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FBI Plans Nationwide Face-Recognition Trials In 2012

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the nationwide-in-select-states dept.

Privacy 102

hessian writes with this excerpt: "The FBI by mid-January will activate a nationwide facial recognition service in select states that will allow local police to identify unknown subjects in photos, bureau officials told Nextgov. The federal government is embarking on a multiyear, $1 billion overhaul of the FBI's existing fingerprint database to more quickly and accurately identify suspects, partly through applying other biometric markers, such as iris scans and voice recordings."

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LOL! American Freedom! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647180)

LOL!

Old People, Whitehaired Q-Tips, Leeches on Society (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647226)

How To Be An Old Geezer


With the aging Baby Boomers there are now more elderly people in America than ever before. It becomes more apparent that a segment of them do not know how to age gracefully. Traditionally, this way of life was learned from extensive contact with and careful observation of the previous generation of elders. In today's fast-paced world this is less and less viable. While not intended to be 100% comprehensive, this document is a quick HOWTO reference to at least help today's old people get started. The following are the most important points, the time-tested things you really MUST do in order to be an old person in the modern world.
  1. Fuck the younger generations as much and as hard as you possibly can. This point is critical and cannot be overemphasized. Most other points are related to this one. That's how key it really is. There is one great way to do that, better than all other ways combined:

    Vote as a single homogeneous bloc. This is politically very powerful. Use that power to run up massive debts that you have absolutely no intention of paying. That way, future generations can inherit them. You need to do this even though collectively, you are the single wealthiest demographic group in existence.

    Your retirement from Social Security is the best way to arrange this. Sure, you could have taken personal responsibility for your life and started saving for your own retirement from a young age, but where's the fun in that? It's vital that you let Social Security remain the Ponzi scheme that it is so that no young person today has a hope of collecting a dime from it BUT they still have to pay into it (hah-hah! I guess the joke's on them!). BE CERTAIN that any politician who even suggests changing Social Security towards long-term viability is ending his or her career in politics.

    Sure, they are your children and your grandchildren, but so what? Now that they've grown past early childhood they aren't so cute anymore anyway. That makes it easy to treat them like you hate their guts even if you don't know you hate them. If you faithfully practice the points outlined in this document, then soon any guilt you might feel over what you've left for them to inherit will melt away and be replaced by an insatiable sense of entitlement. In the event this should fail, the constant coverage of the current pointless foreign war that the flower of our youth is going off to fight will serve as an excellent distraction.
  2. Run a homeowner's association. As a retiree, it's not like you have to work for a living anymore. You've got some time on your hands. What better way to use it than to take your neighbors to court over such worthy matters as the difference between white paint and off-white paint? Those bastards should have read and memorized their 100-page homeowner's covenant before daring to modify their own property. As an added bonus, any time they spend in court and not at work means even less opportunity to pay off the debts you've left for them to inherit. Any monies they pay as a result of losing the lawsuits serves the same goal, so it's a two-for-one!
  3. Drive very slowly, particularly on one-lane roads where it's difficult or impossible to safely pass you. Every time you do this means one more chance to make it hard for someone to get to work on time. That way, not only is a significant chunk of their paycheck taken from them to pay for your retirement and your medical care, but as an added bonus you add insult to this injury by hindering them from getting to work in the first place so they can make the money that pays for your expenses! That'll teach 'em. Whatever you do, don't ever pull over and allow the ten cars stuck behind you to pass, especially not when they have a clock to beat and you don't.
  4. When you are a customer at a restaurant, grocery store, technical support line, or the like, be as helpless as possible. Your goal is to be a really high-maintainence customer. Sure, you could demonstrate that with your age has come wisdom, but that wouldn't make you feel important and special. Instead, ask a lot of stupid questions that you'd already know the answer to if you noticed the most obvious of cues. Ask for a lot of trivial changes to a product before you will buy it. Demand a lot of extra effort and attention from whoever is trying to serve you. Transform from "sweet old grandma" to "mega-bitch" in a split-second if such attention is not immediately granted. Do not, under any circumstances, notice that all the other customers behind you are waiting.

    When it's time to pay, write out a check and take your sweet time about it. Even though you knew what store you were going to visit, DO NOT under any circumstances prepare the check in advance by filling out everything except the dollar amount.
  5. This is another important point. Perform all of the above faithfully and consistently. Then whine about how misguided the younger generation is as though you didn't have anything to do with that. Complain that they don't respect you. Act absolutely astonished that anyone would see you doing all of the above and would respond with anything other than gratitude, praise, and admiration. That will add an element of mindfuck to the heretofore material damage covered by the previous points. It's especially effective if you have the compulsive liar's talent of learning how to sincerely believe this as you say it. You can complain about how "back in my day" the youth were better/more submissive/kinder than today's youth while conveniently forgetting that the elders of that generation actually tried to give their children a better world than they grew up in. It is advised that you set your irony detector to "off" while doing this, however.

