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Ubuntu 11.10 ('Oneiric Ocelot') Released

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the ring-in-the-changes-or-switch-in-horror dept.

Ubuntu 455

Cue the Ubuntu release partiesUbuntu 11.10 has arrived. Ars Technica has a very positive summary of the changes in 11.10; Joe Brockmeier's piece of a few weeks back explains the return to Xen to Ubuntu and the introduction of Juju (formerly Ensemble). Asks an anonymous reader: "Any outstanding reasons why I shouldn't upgrade?" YMMV, but as a long-time Ubuntu user, and like many other users, I have mixed feelings about the concerted (and now complete) move away from a conventional WIMP interface to the new Unity. With previous versions, it was possible to choose a "classic" look rather than the default of Unity; now, for good or ill, the left-hand vertical menu is a permanent desktop element. It looks great to me, in the way the Canonical developers intend: as a consistent, replicable, supportable interface to recommend to (for instance) my parents — but I'm used to (and prefer!) more traditional WIMP environments, so at least for now have switched to Linux Mint's Debian Edition.

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Canonical Developers?! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702408)

As an Ubuntu Member, and NOT a Canonical Employee, I take offense at the notion only Canonical folks do Ubuntu work.

Thanks.

Re:Canonical Developers?! (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about 3 years ago | (#37702756)

Quite right! In fact, most Canonical folks are doing Debian work... :P

Re:Canonical Developers?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702846)

In fact, most Canonical folks are stealing Debian's work... :P

FTFY.

Here we go... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702410)

Let the distro bitch fest begin....

I moved to kubuntu (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702416)

about 3 releases ago, and I've never looked back.

Best feature (2)

genjix (959457) | about 3 years ago | (#37702434)

g++ 4.5

C++0x is getting there slowly.

Re:Best feature (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 years ago | (#37702484)

GCC 4.5 (and even 4.6 with a special repo) has been there since 10.10...

Unity == WIMP (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702444)

Unity is WIMP. There are windows, icons, menus, and a mouse pointer. The only difference is that there is a new taskbar that groups windows by application rather than by window.

Re: (4, Insightful)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about 3 years ago | (#37702666)

Yes, it's mostly still WIMP, but just different enough to be annoying, and for no apparent reason. Which is why so many people have been switching to Xubuntu lately (myself included). I see no reason to switch back to Ubuntu, unless someone can explain to me why this new Unity really IS easier to use than the standard WIMP interface.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The standard WIMP has been around, mostly unchanged, for decades. Why change it?

Re: (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37702802)

Or away from Ubuntu completely as this isn't going to be the last thing they plunk into the distro prematurely. I'm just waiting to find out how they ruin KUbuntu and XUbuntu, because they don't seem to be trying as hard to run those versions into the ground.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702980)

Are the application menus still stuck to the top of the screen instead of the applications? Think I'll skip it.

Re:Unity == WIMP (1)

CMcQueeny (682013) | about 3 years ago | (#37702720)

I think the OP is probably using WIMP loosely, as a shorthand for the traditional keyboard+mouse desktop, as opposed to newer touch-ready environments like Unity, Windows 8, etc., which technically have all the same elements, but offer a significantly different experience. Within a few years I imagine we'll have better words to distinguish these, unless the post-PC era really does begin, and we all throw out our workstations... :)

I should probably upgrade my netbook (1)

ruebarb (114845) | about 3 years ago | (#37702462)

been running the 10.x version on my netbook but I'm kinda used to that left handed vertical menu by now :D

I will update this thread if I have any gotchas

RB

Err.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702468)

What the hell is this summary about... juju, WIMP...? I've been using linux for a long, long time and I have no idea what these things are. While I can't personally abide Debian or Ubuntu, a description would at least let me know if thare things I should check out or as is so often the case, begin compiling yet more packages so as to avoid them.

Re:Err.... (0)

Forbman (794277) | about 3 years ago | (#37702752)

So hard... google linux juju.

I'd hate for you to strain a finger nail.

Re:Err.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702784)

Well aren't you just a stand-up guy?

Re:Err.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702882)

So hard... google linux juju.

I'd hate for you to strain a finger nail.

No clear indication of what something is on the first page of results of a google search generally indicates that it's something trivial. What, you think we didn't google it before posting? If you've got some knowledge of 'juju' and 'WIMP', please, your highness, share.

