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Real Life Super Hero Arrested

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the not-super-enough dept.

Crime 590

First time accepted submitter Pat Attack writes "In an ironic twist of fate, Phoenix Jones, a self-styled super hero from Seattle, has landed in jail. Jones happened upon a group of people fighting in the street and tried to stop the fight using pepper spray. He was arrested by police on four counts of assault. The New York Daily News quotes Jones: 'I've been shot once and I don't really want it to happen again. I've been stabbed twice, hit with a baseball bat and had my nose broken,' he says. 'But in all those incidents I helped someone who was in danger. If someone is going to take that punishment it should be the guy in body armor,' he said."

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590 comments

Darmok and Jalad at Seattle (5, Funny)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689660)

Phoenix, his eyes closed. Phoenix, when the walls fell.

Re:Darmok and Jalad at Seattle (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689828)

>If someone is going to take that punishment it should be the guy in body armor,' he said."

His eyes wide open!

Re:Darmok and Jalad at Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690336)

+1

Re:Darmok and Jalad at Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690178)

The river alphate in winter

Re:Darmok and Jalad at Seattle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690446)

I hate it when I can't remember which NG episode that is from... Brilliant!

HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689662)

For those wondering about these new "superheroes," it's actually a movement [wikipedia.org] of sorts. There was an excellent HBO documentary [imdb.com] on them a while back. They're even forming groups now. When I heard about the documentary, I just expected to laugh at these guys. But it's actually a very interesting portrait of some well-meaning, though often a little deluded, guys who really do want to make the world a better place. I ended up feeling both sorry for them and a little envious of them at the same time.

One of the best points they made was that they are "patrolling" areas where the cops really don't give a shit. For example, at one point in the documentary a homeless guy gets run over by a car during one of the superhero group patrols. It's the "superheroes" who stop to help him. But when they call the cops to report it, they don't even show up. Even when they try to flag down a cop car as the guy is still laying on the ground bleeding, the cops just keep driving. It's the "superheroes" who take him to the hospital and then even track down the car that hit him (driven by an obviously intoxicated driver). But, again, when they call the cops on the drunk driver, they're basically told to fuck off.

As crazy as these guys are, I can't say that I don't understand why they do what they do. It's not just a bunch of losers wanting to be the comic book heroes of their fantasies. Some of them really do look around and say that the world NEEDS superheroes, especially the neighborhoods where no one else (including the cops) seems to give a shit. Part of me wishes I could have their faith in humanity. They may be deluded, but they're certainly not do-nothing cynics.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (3, Insightful)

esocid (946821) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689780)

They may not be do-nothing cynics, but the last thing we need is deluded people with "martial arts training" running around macing people.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Insightful)

tmosley (996283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689820)

I would say we need these guys a lot more than we need thugs assaulting each other or random people in the streets.

If I got jumped by a bunch of guys, I would rather have someone in body armor show up with mace than no-one at all.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Insightful)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689924)

Yeah, one of the most poignant lines in Kick Ass is where he's valiantly trying to fight off a bunch of guys kicking the shit out of someone (and him too). One of the assailants says "The fuck is wrong with you, man? You'd rather die for some piece of shit that you don't even fucking know?" and he replies "The three assholes, laying into one guy while everybody else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me?"

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689980)

I would say we need these guys a lot more than we need thugs assaulting each other or random people in the streets.

I only half agree. If groups of thugs want to kill each other off, I don't have a problem with that. It's only when they start attacking other people that it's a problem...

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690132)

It wasn't until I read your comment that I realized the guy you replied to was describing the bad guys.

I thought he meant the police.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690412)

Cops rarely assault cops. Blue wall and all that.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0, Troll)

alexo (9335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690530)

It wasn't until I read your comment that I realized the guy you replied to was describing the bad guys.

I thought he meant the police.

The police *are* the bad guys.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690362)

I would say we need these guys a lot more than we need thugs in uniform assaulting us in the streets.

There fixed that for you

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (2)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689880)

You might be pretty happy to see them if you were in trouble and the cops just kept driving. I'd rather have some well-meaning, if a little deluded, "superhero" help me out than some lazy-ass cop who acts like I'm waking him up from nap-time when I dial 911.