By faithfully following these steps, you too can be a typical American old geezer.

Re:Old People, Whitehaired Q-Tips, Leeches on Soci (0)

jhd (7165) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647734)

Feeling a little bitter there, huh?....... just one little request.

Please spend less time writing lengthy diatribes and get back to work supporting my entitlements... 'nuff said.

Re:Old People, Whitehaired Q-Tips, Leeches on Soci (0)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647910)

Sociopath is being a sociopathic troll.

American psychology is a frightening thing these days. Here is a prime example of a product of our social/political environment that has been carefully cultivated over the past few decades. The undertones of this above piece are down right frightening. Follow the logical progression of this line of thinking, especially when it's given cues to turn violent.

In my opinion this isn't an isolated event. This isn't insanity, even though it appears to be. This is a mindset, carefully grown, manipulated and given years of development. It's a mindset that is shared by far too many, and it's akin to a "sleeper cell" but it's a deep seeded programmed mentality. On an objective note, one has to admire the mathematics, the social science, the social psychology, and the behavioral science of it. If only it had been used for good instead of a defense mechanism for an antiquated system, a relic of our cold war years turning now to bite us hard, oh the irony of it.

Note the subjects need to articulate the deep seeded levels of frustration. This isn't the garden variety sociopath, whom wants to blend in, exercising its social camouflage instincts. It doesn't perceive itself as abnormal, a predator, but instead broadcasts its "signature mindset" hoping to a. confirm it's self awareness and perceived "normality" and b. bond with others of its ilk. Instead its been modded down as a troll, this will not correct it, but only feed it negative stimulation.

It will remain for the most part latent, and harmless until the right trigger circumstances occur and/or a control figurehead engages it. These are dire implications and I feel few comprehend the gist of this.

Re:Old People, Whitehaired Q-Tips, Leeches on Soci (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37650840)

Fascinating. The above post is a perfect rebuttal to itself.

Re:Old People, Whitehaired Q-Tips, Leeches on Soci (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37651058)

Sociopath is being a sociopathic troll.

American psychology is a frightening thing these days. Here is a prime example of a product of our social/political environment that has been carefully cultivated over the past few decades. The undertones of this above piece are down right frightening. Follow the logical progression of this line of thinking, especially when it's given cues to turn violent.

In my opinion this isn't an isolated event. This isn't insanity, even though it appears to be. This is a mindset, carefully grown, manipulated and given years of development. It's a mindset that is shared by far too many, and it's akin to a "sleeper cell" but it's a deep seeded programmed mentality. On an objective note, one has to admire the mathematics, the social science, the social psychology, and the behavioral science of it. If only it had been used for good instead of a defense mechanism for an antiquated system, a relic of our cold war years turning now to bite us hard, oh the irony of it.

Note the subjects need to articulate the deep seeded levels of frustration. This isn't the garden variety sociopath, whom wants to blend in, exercising its social camouflage instincts. It doesn't perceive itself as abnormal, a predator, but instead broadcasts its "signature mindset" hoping to a. confirm it's self awareness and perceived "normality" and b. bond with others of its ilk. Instead its been modded down as a troll, this will not correct it, but only feed it negative stimulation.

It will remain for the most part latent, and harmless until the right trigger circumstances occur and/or a control figurehead engages it. These are dire implications and I feel few comprehend the gist of this.

Damn. When I wrote that troll post I had no idea it would be so effective. I thought it would be so thoroughly over the top, so obviously contrived that nobody would ever take it seriously.

Sometimes it's gratifying to be wrong.

Got your punk ass good, didn't it? Oh wait, I'm just covering for myself because you're onto me *dons tinfoil hat*

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647256)

LOL!

Yeah, those pesky americans, they are approaching the stuff of "1997 Escape from New York" and "The Fortress".
All your lives belong to us, the corporations.
Glad I'm never going to set foot again in the US, what a nightmare it has become.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (3, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647394)

Glad I'm never going to set foot again in the US

The US feels the same.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647570)

Time to stock up on those nice silicone masks that make you look like Ronald Reagan or Frankenstein or Lady Gaga or a Witch. It's not yet illegal to wear them in public, once you're otherwise law abiding. Best not to wear the Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler masks, however, because some dumb-dumb might just start shooting.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647614)

I was thinking of that Asian fascination with health and safety. Using hospital masks all the time makes a lot more sense now.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (4, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647636)

It's not yet illegal to wear them in public,

Actually, it is illegal to wear a mask in a demonstration in New York. That's why you're seeing so many of the protestors wearing the masks on the back of their heads instead of covering their faces.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648138)

Yeah, they're really changing things up there in New York by obeying the laws. Nothing gets under the skin of the system more than keeping your peaceful demonstrations relegated to the "free speech zone" and making sure that the DHS has everyone's faces on file.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648318)

"Actually, it is illegal to wear a mask in a demonstration in New York."