Re:Err.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37703042)

Apparently it's the name of the firewire stack I've been using with my soundcard via ffado for the last couple of years already? No, wait... it's an "orchestration technology" something to do with servers and the cloud... good thing I've not been running web and mail servers for over a decade or I might actually have a clue why why anybody thinks bringing VMs online and autoconfiguring them is a difficult task.

I didn't break a nail but the submitter could have saved us the task.

Re:Err.... (2)

JackieBrown (987087) | about 3 years ago | (#37702982)

I was wondering what that meant too. I figured it was a specific desktop environment (I was wrong.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing) [wikipedia.org]

I don't know why they didn't just say "move away from a conventional desktop interface."

What distribution left for developers? (4, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 years ago | (#37702470)

What distribution are we supposed to use now?
Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702500)

Linux Mint? Ubuntu Decraprified.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 3 years ago | (#37702628)

I think Mint is going to change to Gnome 3. Not Unity, but not much better.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (2)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37702828)

I've been considering a move to the Linux Mint Debian Edition, which should circumvent all that amazingly stupid work that Canonical is doing with Ubuntu.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

indecks (1208854) | about 3 years ago | (#37702670)

I do like Linux Mint. Good stuff.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 3 years ago | (#37702956)

Depends. Linux Mint LXDE has a metric ass ton of extra stuff as compared to Lubuntu - twitter & facebook apps, feed readers, etc. Definitely not minimalist. Essentially it looks like they shoehorned everything from the regular Linux Mint into LXDE.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

Joehonkie (665142) | about 3 years ago | (#37702504)

Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Suse, Crunchbang, any of a dozen others?

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37702550)

Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Suse, Crunchbang, any of a dozen others?

Fedora swtiched to Gnome 3, didn't it?

Re:What distribution left for developers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702684)

As did Suse.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702640)

Some of the distros you list are rpm/redhat based. While they are alternatives and rpms and dependancy issues are not as bad as they were ten years ago, many of us still prefer a debian based distro.

Additonally, while Debian is stable, the stable releases are quite behind. I love debian, don't get me wrong, but I love(d?) the modern desktop environment ubuntu provided with the ease of a debian based distro(I sure wish Progeny survived - ahead of its time).

I tend to agree. I cannot stand the unity desktop, and I do not get why they are choosing to take away the freedom for a user to choose what works best for them. If I wanted a locked down desktop, I wouldn't have just blown away my windows OS. For me, its all about choice, and its a shame they are removing this. I simply will not upgrade and migrate to some other distro when I am forced to.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (4, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#37702530)

I'd rather have my advanced UI

# apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

-alternatively-

# apt-get install openbox fbpanel

I'm sure there are others that can chime in with many more suggestions.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37703020)

Apt-get install gnome-panel

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702546)

Was there ever a time when Canonical's target demographic included developers? As to which distro you're supposed to use, the answer is the same as it's always been: whichever one you want.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | about 3 years ago | (#37702560)

What distribution are we supposed to use now? Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

Arch [archlinux.org]

Xubuntu? Lubuntu? (1)

Millennium (2451) | about 3 years ago | (#37702612)

I've been trying Lubuntu out recently, and it's very nice. Simple and light, with a desktop interface by default and a netbook interface if you want it (I think it's the same one used in the original eee, actually). Xubuntu also works well, though it's not as light.

Re:Xubuntu? Lubuntu? (1)

vm (127028) | about 3 years ago | (#37702724)

I'll second this -- the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment is probably the only unified desktop that's both light on resources (hence its name) and easy to use for both beginners and power users. I think its only drawback re Ubuntu in general is that it tends to be a bit slow to keep up with major releases. But if you want cutting edge, there's always the Debian LXDE install CD -- and if you choose the stable installer and select advanced options it will let you choose testing or unstable as your distro.

Re:Xubuntu? Lubuntu? (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 3 years ago | (#37703070)

Third. It has really come into it's own since 11.04. A few outstanding bugs were squashed with that release as well as it just feeling good - like KDE3 was at the end before 4 dropped. I have a few quibbles with the distribution's program choices (I prefer Opera over Chromium or Firefox, Clementine over anything, etc) and LXDE still has some unfinished bits (doesn't have a straight forward menu editor, unable to have backgrounds changed periodically w/o a bash script) but overall it's strong - much better then any of the other ones I have tried.

That being said, I'm itching to try Unity 2D again. It was still pretty unfinished the last time around but it did have a bit of promise.

