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Man With Quadriplegia Controls Robot Arm With Mind

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the give-him-a-hand dept.

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awtbfb writes "Tim Hemmes, with the help of University of Pittsburgh researchers, successfully controlled a robot arm in three dimensions. He's had quadriplegia for seven years. The feat was accomplished using implanted ECoG electrodes and weeks of computer training. From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 'Ever since his accident, Mr. Hemmes said, he's had the goal of hugging his daughter Jaylei.' Next up are six more 30-day participants, followed by a year-long study."

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finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1, Insightful)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 3 years ago | (#37674340)

The last few stories have left me with the sensation that technology has been totallyv appropriated by the nanny state morons.

Please tell me this arm doesn't squeel back to the fbi if it thinks it is being used for "inappropriate touching" or somthing. That would ruin it.

Whatever happened to technology serving humanity? (And no, I don't mean serving the legal papers.)

Back on topic, does the neural grid arraay cause neural scarring like other BCEs?

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674484)

Wow, that sucks.

True, technology can multiply the efforts of good and evil - and here we are, the good, progressing to eventual enabling of the very bane of our lives.

At least some good will come of it all.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (2)

mug funky (910186) | about 3 years ago | (#37674538)

"Ever since his accident, Mr. Hemmes said, he's had the goal of hugging his daughter Jaylei"

i'm imagining a horror ending here where the robot arms are just way too powerful.

i'm a bad person.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 3 years ago | (#37674808)

> i'm a bad person.

Then so am I but I blame Dr Strangelove.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#37674946)

I can hear the Twilight Zone narrator now...

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | about 3 years ago | (#37675130)

His name is Rod Serling [wikipedia.org] . Stop making me feel old.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

squidflakes (905524) | about 3 years ago | (#37680514)

You can't hug your children with robotic arms.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

MichaelKristopeit340 (1967534) | about 3 years ago | (#37674588)

your comments on the last few stories have left be with the sensation that you're an ignorant hypocrite who has absolutely no understanding of anything whatsoever.

you're an idiot.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674774)

your comments on the last few stories have left be with the sensation that you're an ignorant hypocrite who has absolutely no understanding of anything whatsoever.

you're an idiot.

I think you need a lot of hot grits poured down your pants by Natalie Portman. You should also join the Gay Nigger Association of America. They're having a meeting on why BSD is dying. Then we can find some sharks and put a frickin' laser on their heads. There's an XKCD like that someplace. This.

[citation needed]

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

MichaelKristopeit340 (1967534) | about 3 years ago | (#37674984)

ur mum's face need a lot of hot grits.

why do you cower in my shadow? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

your comments on the blah blah mums face (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37675720)

says the guy with 500 user accounts!

fuck you!

Re:your comments on the blah blah mums face (1)

MichaelKristopeit342 (1967640) | about 3 years ago | (#37680542)

fuck ur mum's face.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Did you know! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37675822)

did you know if you use your last mod point to troll a Kristopeit post that's already not at a -1, you instantly get 5 more!

I shit in your mums yard. no actually! and I bet she thought you came home for a minute til she got close!

Re:Did you know! (1)

MichaelKristopeit343 (1967642) | about 3 years ago | (#37680564)

did you know that lying to people is a sign of ignorance?

cower in my shadow some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:Did you know! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37687510)

you have no shadow hiding behind all those user accounts!

hate to waste those mod points!
there's more than one reason to post AC.

When in Rome... Or Racine...

Re:Did you know! (1)

MichaelKristopeit346 (1968126) | about 3 years ago | (#37688752)

you're an ignorant hypocrite and an idiot. i am not hiding. i live at 4513 brittany ct. eau claire, wi 54701. i live there in the house i paid cash for with my wife and children and dogs and numerous firearms.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb.

you're completely pathetic.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

Palpatine_li (1547707) | about 3 years ago | (#37674760)

For your last question, I'd think not. ECoG is just metal on the cortex. Damage? Probably. But it's not inserted into the cortex, so you get way worse signal initially. It's advantage is signal doesn't deteriorate over time.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 3 years ago | (#37677466)

I only wish if a guy were to make some ground breaking research which will get such media attention, that he would have been dressed a little nicer. I am not saying suite and tie type of thing. But not like a punk kid from the 1990's. I mean he is 30 years old. He should dress like an adult.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

Alioth (221270) | about 3 years ago | (#37677868)

Who gives a flying fsck how he dresses? He could be in a cheerleader's outfit for all I care. The important thing is the results, not how the quadraplegic test participant is dressed.