Fortunately I live in the kind of neighborhood where I can dial 911 and the cops will show up in minutes and call me "sir" to boot. But not everyone does.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690186)

Depending on the city and the police force you call even nice neighborhoods get ignored. I live in a relatively nice middle class neighborhood in one of the top 5 cities in the US by population. Cheap houses are $200K and expensive ones are $300K-$500K (after the bubble collapse). We have a deal with the local county cops where we pay them or donate to police charity or something and they patrol our area (which IMO ought to be illegal but apparently isn't and no I'm not talking about taxes) but we are also covered by city cops.

I had someone (most likely joy rider car thieves according to the cops) shoot a round and hit my house a couple of years back. We called the city cops and reported it. I also called the county as well because my home owners group had drilled it into us that we were paying for them so use them. The cops we were paying showed up in about 2-5 minutes despite the fact that we clearly told them the danger had passed and no one was injured. They came rolling in with 3 cars, lights going, obviously making a show of responding and agreed to handle filing the reports and talking to the city cops (these guys were county cops) and getting all the paperwork straight. The city police woke me up 10 hours later and was irritated that I had called another group despite the fact that both are responsible for the area.

Now I'm not for the way my HOA has donated to have one set of cops on speed dial and I think it's just another example of how everything in modern society to some degree or another is corrupted by money but if I lived in a neighborhood where the police response time was 10 hours (like the official emergency service where I live) I'd be thankful that these deluded guys or even regular old neighborhood watch was trying to do something. When the cops start responding to all neighborhoods in a timely manner then I won't care what happens to these guys but its hard not to at least partially appreciate even a deluded idiot who is trying to do something that others won't even when it is their job.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

chronoglass (1353185) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690400)

We have a deal with the local county cops where we pay them or donate to police charity or something and they patrol our area (which IMO ought to be illegal but apparently isn't and no I'm not talking about taxes) but we are also covered by city cops.

My cousin is a sheriff in CA and the county in most places won't pay overtime. Instead they offer "rent-a-cop" time. I am very against "the rich" abusing "their power" but this is something I completely understand and agree with. If a community wants to organize and "vote with their wallets" there isn't any reason they shouldnt be allowed to.. since it also ends up helping the officers in most cases.

are there exceptions? of course. but they should be handled harshly. regardless of whether you are on real time, or "rent a cop" time.. you're still a cop, and you enforce for everyone, not JUST that community.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689946)

yup, much better to have cops with tasers 'running around' using only their own judgement.

hey, at least those thugs are better dressed and all in same-looking gang attire, too! they don't go by name but instead by number (although their friends know their real names). hmmm, yeah, is it kind of gang like, isn't it?

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690004)

So, you are against the police?

Oh wait, too many of the donut eaters couldn't survive a single, serious martial arts workout. So we give them Tasers and guns. But that didn't do anything about the delusions. And yes, many of them are more deluded than the "superhero" group.

You look down on these guys and call them deluded when the are helping others. The folks they helped are exceptionally grateful these guys are around.

Hopefully you never need someone bigger and stronger to defend you. If you do, please inform your defender that you think he is delusional before he helps you. That way he can let you get beaten or killed rather than receive help from someone you mock.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Aeros (668253) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690296)

I don't know, you might want to ask the homeless guy who got run over what he thinks.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690616)

And what makes you think they are deluded? Just because they are doing something? They are standing up for weaker people?
Actually saving people instead of those worthless twats in police cars that most of the time couldn't care less about people unless they got paid?
These people have more balls than most cops combined.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Interesting)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689796)

There should be a legal way of being a "superhero", which lets face it, unless they have something wrong with them means the person is not a vigilante but just wants to help.

For example, I live in London and here we have something called special constables who get regular police training and donate their spare time to being a police officer with all the privileges and titles of that role. For this they get free travel and expenses (basically lunch/dinner). Would it be so hard for cities all over the world to have similar programmes? If someone can pass the training AND they're doing it for free, they can be that superhero patrolling the neighbourhoods that career police aren't interested in, hell; if you keep patrolling the same neighbourhood you get attached to it and the people to you which means you can learn more as well about what needs to be done. We also have something called Safer Neighbourhoods for this as well, it can work in places outside of London I'm sure.

