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Searching For Mark Pilgrim

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the privacy-vs-curiosity dept.

Books 89

First time accepted submitter microphage writes "Mark Pilgrim, author of many 'Dive into ...' books and guides, has — as the saying now goes — 'committed infosuicide,' which happily isn't like the real sort. Except it affects the info that you've created. Let's hope Dive Into HTML5 has some sort of permanence."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37626730)

for first post...

committed "infosuicide"... (1, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627024)

So what. It's his life, and he can live it as he chooses.
Nobody can blame him for wanting to escape the incipient idiocracy of facebook/twitter/etc.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627158)

So what. It's his life, and he can live it as he chooses.
Nobody can blame him for wanting to escape the incipient idiocracy of facebook/twitter/etc.

So instead we drag his cyber-carcass to /.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (3, Informative)

Graymalkin (13732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627168)

Deleting your Facebook and Twitter accounts is one thing, setting every website you've ever worked on to return HTTP 410 errors is something different entirely. Mark decided to take all his balls and go home and made damn sure you knew he was going.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628970)

Also I appreciate how his own website is the 2nd hit on google for "http 410".

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (4, Insightful)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629468)

From TFA:

Mark Pilgrim is alive/annoyed we called the police.

Annoyed? Annoyed?! Really?

"Please stand down and give the man privacy and space, and thanks everyone for caring.

He had that already. Switch of the computer; mute the phone. If he'd cared enough to give some indication of his intention, then he wouldn't have had to be "annoyed" by the police checking on him. It certainly doesn't sound like the man himself is saying "thanks everyone for caring" here...

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37635380)

Yeah, I can see 'annoyed'. "OMFG," screeched the fanbois, "he's deleting his stuff and not answering strangers' unsolicited requests for an explanation -- someone call the cops!"

Your last paragraph says (literally) that the mob spun themselves up until they called the cops because he didn't consider their feelings. To channel a predecessor to the in-progress Shatner QnA, a whole bunch of you need to get a life.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37631636)

Found him!

<style type="text/css">
mark.pilgrim {
display:inline;
}
</style>

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

wiedzmin (1269816) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628050)

Maybe he just decided to take the free resource online and publish it as an income-generating book?

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629708)

Maybe he just decided to take the free resource online and publish it as an income-generating book?

Then he probably should have chosen a different copyright license for his works.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629924)

It might still generate income. Especially in the tech industry, a surprising number of free online books have paid dead-tree versions.

Re:committed "infosuicide"... (1)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | more than 2 years ago | (#37631908)

It can generate income for the publisher, but not for the author. The publisher has no obligation to pay the author any cut.

Commentary on Archive Team? (1)

ebunga (95613) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626756)

Maybe this is commentary on Archive Team?

I Certainly Hope He's Not Gone (3, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#37626760)

I reviewed his book for Slashdot when it came out and it got an 8/10 [slashdot.org] because it needed more details (not entirely his fault that HTML5 was still being implemented).

I do recall he was great at mixing in humor and entertainment into an otherwise dry and toilsome subject matter so may I say that I sincerely hope he hasn't given up on technical aspirations. At the time that book was one of the best general resources out there for HTML5. I'm sad that his github repo for the book may only exist at mirrors now.

From a comment on the article:

His GitHub projects have been mirrored:

https://github.com/diveintomark [github.com]

Dive Into Python 3
Online: http://diveintopython3.ep.io/ [diveintopython3.ep.io]
GitHub: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3 [github.com]

Dive Into HTML5
Online: http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/ [diveintohtml5.ep.io]
GitHub: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5 [github.com]

Re:I Certainly Hope He's Not Gone (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627096)

About 8 years ago, I bought "Diving Into Python" (after reading a review here on Slashdot, I believe), and agree about his ability to make things interesting and amusing at the same time. Ah, well. Good luck to him.

Re:I Certainly Hope He's Not Gone (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#37631698)

His "feedparser" site is down, but the software is still at Google Code [google.com] , and there are other maintainers.

