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No PDFs, No Co-editing On Underwhelming Apple iCloud

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the praise-so-faint-it's-hard-to-make-out dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Apple's iCloud service has been a little overlooked in the bunfight for the iPhone 4S. When it was first announced some predicted it would wipe out companies like Box.net, DropBox and so on. As the NYTimes put it, "Maybe Apple will kill them all.' Box.net's CEO disagreed and it looks like he was right. You can't store PDFs and images on iCloud except with PhotoStream, there's no co-editing, and the document management interface is a shambles."

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Bwahahah (0)

Hatta (162192) | about 3 years ago | (#37701326)

Hahahaha. WTF are they thinking?

Re:Bwahahah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701738)

Apple release something unusable. Has this ever happened before?

Re:Bwahahah (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | about 3 years ago | (#37702158)

Apple's E-World online service in the 90's? And even their ongoing kludge of .Mac that this cloud is supposed to replace/fix hasn't really been up to Apple ease-of-use/slick experience.

Re:Bwahahah (2)

jhoegl (638955) | about 3 years ago | (#37701860)

You guys have no idea how badly CEOs and Boards want their technology to host your crap.
They see "the cloud" as a "Web 2.0".. (or 2.5 depending on who you ask) short term money maker.
They see Amazons success and want to invest in their own cloud, but not by much. So it is outsourced to people who have no idea or concept of what it actually entails. Of course, neither do the bosses who want it.
So this is no surprise and it wont be the only company that fails this badly at launch. I know of a few that are worse than this.

Re:Bwahahah (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 3 years ago | (#37702404)

I have to agree. MS had a few chances now, and keep changing/transfering/rebranding their cloud storage offering. I've been a very happy dropbox user since early on... I keep my (encrypted) portable keepass, and a truecrypt volume for the stuff that I want secret.. the rest is documents I just want access to wherever I am (synced to several of my computers)... It just works, and does it surprisingly well. It would be nice to have an "Enterprise" version, where a company can act as a host for a version of that, for synchronizing websites/servers, and desktop clients. I know windows can use remote profile directories, and it works okay, but not as quickly, or smoothly. I also no that rsync does a good job, and use it, again not as smoothly.

Considering that apple has always been a champion of a "just works" philosophy, it is a bit odd to see them falter here.

Re:Bwahahah (1)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37702210)

They were thinking that they'd provide a free data syncing service for first-party and third-party apps, and that's exactly what iCloud is. Who cares if the NY Times claimed it might kill DropBox? It wasn't intended to.

What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701340)

Bumfight??

Re:What? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701640)

Yah, I think it's meant to be bunfight... but then again it's Apple, and knowing the preferences of their customers, maybe the summary is right.

It just proves analyst are complete idiots (5, Insightful)

OS24Ever (245667) | about 3 years ago | (#37701368)

Never in any presentation did apple commit to any of those features.

It's a personal sync service, backup service.

That's it. It's storage somewhere, it's a sync service for your photographs between devices, and in a bit it'll be a music service for yourself.

Never did they say they'd let you directly access it like DropBox. Nothing would stop someone from making a PDF reader that saved and wrote to the iCloud but this last round of Apple products & software updates has created this bizarre 'oh they're doing THIS' line of crap from these analysts and they make up some of the craziest crap.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2, Insightful)

Sprouticus (1503545) | about 3 years ago | (#37701392)

Perhaps the reason analysts thought that is because there would be no point whatsoever of having a service that JUSt stores pictures and music when other out there do everything already.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (5, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 3 years ago | (#37701724)

There's plenty of point for people who have more than one Apple device, or who want to manage their single devices without the need for a sync computer. I never got the impression that this was intended as a Dropbox killer. It's a remote sync and and device backup utility for iDevices and to a lesser extent music and media from iTunes on your computer. It's a useful way to seamlessly maintain certain devices and software, not a backup system for your computer.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | about 3 years ago | (#37702552)

Also those other services mentioned will sell you and your data to the advertisers, not iCloud, big difference.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (3, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | about 3 years ago | (#37702174)

Why buy a good fillet knife when there are 100 blade swiss army knives that do everything?