Spoken as an ex- community support officer in London so I might be biased for police slightly. /Maq

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (2)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689892)

There should be a legal way of being a "superhero", which lets face it, unless they have something wrong with them means the person is not a vigilante but just wants to help.

Contact you local police force and find out if they have an "Auxiliary"

I don't know about London but lots of US police forces have Auxiliarys that citizens can join. They usually volunteers, they get some weekend training, but nothing on the level of an actual office, and some more limited police powers, depends on the state and local laws.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (3, Informative)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690058)

We have two sorts plastic policemen in the UK.

The Specials (not the yellow bus type) - full body amour, full powers, part timers, normally attend Friday and Saturday night pissed up punch-ups and football matches. Hated because they do it for free - it's all about gaining power and gold stars.

Community Service Officers - no power, only report crimes. Jumped up little Hitlers. The next step up from a traffic warden. Useless waste of money as they get paid a wage.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690116)

We have one of those stationed at the school I work at. Does wonders for intimidating the little brats sometimes. Sure, a CSO's powers are limited... but the pupils don't know that.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690470)

Heh, I agree about the Community support officers! I was amongst the 3rd batch trained and when I passed a laughably short training the police had no idea on how to use me. Took them 2yrs to really figure it out and by then I got bored, decided that becoming a regular wasn't for me and moved into IT. The CSO's really are quite bad (even if a lot of them have their heart in the right place at least).

Specials in every city _would_ make the world a better place, simple as that. Career police tend to be the bullys. Hell, I wouldn't want to be a regular officer but I'm tempted as hell to be a special because they do get the full training. Just don't try and become a regular officer when you're a special since HR will hold that against you (why pay for something that you do for free).

I do take offence at calling special's plastic sir. It's the PCSO's that are plastic/diet coke/margarine of the police world :lol:

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690098)

... and then you'll be privy to all the excitement of setting up traffic detours and hanging around construction sites! Auxiliary police do nothing but harmless gopher work.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690678)

Specials have to patrol with a real police officer, so that doesn't work.

But CSOs are pretty much the same as these superheroes - civilians who have no authority. Except CSOs seem to spend most of their time hassling underage drinkers and pursuing other victimless crimes, rather than doing anything particularly "super".

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689862)

Full video here: http://vimeo.com/30307440 [vimeo.com]

And yeah, given the response we're seeing in these articles by the police even after seeing the video ourselves it just shows precisely what these guys are trying to change.

From another article I read they wouldn't even hear about the hit and run you see on the video let alone everything else that's clearly an altercation going on.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Shotgun (30919) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690402)

The most venome you'll ever get in life will be when you point out that someone, who claims to deserve a high wage for being a professional, is worthless, by doing the same job off-handedly as a volunteer.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

appmudpie (2479336) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689866)

At least he's not FARTMAN.

Sounds sort of like a militia (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689928)

Sounds sort of like a militia, or community policing. Seems almost sensible except for the costumes.

Re:Sounds sort of like a militia (3, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690002)

Well, in the U.S. at least, the Guardian Angels [wikipedia.org] have been around for decades.

Re:Sounds sort of like a militia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690196)

I was actively recruited by the Guardian Angels in Boston. To my shame I was to afraid to join. That's one of those decisions I've come to regret. I know that riding home on the Orange Line late at night felt safer with the Guardian Angles on the train.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Insightful)

daid303 (843777) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689932)

Superheroes my ass. These people are not superheroes. Superheroes are people with special powers they use for good.

These guys are better then superheroes. They are real life heroes. They do good things, just to help people, and not because they have special powers, they do it without special powers! Calling them superheroes like they are from a comic book with special powers doesn't do them right.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690046)

They have super powers. They have the power 99.99% of us lack to actually try and do something about it.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690090)

Superheroes are people with special powers they use for good.

