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iDevice (-1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693628)

They stole my word! Sweet

Re:iDevice (0)

BatGnat (1568391) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693664)

they took his word!!!!

Re:iDevice (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693800)

Day terk hiz werb!

Re:iDevice (2, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693974)

Der turkin iz weeeeerbs! >_<

Re:iDevice (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694072)

Deeer terrrrr irrrr werrrrrrrrrr!

Re:iDevice (3, Funny)

elguap0 (758827) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694312)

Wow, Siri's speech-to-text is horrible!!

Re:iDevice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693702)

They stole my word! Sweet

So it was your fault? Thanks a lot.

Re:iDevice (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693804)

You should've said...

Thanks iLot.

Re:iDevice (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694060)

Would iT help iF iSaid iSorry?

umm... (4, Insightful)

Mockylock (1087585) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693658)

"Already years ahead of everything else"? I'm guessing that's why they're adding features that catch up to Android and even some from WP7. But, hey.. if you're a fan, it doesn't mean you need to know about other devices around you, as long as it's shiny and made by Apple, it will suffice.. and if it doesn't, they'll make sure that you think it does.

As usual, not the first for the basics (1, Troll)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693724)

But as usual, the first to make the whole concept work together so well even the average brain-dead consumer has no problem using it to its potential.

Look at Time Machine. We've had differential backups for years, "shadow copy" in Windows even. But Time Machine just rolls it all up to work perfectly with no learning curve.

Re:As usual, not the first for the basics (5, Insightful)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693874)

But Time Machine just rolls it all up to work perfectly with no learning curve.

...except when it doesn't work, ditches your backup volume, and requires a complete new backup. Please stop pretending that Apple technology is more than it is.

Re:As usual, not the first for the basics (0)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693926)

Quiet, infidel! You're questioning the core philosophy of Unix [wikipedia.org] !

Re:As usual, not the first for the basics (2)

Quila (201335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694262)

I've never had a problem in years of using Time Machine.

Apple took some basic technologies: inodes in the file system, the Spotlight search and indexing system (to keep track of what's been updated), and put a brain-dead easy to user interface on it. Now you can browse through your backups as if you were browing through your file system. Even better, it enables one-click restore of everything (including user accounts and applications) when reinstalling the OS.

Does it break occasionally? I guess it might. Nothing in computers is 100% perfect. But it was revolutionary as far as getting users to do backups without even having to understand a thing about backups.

Re:umm... (2, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693818)

Doesn't the hate and bashing ever get tiring?

Poor Persecuted Apple Fanboys (0, Flamebait)

VisibleSchlong (2422274) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694088)

Having to suffer the hate generated from the patent trolling Mothership to not having the rest of the computing world jump for joy that iOS has yet again 'magically' ripped off old Android features and tried to pass them off as 'Apple Innovations!!!'.

Poor liddle iFanboy.

Re:umm... (2)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693910)

I'd say the hype depends on the feature in use. The ability for apps to use iCloud for data storage (key:value pairs as well as documents) is nice to have.

As for backups to the cloud, on Android, you have comparable -- just use Titanium Backup and Dropbox. To boot, Titanium Backup encrypts all backups to boot, so if the DB account gets compromised, your app's data is secure.

Realistically, blowing away all hype, iOS 5 gives you:

Scroll down from the task bar, and you get some decent widget-like functionality. Not as in depth as Android, but at least it is there for stuff at a glance.

iCloud for music is excellent. Especially with the service that scans your MP3 stash and allows you to download AAC files on the go. This functionality is something Android lacks. Same with downloading movies.

The ability to have pictures uploaded to the cloud immediately is useful. I'm sure there are Android apps which give this, but don't know any offhand.

The one thing I wish iCloud could offer -- ability to save and archive off app data, is missing. Say I want to uninstall a game but keep the saved game, I have to resort to jailbreaking, and then using PkgBackup or AppBackup to pull the data to a safe place. With Android, any backup utility (I prefer Titanium Backup, but I'm sure others are able to do it) will allow you to save off the latest Angry Birds scores and uninstall the app if you need the space.

iOS 5's main feature is iCloud. Time will tell how useful it is. I do hope for a tethered JB, so I can have it do iCloud backups without needing a Wi-Fi connection though.

Re:umm... (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693944)

Correction: Untethered JB. The tethered JB is out (for the iPhone 4, and supposedly the 4S's turn is coming), but not many Cydia apps work with iOS's 5 structure as of now, so it can't hurt to just give it time until iBlacklist, BiteSMS, etc. get updated.