Why a person uses a special purpose device... (1)

CrankinOut (629561) | about 3 years ago | (#37702344)

Ask any butcher and he'll tell you:

You buy a special purpose knife (shaped handle, long blade, slightly curved, thin blade) because it's the right tool for what you're doing (filleting).

Try filleting with a 100 blade swiss army knife and you'll create lousy cuts, wear your hand out holding all that bulk, and likely cut yourself in the process.

So, a specialized service or function generally is optimized for that activity.

Re:Why a person uses a special purpose device... (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 years ago | (#37702430)

I think Duradin was being rhetorical.

Re:Why a person uses a special purpose device... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702454)

whhoosh

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 3 years ago | (#37702182)

Perhaps the reason analysts thought that is because there would be no point whatsoever of having a service that JUSt stores pictures and music when other out there do everything already.

You're right. No sense creating a new mp3 player since Creative, Sansa and Sony had products on the market. No sense creating a smart phone since Handspring and Windows CE were already in the market. No sense working on Linux since Unix already existed. /sarcasm

Technology progresses in an evolutionary fashion. Marketing wants us to believe that all advances are revolutionary. Occasionally some evolutionary advances warrant the "revolutionary" tag. I'm not saying iCloud is revolutionary. What I am saying is iCloud is an evolutionary advance from mac.com and MobileMe. Remember those? They existed before DropBox and other "cloud" services. Marketing will always spin it as revolutionary. The Apple ecosystem may be revolutionary but each individual part is mostly evolutionary.

Anyway, Apple saw a need to make it easier for their customers to keep all their Apple devices synced. Apple added services to their web offerings to solve this problem. The change of methodology used with this advance warranted the iCloud name change since MobileMe doesn't necessarily apply in all use cases (not to mention the word "cloud" is hot atm ).

I think the real reasons "analysts" got it wrong were because:

1. They are pundits and are just giving us glorified personal opinions.

2. The more sensational they make their predictions, the more eyeballs they attract to their sites.

Now I'm surprised about the article saying no PDF storage, because I thought iBook would take care of that. No to mention I have a "Documents & Data" option in my iCloud preferences. I have PDFs as books and I have it on both my iTunes and mobile devices... I'll have to test to see if it really works.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (4, Insightful)

m.ducharme (1082683) | about 3 years ago | (#37702246)

Well I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but iCloud (with the upcoming music service, if it comes) is exactly what I need. I don't need to store specific documents or edit them, I use Google Docs for that when I need it. Mozy handles my document backup/restore needs.

Just because you (or some analysts) don't see a use for it, doesn't mean that nobody can find a use for it. And further, although I like the idea of cloud services, I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket. Having choices is good, right? And not just choices in product, but in the way different products envision your usage, right?*

*Totally awkward sentence, written specifically to avoid using the word "paradigm.". Success? Failure? You decide!

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 3 years ago | (#37702542)

I think it comes down to having 4-5 different vendors for a purpose that could, at least in theory, easily be serviced by one provider. I think that amazon's mp3 cloud is at least interesting, but I also use dropbox, and gdocs. It would be really cool to have them in one service, that integrated well. I think that many people were hoping to have that in apple's cloud service offering. Apple was/is in a unique position to offer that. MS has tried a few times, but floundered.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

Kirijini (214824) | about 3 years ago | (#37702574)

...So you're achieving synergistic use of multiplatform solutions?

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701410)

+1
Got to love when people get pissed off when a company doesn't release what the analysts have rumored/made up.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 3 years ago | (#37701438)

A back up service that doesn't back up your PDFs? That's stupid, no matter what way you try to spin it. The RDF won't help you now.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1, Insightful)

OS24Ever (245667) | about 3 years ago | (#37701516)

I'm not trying to spin anything, I'm just saying that they never claimed to do that to begin with. Now, if you used the iCloud APIs and wrote an app that did, it'd work just fine. I haven't tested it extensively as I do not carry a lot of PDFs on my iPad, but the backup put the few that I had back into my iBooks when I restored, though I'm not sure if they 'restored' or were 're-syncd' as when you restore the iDevice it restores settings but apps & content are typically re-synced in my experience so far.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

timeOday (582209) | about 3 years ago | (#37702208)

Fair enough. It sucks, but they never said it wouldn't, so they aren't liars. You win.

