporting

NOT WORKING
Video playback via overlay
Camera
Bluetooth
Gyroscope
Compass

Promotion or Dump (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37652132)

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe HP dumped the HP Touchpad on thousands of users to promote their WebOS software. It makes complete sense to me that if you dump a product at a lost on thousands of people you can judge the future of said product.

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