Re:finally! a story that you can feel good about! (1)

tragedy (27079) | about 3 years ago | (#37686356)

You are aware that this guy is a quadriplegic, right? He doesn't dress himself, and the clothes he wears are probably mostly selected for bagginess to make them easier to take off and put on. Also, he probably has a lot of trouble maintaining body temperature, so he has to wear layers as well as headwear to keep warm.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674348)

Seriously. Saw this on google news a day ago. Goatse FTW!!!
 
--QuadrasexualPuppy

Re:So what? (1)

MichaelKristopeit502 (2018076) | about 3 years ago | (#37674444)

first use of robotic arm was to submit a dupe

Welcome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674358)

I, for one, would like to welcome our quadriplegic mind controlled robot overlords.

It's about time, science (1)

broginator (1955750) | about 3 years ago | (#37674388)

Now give the man some turret mounted machine guns and cyborg legs already.

I like where this is going. (0)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | about 3 years ago | (#37674458)

Dear Science:

As soon as you possibly can, please install four Doc-Ock-like arms on my back, to be controlled in the manner described in this story.

Love,
icannotthinkofaname

Re:I like where this is going. (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | about 3 years ago | (#37675158)

This just came for you:

Dear icannotthinkofaname,

I'm on it, buddy.

Love,
Science

P.S. Stop anthropomorphizing me.

Well.. (0)

RobinEggs (1453925) | about 3 years ago | (#37674474)

I for one welcome our new....screw it, this one's too easy.

The army can use stuff like this (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 3 years ago | (#37674492)

and before you know it the super soldiers will be hear.

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

mug funky (910186) | about 3 years ago | (#37674554)

with their super ears?

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

V-similitude (2186590) | about 3 years ago | (#37674582)

Damn it! I was too slow

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

V-similitude (2186590) | about 3 years ago | (#37674574)

and before you know it the super soldiers will be hear.

"hear"....ing? Yep, deaf super soldiers will now hear robotically!

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

Sasayaki (1096761) | about 3 years ago | (#37674590)

Screw supersoldiers. What about all the REAL soldiers that have arms and legs blown off? I'm certain that they would find this technology hugely liberating. ... of course, the best way to avoid all this is to avoid stupid pointless un-winnable guerilla warfare (with the US as the 'occupation') in fundamentalist Islamic countries, but hey. At least we can help those who have been injured.

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37674696)

It won't be a super-soldiers thing as much as a cost-savings thing...

Instead of giving them a discharge and pensioning them out, we can just neural-implant any severely crippled soldiers and retain them as the 'drone operations corps'.

At American military hospital facilities around the world, row after row of shattered bodies, surgically wired into data links from the world's warzones, will mentally pit America's drones against its enemies...

In case that doesn't strike you as sufficiently dystopian, the next step would be to cybernetically equip those whose bodies are intact but whose brains are destroyed to be remote controlled by their comrades who are shattered in body; but still of sound mind...

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#37674942)

That's a great setup for a scifi flick, but it suffers from fridge logic. If we can create mind-controlled drones, why would we have wounded veterans control them? Why not just train perfectly healthy people to control these things, without ever sending them into harms way? Heck, we're already doing exactly that with our current drones, the only difference being that they're controlled by more traditional input devices. Even if we still needed boots on the ground, it's not like the soldiers on the front line have some innate talent for controlling drones.

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | about 3 years ago | (#37675190)

No, not really. It just means you have drones that are either useful, but inferior to direct human action or you have a situation where drones are better at one task and actual humans at another task. Of course, I'm pretty sure I saw all this as a kid on USA Up All Night.

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 years ago | (#37676312)

Training.