Disclaimer: I have a long history of predicting Apple's products will fail, and they keep proving me wrong. I still don't "get" the iPad. So, who knows?

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

smash (1351) | about 3 years ago | (#37701642)

Quite sure the story is bunk. It has documents sync, nowhere in the docco does it mention limitations on file type. You pay for your storage and you store your shit... unless there's documentation or some shred of evidence that PDFs in particular are excluded, this statement, as per the rest of the bs story, is bunk.

proves slashdot readers include complete idiots (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701908)

It has documents sync, nowhere in the docco does it mention limitations on file type. You pay for your storage and you store your shit...

Nope. You pay for your applications' storage and your applications store their stuff.

Apple made it *very* clear after the iCloud announcement that iDisk was going away and iCloud wasn't going to provide a comparable interface to let a user store files. While someone could undoubtedly use the iCloud APIs to write an application that lets you store files of your own choosing (i.e. an iDisk-replacement), it's a good bet Apple would refuse to approve the app precisely because it would be an iDisk replacement.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701708)

but it has clouds AND "i"s... what are you saying?!!!

signed,

fanboi

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 3 years ago | (#37701814)

IT backed up the PDF files that goodreader had in it's data file area. so it DOES back up PDF files. I'm guessing the idiot that wrote the article is whining about some app that is poorly written, and everyone is simply joining in on the whining without any facts.

I havent checked in iBooks, but I am betting they havent released an update to that app to take advantage of iCloud yet. While Goodreader had a new version ready to go.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

Shawn Parr (712602) | about 3 years ago | (#37701838)

If you use iCloud for backup it backs up whatever you tell it to. Whether your whole device, or just specific apps and their data. If you have an app that works with PDF files they will get backed up to iCloud.

GoodReader has an update to work with iCloud. I can upload PDF documents with it into iCloud. Yes, I just did it with an iPad, and it worked just fine.

I could then use GoodReader on any other iOS device to get access to those PDFs.

From what I've seen it is app specific, or at least company specific. So as an example Drop Box can't access your GoodReader files in iCloud, even though both can work with PDF files. But AutoDesk makes two different versions of Sketchbook, one for iPad, one for iPhone/iPod, and they see each other's files just fine.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | about 3 years ago | (#37701914)

Of course it backs up PDF files.

What, you think the story is telling the truth? Come on! It's a classic Apple bash story from a site looking for page hits and the slashdot trolls will fall for it hook, line and sinker and report this as "fact" from now on.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37702252)

Um, it does back up PDFs--it stores whatever an application tries to store using the APIs, barring limitations like file size. Using dumb terms like "RDF" suggests you're a biased Apple-hater anyway.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (4, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 years ago | (#37701470)

It's a blog post by a company trying to sell a cloud document editing and management product. What did you expect them to do when Apple started giving away the 10% of their product that 90% of their potential customers would actually use, for free?

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701602)

What you said. It's like Adobe waiting for a big new fuss over say, a new MS Office version, then posting a blog post about how Photoshop STILL does way more than Powerpoint.

Riding on the coattails of something that's being talked about, not something that was ever attempting to be a competitor. Horses for courses, and box.net just introduced an eel into the race.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (3, Interesting)

Lou3000 (2466814) | about 3 years ago | (#37701496)

The iCloud is underwhelming for users like myself (and I would imagine everyone reading Slashdot). But I also think you're right, it isn't DropBox. It is really just a back end service for your iPhone's native photo, video, and document apps. It isn't so that you can share a document to be edited by a group, it is so that you can store a document and then edit it later on your Mac or iPad without e-mailing it or syncing. On the other hand, I sort of understand where this article is coming from. Apple separated iCloud as its own product. They didn't simply turn on "cloud saves," they set up a website for the services and have been playing up its features as a major selling point. DropBox and the like now need to convince users that they still have a spot on the iOS device and the iCloud isn't like their "cloud." And in truth, iCloud will push DropBox off of my iOS device, because iCloud is all I need and it is seemlessly integrated.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (2)

cgenman (325138) | about 3 years ago | (#37701542)

Yes. How could analysts possibly compare iCloud to other cloud services. What cloud they possibly have in common? And Apple's talk of "automatic daily backups" should have been taken in the context of the iPhone, which as everyone who has one knows the iPhone "backup" is a skeletal husk of a thing.