You know people get tired of being "godlike". (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627120)

More power to you Mark! Maybe he just wants a simple existence. (Admittedly this essay is overkill)

There was a Master come unto earth, born in the holy land of Indiana, raised in the mystical hills of East Wayne.

The Master learned of this world in the public schools of Indiana, and as he grew, in his trade of a mechanic of automobiles.

But the Master had learnings from other lands and other schools, from other lives that he had lived. He remembered these, and remembering became wise and strong, so that others saw his strength and came to him for counsel.

The Master believed that he had power to help himself and all mankind, and as he believed so it was for him, so that others saw his power and came to him to be healed of their troubles and their many diseases.

The Master believed that it was well for any man to think upon himself as a son of God, and as he believed, so it was, and the shops and garages where he worked became crowded and jammed with those who sought his learning and his touch, and the streets outside with those who longed only that the shadow of his passing might fall upon them, and change their lives.

It came to pass, because of the crowds, that the several foremen and shop managers bid the Master to leave his tools and go his way, for so tightly was he thronged that neither he nor other mechanics had room to work upon the automobiles.

So it was that he went into the countryside, and people following began to call him Messiah, and worker of miracles; and as they believed, it was so.

If a storm passed as he spoke, not a raindrop touched the listeners head; the last of the multitude heard his words as clearly as the first, no matter lightening nor thunder in the sky about. And always he spoke to them in parables.

And he said unto them, “within each of us lies the power of our consent to health and sickness, to riches and to poverty, to freedom and to slavery. It is we who control these, and not another.”

A mill-man spoke and said, “easy words for you, Master, for you are guided as we are not, and need not toil as we toil. A man has to work for his living in this world.”

The Master answered and said, “Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river.

The current of the river swept silently over them all – young and old, rich and poor, good and evil, the current going its own way, knowing only its own crystal self.

Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current what each had learned from birth.

But one creature said at last, ‘I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom.’

The other creatures laughed and said, ‘Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumble and smashed across the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom.’

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks.

Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger cried, ‘See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the Messiah, come to save us all!

And the one carried in the current said, ‘I am no more a Messiah than you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure.’

But they cried the more, ‘Savior!’ all the while clinging to the rocks, and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a Savior.

And it came to pass when he saw that the multitude thronged him the more day on day, tighter and closer and fiercer than ever they had, when he saw that they pressed him to heal them without rest, and feed them always with his miracles, to learn for them and to live their lives, he went alone that day unto a hilltop apart, and there he prayed.

And he said in his heart, Infinite Radiant Is, if it be thy will, let this cup pass from me, let me lay aside this impossible task.
I cannot live the life of one other soul, yet ten thousand cry to me for life.
I’m sorry I allowed it all to happen. If it be thy will, let me go back to my engines and my tools and let me live as other men.

And a voice spoke to him on the hilltop, a voice neither male nor female, loud nor soft, a voice infinitely kind. And the voice said unto him, “Not my will, but thine be done. For what is thy will is mine for thee. Go thy way as other men, and be thou happy on the earth.”

And hearing the Master was glad, and gave thanks, and came down from the hilltop humming a little mechanics song. And when the thronged pressed him with its woes, beseeching him to heal for it and learn for it and feed it nonstop from his understanding and to entertain it with his wonders, he smiled upon the multitude and said pleasantly unto them, “I quit.”

For a moment the multitude was stricken dumb with astonishment.

And he said unto them, “If a man told God that he wanted most of all to help the suffering world, no matter the price to himself, and God answered and told him what he must do, should the man do as he is told?”

“Of course Master!” cried the many. “It should be pleasure for him to suffer the tortures of hell itself, should God ask it!”

“No matter what these tortures, nor how difficult the task?”

“Honor to be hanged, glory to be nailed to a tree and burned, if so be that God has asked, ” said they.