Re:umm... (1, Informative)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694110)

iCloud for music is excellent. Especially with the service that scans your MP3 stash and allows you to download AAC files on the go. This functionality is something Android lacks.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with SugarSync? [sugarsync.com]
In fact I would choose SugarSync over iCloud even on an Apple product simply because I can sync/stream to just about any device with a browser although there are native clients for Android, BlackBerry, and iOS devices. They have a free 5GB plan and their $4.99/mo. plan gives you 30GB. I had been using DropBox until I discovered SugarSync.

I'm confused... (0)

isaachulvey (964254) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693670)

So... would doing a manual backup be an iSuggest or an iRecommend?

Re:I'm confused... (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693966)

That's an RDD. A Ron Donald Do!

Re:I'm confused... (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694320)

It appears to be iRequired. Also a bit iAnnoying.

jailbreak yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693674)

Any word on a jailbreak for 5 yet?

Neat. (-1)

adolf (21054) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693680)

As if anyone with an iDevice wouldn't have discovered this on their own, soon enough.

(Cue antidisestablishmenterianist Apple apologists in 3...2...)

(I always wanted to use that word. Give me a break.)

Re:Neat. (4, Funny)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693756)

Cue antidisestablishmenterianist Apple apologists in 3...2...

I believe they prefer to be called iPologists.

Re:Neat. (1)

harperska (1376103) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694288)

As an antidisestablishmenterianist Apple iPologist, I actually agree with you. On one hand, I think the features in iOS5 are pretty impressive. While it is unavailable for the 3G I currently have, and will be pre-installed on the 4S that I will soon have, the news is moot to me. But even if I had a 4, there is plenty of general media and tech blog coverage, let alone the PR coming straight from Apple itself that you'd have to be living under a rock to not know about iOS5 already. Especially if you are the type to read slashdot.

Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2, Funny)

johnthorensen (539527) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693696)

Is there a technical reason that Apple can't provide over-the-air updates for their devices?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693748)

You need iOS 5 for this lol

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693758)

Is there a technical reason that Apple can't provide over-the-air updates for their devices?

OTA is supported in IOS5, not in IOS4

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693768)

iOS 5 enables OTA updates dumbass, watch the keynote

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2)

jrmcferren (935335) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693782)

Yes there is, the files are fucking huge!

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693998)

Not the OTA updates. They are ~100 MB in size, sometimes larger, sometimes smaller. A bit difficult to OTA update from a system without support it to a system that does.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694048)

Ever hear of wifi?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2)

grub (11606) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694086)

iOS 5 features delta updates. You don't download the whole OS anymore.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

isaachulvey (964254) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693790)

I enjoyed that on Apple's site they mention how once you have iOS 5 you won't need a computer to update your device... yet to update your device to iOS 5, you need a computer.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693888)

Because iOS 4 doesn't have OTA updates. Don't you Slashdot people know how to read?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694152)

Right on!

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694082)

That's not really that odd...you've always needed a computer to update the iOS version, mainly because the updates can be several hundred megabytes. Because the updates are so big, I am guessing that you can only do this via a wi-fi connection (I don't see any wireless phone company allowing such large updates to saturate their network).

And anybody who buys a new iPhone 4S presumably already has iOS 5 preloaded, and then would have no need for a computer to perform any updates.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694216)

Why did you enjoy that. There is nothing about it that is funny or unclear...

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694246)

Of course everyone with an iPhone already has a computer out of necessity, while new phones will ship with it already installed. So although an amusing concept, not a problem in reality.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (2)

ArrowBay (2326316) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693852)

No; they just didn't include it in iOS 4 or earlier versions.

However, they have included wireless updating in iOS 5. So once you upgrade to v5 via cabled connection, you'll be able to get future updates over the air.

do they count as part of data pack? roaming? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694108)

do they count as part of data pack? roaming? It's would suck to have to pay $19.96/MB for a auto update.

Re:do they count as part of data pack? roaming? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694178)

Who in the industrialized world pays $19.96 per MB to download updates over Wi-Fi?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

fishnuts (414425) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694136)

Why did Apple take so long to do this, after Android has been doing it for years?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (-1, Troll)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694270)

I don't know. When Android actually becomes decent and stable, perhaps we will say the same thing about it? Perhaps when Android becomes somethign people desire to have on their phones, we will same the same thing about it. Why do the Android phones all have such crappy screens? Why did it take years to get Netflix on Android after it was on iPhone? Why does Android only have about 5% of the games available that iOS does? Why do most Android phones have a talk time of 2 hours? Why does the back button on Android have a completely random behavior? Why does that behavior change depending n who you buy your damn phone from?