Re:Xubuntu? Lubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702728)

I've been using Xubuntu since the switch to Unity. It's fast, functional and tweakable. I'm a very happy customer.

Re:Xubuntu? Lubuntu? (1)

sapgau (413511) | about 3 years ago | (#37702954)

Lubuntu.net is dead... slashdotted???

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | about 3 years ago | (#37702576)

Or, you know, since you are a developer and therefore technically savvy and willing, you could simply install the UI of your choice from the repositories. It's not like it's that hard to do.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

BeardsmoreA (951706) | about 3 years ago | (#37702758)

Developer == nothing better to do with time than faff around with Window managers?

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | about 3 years ago | (#37702904)

*shrug*

Dunno about "faff around". Installing a new WM takes roughly 30 minutes, and you do it once. Then the "faffing" ends and the developer in question can get down to working.

Or are you telling me that you never alter any of the UI defaults when you set up a new PC or load up a new Distro?

If it's a big enough issue to whine about on /., it's a big enough issue to take a very small amount of time to make it the way you want.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 3 years ago | (#37703054)

It's one fucking command and takes as much time as downloading and installing the packages. Compare that to "faffing about" with downloading a new distro, burning it to CD or a USB stick, then installing it and configuring it.

Xubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702584)

subj

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702588)

I've always preferred Fedora over Ubuntu for development work. But if you're dedicated to Debian, there's a mountain of Ubuntu and Debian derivatives out there. There should be at least one that fits your needs.
 
I personally haven't touched Ubuntu since Karmic - it just felt like it was going downhill. I've been running either Fedora or RHEL6 ever since.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702656)

Well, it's the DE (desktop environment) that you are talking about where gnome is the default for ubuntu. Gnome has always been an interface that suppose to the "simplified." There are still plenty of other DE like kde, fluxbox, xfce, lxde, etc that you can choose from. Many distro often offer multiple versions of their distro with different DE, even ubuntu does with kubuntu and xubuntu. There is also nothing to stop you from installing another DE with your current install and simply switching over.

That said, never been a fan of ubuntu. They always seemed to have issues that other distros don't have and every release often breaks something.

As an option for an alternative distro, there is always the original debian distro which much more choice friendly. There are also plently others like the red hat and suse if you want to go with a different package manager. See http://distrowatch.com/ for a insanely large listing and reviews of various distros.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (3, Interesting)

Astatine (179864) | about 3 years ago | (#37702714)

As a power user and a developer, I switched from Ubuntu to Fedora after I discovered how awful Unity was in 11.04. I'm very happy with it. YMMV (I'm a Gnome 3 fan -- but if you don't like it, there's XFCE, LXDE, xmonad, etc etc).

Re:What distribution left for developers? (2)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 3 years ago | (#37702824)

What distribution are we supposed to use now?
Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

One could always install XFCE, KDE, LXDE, Enlightenment, Openbox, Fluxbox etc., etc.

While I was not/am not a big Unity fan, I do notice that a lot of things are being developed around the Unity interface (and to a lesser extent gnome-shell). Seems like the target audience isn't the elderly, disabled or netbook people, but the group that just wants to get things done. Besides, Unity and gnome-shell are about how to access programs. It's in the launched programs that the real work occurs, whether on linux, windows, osx.

In the Windows and OsX world, the desktop metaphor is quickly becoming just an application launcher. Ubuntu (and Gnome) decided to be proactive to remain relevant. Even KDE has their netbook interface that many people run on the desktop.

The design choices are really about trying to determine what the general public might want, not the average slashdotter, developer, linux guru. There is a whole generation that has grown up and adapted to a smart phone kind of interface. Unity and gnome-shell are just an extension of that way to launch applications.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

Kwpolska (2026252) | about 3 years ago | (#37702826)

Arch Linux works like a charm. It has GNOME3, but Xfce is really friendly.

Re:What distribution left for developers? (1)

Lisandro (799651) | about 3 years ago | (#37702878)

Arch Linux [archlinux.org] . Great support, ease of maintenance and gets updates as soon as a package releases a new version.

I'm a long time Gentoo user and i'm considering migrating my workstation to Arch.

When was Ubuntu for developers? (2)

jopsen (885607) | about 3 years ago | (#37702978)

I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

Ubuntu never had an advanced UI. Ubuntu have always been easy and simple to use, without too many settings... When was Ubuntu geared towards developers?
Ubuntu have always been aiming broad, if super easy doesn't suit you (perhaps you wan't super efficient) then there's probably an Ubuntu derivative for you...