If you've got a wounded veteran too damaged to go into combat, you've wasted the years of training and experience. It'd be cheaper to hook him up and give the quick course in neural interface operation than to train a drone operator from scratch. Besides, if the wounded veteran is going to need an implant to operate his artificial limbs anyway, that's money saved.

Re:The army can use stuff like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37680612)

and before you know it the super soldiers will be hearing the lamentations of our women

Re:The army can use stuff like this (1)

DriedClexler (814907) | about 3 years ago | (#37681216)

I'm not worried about the soldiers being "hear". I'm worried about the soldiers being "do". More specifically, about the soldiers being "kill their country's citizens". Or about the soldies being "answer only to the whims of the leader".

"Hear"? No, the I'm fine with the soldiers being that all they want!

the positive in this... (2)

Zibodiz (2160038) | about 3 years ago | (#37674498)

The positive thing about this that surpasses the other advancements of this nature is that they are actually performing trials with more than one lucky person. Some day this may actually become feasible treatment. And that, my friends, is what makes science worthwhile.

Re:the positive in this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674628)

Combine this tech with the Geminoid [geminoid.dk] realism and all of a sudden, you can't tell who's missing limbs. Ideally, the new limbs will be better than the originals with speed, power, and accuracy. I hope someone figures out how to sense touch, temperature, pressure, and even pain. After that is perfected, then getting energy directly from the bloodstream for implants would be the next phase.

Too easy (1)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | about 3 years ago | (#37674504)

Mindquad

Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674548)

I control my biological arm with my mind.

I was about to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674684)

...SO DO I AS WELL!!!

Impressive... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 3 years ago | (#37674586)

The fact that we can pull the data necessary to control the robot arm out of the brain, without unacceptable damage, is pretty damn sci-fi...

Robot arms, though, outside of niche applications, are actually pretty clunky. I wonder how far we are from being able to feed the control signals back into the muscles and nerves that are present; but not receiving the signals they require?

Re:Impressive... (1)

Coolhand2120 (1001761) | about 3 years ago | (#37674904)

Why just an arm? Why only the physical world? Why not just a basic QWERTY keyboard. Once your brain gets the clue that you're controlling what you see it, and the control surface is fluid enough, it will feel like an extension of your own body. It's called Perceptual adaptation [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Impressive... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 3 years ago | (#37674918)

We all have some control over our EEG, just not in the same way for all people. Now that EEGs can be made compact, and attached to a portable computer its actually fairly easy to useful stuff with the signals thus detected. I don't think this will be made transparent to the user without years of practice. It won't feel like a normal limb.

Re:Impressive... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 years ago | (#37676370)

Robot arm beats no arm, or a natural but nonfunctional arm. I'd settle for keyboard and mouse interface.

The military should be interested in this (1)

Time_Ngler (564671) | about 3 years ago | (#37674724)

There's no reason you couldn't transmit data from the human subject to a remote humanoid robot on the battlefield. If this method allowed enough coordination in movement, the robot could easily surpass the ability of a traditional human soldier.

Re:The military should be interested in this (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 3 years ago | (#37674892)

That's a pretty enormous "if", especially given that people with use of their limbs could always just operate joysticks, or strap on some motion capture hardware. There's very little advantage in creating a system to covert thoughts to movement when nature already provides us with such an effective means.

All the same, the military should be interested in this, to give wounded veterans a closer approximation of a normal life following their service.

Re:The military should be interested in this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37698436)

Does the military really care that much about the happiness and well-being of their expended rounds?

Re:The military should be interested in this (1)

amirulbahr (1216502) | about 3 years ago | (#37675098)

Coordination would be very poor without fast, nonvisual feedback.

Re:The military should be interested in this (1)

kiwix (1810960) | about 3 years ago | (#37677646)

There's no reason you couldn't transmit data from the human subject to a remote humanoid robot on the battlefield.

We already have very good ways to transmit data from a human subject to a machine, using all kinds of controllers (the most common is probably a steering wheel). We don't need to do it directly from the brain.

Re:The military should be interested in this (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | about 3 years ago | (#37681334)

We don't need to do it directly from the brain.

Shuddup, of course we do!