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694024)

Merely because iOS 4 didn't support it. iOS 5 does, so it won't be an issue ever again (which to me as a developer is the greatest christmas present ever!)

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

irishPete (21197) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694038)

This update reportedly does that.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694122)

That's part of what this update fixes.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694180)

After iOS5 is installed updates will be incremental and over-the-air, so the answer to your question is no, not tomorrow.

Re:Is there a technical reason for no OTA updates? (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694200)

Remember that an update isn't an app download, it's a download of a brand new OS and reflashing your device. This isn't trivial and if it fails it has a good chance of bricking your device. To get the device to handle it properly is harder than having an external app download the update and update the device.

Also, old (iOS4 and previous) updates were a full system image. So you had to download a huge file and find space for it on the device. I think iOS is able to download partial components and update individual components, which makes the storage issue smaller. I think making the OS componentized helps with the overall update. You can have a core component always run (maybe with a backup copy if it itself needs an update) and everything else can get downloaded and updated.

So, Apple solved these issues, possibly with some help from the "update Lion from the App Store" team.

Seems wrong somehow (-1, Flamebait)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693704)

This is sort of like posting news about a firmware update for a Mercedes SUV's entertainment/nav system on a racing forum.

Car analogy (1)

bigredradio (631970) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693834)

You sir have restored my faith in /.

Re:Seems wrong somehow (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693858)

Except ... not at all.

Re:Seems wrong somehow (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693972)

Depends on how many racing forum readers have that Mercedes SUV. Selling over 20 million iPhones a quarter, I would suspect that many here would be affected. I would also think that the next release of Android 3.X would also get news.

Re:Seems wrong somehow (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694098)

Or like any other Major Operating System Update release.
Heck I remember Slashodot use to post every freaking Linux Kernel update. At least this is just a major version update.

It is not like the mercedes SUV's entertainment/nav system. Because of the number of people who use these devices. Not just a select few.

hardware requirements (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693736)

http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/12/8122077-ios-5-should-you-upgrade

>>iPhone 3GS, an iPhone 4, an iPhone 4S (which will ship with the new operating system), a third-generation iPod Touch, a fourth-generation iPod Touch, an iPad or iPad 2. This means that folks with older iPod Touch devices, the original iPhone, or the iPhone 3G are officially out of luck.

Some of these updates are stupid.. (2)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693746)

While reading the iOS5 features page (http://www.apple.com/ios/features.html [apple.com] ), I went down to the "Mail" section and saw:

"Format text using bold, italic, or underlined fonts. Create indents in the text of your message."

Is that really something they should be advertising? Pretty advanced stuff..

Re:Some of these updates are stupid.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694030)

I don't have that ability on my Android phone using the Gmail client. Might not be new to anyone using a desktop mail application, but for a phone application, it's new.

Check back at slashdot for all you update needs. (0)

cfulton (543949) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693798)

Be ready for your windows update Tuesday of next week.
A new update for you T-Mobile Android users will be out tomorrow
There is a rumor that Ubuntu will have an update ready on Thursday

Really is this news? Come on man.

Re:Check back at slashdot for all you update needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693864)

Yes. When Microsoft releases Windows 8 it will be here too. And when Android releases their next food-named version it will also be news.

This is advertising (3, Insightful)

chrism238 (657741) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693812)

Slashdot should demand 30% from Apple for these advertorials.

Re:This is advertising (1)

knappe duivel (914316) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694064)

Slashdot should demand 30% from Apple for these advertorials.

30% of what?

Re:This is advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694084)

Why? /. gets about 23%; why rock the boat?

Re:This is advertising (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694204)

We could have gold-plated Cray XT6 servers within the month! No more Guru Meditation!

Re:This is advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694282)

Slashdot used to have interesting comments after a major software release of a product that millions of people use.

We'd discuss the new things we could do, the issues we ran into, the engineering that was involved.

Not anymore, now the trolls get all of the karma for some reason.

Bunch of curmudgeons, and up-voted trolling these days.

Mandatory (-1)

drwho (4190) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693814)

Is this mandatory, as all Apple things generally are? Is there a new built-in App of the Steve Jobs altar?

Re:Mandatory (2)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693970)

Someone needs to lay off of the haterade.

Re:Mandatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694190)

You must be new here, you stupid fucking troll.

Re:Mandatory (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694214)

Go back to sleep, Grandpa. (Sorry guys, ever since he's stopped taking his laxatives regularly he's been cranky...)