Don't need to keep Unity... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702526)

Best thing to do is sudo apt-get install gnome-shell. Just go with Gnome 3 and shell and forget about Unity.

Re:Don't need to keep Unity... (2, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37702646)

Just go with Gnome 3 and shell and forget about Unity.

Except Gnome 3 sucks at least as bad as Unity because they're fundamentally both crappy touchscreen interfaces pushed onto desktop users.

Re:Don't need to keep Unity... (1)

mattventura (1408229) | about 3 years ago | (#37702690)

Or you could install a good desktop environment

Re:Don't need to keep Unity... (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#37702780)

install gnome-shell

There are a few things to like about Unity actually. I've been wanting to get around to writing a few custom tray apps for a while and just never got around to it but with Unity, writing indicator apps that sit in the "tray" is an absolute cinch. I also appreciate the consistency of the tray and the way you can just click on one and "scrub" the rest without having to click again. Linux has been needing this for a while as the Gnome notification area has been a mess.

Also, while I'm not completely thrilled with the new launcher, I've found that customizing icons' right click menus à la Windows 7 jump lists to be very simple as well. This is an extremely useful feature for applications like Chrome that have a few very useful modes like incognito. I just right click its icon and pick the one I want and adding new ones is easy. Unity also has progress indicators built into the launcher for certain applications. Thunderbird will tell you how many unread emails you have, etc.

I realize that all of this can be done in different ways but as it stands, the implementation of Unity does bring a lot to the table.

let's not forget (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702532)

sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback

Re:let's not forget (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | about 3 years ago | (#37702986)

can you get gnome2 on oneiric?

Fantastic name (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702536)

I think Onanistic Orangutan better captures the spirit of the naming process.

Re:Fantastic name (1, Flamebait)

Hatta (162192) | about 3 years ago | (#37702548)

I was going to offer Onanistic Oroborous.

apt-get install gnome? (4, Insightful)

wstrucke (876891) | about 3 years ago | (#37702540)

I don't understand... can't you just remove the unity package and install KDE or Gnome?

Re:apt-get install gnome? (4, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#37702578)

can't you just remove the unity package

Of course you can but see the only problem with intellectual honesty is it leaves a whole lot less for people to whine about.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 3 years ago | (#37702840)

If I had mod points, I'd mod you up to a 5.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (4, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37702898)

You can, but it's symptomatic of the way that Ubuntu is being run. I remember awhile back upgrading to the next release, only to find that they had decided to include Unity. At that point, unity was at best a polished turd, it didn't behave consistantly, sometimes the menu would stay open and other times it would close. They insisted upon it being put on the left side, which meant that those using it in a VM had to have a monitor edge there, otherwise it was really annoying.

I'm curious what you're planning to do when Wayland is prematurely included, by the time you remove that an install something else, you might as well install a sane distro.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 3 years ago | (#37702614)

But why? Why not just get Debian and install whatever you want?

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

GPLHost-Thomas (1330431) | about 3 years ago | (#37702910)

You are talking to Ubuntu users, the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings. It's a lost cause, they wont ever understand the word "choice"...

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 3 years ago | (#37703048)

the same guys that left Debian because

Wait a minute. Who are you to say why anybody (especially the users) left Debian? Most people using Ubuntu didn't leave any other distro at all as Ubuntu is how they got started on Linux. I started on Ubuntu because unlike Debian, it actually supported my hardware out of the box. On Feisty Fawn, wi-fi worked and that was enough for me at the time. Some people like Firefox being in their repos and not Iceweasel (I know they are the same but people are people). Also, there was actual thought put into Unity and it is still a work in progress. The new indicator system is much cleaner than the older notification tray. I'm not crazy about the Mac-esque menu bar but you can change that. Also, the launcher still has far to go but even now, it does certain things better than any other dock on Linux.

I'm not trying to tell you what to like but it is a bit condescending to presume to know what motivates people to use a particular distro and then to dismiss them because of it.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37703008)

Debian's strict philosophy is offputting to many people, who don't quite understand how they benefit from getting "Iceweasel" instead of Firefox, or not having half the bash documentation available because the guy who wrote it wanted its dedication to be preserved.