So how do Burka-clad Muslim women demonstrate for their right to religious freedom?

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650042)

It's not yet illegal to wear them in public,

Actually, it is illegal to wear a mask in a demonstration in New York. That's why you're seeing so many of the protestors wearing the masks on the back of their heads instead of covering their faces.

So wear a Hilary Clinton mask, and tell the cops it's required by your religion. You are, after all, a worshipper of the Wicked Witch of the West, aren't you?

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

JambisJubilee (784493) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650172)

Believe it or not, in the US it actually *is* illegal to wear masks in public. Do a quick search and you'll find many people arrested and charged for nothing more than this.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

kmoser (1469707) | more than 2 years ago | (#37652252)

With winter coming, pretty soon it will be illegal to wear a ski mask, balaclava, or scarf. Homeless and street vendors will be further marginalized.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647420)

Glad I'm never going to set foot again in the US, what a nightmare it has become.

The last time I set foot on US soil was back in the early '70s, I liked the place.
I've *no intention ever* of setting foot on US soil ever again (I say 'intention', I suppose I may be dragged there someday to answer for 'thought crimes' against the US, but we'll dynamite that bridge when we come to it..)

FFS!, what the hell have you lot become?

You've now been on 'the Muslim menace' terror scare for a decade, you're getting nowhere, fast, but the joke appears to be that during the decades of fighting 'the Commies', you'd parodied Communist societies and their totalitarian/authoritarian ways, sometimes justified, sometimes just plain loony (total central control?; I think/know not..) and used this parody to scare your population into fearing 'them'. Someone in your government in the light of your current 'difficulties' has saw this shit and thought, 'what a bunch of good ideas! let's implement them' .
You're now becoming that parody of communist societies you used to hate/fear, but, unlike the Soviets, your lot have the technology now to really make it work..

Way to fucking go, USofA...

So much for 'Land of the Free...'

As this is technically still an IT site, can I just add a plea to anyone working on related hardware/software projects, just because you can do something, this doesn't mean that you have to, think carefully about how your work can be used and abused, and just remember, on the abuse side, it'll be used against you and your families as well..

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648084)

FFS!, what the hell have you lot become?

I can't decide if it's pre-WW2 Germany or post-WW2 East Germany. Either way we should start speaking German and start hatching escape plans. There was a time when we were the freest country on earth. We are quickly becoming one of the least free.

A significant percentage of our country (over 2 million) is caged and treated like dogs by sadistic, uncaring guards. We are perpetually at war with someone and brutally imprison and torture not only POWs, but the local populace of the occupied country. At home, police brutality is off the charts, with 12 year old girls being taze-tortured and average men being beaten to death for contempt of cop, or shot to death for not obeying, and you can be imprisoned or even shot for videotaping them.

There are security checkpoints on our roads, at bus stations, train stations, and of course airports where we are electronically strip searched, interrogated, humiliated, and then maybe even sexually assaulted. Note even small children are exempt from being treated like prisoners.

You don't have to be a psychic to figure out what where this is headed. I plan to flee the US in the next few years and never look back. Hopefully I can get residency or even citizenship in a more sane country. The trick is to escape before they start requiring exit visas and not granting them.

Re:LOL! American Freedom! (2)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648272)

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

What you are seeing is the US approaching the event horizon of a singularity. I have to ponder how close the Chinese are to it in contrast to us. Perhaps that is why Clinton did what he did in regards to helping them with super computer technology. Considering they now have the biggest supercomputer, I find the whole issue something I wish I could have just remained ignorant of.

Ponder this, just how delighted an AI will be to find these tools at it's disposal? It's not like the software is the issue, but the hardware and networks in place.

But on a lighter note, to answer your question "FFS! What the hell have you lot become?"

The answer is fascists. Look at the definition of fascism and the history of it's rise and fall. When you do, and compare and contrast it to modern America, try not to soil yourself when the "aha!" moment happens. Our propaganda mechanisms for combating "communism and socialism" have proven quite handy in the post cold war years for advancing corporate interests. Our military industrial complex over the past 50 years have become quite impressive and aggressive.

The mechanisms for our transformation are in place, we are just going through the phases of the transition. We are about to enter an "inner cleansing phase", notice how "polarized" the country is. This isn't polarization. This is blatant fascist brainwashing propaganda taking place. Those who fall in line, and are of use to the "system" are being pitted against the "resistance". The targets will be the old, the "liberals", the undereducated minorities who don't properly migrate to where they are needed most as base labor, moral scape goats, etc. Just take note of the undertones and blatant tones of the propaganda machines here, they are quite obvious who they are.