I never really expected iCloud to amount to much (it is replacing 2 failed Apple cloud services, after all). And it is a first rollout. But even I was hoping for a little more in the way of integrated sync out the gate. Maybe just a cross-device Safari sync? No? Ok.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701576)

From www.apple.com/icloud:
"This is the cloud the way it should be: automatic and effortless. iCloud is seamlessly integrated into your apps, so you can access your content on all your devices."

You cannot keep advertise your products as "magical" and "works the way it should be" and then get insulted when people compare your product with the competition.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

ArrowBay (2326316) | about 3 years ago | (#37701638)

I think there is a key phrase here: "yet". It ain't any of those things... yet. But once they have the basic infrastructure working, they can add them.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 3 years ago | (#37701768)

Again, how dare you bring truth and fact into this.

Did you not know that you are supposed to bash apple on every turn? Bash Bash Bash.. It's what the cool kids that cant afford an iPhone do.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702290)

I can afford Apple... and I bash them. Where does that leave me?

Re:just proves excuse-making fanboys are idiots (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about 3 years ago | (#37701898)

A storage/cloud service with crippled functionality by a company with billions of dollars to spend is always mockable, no matter what the vendor promises the customer. Oh, and Jobs is dead, no one with vision to oversee beating and maiming the little chinese children that make your next fashion accessory.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701992)

In fact, they already have. This morning's update of GoodReader supports iCloud as a storage medium.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702050)

GoodReader for iOS already supports iCloud for PDFs.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (5, Insightful)

znu (31198) | about 3 years ago | (#37702074)

Yeah, this article badly misunderstands what iCloud is for.

First, it's a backup service for iOS devices that eliminates the need to sync them with with a computer, effectively untethering iOS devices. And yes, if an app stores PDFs, images, movies, whatever, within its data store, iCloud will back them up. Once your iOS device is backed up to iCloud, if you happen to drop it in the ocean, you can go buy a new one, sync it to iCloud, and all of your stuff (with the exception of non-iTunes music if you don't have the $25/year iTunes Match) will simply come back.

Geeks like us have trouble understanding the value of a service like this to average end users, but it's huge. Most consumers, to this day, still don't have backups of any kind, and virtually none have off-site backups. Apple reportedly had lots of people coming into Apple stores who hadn't synced their iOS devices since first setting them up, and would therefore lose considerable amounts of data if device replacement was required. iCloud simply makes these problems go away for people. It makes off-site backups simply happen by default, rather than requiring the user to understand the importance of them and go out of his/her way to make them happen.

Secondly, iCloud a seamless sync service designed to be integrated into apps. With an iCloud-enabled version of Pages or another iWork apps, you can be working on a document on your Mac, grab your iPad and run out the door, and keep working on that document there -- even if you didn't explicitly save your most recent changes. You can add a reminder in the new Reminders app on your iPad, and seconds later it will also show up in the equivalent app on your iPhone. You can start playing a game on your iPhone, and your progress can be seamlessly synced to your iPad, so you can keep playing there from exactly where you left off. Third-party developers can add features like this to their apps using a trivially simple API, with no need to own/rent their own cloud infrastructure or write a single line of server-side code.

Comparing iCloud to Dropbox doesn't really make a ton of sense. The services are designed to do very different things. The only real overlap is in the instance of things like syncing iWork documents... but even there, the approach is conceptually different. Dropbox is "a folder that syncs" iCloud is a data sync service intended to be integrated by developers.