I use Debian myself because I know how to work round these annoyances and find them less irritating than the annoyances that come from Ubuntu's ADHD designers, or Fedora's terrible package management interfaces. But I can fully understand why other people avoid it.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

Lussarn (105276) | about 3 years ago | (#37702868)

Yes you can, but you can't easily install Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 is "messy" at the moment. While I have hopes for both Unity and Gnome 3 for the future they are not great at the moment if you actually try to work on your computer. My work computer will be running an old Ubuntu for some time, and on my netbook I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 and Xfce. I think they will sort out the problems of both Unity and Gnome 3, they are kind of cool interfaces but at the moment it's not for me. I mostly need a browser and a bunch of terminals, I don't have "big" needs when it comes to the desktop environment, but neither Unity or Gnome 3 seems to fullfill my needs as good as Gnome 2 or Xfce. Hopefully they will get there. I mostly miss some configuration options, and the speed is lacking. I don't care for transparency and such if it means being slower, and current implementations are.

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

m50d (797211) | about 3 years ago | (#37702884)

Sure, but it won't be supported; it'll be hard to find help on the fora for your problems. (Of course, if that's your concern sticking on an old version isn't going to help either, it's time to switch distros).

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 3 years ago | (#37703046)

Unless the old version you are sticking with is a LTS release (10.04 in my case). Of course, when that is no longer supported I'll switch back to Debian on my desktops (never left it on my servers).

Re:apt-get install gnome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702936)

Of course you can. Unity is just a default shell that can easily be replaced with whatever other shell you want. Gnome-shell, xfce panel, fluxbox, etc... All this bitching about Unity is just bullshit since it's trivially easy to install and switch shells.

It wasn't Ubuntu that decided deprecate gnome-panel and not port it to gtk3, it was the gnome devs. That said, if Ubuntu devs were to take on creating a gnome-panel3 that functioned like the Gnome2 version (not like the lame "fallback" version that comes with Gnome3), they would be widely regarded as heroes in the linux sphere. The problem, though, is that Ubuntu would never be able to get it accepted by upstream and would be at the mercy of Gnome devs that could change ABI's at will to break it. There is a hegemony (Alan Cox called it an "oligarchy") in Gnome land that effectively prevents external contributions if said contributions don't fall in line with the so-called "vision", even though such contributions are know to be popular with the gnome user-base (give me back my panel!).

Re:apt-get install gnome? (1)

mikechant (729173) | about 3 years ago | (#37702994)

If you want 'Gnome 2' back I think all you need to do is install 'gnome-panel' and select at login time...

WTF is up with these Ubuntu code names? (3, Funny)

DriedClexler (814907) | about 3 years ago | (#37702554)

Why can't they go back to normal, respectable names, like Hairy Hardon or whatever?

12.04 LTS (4, Informative)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 3 years ago | (#37702556)

The release after this is going to be called Precise Pangolin, which is an ant eater thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin [wikipedia.org]

Re:12.04 LTS (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 3 years ago | (#37702594)

I thought they'd call it Pregnant Pussy!

Re:12.04 LTS (5, Insightful)

d3ac0n (715594) | about 3 years ago | (#37702682)

And this really bugs me. They are the only Linux distro that uses animal names for their version names, they get to 'P' and they DON'T USE 'PENGUIN'? WTF???

Re:12.04 LTS (1)

CODiNE (27417) | about 3 years ago | (#37702944)

Hmmm...

Pensive Penguin
or
Parsimonious Penguin

I can't quite choose.

Re:12.04 LTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702976)

The guys over at cannonical couldn't decide whether to name it Pedantic Penguin or just Pink Pony, so the compromised.

Re:12.04 LTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702996)

Maybe Linux Mint will call their release "Placated Penguin".

The end of Ubuntu for me? (4, Interesting)

TheCarp (96830) | about 3 years ago | (#37702622)

Wow.... its been a good run but, Unity just doesn't cut it for me.

I like where they are going with it, its cool, It was a fun toy, but, it was also klunky for me. Now, I know I am going to get roasted, but, sorry I used Unity for all of 3 days, so my memory may be fuzzy but....

I use multiple firefox profiles...at the same time. Often I have one that is a proxy into an internal net, and another that is public. Often i am doing things on the public one that I wouldn't want going over the private net. Think of this scenario... I have to proxy into work at night to fix a server, but, just before I was paged I was browsing porn. I don't want to be browsing porn through the proxy, and setting up foxy proxy with rules is just asking for an embarassing mistake. Actually, this is a rare scenario, but theres multiple networks I need to work in, and several of them I wouldn't want associated with my blog postings or slashdot rants.