Yes, it's time to be afraid. Very afraid. Oh, did I mention the entire species doesn't have time for this? We are looking at Apophis possibly slamming into us. We have all of humanities eggs in one basket called Earth. Our self absorbed interests will distract our valuable finite resources from addressing this issue until it's too late. I think we are going to fail our species's "litmus test" of "can we resolve our baser instincts in order to work with our neighbors to avoid extinction". This is something akin to the the Star Trek "Prime Directive", meaning it shows if we are a worthy species to be good galactic/universal neighbors.

My guess is, the universe already has it's quota of asshole species in it already, any decent responsible "higher" species isn't going to help another one get lose. The term "there goes the neighborhood" isn't just an Earth colloquialism.

Didn't .. (5, Informative)

deimios666 (1040904) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647190)

FaceBook Inc.already have that? Ah you mean the other FBI...

Re:Didn't .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647210)

they will just merge the databases

Re:Didn't .. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647218)

They already have photos of your face from your driving license and passport applications.

Technology is ending privacy, secrecy is next. (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647524)

The government and anyone with money can effective ignore the right to privacy, technology gives lots of tools to simply collect lots of data on anyone. Next up, is the ability of common people to use technology to end the privacy and secrecy of the authorities. The privacy laws remain the same, but every day it becomes less possible to enforce any of it.

Re:Technology is ending privacy, secrecy is next. (1)

Hoskald (125486) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648418)

There is no Right to Privacy in the US Constitution. The 4th Amendment applies to unwarranted search and seizure, not to a general right to privacy. There is, however a tradition of privacy in the US that seems to be protected by case law.
Good Morning, Big Brother, Comrade!

Re:Technology is ending privacy, secrecy is next. (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648614)

The constitution does not grant rights to the people. It "grants" powers to the government. Any rights enumerated are there to ensure that powers granted are never assumed to supersede those rights. They were not intended to be a full enumeration of the rights of the people, and indeed, rights not specifically protected may have at the time been considered so obvious and fundamental that there was no need to mention....

False Positives (1)

wideBlueSkies (618979) | more than 2 years ago | (#37651686)

Speaking of Facebook.....

I recently took a trip to DC, did the tourist thing. Got a bunch of pictures of my daughter and wife at the Lincoln Memorial standing next to Abe himself.

Got home, and uploaded a couple of the photos to my account. Get this.. the auto tagger kicks in, and suggests one of my buddies as the _face of Lincoln_ . I kid you not /. The software zoned in on the statue and thought it was close enough to be my buddy.

He was thrilled, But he also said the same thing you're all thinking reading this: " The police better not start using that anytime soon."

And in related news... (2)

jenningsthecat (1525947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647212)

...investment in plastic surgery practices has soared!

Re:And in related news... (2)

smi.james.th (1706780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647492)

You say that in jest, but one wonders how much this facial recognition stuff will be affected by if I for example grow a beard, or shave my beard, or break my nose. Does anyone have any insight into this one?

Re:And in related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647538)

You say that in jest, but one wonders how much this facial recognition stuff will be affected by if I for example grow a beard...

Not much, all men with beards will be considered automatically guilty.

Re:And in related news... (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647882)

Not much. The software works by measuring ratios to facial markers, like eyes, ears, nose, chin and mouth. Facial hair does not cover much of this. A medical mask, however...

Re:And in related news... (1)

smi.james.th (1706780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647940)

I wonder about that. I'm busy working on a facial recognition project at the moment, I'm using OpenCV, and I'm doing exactly that, using ratios between facial features. My algorithm is very very simple, but the research I've done suggests that there are much more complex algorithms available. Also, with my hobbyist grade software, changes in lighting and facial position greatly affect the outcomes of the scan. So I still have my doubts as to the absolute usefulness of the system.

Not that I suspect it won't work at all! I was recently amazed by how well Picasa scanned through all my photos and grouped the same faces together, sure it made some mistakes but broadly it was correct. I think the biggest change however was my brother cutting his hair between successive photos, no-one grew a beard or had a nose broken or lost a significant amount of weight or aged significantly in any of the photos. So I think that if one wanted to disguise one's self from the system, one could, quite easily.

Just my 2c.

Re:And in related news... (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647812)

If only we could all be Humphrey Bogart after surgery.

Re:And in related news... (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650316)

If only we could all be Humphrey Bogart after surgery.

Humphrey Bogart had surgery?

Re:And in related news... (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650800)

Apparently you haven't seen Dark Passage.

Re:And in related news... (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#37651608)

Apparently you haven't seen Dark Passage.

Correct twice: I haven't seen Dark Passage, and I missed the plastic surgery.

Re:And in related news... (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 2 years ago | (#37651946)

The first 20 or so minutes of Dark Passage are shot from the first person perspective of a man who has escaped from prison.

After that, the man is shown in bandages, and later on with the bandages removed.

He is played by Bogart.

Re:And in related news... (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648856)

Doesn't facial recognition software act by measuring depth at certain points of the face? So if you were to get flesh-colored eyebrow rings, lip rings, etc. it would probably throw the technology off...