Summary? (1)

fuzzlost (871011) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693826)

Couldn't the submitter at least have posted some of the features new to the release? For those too lazy (or who don't care enough) to RTFA (or is it a press release?): -Integrated Twitter -Over-the-air updating (So the device doesn't need to be connected to a computer running iTunes) -Sync with iTunes via Wifi -iPad multitasking gestures -Rich editor for composing emails

Icons get re-organized (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693836)

I know someone who just installed the update. All of his icon positions were re-done by this update. Folders that he created are gone, etc.

updating it now, I think (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693880)

After a slowing DL - from 4 to 6 to 17 to 18 minutes - I finally received an error message telling me my install didn't work. After a quick Apple.com check I went back into iTunes and hit the install button again. It didn't DL anything this time, so I don't know if it installed 4.35 again or 5. It's restoring my iPod apps now. Been taking a while actually. I hope it isn't trying to install every app on the PC cause it ain't gonna fit on my 8gig iPod Touch, not by a longshot. This is my first Apple update after only owning my iPod for 2 months so I'm about as newbie at this as anyone is going to get. Glad I didn't wait though for the new iPod Touch announcement last week - ooooh, white. (I already paid a straight $199 at Amazon.) Wishing everybody else good luck w/ their updates.

Re:updating it now, I think (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694006)

In a case like that, it can't hurt to just DFU update the darn thing. I always do that when updating between versions, even though it takes time restoring and copying back apps. This way, the device is erased completely and there is no cruft from the previous iteration of the OS.

Re:updating it now, I think (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694052)

woo hoo, success!! Now if I can just figure out how to get my camera icon on my locked screen b/c nothing I do will get it there. Small potatoes though.

Re:updating it now, I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694294)

Double tap the home button when on the locked screen.

lets rephrase it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693958)

"Apple has released the iOS 5 update. To update to iOS 5 just open iTunes with your iDevice connected to your iComputer and press update. I recommend doing a manual iBackup of your iDevice and make sure all your iApps are transferred."

Good luck (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693960)

Good luck actually getting it or transitioning to iCloud or anything. Their servers seem to be swamped and unresponsive.

I suggest waiting a day or two just so you have a smoother upgrade process.

Re:Good luck (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694300)

It took me a total of 21 minutes to download the update for my iPhone, iPad and the 10.7.2 update for OSX. I am on a really crappy hotel system. iCloud servers are working great to. If the download are slow you should make sure you are not using google's 8.8.8.8 for DNS, this has been known to screw up whatever CDN Apple is using.

is OTA really a good thing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37693984)

so are OTA updates a way to kill off jailbreaking for good.

once an exploit is out in the open, congrats you've been upgraded to 5.1 while you were sleeping enjoy.

That didn't take too long to fail (3, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#37693996)

That didn't take too long to fail. Click on "Update," and it tells me I have to update iTunes. OK, fine, go do that. Computer reboots.

Take 2. Click on update, it downloads the nearly 700MB iTunes update, and makes a backup.

And then crashes, opening an Apple KB article that tells me I have to update iTunes in order to install the update. Er... I already did that?

I'll just uninstall iTunes and ... oh, wait, you can't do that on Mac OS X. You have to follow some magic instructions that involve deleting kernel extensions and rebooting three times. I'll have to look that up and ... oh, hey, Apple's support site now 503s.

Awesome.

Oh, hey, it hard-crashed my phone. I'll just pop out the battery to reboot it, and ... oh, crap. That's right, the Apple official way to restart a crashed iDevice is to let the battery drain. I'd link to the article, but their support site is down.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (4, Insightful)

quietwalker (969769) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694096)

Savor your walled garden, secure in the knowledge that because you're not trusted enough to meddle with it, nothing can go wrong. This is, after all, what users want.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694100)

Thank you for updating your Apple products. Please rate your upgrade experience:

1. Insanely Great!
2. Magical
3. Innovative
4. Religious Ecstasy

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694114)

You get what you deserve when you try to update on release day. I always wait for the next release. This is the beta test, regardless of the developer previews they've released earlier. If you are brave, try it now. Otherwise wait until the beta testers are done and the most egregious bugs are worked out and the servers aren't getting hammered.

This has been true for decades with software updates. What is so special about Apple that makes people want to be lab rats. I really don't understand, especially people who should know better by now.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694126)

Apple needs to get another Reality Distortion Field, stat!

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (1)

thetzar (30126) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694134)

Somehow, I doubt all of this happened in the last two hours. Especially as crunched as Apple's update servers are right now.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (4, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694212)

I started downloading before the Slashdot story was posted. It was kind of fun to watch the "time remaining" thing slow to a crawl. The last 15 seconds took a good minute.