Unity just failed to manage this at all. Part of this is, indeed, that firefox profile handling is brain damaged (if I specify a profile on the command line, why do I need "-no-remote"? shouldn't it be able to tell that the open window is a different profile and no I don't want to just connect to that?) but it would totally ignore the second profile. No way to get a second firefox dock icon, no way to deal with this, now rogue, application.

That was the real nail in the coffin for Unity, but beyond that....

I am an advanced user. I have things setup in GNOME the way _I_ want. Sure, I can rip out the unity stuff, it wouldn't be the first time that I went to down on an X Session config...but I chose ubuntu because it allowed me to minimize that shit. I like the defaults and found them easy to customize to be what I wanted. I like my setup and that Ubuntu has been fairly good about not stomping on my setup since I started using it around 6 or 7.

I will likely choose a new distribution if there isn't an easy way to not use unity.

Re:The end of Ubuntu for me? (4, Informative)

TheCarp (96830) | about 3 years ago | (#37702678)

Ok... whew I did a quick search because.... I couldn't believe there was really no way to easily abandon Unity.... took me about 3 seconds of web searching:
http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/return-to-ubuntu-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-11-10/ [liberiangeek.net]

I get to keep it a little while longer!

Re:The end of Ubuntu for me? (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#37702922)

Right now you still have that option, but I don't understand why you would want to wait until the last release to switch. I haven't seen anything that suggests that they're going to back down on it or that it's going to suck any less on large screens than it does now. With the possible exception of bug fixes, what they have now is likely to be there until they realize how stupid it is and back down.

Re:The end of Ubuntu for me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702708)

Wow.... its been a good run but, Unity just doesn't cut it for me

+1

But I'd rather get a life than spend another minute into more rants about this.

Read the Release Notes before Upgrading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37702634)

You should always read the release notes before upgrading. For instance, anyone that has a Sandybridge laptop should not upgrade without looking at the Kernel section. There's currently a bug that causes 30% more power consumption in laptops and desktops with that platform.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes [ubuntu.com]

Has anyone tried Eclipse? (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | about 3 years ago | (#37702680)

I actually kindof like Unity, but had to turn it off at work because it somehow causes Eclipse (Zend Studio) to become slow as molasses when editing files. (I ... e n t e r ... c h a r a c t e r s .... a n d ... t h e y ... t a k e ... s e c o n d s ... t o ... a p p e a r.) Don't know if the nvidia proprietary driver has something to do with it.

So, prey tell, if you've ran into the same problem, is it fixed?

This is still WIMP (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 3 years ago | (#37702704)

It is still Windows, Icon, Mouse, Pointing device. The primary difference is the buttons are bigger.

In the last decade, I felt like Open Source was constantly copying Windows 95 UI. Now it looks like they are copying NeXT UI. Which is an improvement, but can we please figure out something that works, and from there only add improvements to appearance (or new features)? Each Ubuntu release is like I have a completely new OS (until I open the command line and my life gets happier, but I pity people who can't do that).

Re:This is still WIMP (4, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | about 3 years ago | (#37702870)

until I open the command line and my life gets happier

Of course, this is the case for every GUI, excepting platforms that don't come with a decent CLI (windows). You're never going to find a GUI that makes your life happier than the CLI because CLIs are fundamentally superior.

So my advice is to give up. Embrace the CLI for everything, and use the absolute minimum GUI you need. There's a shit ton of tiling window managers out there for people who know what they want from a UI.

Satisfied with this release (3, Informative)

Windwraith (932426) | about 3 years ago | (#37702832)

I installed it a week ago while still in beta, and for the first time I didn't have to solve any unexpected situation, it was smooth. I actually rushed just to get an updated GIMP version (ppa never updated that version for 11.04, and the update fixes ORA support and single-window mode) , but didn't regret it.

Also, am I the only one that doesn't hate Unity? I don't use it, but I like what I see. I even adapted my KDE desktop to be kind of compliant (except for the shared menubar, I use panoramic and I have a setup of 1 big window and 3 side windows, and it's a mess to use a fixed menubar for all).
I jokingly name it Kunity: http://i.imgur.com/WvwDn.png [imgur.com]
(The taskbar is Icon Tasks, a plasmoid that implements the Unity API. For launching I don't need dash, I use Kupfer. That that thing at the corner is a Conway's life plasmoid, I am addicted to that thing).