Describing iCloud as "underwhelming" is effectively a compliment to Apple. It's supposed to be invisible. A decade from now, non-savvy users will simply take it for granted that their data is magically propagated between their devices, and it won't even occur to them to think about the mechanism through which this occurs.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 3 years ago | (#37702224)

They also didn't say it wouldn't cold call your ex-girlfriend or photoshop penises on images of your grandmother. But its a reasonable expectation that it wont do these things just as it was a reasonable expectation that something called a cloud service would provide more then storage for a select list of file types.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702240)

As an apple fanboy I will probably end up with an account for music at the very least. That said the reason the analysts are all over the place is because of Apple's looney secrecy coupled with less than revolutionary products lately. When you're releasing something revolutionary that no one has seen before (e.g. original iPhone) then secrecy helps the initial "holy crap that's cool" factor. However, when you're putting a faster chip in an existing device and you're known for revolutionary releases the secrecy hurts because it allows people to speculate and they speculate about something amazing and you give them something that is ordinary. It doesn't mean you're product is crap it just means you are mishandling the marketing of said product given your reputation and the expectations of your customers (or the analysts in this case)

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (-1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | about 3 years ago | (#37702270)

And, just like the iPhone 4S that analysts claimed was "disappointing," iCloud's success will likely exceed expectations. This article is just fodder for the resident Apple-haters on Slashdot.

Not a lot of help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702534)

if you exceed expectations when those expectations were low.

Re:It just proves analyst are complete idiots (1)

harl (84412) | about 3 years ago | (#37702276)

So I can't personal sync or personal backup my pdfs?

Duh (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701372)

iCloud was not meant to address collaborative cloud document working. That functionality was never mentioned or even hinted at. Stupidest article ever.

Madness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701390)

You're meaning to tell me the first iteration of a service 10's of millions of users will be using on a regular basis was rolled out with a basic feature set?

N not M (0)

chris-chittleborough (771209) | about 3 years ago | (#37701416)

That should be "bunfight" (an old idiom), not "bumfight" (NTTAWT).

Re:N not M (0)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | about 3 years ago | (#37701694)

Don't you mean "Mot That There's Amythimg Wromg with That?" From the popular sitcom "Seimfeld?"

Re:N not M (1)

Enygma42 (301776) | about 3 years ago | (#37701848)

Obviously his M amd N keys are nixed up om the keyboard.

Re:N not M (0)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 3 years ago | (#37701718)

Hey, don't forget the first rule of Bun Club.

Can't win (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701422)

On the other hand, if Apple had positioned iCloud as an app service (eg. Google Apps) or a generic file locker (eg. Dropbox) then everyone would cry foul at how Apple was trying to use its market position with iDevices and Macs to force competitors out of business. (OMGWTFBBQ! Monopoly!! Microsoft!!!1!!)

iCloud = Cross-device media syncing
Google Apps, Office Live = Office apps in the cloud
Dropbox = Network Filesystem for the rest of us

Yes, there's some overlap, but mostly they're separate services. Choice and competition folks; it's a good thing.

News Flash: Random Person Upset (-1, Offtopic)

cwingrav (8705) | about 3 years ago | (#37701432)

So a random person has a complaint and it's a slashdot article. Yeah, 'bout right.

Re:News Flash: Random Person Upset (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701478)

So a random person has a complaint about a complaint and posts it in the comments. Yeah, 'bout right.

Re:News Flash: Random Person Upset (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701676)

So a random person has a complaint about a complaint about a complaint and posts it in the comments. Yeah, 'bout right.

Back to My Mac and SSH. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701448)

This has been among the most useful features provided by MobileMe. Is it still available with iCloud? (CAPTCHA: “reject”)

Re:Back to My Mac and SSH. (1)

smash (1351) | about 3 years ago | (#37701666)

Yes

It's a framework for apps to use (1)

JonMcL (980505) | about 3 years ago | (#37701482)

I'm no expert, but isn't it a framework for both iOS and Mac Apps to use? Out of the box it does very little, except for a few Apple functions that are already taking advantage of it (Safari's "Reading List" for example). But if someone wants to create a PDF editing tool, you just use the iCloud API to store your PDFs. Then the Mac version of the PDF editing tool can access the same file as your iPhone version. Or your iPad can do the same. It's a storage device that apps have access to. It is not a storage device that you will browse for files in. Also, each app will only have access to it's own data.