“And what would you do,” the Master said unto the multitude, “if God spoke directly to your face and said, ‘I COMMAND THAT YOU BE HAPPY IN THE WORLD AS LONG AS YOU LIVE.’ What would you do then?”

And the multitude was silent, not a voice not a sound was heard upon the hillsides, across the valleys where they stood.

And the Master said unto the silence, “In the path of our happiness shall we find the learning for which we have chosen this lifetime. So it is that I have learned this day, and choose to leave you now to walk your own path, as you please.”

And he went his way through the crowds and left them, and he returned to the everyday world of men and machines.

Richard Bach.. Illusions

-1 Richard Bach is a wanker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628262)

Please, let us forget the Seventies.

Re:-1 Richard Bach is a wanker (1)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706882)

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"

Trust me. You don't really want to repeat the 1970s ... or the 1980s ... and especially not the 2000s.

I was just looking for "Dive Into Python 3" (1)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627336)

I had just started on "Dive Into Python 3" about a week ago, and yesterday I was going to re-download the zip file with the PDF of the book and the example programs on a virtual machine, when I discovered his site was down. Fortunately, I had the file elsewhere. I figured the site was down because of a temporary glitch.

Incidentally, I had planned to order a physical copy of the book, but from the reviews on Amazon, the printing of "Dive Into Python 3" is of extraordinarily poor quality, with incorrect rendering of much of the source code, so that one is better off sticking to the free PDF. I hope it remains available for a while.

It doesn't sound like there's an explanation yet for why he did this.

My theory: (5, Funny)

gblues (90260) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627368)

I blame a bad encounter with one of his cousin Scott's evil exes.

Goodbye. And Hello. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627632)

I know you are out there. I know you will "never" read this. That's ok with me.

I understand your move, Mark. You don't know me from Adam, but that's ok to - I completely understand. I've been at that edge, but haven't had the courage to step off and see if I will leap to the next building, or merely hit the ground.

I applaud you for taking that step. For you, it's a brave new world, and one that many here won't get. Still, it's all good.

Some of use are still "stuck" here, with commitments, but we're working diligently on it. It takes time for those who don't understand to come around and understand what you are doing. Sometimes, insight is a bigger bitch than karma.

I appreciate the inspiration you have given to me and many others, especially when you were Juggling Oranges. The insight you gave wrapped years of concepts that I had in head into succinct words that laid bare assumptions made, and the folly of it. Yesterday, the person who spearheaded some that folly passed; but so many don't mourn the husband/father/man that was lost, rather just his work. Yet you see this clearly.

I have taken a liberty that would most likely annoy you - to capture a cached copy of those Oranges and save it off-line, but only because I keep it to remind myself of how vapid things can be, and what real meaning should be. It's hard to achieve what you have done, and some of us need to have gentle reminders of what is real, and what is realpolitik. No, I don't read it online. Yes, I print it. And most likely, will frame it. It will join the others I have - The Last Viridian Essay, Rails is a Ghetto, and several others, all meant as reminders of the folly of being human. Thank you for that gift.

We are proud of you. Go forth, overcome and absorb the real enemy (within), and be at peace.

Re:Goodbye. And Hello. (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37637330)

I understand your move, Mark. You don't know me from Adam, but that's ok to - I completely understand. I've been at that edge, but haven't had the courage to step off and see if I will leap to the next building, or merely hit the ground.

What a bunch of wank.

Ha... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627672)

This is all a marketing ploy for his forthcoming book "dive into HTTP 410", a self-help guide for anyone with a social networking account or those who host email with Google.

Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (0)

Web Goddess (133348) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627744)

This baffling story is raw inspiration. The suicide of one's online self is a serious event. Do you suppose, if Mark began again, he would create another space of vision and beauty? Of course. A new vision.

He was (?) singularly poised at a wrinkle-in-time to become Our Voice. Yet, our wins are our losses. We lose the ability to hear the muse. Sometimes one cannot even see the new task, when there is clamor (hands vibrate and wave) loud eddies that distract from the quiet voice of curiosity.