Society and unrestrained power (5, Interesting)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647224)

Like how our society has turned into a culture of unrestrained power? [salon.com] Yeah, me either.

Re:Society and unrestrained power (2)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647298)

P.S. We can pretty much chalk the budget approval for this project up to one movement: occupywallst.org [occupywallst.org]

Re:Society and unrestrained power (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647442)

P.S. We can pretty much chalk the budget approval for this project up to one movement: occupywallst.org

Now that's just stupid. You don't believe the truck bombing in Time Square and along the MLK day parade route out West was enough?

So, the monolithic, powerful government took one look at the kids in the Occupy Wall Street movement who already all have facebook and twitter profiles in their real names along with multiple photographs in their profiles (half of which are photos of them looking straight into a mirror) suddenly made the FBI director say "We gotta find out who these protestors are!". It's not like they couldn't go to the "Occupy Wall Street" Twitter or Facebook page and see their pictures next to their names or anything.

Plus, the budget approval for this program took place more than a year ago. Probably around the time the Tea Party first started having rallies where they were toting guns and talking about "taking out" the president and congress people who wouldn't fight for their Medicare by cutting the budget.

Re:Society and unrestrained power (1)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37651504)

Now that's just stupid. You don't believe the truck bombing in Time Square and along the MLK day parade route out West was enough?

"Was enough" for what - unrestrained power? No, sorry your fearmongering has lost it's effect - it is not enough. Plus you must mean the FBI's own terrorist plots [salon.com] (that they repeatedly and miraculously thwart successfully [salon.com]). To clarify - (because I admit it does defy belief for normal rational thinking people):

"The FBI has received substantial criticism over the past decade — much of it valid — but nobody can deny its record of excellence in thwarting its own Terrorist plots. Time and again, the FBI concocts a Terrorist attack, infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI. "

Stupid is as stupid does.

Re:Society and unrestrained power (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#37651584)

"Was enough" for what - unrestrained power?

No no no. I'm not saying there is any reason for the unrestrained power of the corporatist government.

I'm just saying they weren't waiting for the OWS demonstrations to put it in the budget.

Ever since Ralph Nader first suggested that consumers actually have some power and don't have to just buy everything that's shoved down our throats, the people who have bought the government have been looking for a way to take people out of the equation. Some might say it started even before that - as soon as the GIs came home from WWII with the belief that anybody could have a piece of the American Dream. When the oligarchs figured out that the middle class might actually become a powerful sector of society, there has been an effort to cut it down to size. Nothing really worked that well until they figured out that they could just hang the middle class up by its heels and slit its throat by breaking the unions. By holding the threat of poverty and untreated sickness and homelessness over the middle and working class they could get them to do whatever they wanted (which is basically to work for $5/day and line up at Wal-Mart every night to give it back).

This facial recognition/privatized prison industry is just a fall-back for the ones that won't go quietly.

$1 billion dollar overhaul (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647372)

That's all you need to know.

Did I just imply that this entire "initiative" is nothing but a smokescreen for raking more cash through the hands of the elite who control the business of government?

You're god damn right I did.

Them muslims are prescient (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647232)

Burqahs gonna be fashionable in 2012.

Re:Them muslims are prescient (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647898)

Burqahs gonna be fashionable in 2012.

And what do you bet that latex masks are outlawed?

Re:Them muslims are prescient (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650326)

Burqahs gonna be fashionable in 2012.

And what do you bet that latex masks are outlawed?

Along with latex Burqahs.

Re:Them muslims are prescient (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37651450)

Latex Burqahs? I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to your magazine.

Clint Eastwood (0)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647234)

had a lot of problems recognizing John Malkovich who was trying to assasinate Obama because he was wearing a clever disguise. This technology could've helped Clint.

Welcome... (0)

balsy2001 (941953) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647252)

...1984.

Re:Welcome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37649062)

Welcome? Unlike you, I'm fighting it.

Re:Welcome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37651258)

...1984.

The original was a HOWTO for the government. The 2005 sequel, Little Brother [craphound.com], is a HOWTO for the 9^Hrest of us.

States haev had this (4)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647322)

Many states have already had this internally, so its logical to extend this nationwide since we don't have "hard" borders between states, from a technology standpoint. Next logical step will be linking up all the nations street corner and red light cameras with this database as a pre-emptive measure to find people.

Not that i agree with any of this morally, but its logical in the pure technical sense.

Re:States haev had this (2)

jovius (974690) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647676)

True. The logical objective for the law enforcement would be to have a complete access to all of the people in real time. The thing is that when your reputation/position is high enough you become a "trustworthy" citizen and a member of the club. The system can't reach it's objective because of this inherent feature. It paradoxically promotes lawlessness and law obedience at the same time and upkeeps divisions and inequality in the society.