Re:It's a framework for apps to use (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701532)

This is the exact point the submitter misses.

The iCloud promise is for developers first then users.

Re:It's a framework for apps to use (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 3 years ago | (#37701550)

Then it was never any competition to DropBox or Box.net at all, really.

I don't get Apple (2, Interesting)

mark_reh (2015546) | about 3 years ago | (#37701488)

The interface to the iPhone is via iTunes. I tried to put a pdf on my wife's iPhone for her because she couldn't figure out how and I couldn't figure out how to do it via iTunes either. Finally, a friend with an iPhone told me the easiest way to do it is to email it and use the phone to grab the emailed file. Doesn't Apple think that people use their phones for anything but listening to music and looking at photos? Oh yeah, there are all sorts of apps, but how does anyone who works for a living get business related stuff on and off the phone?

The software is still called iTunes ferschissakes. If you're in anything but the music business why would software called iTunes seem to be the right choice? It sounds like something you'd sell to college kids so they could load their phone with pirated music.

Re:I don't get Apple (1)

smash (1351) | about 3 years ago | (#37701530)

iTunes is deprecated and no longer required

Re:I don't get Apple (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701634)

Err, I dunno what you were doing wrong, but PDF's show up as Books in iTunes, its a simple drag and drop, and then view them in iBooks on your phone.

Re:I don't get Apple (1)

JSombra (1849858) | about 3 years ago | (#37702046)

Doesn't Apple think that people use their phones for anything but listening to music and looking at photos? Oh yeah, there are all sorts of apps, but how does anyone who works for a living get business related stuff on and off the phone?

Oh apple knows people use there phones (and their other products) for other things besides music and photo's...but here is the important thing for any apple product user to remember...,

Apple do not and never will care about business users and their needs/requirements

Any use you get from your apple product for your business is an unintentional side effect, not the result of apple intentionally trying to meet a business users needs

Want to do actual work? Then buy a work tool not an expensive toy/gadget (Little helper...if it's by Apple it's not a work tool...they don't make things like that)

Re:I don't get Apple (1)

Altus (1034) | about 3 years ago | (#37702180)

If you want to get a PDF into the iPhone via iTunes you do have to go through 2 steps, I don't know why that is, but what you do is drag it into iTunes as a book and then sync it to your phone. You can't drag it directly onto the phone apparently. I'm not sure why this is, but I would say it is easier than emailing it to yourself.

Umm, it's also an API... (1)

awrc (12953) | about 3 years ago | (#37701538)

Apple never claimed they were going to offer that stuff.

However, Apple *has* provided an API that provides iOS 5 apps with a cloud-based key-value store that *applications* can use pretty much however they want to. There'll be a lot of interesting iCloud functionality appearing over time, but don't expect stuff like co-editing because that's not what the service is intended for.

Note that I'm currently less than delighted with iCloud however - for such a big deal, flagship, gosh-wow product, for iCloud mail (both via IMAP and the web-based version) to be dead as a doornail less than 24hrs after launch is pretty poor.

Its ok, I'm sure Jobs will save... (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 3 years ago | (#37701552)

...Oh wait. Damn.

R.I.P. SJ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701554)

Where's a reality distortion field when you need one?

Re:R.I.P. SJ (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 3 years ago | (#37702184)

Apparently the Haterade drinkers copied the technology and are performing a live-fire exercise.

Nice Article... (0)

germany-runt (950755) | about 3 years ago | (#37701570)

How is this "News for Nerds?" I know I'll get modded down but simply posting articles from some random dude on the Internet really isn't news...

Re:Nice Article... (1)

Exitar (809068) | about 3 years ago | (#37701910)

Let's see what the OP links to: NY Times, an iCloud competitor and a cloud computing site.
Probably you used to classify news sources about Apple into two categories: Steve Jobs/"some random dude on the Internet", so now only one category is left.

Obligatory (3, Funny)

ArrowBay (2326316) | about 3 years ago | (#37701656)

No co-editing. Less space than Amazon EC2. Lame.