Mark will find the muse again, find his new task, and may each of us ( me least of all ) seek a location where we can hear the muse most clearly.

Love, attention, bliss.

Quiet.

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627790)

What the fuck are you talking about?

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627952)

I'm pretty sure whatever it is, it involves a bong.

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (1)

kuiperbelt (2427618) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628606)

It's not often I genuinely laugh out loud at a comment, so I congratulate you heartily on making me do so!

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37709736)

I'm pretty sure whatever it is, it involves a bong.

Holy shit, mod this 5-funny!

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628004)

...apparently, understanding, when one has become a Voice people ask you questions, and the many future things you can/should/will become are simmering unattended, and this loud noise, kerfluffle of people with questions that they could easily answer from merely reading your books... it drains, consumes, clamors.

One might feel one was suddenly standing on a ledge and seeing buildings (Idea Stacks) you know you can reach, having learned that this, too, shall pass, one thinks to jump. And regardless, jump or no, one moves on regardless of one's free will,

When a /. reader has seen further than anyone else, and needs a lesson on letting go, look no further than Mark. Although you certainly will not read my words, which I respect, goodbye,

Mark Shaney strikes again! (1)

xyourfacekillerx (939258) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629320)

Ignore these posts. Someone has been deploying what appears to be a Markov chain [wikipedia.org] text generator all over Slashdot, which has previously been used on usenet (see Mark V Shaney [wikipedia.org] ) and I suspect The Daily Show with John Stewart, and with greater range, the Colbert Report.

Re:Mark Shaney strikes again! (1)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 2 years ago | (#37630852)

Doesn't look Markov to me.

It looks like a longstanding Slashdot user who may be (going) schizophrenic.

Re:Mark Shaney strikes again! (1)

xyourfacekillerx (939258) | more than 2 years ago | (#37631912)

Or a homeless person got access to the internet? No, I suspect it's the same person talking about Buffy the Vampire slayer, I say that cos I've seen it on at least two other forums other than in slashdot comments (schizo comments + Vampire slayer in the same thread). And I think it's something like the Markov anyways, whoever it is, is too smart to be that schizo.

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37646652)

Reading comprehension fail.

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37637366)

Deep, like a tank full of slurry.

Re:Inspiration. The suicide of one's online self. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706264)

Am I the only one who imagined this comment in Shatner's voice?

Good Sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37627754)

At least someone has the good sense to stop putting up with harassment.

He's living life (2)

hellfire (86129) | more than 2 years ago | (#37627806)

I was a personal acquaintance of his and coworker for about a year and kept in touch for years. I miss our monthly Chinese buffet lunches. Last I heard he was working at IBM as a consultant but that was years ago. I also know that he has two kids in the mid to high single digits. He's working, making plenty of money for his family, and taking care of his responsibilities. It's sad not to see more on his blog lately. However his primary money maker was not his blog or his books.

I too have a blog but it was neither as popular or as entertaining, but the same thing happened to me. I've gotten married, assumed more family responsibilities, and I just don't have time to update it. Right now I'm sure his priorities are elsewhere. It's not infosuicide so much as we all want more and he's simply not giving it to us. I'm sorry to say you'll just have to move on. That's the beauty of the internet.

Mark if you are out there, drop me a line sometime.

Re:He's living life (5, Interesting)

Anonymus (2267354) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628076)

This doesn't even relate to taking your hobby blog offline. He didn't just close his social networking accounts, he took every site he ever worked on off the internet.

"infosuicide" may be a dumb word, but I'd certainly say it's not just "we want more and he's not giving it to us". He wanted to take back everything he had previously given us. That's a bit unusual.

And the beauty of the internet isn't to move on, it's nearly the opposite of that. Hundreds of people around the world had his stuff saved and are putting it back online even after he tried to destroy it. THAT is the beauty (and ugliness) of the internet.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628310)

This kinda reminds me of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. At the end of season five, she dies (by her own choice, to save her sister), but then, the next season (after it was renewed), her friends brought her back. What her friends didn't realize was that while she was dead, she'd basically been in heaven, and they ripped her out of it.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37642816)

Ehm. Grow up. Seriously.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37632954)

You cannot remove pee from the pool.