*nerd hat on*

What about Batman or the Green Arrow? Unless 'having lots of money' is a special power, they didn't have any. They just put on body armour and went and helped people - making them a much better role model than someone like Superman who is basically invulnerable.

*nerd hat off*

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Insightful)

Serenissima (1210562) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690348)

*nerd hat off*

If you're posting on Slashdot, I'm pretty sure that hat doesn't come off ;)

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690410)

Batman's being able to do what he does for more than one season is already a superpower.

Any normal human being, even with the extreme training and the suit, would have stopped in 6 months or so. They would fall bad and get a sprain. They would accumulate small traumas on the head. Those things pile up. He either has super-damage-avoiding, super-regeneration, or simply super-luck.

Not to mention that in addition to being extremely fit, he's allegedly extremely intelligent and cultivated. I'd call that super-getting-things-done :P.

He also seems to have mild anti-aging powers. For all the things he's supposed to have done, he'd need decades.

Green Arrow, I know nothing of him.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690422)

"Having lots of money" actually counts, in my eyes. At least, if it's inherited. It's still something that just happens to you, that most people aren't blessed with. It also makes the decision to fight crime a lot easier, since you can afford proper equipment.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690428)

I grant that the official story is that Batman and Green Arrow do not have superpowers, but no normal human could ever in a million years do what they do. Batman is impossibly skilled, impossibly durable, and impossibly well-prepared. Green Arrow can perform trick shots that no human archer could ever hope to duplicate no matter how many times they attempted it, with no preparation, while people are shooting at him, and like Batman is an impossibly skilled and durable martial artist. They "don't have superpowers" only because the comic book authors somehow claim that these abilities are "natural".

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

sheehaje (240093) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690636)

Batman had super money. And a super chip on his shoulder. I guess that's not a super power, but well above ordinary joe that wants to help people.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690170)

Pretty much. The idea of a superhero is someone that can do good against the odds and live another day to do it all over again. It's the classic morale boosting story about how good can always overcome evil. This is why such stories are mainly presented to children. It's uplifting. Unfortunately the real world isn't so kind with reality siding with evil as being effective. And let's face it, there have been many evil men and regimes that have been very very effective at accomplishing their goals. But yes, these guys are real heros for going up against bad people against the odds. Firemen, police officers, and even the peace corps rank among heros.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689934)

It occurs to me that Batman is pretty much the same as these guys. It kind of changes what makes the comic so fantastic. It's not the existence of Batman, but the fact that he's well known and accepted as (more or less) normal.

What happens if we get used to superheroes? Batman ceases to be fantasy, beyond simple exaggeration.

Bicyclerepairman (1)

tinkerton (199273) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690518)

he's a superhero. I recall he had superhearing abilities for one. And useful for the community.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (1)

KDEnut (1673932) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690020)

In my day, they were called vigilante militias.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (5, Insightful)

2fuf (993808) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690094)

Reading the news lately feels more and more like reading the Onion

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690648)

Have you read the Onion lately? I've tried to, but there doesn''t appear to be much reading any more.

Re:HBO "Superheroes" documentary on these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690276)

I think you need to re-watch that part. The homeless guy being hit and the drunk driver are different incidents.

Incorrect title. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689712)

"Real Life Superhero"? I think a more accurate title would be 'Man in Superhero Costume Arrested"

Why Shaktiman did not save him? (3, Interesting)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689742)

The TV in India was in the firm grip of the Govt of India till about the early 1990s. All programming was decided by bureaucrats drawing a govt salary with absolutely no incentive to worry about how well the audience liked it. So most Desi[*] kids were protected from the knowledge about super heros. One of the things that happened along with liberalization of India was the first super hero TV serial named "Shaktiman" (loosely translated as powerful man), who flew into the rescue of all the helpless. Well, suddenly a few Desi kids jumped off their balconies hoping to be rescued by Shaktiman. Caused quite a stir and media flurry then. I think one of those kids landed on its head, got deranged and grew up to the Phoenix Jones.

[*] Desi is a better term than Indian. Thanks to Columbus' misnaming, native Americans are also called Indians. Desi is not a derogatory reference. Use if freely and get it into OED.