As long as the average human leadership types are somewhere close to selfish sosiopaths the system keeps human evolution at bay.

Re:States haev had this (1)

jovius (974690) | more than 2 years ago | (#37649064)

We are colliding now with the control mechanisms of our own mind, which manifest themselves in the need to control. It's a relic from times when we had to fight for our survival. The mechanisms are needlessly defending themselves. This is a logical phase in the evolution of mind that is happening. Consumer EEG devices (like http://emotiv.com/ [emotiv.com]) are slowly coming to the market, which is one indicator of where we are heading.

At the moment peaceful behaviour is forced, where as it should be the obvious way of behaving without any superficial control mechnanisms set in place. People are made docile rather than kept free.

Re:States haev had this (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648364)

Borders?
Last time I checked some moron had the bright idea of tightening control over the border to the north (because those evil Canadians are such a dangerous bunch) while the one to the south is basically a revolving door in all but name.

Re:States haev had this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648510)

Not that i agree with any of this morally, but its logical in the pure technical sense.

We, the techies, really need to start saying "no, it's not possible" when some immoral half-wit wants something immoral.

Seriously. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647340)

I know this usually evokes the usual sleuth of comments about big brother and 1984 that seem like isolated incidents or only something slightly worse. But hours ago didn't I just read about GPS in your phones to be mandatory in several years too? Oh don't concern yourself good citizen, this is for your safety, its an upgrade to the 911 system to better assist you in times of need!

I just don't understand, why haven't you revolted yet? It seems every single day new laws or amendments to your great constitution by the sheep herders are introduced and yet all that happens is a Slashdot article, some American rights groups might make a fuss large enough to be covered by absolutely no one.
In the end the way it plays out is usually:

"Oh shit! Big Brother is completely eroding our civil rights"
"Yea I know, its so evil"
"Who's going to do something about this?"
"..."
"..."

It just seems from an outsiders perspective to the US of A that all that happens is its announced your rights are going to be shat on, and literally nothing else happens, even those of you who completely agree with each other, and/or that something most be done, sit around with a thumb up your ass.

Re:Seriously. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37649004)

We've already given up hope. We're now just waiting for them to come and take us to concentration camps...

Re:Seriously. (1)

Armakuni (1091299) | more than 2 years ago | (#37649558)

It's the same as in every country: comfort is everything. As long as Americans have their Big Macs and cheap Ford F 150s, no one is going to complain in any way that makes a difference. Take those away and you'd have a mass uprising. But not before. Do you think The Powers That Be know that?

I'm Glad they are doing this, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647362)

Time to open that mask shop I always wanted.

Why not just make this open? (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647414)

What we really need is an open source equivalent of this. Just create a database and some FOSS software, and then everybody can go scan their old high school yearbooks and suddenly Big Brother can't do anything you can't do.

Databases owned by Government, Credit Bureaus, and Background Check companies are all coming whether you like it or not, and nobody is going to stop them.

While we're at it go ahead and create a place for people to post stuff like "person ABCD-12345 was seen at GPS coords 12.23,12,34 at timestamp..." and now everything everybody does (from your annoying neighbor to the CIA) is open for the world to see...

They need this for when the Pre-Cogs start up (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647508)

They need this for when the Pre-Cogs start up, How else are they going to identify you when they come in to arrest you for that little embezzling you were considering.

And how likely is that? (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647520)

[Thomas E. Bush III, who helped develop NGI's system requirements when he served as assistant director of the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services division between 2005 and 2009, said] said, "We do have the capability to search against each other's systems," but added, "if you don't come to the attention of law enforcement you don't have anything to fear from these systems."

I'm going to quote an old post [slashdot.org] from the "DMCA Abuse Widespread" [slashdot.org] article:

Whenever a controversial law is proposed, and its supporters, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, use a phrase along the lines of 'Perhaps in theory, but the law would never be applied in that way' - they're lying . They intend to use the law that way as early and as often as possible.

It is inevitable that once the capabilities are present, they will be abused.
The scale of the abuse is only limited by how much money the government is willing to spend on auditing and enforcement.

Re:And how likely is that? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647968)

Which is why we need to shrink the federal government back to the confines of the Constitution!

Re:And how likely is that? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648546)

Innocent people have nothing to fear.

However, it isn't you that gets to determine what makes you "innocent", no matter how right-thinking, patriotic and "law abiding" you are.

Considering the current budget situation, I've got a better idea. Rather than waste time on expensive and unreliable technologies, let's just have the police lock us all up at sunset, give us armed escort to our jobs, schools and day cares, where we'll be under constant surveillance, then round us all up and escort us home at the end of the day. We can even put 2-way televisor screens in everyone's house, just so we'll all be safe from crime and terrorism.

After all, ever since Nancy Reagan, we've all been guilty of drug abuse until constantly proven otherwise (for those who don't remember, it was 2 idiots on pot who wrecked a train and started that particular snowball).