Re:He's living life (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37638080)

You cannot remove pee from the pool.

Of course you can. Do you think that all the pee (and other stuff) that has ever been deposited in your local swimming pool is still there?

Re:He's living life (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 2 years ago | (#37705362)

Until they drain it, yeah. They may neutralize it with various chemicals, but they'll never get it all.

Re:He's living life (1)

Crayon Kid (700279) | more than 2 years ago | (#37636436)

He wanted to take back everything he had previously given us. That's a bit unusual.

It's not about us, it's about himself.

I relate to what he did because I did it myself a while back. Let go of my personal domains, email accounts, self-hosted blogs and online image archives etc. I'm still on the net, obviously, just under a completely reorganized identity. I'm now much more careful about separating personally identifiable information from general romping across the net.

Why? Because I had reached a point when I looked back at everything that could be tied to me online and it wasn't me anymore. The blogs contained some useful information but also a lot of it was outdated and some misguided or naive, or worse. Luckily, I have a common name and I've had the insight to mark all my pages "noarchive" so there's no cache in search engines or archive.org. So I just let go and moved on.

People are not perfect, they change and sometimes grow up. But the Internet remembers everything and never lets you forget it. In real life you mostly get the benefit of forgive and forget because human memory is imperfect, but bring a perfect memory into the game and it gets ugly. People look at stuff you did or said 10 or 20 years ago and treat you like you're the same person you were back then.

Besides, if some of the stuff Mark, or me, put online was really useful then someone will have a copy somewhere and will recover and share it. You can't expect the guy to live forever or his descendants to keep maintaining his website forever. At some point that site would either stop working or the information would become obsolete anyway.

Re:He's living life (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37638156)

There is no statute of limitations on stupidity.

If someone was a stupid, arrogant asshole twenty years ago, they will still be a stupid, arrogant asshole now, just better at hiding it.

People's characters don't fundamentally change much past the age of ten.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37646970)

Citation, please. Seriously, this is that damnable "leopard can't change its spots" crap.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37705890)

People's characters don't fundamentally change much past the age of ten.

That's what assholes who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions try to convince themselves. The truth is that a great many people evolve, sometimes drastically, over their lifetimes. Especially if they desire to do so.

Re:He's living life (1)

Kadmos (793363) | more than 2 years ago | (#37707862)

To play devils advocate, one would hope that in 10 or 20 years time you may look back on that comment and realise how limited and naive it is.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37736448)

yeah right mate, can you site some references to these facts?

Re:He's living life (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706810)

I know the feeling. Sometimes I think back to stuff I wrote online as a teenager, or, half my lifetime ago, and think "shit, thats still out there"?

Luckily, someone with my name joined the Bostones, and so,.... I went from being 90% of the first 2 pages of google search on my name to...pretty much being banished from the first page of results (not sure where I am now) by his fame. At first I was shocked, and a bit annoyed, but, as time went on, I have come to appreciate it...that and that my old content is mostly very hard to find except by people who know exactly where to look.

I had an online diary before livejournal. I can say I would hate to have to explain or defend some of the things that I wrote then. It makes me think of people who were sentanced to long jail sentences at 15 or even 20. It reminds me of an interview with someone who worked with death row inmates who said it was striking how many had been there for so long that they are barely the same people who committed their crimes, so many years ago.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37634214)

The guys a fucking looney bird who removed all of his content. What a fucking asshole, weirdo lunatic. Just stop using the internet if it bothers you. But to do this? Some kind of mental break down, serious issues going on here. He's gone religious wacko, corporate asswipe, money grubbing dickhead, etc. Something along those lines. What a dipshit.