Re:Why Shaktiman did not save him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690282)

PJ is black, not Desi.

Re:Why Shaktiman did not save him? (1)

Quantum_Infinity (2038086) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690284)

'Desi' does not mean Indian. It is a common noun of Hindi that simply means 'native' or 'of one's own country'. So anybody can use it regardless of their nationality.

Hmmm.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689746)

If they were fighting in public, surely they were breaking some law themselves, and he was attempting to stop it. Granted I'm sure he broke some law too, but did the fighters get arrested as well as they should have? It seems kinda like the cops had a vendetta against the psycho in a funny costume but not against the original criminals. I guess superhero comics are accurate.

Re:Hmmm.... (2)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690042)

Why would the cops want to stifle someone who is doing their jobs better than they are without pay? There is certainly no conflict of interest there.

Ironically or maybe sadly (5, Interesting)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689748)

Ironically or maybe sadly he got more of a punishment than that NYC cop who maced those protesting girls, for no reason.

Re:Ironically or maybe sadly (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689816)

Officer Anthony Bologna has yet to be given his comeuppance.

Re:Ironically or maybe sadly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689972)

I can not wait until he has been.

Re:Ironically or maybe sadly (5, Funny)

Surt (22457) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690114)

I think you mean Tony Boloney.

Re:Ironically or maybe sadly (0)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690158)

From the video it looked like he was trying to shut them up, and I'm sure some comeuppance is on the way, but lets not go nuts about the severity of the macing.

I've seen hundreds of people sprayed and never once have I seen anyone actually need medical treatment. I've seen dozens of hand to hand take-downs following careful training guidelines, and I've seen several broken limbs and a broken neck so severe that it caused an internal decapitation.

I'm glad that Tony Bologna sprayed those girls instead of trying to shut them up another way. People recover from being maced.

Re:Ironically or maybe sadly (2)

Captain Hook (923766) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690536)

Why did they need shuting up in the first place?

Walter Kovacs responds: (3, Funny)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689752)

Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No." They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice. Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say.

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689844)

You obviously don't understand the meaning of communism and liberal.
Please don't confuse them with what passes for communism and liberal in the U.S.

Now, the story is about the problem with a society where everyone just looks out for themselves and doesn't care about human value.
This has nothing to do with capitalism vs communism or liberalism vs fascism. All of them can exsist freely without people caring for each other.

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (2)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689910)

*Woosh!*

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689948)

You got whooshed!

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689964)

You've obviously not seen "the Watchmen"... it's the movie he's quoting you bleeding heart liberal.

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690230)

Seen... Movie?... Read a comic book.

This was a Rorschach test. (2)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690008)

Your response seems odd to me.
Must have missed it.

Who watches the Watchmen?

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690118)

Rorschach sucks!!!

**couldn't help myself......

Re:Walter Kovacs responds: (0)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690332)

>Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers.

Stupid liberals with their non-discriminatory laws, weekends, and social safety nets. Stupid intellectuals who don't believe in god or starting a posse!

> Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay

Funny how that didn't work out too well during the industrial revolution when the market was in charge and it took regulation and labor unions as well as massive protests before that was even possible.

Ugh, I love how Rorschach went from being a complete and utter right-wing psychopath to the posterboy of "common sense" in America. Wow, just wow.

Video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689758)

Here [vimeo.com] is the video of what happened. It is not clear that these people were fighting btw: according to some accounts they were "dancing and having fun".

It's a Bird... (1)

satuon (1822492) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689804)

It's a Bird...It's a Plane...It's Pepperman

What a fucking idiot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689840)

Stay out of other people's business. He needs to be shot.

Re:What a fucking idiot (1)

plsenjy (2104800) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689944)

Sounds like the musings of a Real Life Supervillain.

Re:What a fucking idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690320)

For example: If my wife and I are arguing and we come to blows (which can happen -- she's bigger than me) and some asshole tried to break it up -- both of us will fucking pummel him and be within our rights to claim self defense. Yes, we'll say we weren't fighting and will press charges over the principle of him interfering with our personal argument.

This is probably similar to what happened in this case. He had it coming.