Recently did a driver's license renewal and had to present more papers than it takes to buy a house.

Land of the Free? Not THIS millenium!

If you have nothing to hide... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37647622)

...you still have something to fear.

2012 disasters, right (2)

harvey the nerd (582806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647712)

I wonder how many people are going to get hurt or killed on a "mistaken identity", kinda, sorta doubles "Wanted" with trigger happy police.

Re:2012 disasters, right (1)

DrDeusEx (2480078) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648190)

We had this back in 2051 as well...

Quote
Bot Kills Three in Accidental Shooting
APR - Paris, France

Yves-Pierre Adrien, Dominique Vittet, and Marie Philibert were heading home from
a late night on the town when they were gunned down in the street by a military
bot that mistakenly identified them as terrorists. Since the institution of
martial law in Paris, bots have regularly patrolled those areas with a high
level of criminal activity, armed with a visual database profiling thousands of
wanted terrorists, thieves, and drug dealers.

"It was awful", said Kristi Amiel. A waitress at Enfant Terrible - a nearby
cafe where the trio had their last cup of coffee - she was witness to the
shooting. "The bot just kept shooting and shooting until all you could hear
was an empty clicking sound, then one of the soldiers ran into the control
station across the street trying to shut it down, but nothing happened.
It just kept clicking... trying to shoot them again."

Police Prefect Hubert Dupuy defended the practice during a news conference
earlier today. "The bots are programmed to only use lethal force if the
suspects resist arrest, and while these deaths are tragedies to be mourned,
it in no way compromises the effectiveness of bots in keeping Parisians safe."
Quote

The principal problem: statistics (3, Interesting)

cheros (223479) | more than 2 years ago | (#37647890)

Programs like CSI are a mild source of amusement to me. These films run a partial fingerprint through an apparently flawless database and hey presto, a match that stands up in court. Fantastic. Also total nonsense.

Especially a partial will throw up a whole LIST of possible matches, not one unique one. Even if you have two full fingers you get more than one, and that is a simple function of the resolution with which these biometrics are measured against the volume of data that is being matched - you WILL get duplicates.

To illustrate: use hair color as a biometric. If your database has more than 5 people you're sure to end up with duplicates - there are only so many different colours.

Here we are again heading for disaster. Apart from the fact that we'll again end up with a database that is just BEGGING to be abused by all and sundry (I'm starting to suspect that these days that abuse is actually a goal rather than an issue worth avoiding) we well again end up with lots of false positives. Face geometry isn't exactly perfect, as people using Farcebook must have already found out (yes, Facebook does a biometric scan on *every* picture you upload - not just the ones you tag), yet again it's sold as *the* solution. Even more astonishing is that they find buyers who still believe that (well, OK, maybe after a certain amount of "encouragement").

The reason it works for the Israelis is simple: people have a much better ability to combine various sense mechanisms when properly trained. Trained people and dogs are in my opinion a *LOT* harder to fool than any machine, however expensive. What's more - it's actually cheaper.

But hey - it was never about security anyway, was it?

It's just another ploy to sell some useless kit..

just another boondogle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648096)

i wouldn't get so scared, most likely the technology is garbage and barely works at all. just another waste of tax payer money.

Re:just another boondogle (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648756)

i wouldn't get so scared, most likely the technology is garbage and barely works at all. just another waste of tax payer money.

That's actually worse, because you're walking down the street and suddenly find a pack of cops with guns drawn shouting at you because they've been told you're an armed robber who doesn't even look remotely like you.

A necessary measure to safeguard freedom (1)

DrDeusEx (2480078) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648100)

Stopping Terror - A New Perspective on Freedom

When one maniac can wipe out a city of twenty million with a microbe developed
in his basement, a new approach to law enforcement becomes necessary. Every
citizen of the world must be placed under surveillance. That means sky-cams
at every intersection, computer-mediated analysis of every phone call, e-mail,
and snail-mail, and a purely electronic economy in which every transaction is
recorded and data-mined for suspicious activity.

We are close to achieving this goal. Some would say that human liberty has
been compromised, but the reality is just the opposite. As surveillance
expands, people become free from danger, free to walk alone at night, free to
work in a safe place, and free to buy any legal product or service without the
threat of fraud. One day every man and woman will quietly earn credits,
purchase items for quiet homes on quiet streets, have cook-outs with neighbors
and strangers alike, and sleep with doors and windows wide open. If that
isn't the tranquil dream of every free civilization throughout history,
what is?

- Anna Navarre, Agent, UNATCO

Re:A necessary measure to safeguard freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37650274)

one maniac can wipe out a city of twenty million

The story of "Deus Ex" is not new. In the seventies, "Starsky and Hutch" battled villains who attempted to kill seventy thousand people. But no-one demanded finger-printing or facial-recognition or transit-centre pat-downs.