This changes everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701660)

But iCloud is just, it's just, it's Magical!

Competitor (2)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 3 years ago | (#37701686)

While I own no Apple products and use none of their services, I find this article to have no content. Why would a competitor praise their service? As a CEO of Box.net, it is his job to say why his service is better than Apple's. We can argue amongst ourselves whether those omissions noted are important for a cloud service or not, but this article has no point.

Re:Competitor (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 3 years ago | (#37701982)

Not only does it have no point, it's factually incorrect. You can back up PDFs to iCloud till the cows come home.

Ob (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 3 years ago | (#37701690)

Steve Jobs isn't even cold and Apple's already going all pear shaped.

Re:Ob (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 3 years ago | (#37702032)

Pear-shaped? Where did you infer that from?

I Think I've Heard This Story Before (4, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | about 3 years ago | (#37701744)

Apple: We're coming out with a new product. It's a pill that'll give you surprisingly good night vision.
Apple Zealots and various talking heads: Oh. My. God. The iPill will CURE CANCER.
The Other Zealots and various talking heads: Pssh. Will it make my headaches go away? Will it stop indigestion? I just can't see how anyone would want this where there are so many better pills already on the market.

months pass

Apple: Here it is: The iPill. Take one, and you can have 20/20 vision in the dark for an entire month.
Apple Zealots: Oh. My. God. This is soooo disappointing! And it doesn't even cure cancer! We thought it was going to cure cancer!
Other Zealots: Hah! Oh, Apple's really screwed themselves this time. All this stupid pill does is give you night vision! Big deal--you can get night-vision goggles that can be turned off, are half the price and don't need to be swallowed! You idiots really missed big time on this one!

months pass

Apple: The iPill has sold over ten bajillion units, and we've made more money on it than god raised to the god power. Night vision goggles are now considered obsolete. Soon, we'll release the iPill 2, which will add the ability to see into the ultraviolet spectrum.
Apple Zealots: Yaaaaaay! Finally, a cure for CANCER!
Other Zealots: ARRRGEGHRHRHGA People are such fucking stupid SHEEP

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (2)

orphiuchus (1146483) | about 3 years ago | (#37701892)

Well, if you replace revolutionary medical breakthroughs with stupidly easy to use interfaces and streamlined packaging for features we've already seen, you've nailed it!

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702112)

You are are typical Apple zealot. Humor doesn't exist in your pathetic world. You take everything not kiss Apple's ring-piece as a personal slight.

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about 3 years ago | (#37702452)

Well, if you replace revolutionary medical breakthroughs with stupidly easy to use interfaces and streamlined packaging for features we've already seen, you've nailed it!

True, some of the features are pretty basic and, well, comparing ANYTHING to the cure for cancer is kind of rediculous.

But in some ways, his humorous analogy is quite apt.

I mean, take the iPhone4S release / announcement. People were assuming it would have bigger screen, new case, new screen-tech, could teleport you to the Enterprise-D, cure male-pattern-baldness, and use LTE on AT&T's non-LTE network. Instead it was just a basic performance upgrade, IOS5, and Sirii.

It's the hype machine: the apple-fans eat it up and the anti-apple-zealots hate it. The funny thing is, the "hype" is mostly Apple sitting on a chair and grinning as everyone else in the world generates the hype themselves.

The problem is, hype generates a big let down for the people that buy into it. And for the people that want no part in it, a large amount of annoyance followed by a smug 'Ha Ha' to the people that bought into it.

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702192)

iCloud is just a convienant way to sync data across your apple devices. That's it. Any moronic assumption it's dropbox is just fantastically stupid!

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 3 years ago | (#37702580)

But only for a limited sub set of the term "data".

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (1)

Jetsurf (2484066) | about 3 years ago | (#37702274)

Don't forget the curved aluminum and glass bottle!