Re:He's living life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37706496)

He's a dipshit for taking down his own websites.... are you fucking retarded? You better not have deleted a single account, post or website in your entire lifetime, dicktree.

Lucky Stiff (1)

jtara (133429) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628010)

First, Why the Lucky Stiff. Then this. Coincidence?

Re:Lucky Stiff (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#37631010)

Have you ever seen them together?

Re:Lucky Stiff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37634520)

Note that this has never happened to anyone who wrote books about Perl, Java, or C++.

It's now official: working with Python and Ruby drives people to commit infosuicide. Don't let it happen to your kids!

Strange, indeed (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628198)

Perhaps he had a long talk with Francisco d'Anconia or something.

Re:Strange, indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37629436)

Sure wish I had some kharma points; I'd certainly give you a bunch.

Re:Strange, indeed (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 2 years ago | (#37632466)

And here I was just arguing on /. about whether anyone would actually "go Galt" (I know folks who have, sort of) Interesting thought!

Re:Strange, indeed (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#37638192)

mod parent -1 ayn rand reference

Wikipedia too (5, Interesting)

heptapod (243146) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628470)

He's trying to remove himself from Wikipedia too and has been since 2008 [wikipedia.org] ish.

For someone who appears to be savvy about computers and online culture it's funny he's unaware of the Streisand effect which is emphasized by the number of mirrors popping up across the internet despite his best efforts for infocide.

Re:Wikipedia too (1)

smelch (1988698) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629198)

Perhaps he is acutely aware of this and is now removing his things so others will take the responsibility of making his previous work available while he does whatever else he wants without worrying about it.

Re:Wikipedia too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37705622)

Alternatively, he's a whore for publicity?

Archives? (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628514)

Dive into HTML5 has this at the beginning: "The Work shall remain online under the CC-BY-3.0 License." Anyone know a way to get complete archives of his books that's easier/better than scraping http://web.archive.org/web/20110726000452/http://www.diveintohtml5.org/ [archive.org] ?

He was a fun guy. I'll miss his writings. I've been reading his stuff for about six years, starting with http://howto.diveintomark.org/ipod-dvd-ripping-guide/ [diveintomark.org] , which got me into using Handbrake shortly after I got a video iPod. No more google cache, but at least he couldn't/didn't remove himself from archive.org [archive.org]

Re:Archives? (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628644)

Sorry, I had a few windows open and didn't get through them all before posting. Mirrors listed in the comments here. [meyerweb.com]

Still, it's sad to think that there will be no fun, new, snarky writings forthcoming. :-(

John Galt? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628628)

Did he talk to John Galt whoever that is?

Re:John Galt? (1)

Cragen (697038) | more than 2 years ago | (#37630156)

Oh, my. I wish I had mod points. Too bad John Galt was in such a (ultimately) useless book.

Re:John Galt? (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 2 years ago | (#37632508)

No more useless than any other fiction. When I first tried to read it, I was put off by the poinlessly extreme cartoon villians. I read it recently and it was eerily predictive. Things seem to really be getting ugly these days as governments try anything at all except cutting spending to stave off financial collapse. (But families seem to be getting the "live within your means" message since 2008 or so, so maybe there's just a lag and in a few years the book will seem silly again.)

A Serious Question (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 2 years ago | (#37628758)

Who gives a shit?

Re:A Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37630154)

Who gives a shit?

Since I know the guy (He was another presenter at the @Confoo conference), I do!

Mark is a brilliant man and I am happy to know he's ok.

Good luck in your future endevours!

This Pilgrim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37628814)

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/nyregion/police-link-computer-virus-to-2-at-cornell.html

Jobs the Mark, or the other way round. (1)

Frederico Camara (976080) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629350)

Yesterday I read Steve Jobs was dead. Today, as I read that Dive into Python was gone offline, I thought: "No! Not Mark Pilgrim!"
Thank God he's alive. Hope he ressurects Dive into Python soon. You can only make so much impact on people this once, like Jobs did.