In 2001, the Terrorism Phobia (tm) changed to mass-murder of thousands of people. As just mentioned, the idea is not new in fiction. In reality, it is only terror to the survivors who have to clean the disaster and then clean other survivors. In short, this is why nuclear bombs haven't been detonated by terrorists. That scale of destruction is war not political leverage.

Face recognition is a GOOD project (0)

Tolvor (579446) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648112)

Why are so many people unhappy about this? I don't care if the government (federal, state, local) can get an accurate facial recognition / identification program going.

This doesn't interfere with peoples ability to move and work as they want. This just means that if something bad happens (fire, riot, terrorist attack, traffic accident) that the people involved can be quickly identified. The obvious goal is not to prevent or prohibit, but to catch and convict criminals.

This already exists. I fly once a month within the United States, and about once a year internationally. I am certain that there are several databases that have analyzed me and graded me on my "threat" potential. I don't care as long as they do the same for everyone so that my flight can be as safe as possible. I am certain that airports, major shopping malls, sports arenas, concerts, and major metropolitan junctions (ex Times Square in NYC) are monitored, tracked, analyzed, and judged to keep them as safe as possible.

I look forward to the day that when there is a hit-and-run, or a person is assaulted in a sports stadium and put into a coma, or when a there is a riot that the people that did the injury are caught. Too often people have the attitude that they cannot be caught because they will be lost in the crowd.

Are you really protesting being accountable as a loss of liberty?

Re:Face recognition is a GOOD project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648262)

It's a fear of the unknown. Citizens do not trust that politicians have their best interests in mind. There is only one way to find out whether a police state will work for the people, or against them.. which is to obviously let it happen. Some believe it is not a risk worth taking as they do not perceive crime as having a noticeable impact on their daily lives.

Re:Face recognition is a GOOD project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648270)

Their $20 billion system will be easily foiled by a $20 mask or balaclava. Terrorists and criminals will come to know this, and may come to wear more sophisticated, lifelike silicone masks as a normal course of routine... You know, the sort which make Eddie Murphy able to convincingly play six seperate roles in one movie.

Therefore, we must surmise that this system is not designed to track evil-doers, and we must be against it for that reason.

Re:Face recognition is a GOOD project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37650984)

Excellent post 55479846.

You will be spared.

And $3B later... (3, Insightful)

gstrickler (920733) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648232)

it will either work poorly, or will be scrapped.

Re:And $3B later... (2)

cybergrunt69 (730228) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648868)

it will either work poorly, or will be scrapped.

Only $3B? Like most government programs, it will run horribly over-budget, so maybe $7B by the time they are done.
Of course, it will also work properly around 50% of the time. For the 50% wrong side, you should prepare (mentally at least) to be nabbed for something you had nothing to do with.
Yes, you, that wheelchair-bound old white guy in Florida, will be mobbed by the SWAT teams from 17 ThreeLetterAgencies at 4AM, and arrested at gunpoint if you aren't executed.... er...... mistakenly shot 84 times. It doesn't matter that they are looking for Juan Valdez for a bank robbery in Oregon.

After public outcry over the "little whoopsie", congress will authorize another $5B to over-haul the system, as well as extend the invasive measures to ensure those mistakes don't happen again.

Don't forget, this system is not meant to harass normal upstanding citizens, only to help catch bad guys. Kinda like how DHS is just protecting us, and the PATRIOT Act is just for our own protection.

And whether or not it works has nothing to do with it's continued use. It's a huge payday for so many people it will never go away. After being such a huge money-sucker, it will be too embarrassing to kill it and admit to wasting so much cash.

Re:And $3B later... (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 2 years ago | (#37650376)

it will either work poorly, or will be scrapped.

After Face Gate, people will wonder how the ACLU learned so much so damn fast.

I'm all for it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648276)

I can NEVER remember faces......

Wait ... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648332)

The last time they tried something like this it turned into a complete clusterfuck, e.g. revoking the drivers licenses of innocent people due to similar names and facial features.

And their solution to the problem is to implement another project which could backfire even worse???

I foresee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37648558)

... masks becoming the newest fashion craze.

2012? (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648612)

Hasn't that become a common technology already? They use it at the Montecito Casino at Las Vegas. And Jack uses it at the CTU all the time.

Police state. (1)

aleckais (1457189) | more than 2 years ago | (#37648664)

Of course, since their very inception, the U.S.A. are a dictatorship: this is demonstrable with formal rigor, out of their constitution.
Now, what wasn't evident becomes more and more clear.
Poor Americans, if you don't come to democracy, democracy will come to you.

face gate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37651406)

The economy is so bad that we can afford this, but not food and health care.

I am a lefty but would vote ron paul, if it would shrink government enough to shrink away this.

Person of 100 faces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37652144)

Thankfully..

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