Re:I Think I've Heard This Story Before (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 3 years ago | (#37702432)

It's not specific to apple. Any technology news these days seems to be gossip based. The nexus prime, a few weeks ago everything that came up in a google search was "Nexus prime: Verizon exclusive!!!" This seems to have been based entirely off the fact that the FCC cleared the verizon version first. The galaxy S2 on AT&T, the release date on every page mentioning it said September 18th. September 18th came and went without the phone. No one at samsung or AT&T had ever mentioned a release date, it was entirely rumors taken as fact.

I suppose it might have something to do with the quality of journalists in tech news. I guess if you're not good enough to get hired at a popular science or CNN, phone blog.com might be hiring.

Wait... (1, Offtopic)

galfridus73 (873250) | about 3 years ago | (#37701836)

Random anonymous readers can basically whine about a non-issue and get a story on /. now?

I've been away for too long. And, clearly, the current /. management wants to make sure I, and other old time readers, stay away.

I think it's time for Taco, Neal, and Hemos to come back and clean house, because this isn't responsible in any way, shape, or form.

Slashdot thinks iCloud is lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37701946)

How'd that work out last time? http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod

Free reskin of MobileMe (1)

roothog (635998) | about 3 years ago | (#37701994)

Looking at the OS X preferences panel for iCloud, it just looks like a rehash of MobileMe (which was just a rehash of .mac). I'm flipping back and forth between the preferences pages for iCloud and for MobileMe, and they seem to offer nearly identical services (though MobileMe costs money).

Re:Free reskin of MobileMe (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 3 years ago | (#37702310)

That's because iCloud is a superset of MobileMe. MobileMe is being phased out.

/. Moderators (2)

dhermann (648219) | about 3 years ago | (#37702110)

Even a light reading of the article reveals that iCloud is an impressive service but not targeted at business or enterprise users (shocking), a fact which the OP (who clearly does not like iCloud and/or Apple, in general) noticeably neglects to mention. If Slashdot is a news site, and news should objectively divulge facts, then I have to wonder why such a blatantly slanted article summary has once again been allowed to be posted. If you want me to not like iCloud, just draw attention to the shortcomings of the product, don't paraphrase a reasonable review into "is a shambles".

Wow, how low has slashdot fallen? (1)

Froomb (100183) | about 3 years ago | (#37702160)

Anonymous rantings snarkily purveying incorrect information given the dignity of a slashdot posting? "News for nerds"? Or just another gizmodo-like Android fan site? Is it any wonder the number of readers here is plummeting?

The API is where it's at... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702166)

I've always feared that the iCloud would get rid of our ability to store arbitrary files of various types.... if you want a file based approach to the world, stick with Dropbox.

Apple is rethinking how people store information. iCloud is most definitely not a file based system. It's a data store where it (Apple) dictates how the data is stored and organized. Communication to the cloud is API only (which Apple controls). Much of the iCloud magic is in the API and, of course, completely transparent to the user. They will find that the "information" created by their apps is seamlessly synced across their iDevices.

In other words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702266)

So, basically Box.Net's CEO says:

No wifi. Less storage than a Nomad. Lame

Yeah, just sit back and ignore it. We'll come back in a couple years and see how that worked out for you.

Re:In other words (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 3 years ago | (#37702482)

Apple has a long history of screwing up this kind of service. They've released .mac and mobile me, and that's just what they've done in the last decade. If you're an innovator, you're not going to get every product right.

Who moderates these posts?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702296)

/. is really going downhill... Apple never claimed there would be co-editing (or editting AT ALL) on iCloud, and saying it does not allow "PDFs" to be stored is absolutely ridiculous...

There's an API (do ppl still know what that means around here?) that allows you to write an App that makes use of iCloud storage... The service became official YESTERDAY, so it's quite natural that most apps aren't making use of it yet.

So yeah, there WILL BE apps that let you store PDFs and random images that aren't in your library and game saves and whatever else you want...

In fact, I prolly should go write one in 30 min and charge a $ for it, eh? lol

You guys need to review how articles get posted here, seriously...

No PDF? This would disagree (maybe) (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | about 3 years ago | (#37702384)

Here-
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4942 [apple.com]
2nd question down. I think you need iWork to do it (maybe?) Dang help piece is all over the place.
Don't you just love new stuff?

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