Also, small update: turns out the phone hadn't crashed, it was just frozen displaying the lock screen with a time 6 minutes in the past. It eventually rebooted on its own. So at least I still have a phone.

Another interesting factoid: you can't just drag iTunes into the trash to delete it. Mac OS X won't let you. Instead you have to open the Applications folder, select it, and press Command-Delete. (I'm doing the complete reinstall off memory, let's see how well this goes!)

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694238)

Uh, I've *never* heard of a "crashed" iOS device needing a battery drain to force-power-off. Hold down the power button. Keep holding. See that? Just like any other modern device - a hard power-off that works. (blows in hand, twiddles fingers) Magic!

Your credibility is about zero right now.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (1)

fishnuts (414425) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694240)

Why the hell would iToonz require a system reboot?

What the hell is it tying itself into? Kernel drivers? OS integration?

I don't remember having to reboot at all after installing or updating any of the following: Microsoft Security Essentials, KLite Codec Pack, Wireshark, Photoshop, VNC, all of which integrate with the OS in some way. What the hell is iTunes doing to my computer?

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694308)

Most Apple applications require a reboot, just like most MS applications on Windows. Fuck knows why. Even Adobe Acrobat needed a reboot in Vista. Very bizarre when you'e used to nix.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694328)

It doesn't require a reboot and drags to the trash just fine, OP==drama queen

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (1)

ElmoGonzo (627753) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694258)

Wow. I'd never have thought that it needed Steve Jobs to work.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694276)

That didn't take too long to fail. Click on "Update," and it tells me I have to update iTunes. OK, fine, go do that. Computer reboots.

Installing/updating iTunes doesn't require a reboot. That part was entirely optional on your part. I expect you installed some other updates along with iTunes that requested that you reboot in order to finish the installation.

Take 2. Click on update, it downloads the nearly 700MB iTunes update, and makes a backup.

And then crashes, opening an Apple KB article that tells me I have to update iTunes in order to install the update. Er... I already did that?

I'll just uninstall iTunes and ... oh, wait, you can't do that on Mac OS X. You have to follow some magic instructions that involve deleting kernel extensions and rebooting three times. I'll have to look that up and ... oh, hey, Apple's support site now 503s.

Awesome.

Oh, hey, it hard-crashed my phone. I'll just pop out the battery to reboot it, and ... oh, crap. That's right, the Apple official way to restart a crashed iDevice is to let the battery drain. I'd link to the article, but their support site is down.

iTunes did bork on me after running the iTunes update. To fix this, go to: http://www.apple.com/itunes/

Download the latest iTunes and re-install it. It should fix any problems you were having with iTunes. At least, it fixed it for me.

Re:That didn't take too long to fail (5, Informative)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694326)

"That's right, the Apple official way to restart a crashed iDevice is to let the battery drain. I'd link to the article, but their support site is down."

Or you could use the official method of holding down both the home and lock button until it restarts. It'll even restart a crashed device.

I did mine a year and a half back. (0)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694074)

Android 2.2 as I recall. Give this another 12 months and it'll be closer to what Android users have today - without the hypnotized zombies unwilling to admit their prisoner status, natch.

Re:I did mine a year and a half back. (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694266)

I don't see iOS becoming too much closer to Android for one big reason: Google offers adb install for free, while Apple charges $99 per year for the privilege.

Re:I did mine a year and a half back. (2, Interesting)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694280)

Really, in a year my iPhone will be all laggy, slow and unintuitive as an Android phone? Guess I'll have to switch to something better by then.

You can talk like Android is bad ass, but anyone who's used both knows your just being a fanboy. Its one thing to prefer one over the other, but when you go off and do things like this everyone knows your nothing more than a mouthy fanboy and you get blown off by everyone except other rabid fanboys.

Re:I did mine a year and a half back. (1)

Morky (577776) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694322)

However, I would need to install iOS 5 on an iPhone 3G to really be able to perfectly reproduce the lag and latency that Android users have today.

Any news on mobile device management enhancements? (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694166)

Anyone got a link to what iOS 5 offers from a mDM perspective? Glanced at the page and didn't find much. Google returns a few blog posts on the beta and talks about S/MIME support in e-mail.

And pray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#37694220)

And pray you don't get another Apple BSOD.

If you do, you're on your own. Apple has a long and proud history of denying any problems are possible with their products.

Not so simple... (1)

rthille (8526) | more than 2 years ago | (#37694304)

Not so simple as said in the summary, it requires first updating iTunes to 10.5

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