Re:Jobs the Mark, or the other way round. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37632106)

Oh please. Mark Pilgrim is no Steve Jobs. Steve could not have done it without copying it from somewhere.

It's a pity. (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629366)

The man wrote a lot of great stuff. I learned Python using his guide to that language, and I used his HTML5 guide to keep current on that. I don't think I'll be alone in missing him.

That said, he obviously intends for this to be permanent. He was a stickler for proper HTTP status codes, and wouldn't have his sites throw a 410 if he ever intended on bringing them back. Given the open nature of the things he wrote, it would have been nice of him to transfer maintenance of the guides before doing this. Archives and mirrors are springing up, so the work won't be lost. But if he wanted to go quietly, he could have made things much quieter by saying something.

At the very least, he could have avoided this chaos and the police visit.

hmm (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 2 years ago | (#37629938)

Well, way to help a brother out.

why? (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#37630606)

everyone seems to be focused on the "he should be able to" and "we dont want to lose you" but nobody is asking, "why? why are you doing this?"

if someone knows, just say it.

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37630930)

What are you, his parent? FFS, I thought a man could make up his....oh wait, this is Slashdot...people here still live in their parent's basements.

Re:why? (1)

gknoy (899301) | more than 2 years ago | (#37633322)

Rather than merely Stop Posting (or paying for a domain), and instead actually putting the effort to remove one's creations is something which is both strange and uncommon on the internet. I never used anything he wrote (that I know of?), but am immensely curious as to what would cause a person to do this. It's VERY different from retiring an old machine or deciding that you don't care about a domain anymore enough to actually update its DNS (or pay for it, perhaps).

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37636772)

Rather than merely Stop Posting (or paying for a domain), and instead actually putting the effort to remove one's creations is something which is both strange and uncommon on the internet. I never used anything he wrote (that I know of?), but am immensely curious as to what would cause a person to do this. It's VERY different from retiring an old machine or deciding that you don't care about a domain anymore enough to actually update its DNS (or pay for it, perhaps).

Perhaps he's had enough of wasting his life over HTML specifications, or writing yet another book about a 20 year old programming language. Perhaps he has bigger priorities, such as raising his family, or preparing for key resource depletion [blogspot.com] that is occurring as we "chit chat". Maybe he's decided that the Internet has devolved into a steaming pile of weasel shit [dilbert.com] used by ruthless people [sociopathworld.com] to con the masses out of their privacy in exchange for a quick buck [youtube.com] .

PS. Like that nice reverse-trolling in the first link? Notice the fine print in the header when you visit it?

Found him (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37631616)

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0271345&stype=owner&owner=pilgrim%25%2Cmark%25&spg=1

as to why... (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37632388)

Here's hoping the reason isn't "Diving into the timezone database"...

Researching a new book? (1)

shish (588640) | more than 2 years ago | (#37633748)

"Dive out of the internet"?

tz (1)

georgesdev (1987622) | more than 2 years ago | (#37635746)

he got lost in between 2 timezones ;)

So what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37640402)

He probably just got fed up with the waste of time on the Net. You know, it's perfectly feasible to live without any connection to the Internet. Depending on what you work on going offline might also make you more productive (e.g. if you work in mathematics or some other domain that requires extensive *real* thinking). I'm pretty sure that Grigori Perelman doesn't surf the Net very often either. Then again, I wouldn't necessarily pick him as a role model.

Mirrors (1)

ServerCobra (2362094) | more than 2 years ago | (#37704728)

I was really sad to hear about Mark pulling down all these amazing resources. I've mirrored a bunch of them, and put them up at the .net versions of his domains. They are DiveIntoPython.net, DiveIntoPython3.net, and DiveIntoHTML5.net. Hopefully we can keep these super important resources up!

Also mirrored here: (2)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 2 years ago | (#37706162)

http://diveintopython3.ep.io/

This is the Python 3 version, last updated 2011. It is more current than the mirror in the main article.

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