Where does it end? If he hears shouting in a home, does he commit breaking and entering? He definitely needs shot in that hypothetical.

I was modded -1. Censorship for posting an unpopular opinion. Typical slashdot hypocrisy. This is why the world doesn't listen to you geeks.

Re:What a fucking idiot (1)

tonywong (96839) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690572)

So the person who's trying to break up physical violence is the asshole? Then you'd conspire to lie about it in order for the intervening party to face charges? Way to be narcissistic. Let me guess, you'd see some guy raping a girl in the back alley and you'd keep walking because you'd be interfering.

Re:What a fucking idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690608)

I was modded -1. Censorship for posting an unpopular opinion.

You were modded -1 because you're a fucktard who can't fucking express a fucking opinion without fucking it up, fucker.

Consider http://idle.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2472348&cid=37689780 [slashdot.org] who managed to dissent without sounding like a juvenile little prat who learned a new word to piss off mommy and daddy. Right now, he's at +1.

Re:What a fucking idiot (1)

tmosley (996283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690420)

More like a low class henchman.

Bound to happen to this guy sooner or later. (3, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689902)

Seriously. I understand what he's trying to do and "say".

In the society we currently inhabit, people are encouraged to be complete assholes to one another. As such, he was going to get arrested sooner or later for something like this.

Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery. So all one of these drunk little hooligans needed to do was tell the cop they wanted to press charges.

Sod super heroes (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689960)

Sod super heroes. I want a super-vilain.

Re:Sod super heroes (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690034)

The Koch brothers already claimed that mantle.

Re:Sod super heroes (1)

Fast Thick Pants (1081517) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690120)

Unless you want to count Murdoch, I think Richard Branson's our best bet. After somebody runs over his cat or something.

Re:Sod super heroes (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690304)

Florida Elected a Lex Luthor clone as governor, his name is Rick Scott. Defrauding medicare, kicking puppies and trying to get rid of aliens like superman.

Re:Sod super heroes (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690322)

What about Scorpio? Didn't he conquer the east coast in the 90s?

Re:Sod super heroes (1)

tmosley (996283) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690438)

Look no further than the arch-villian, "The Bernank".

Who watches the Watchmen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37689974)

Or Rain City Superhero Movement in this case...

Getting maced isn't THAT bad. (-1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 2 years ago | (#37689984)

Seriously. I was sprayed with military grade OC and then had to run an obstacle course and fight someone as a deployment requirement while in the Marines.

It hurts, but you get over it. Everyone's losing their damn mind ever since Tony Bologna sprayed those girls, but there's good reason to use the stuff to pacify a situation. With pepper spray nobody gets hurt, where as physical restraints can, and frequently do, lead to all sorts of injuries.

Re:Getting maced isn't THAT bad. (2)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690444)

Nobody gets hurt, unless they're asthmatic, or have an allergy to oleoresin or capsaicin, in which case you're probably fucked because the stuff causes airway constriction by default and allergic reactions can cause anaphylactic shock. It's not like giving your cat a spritz of water for trying to eat the houseplants.

YOU FAIL IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690000)

vary for differXent ser7es to reinforce

Phoenix does NOT represent us... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690202)

Phoenix Jones does NOT represent the typical "real life superhero". He is sponsored and equipped by media companies, he "patrols" with reporters and cameramen in tow, and he is a professed "outsider" who claims to be "better" than the rest of us, even thought he is among the newest of us - he's only been around for a year or so.

SOME of us don't go for the publicity, don't dress up, and don't wear masks, but we still patrol our neighborhoods and help people when we can. Some of us don't even call ourselves "heroes", just concerned citizen patrolmen, extreme altruists (X-Alts), and other less-lofty titles. Some of us have been doing this under your collective noses for as long as 20 years, and have never been in jail, or had any complaints. Especially from those we help. Some of us dress in colorful costumes and do nothing but homeless outreach, keeping people alive on the streets (like Thanatos in Vancouver, look HIM up!). The costume is used to draw attention to the cause. Some of us simply do outreach or neighborhood crime fighting without costumes. Some of us are animal right activists, some are environmentalists, some just help by shoveling snow off of people's drives.