Same tech lets government control YOUR limbs (-1, Troll)

Roark Meets Dent (650119) | about 3 years ago | (#37674726)

I hate to be a spoil-sport, but this same technology is already being implanted in people EN MASSE in all western countries without their knowledge or consent [jeffpolachek.com] . It's neurotechnology in your brain and it lets a remote operator control your REAL limbs and nervous system functions from a computer terminal. They can also put thoughts, images and sound into your mind, and read your natural ones. It's not science fiction, it's really happening now and it is being done for political control of populations, not just to help those poor paraplegics.

Re:Same tech lets government control YOUR limbs (1)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | about 3 years ago | (#37677726)

No it isn't. It's as much bullshit as Chemtrails. They'd have to implant stuff into your brain without you knowing. That's a tough challenge to do with one subject and you think the majority of the US citizens have had this done? Unrealistic to say the least.

da da da da da da da! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674838)

"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man. Steve Austin^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M Tim Hemmes will be that man. Better than he was before. Better...stronger...faster."........

Ahhh, where is Oscar Goldman when you need him? On a more serious note, I know guys who did the dive from the railway trestle into the pond, hit their neck on the rock and now use a pointer between their teeth to type into a computer. Still crazy ("It was always fun to get into a Chevy Pickup with a 350 big block under the hood, get it up to 80 on the icy highway, then slam on the emergency brake and crank the wheel and go for a hell of a ride"). But this would give them a new lease on life. If you are a daredevil (a.k.a. trouble junkie or adrenaline junkie), the only thing that gets you off is the crazy stuff. You have to do it till you die (and that all depends on whether you survive). So long as there is a brain and neurons able to actuate motors/muscles/whatever, you have a chance at going again. Hopefully, this technology will be used responsibly.

Re:da da da da da da da! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37674982)

As someone in a very similar situation to the guy in the article I find these kinds of stories fascinating.
I skimmed the article as it appears they're at the "Look it moves where we want it to most of the time...
kinda slowly but it gets there. We've got nothing usable but its almost funding time".

This kind of technology being useful is still 20 years away but its good to see they're still working on it.

In Soviet Russia (1)

Roachie (2180772) | about 3 years ago | (#37674878)

Robot control YOUR mind!

Re:In Soviet Russia (0)

Roark Meets Dent (650119) | about 3 years ago | (#37674944)

Not just in Russia ... it is happening in the USA, Canada, EU countries, Australia, etc. too. It's called synthetic telepathy and is an application of modern neurotechnology.

Re:In Soviet Russia (1)

Roachie (2180772) | about 3 years ago | (#37683392)

Ah! Capitalist world steal superior Soviet mind control technology!

boring... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37675302)

Wake me up when you can control women with your mind. That's far more conducive to a health life!

I misread this (1)

cyberfringe (641163) | about 3 years ago | (#37675556)

When I first read this headline I saw, "Robot with mind controls man with quadriplegia". Now that would be real news. Imagine my disappointment. Brains controlling robot arms is OLD. O. L. D.

Dr. Strangelove (1)

wisebabo (638845) | about 3 years ago | (#37675598)

How long will it be until someone hacks into the interface and controls the arm remotely (ending up like Dr. Stangelove's Nazi-Arm).

Would it be admissible as a defense against a crime? "Your Honor, I didn't do it, my (robotically controlled) arm did!"

Hey! Why not BRIDGE THE GAP! (1)

wisebabo (638845) | about 3 years ago | (#37676432)

Ok, I'm obviously missing something but if they have an interface from his (brain) neurons to some electronics why can't they put in an interface from the electronics to his (lower body) neurons!

Essentially use the electronics to bridge the place where (I assume) the neurons are broken.

Of course there would need to be protections against hacking or this would bring a whole new set of connotations to the term "Zombies" both in popular culture and as referred to with computers that have been taken over.

science (1)

infashion2011 (2332952) | about 3 years ago | (#37677690)

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Who? (1)

flibbidyfloo (451053) | about 3 years ago | (#37678128)

Quadriplegia was definitely my favorite album by The Who.

Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37679306)

Does he have to think in Russian?

I... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37681390)

"I never asked for this."

The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton? (1)

Kittenman (971447) | about 3 years ago | (#37684444)

Larry Niven? Who's with me, here...
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