A great many of us are trained in relevant fields - we have tons of soldiers, cops, EMT/Paramedics, nurses, security guards, firefighters, private investigators, high-level computer geeks, etc. Sure, we have our share of basement-dwelling kids and thrill-seekers, but those tend to get weeded out pretty quickly if their heads and hearts aren't in the right place. Phoenix stands apart, both by choice and consensus. Most of us predicted he'd end up in jail, and unfortunately, he has.

Point is, we come in all flavors, from quiet and in the background, to media-hounding insanity.
So while you guys are yukking it up, try to remember that this man is NOT typical in our group.
Find out the real truth for yourselves.

The Irony (1)

Wattos (2268108) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690262)

Had this guy been beaten to death and had he not worn a costume, he would be now hailed as a hero and probably given a medal or two.

Since, this guy survived and hides his identity (one way or another) he is treated like a common thug.

WTF? Its ******** pepper spray. It is not like he has caused any irrepairable damage. Such treatment only discourages people from helping each other >_>

Re:The Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690524)

He's been doing this for years and has received a lot of attention, much of it praise, and has not been arrested for superhero activities before.

Re:The Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690538)

From what I see in the video, most of the aggression was targeting "Phoenix Jones". Since no one has come forward to defend his intervention, I think it is likely that he misinterpreted the situation and escalated the level of violence.

If you had been out with your friends, having a good time, and suddenly some guy in a mask started shouting at you and using pepper spray, I would imagine that you'd be on the other side of the argument. Yes, pepper spray avoids physical damage, but that doesn't make it any less of an assault.

Article is Wrong - Guy Has Become a Pest (4, Insightful)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690394)

Officer at scene says there was no fight. Friends involved said there was no fight. This "super hero" in fact is just a self-filled Super Pest, who is becoming obnoxious and running up to people being boisterous and having a good time and spraying them with pepper spray. This character did some good in the past but now he's delusional and a nuisance. Police have warned him before that if he continues to jump into situations of which he has no understanding, he'll be arrested for assaulting people with pepper spray. Add to this that this "super hero" is a mixed martial artist, that makes him dangerous to the public. He should be locked up, he's crossed the line.

Cosplaying Whackjob Assualts Group of Friends (2)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690488)

Phoenix used to do some good, but now runs up to innocent people horsing around and douses them with pepper spray, as in this case. His fantasy has run away with himself, he is now a public nuisance. Being charged with assault and battery might wake him back into reality.

Re:Cosplaying Whackjob Assualts Group of Friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690566)

Yeah, that's what the cops say... and probably pro-cop journalists like that J.Jonah Jameson.

Where's the Super Hero? (1)

MrRobahtsu (8620) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690588)

I read an article about a delusional criminal and kept waiting for a hero to show up. I never saw one.

Now, I've been called lots of names because I carry a gun every day, but I'm not a vigilante. Intervening in that situation was just plain stupid. No, criminal. And it could have been much worse. There's the story of the guy who heard a woman screaming rape, so he came and shot her assailant. Turned out she was a prostitute and the guy he shot was an undercover cop.

I will defend myself and my family. Intervening when you have no idea who is the good guy and who is the bad guy is a good way to end up in jail or dead. For no good reason:
http://www.stoppingpower.net/commentary/comm_dangers_in_intervention.asp
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/09/robert-farago/dont-shoot-three-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-sav-a-stranger/

Re:Where's the Super Hero? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690642)

There's the story of the guy who heard a woman screaming rape, so he came and shot her assailant. Turned out she was a prostitute and the guy he shot was an undercover cop.

So if he's not wearing his gang colors, it's perfectly alright to go around raping prostitutes. Good to know.

yuo Fail It!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37690700)

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Who watches the watchmen? (2)

jockeys (753885) | more than 2 years ago | (#37690702)

Where is the line between hero and vigilante? I want to believe that people like this are a good idea, but having seen human nature, I simply cannot.

Human nature + anonymity + enough time = unpardonable act of vigilante "justice"
Watch and wait.
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