I see myself eventually using Unity2D if I ever dump KDE (2D to avoid lag when developing GL games. Some effects are hard to see with compositing enabled, I keep it disabled in KDE). And the Unity Launcher API is very fun to play with. Made myself a nice launcher for Zim and a way to switch firefox profiles very quickly in just 5 seconds (not literally, but less than 30 min. including checking the specs and examples).

Re:Satisfied with this release (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | about 3 years ago | (#37702962)

"[I don't] hate Unity...I don't use it"

'nuff said

Re:Satisfied with this release (1)

Again (1351325) | about 3 years ago | (#37703024)

I don't hate it either. In fact, the only thing that I don't like about it is the application launcher but it's performance has improved a lot from where it was in 11.04. I really do hope that all the people complaining about Unity have tried the version that got released today and are not just basing their opinion on an old version.

Re:Satisfied with this release (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 3 years ago | (#37703060)

I really do hope that all the people complaining about Unity have tried the version that got released today and are not just basing their opinion on an old version.

Unity's not so bad on my netbook where I mostly just run Firefox on a tiny screen, but on my 11.04 laptop the app-launcher sucks, the 'global menu' sucks and the stupid scrollbars suck.

Did they fix any of those in 11.10? Oh, they can't, because they're broken by design.

Figures (1)

thecrotch (2464404) | about 3 years ago | (#37702858)

I just finished migrating my whole home network from Xen to KVM 6 months ago because they dropped it in 10.04... Thanks for being consistant guys...

Bugs? (1)

Astatine (179864) | about 3 years ago | (#37702902)

I was a long time Ubuntu user. When I upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04, I found that Unity was unusable. Forget opinions about the redesigned, touch-friendly interface: it was broken. Menu items not appearing; rampant graphics corruption in the menu bar; window dragging taking several seconds to redraw the window; lots more. Does anyone have impressions of how buggy Unity is in this new release?

(Yes, proprietary nvidia driver. Playing nice with it is non-negotiable. Gnome 3 and KDE both do.)

Unity (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 years ago | (#37702918)

The unity look was one of the big reason I went back to Gentoo. The Ubuntu desktop looks like something meant for a 5 year old, not a serious computer user. Apart from that the constant updates and increased features no one needs, Ubuntu is now the Windows of the Linux world, the problem is I think most people want a Linux of the Linux world and that is no longer Ubuntu.

In the earlier 7.0 days and 6.0 days Ubuntu was the best distribution on the market but it's now turned into a big , bulky and down right horrible distribution for any serious user..

Passive Aggressive announcement (2, Insightful)

mauriceh (3721) | about 3 years ago | (#37702930)

Thanks for posting about the release of the new Ubuntu version.
Too bad you chose to hijack the announcement to use it as a soapbox for stating your preference of Debian.
Essentially this is just your spam.

Come on mods, lets get this rubbish off the page!

Longstanding multiple monitor issues not fixed (3, Interesting)

SkunkPussy (85271) | about 3 years ago | (#37702940)

They still haven't made any progress on the issue with multiple monitors whereby the left panel goes in a shitty place depending upon which screen is your main monitor. Mark Shuttleworth weighed in and basically said fuck you we're not fixing it. Even though ~50% of multiple monitor configurations are affected by this.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415 [launchpad.net]
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/742544 [launchpad.net]

Forced into compiz? no thanks (1)

BlueScreenO'Life (1813666) | about 3 years ago | (#37702988)

now, for good or ill, the left-hand vertical menu is a permanent desktop element. It looks great to me

Dealbreaker. The left-hand menu is not the only problem with Unity. Its dependence on the sluggish compiz wm is another.

unity is not easier for new (or older aged) users. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#37703016)

I just got my mother (who is not very technical) to use ubuntu in 10 with the old UI. she adapted quickly to the applications ("Its like the start button, but awesome!") When I updated to unity all the text was gone, there was no way for her to dicern a running program in the background if she needed to close something for memory on the netbook. Its awful. She went from a several hour a day netbook user for different simple tasks to closing the thing and putting it in the corner after days of trying to get used to it. As soon as I put gnome back on it with 10.x she went straight back to using it like normal.

  If a user has any familiarity of what a windows pc looks like, unity is an awful choice for them.

power users (1)

rish87 (2460742) | about 3 years ago | (#37703036)

I love how more and more 'power users' start complaining about Unity and how ubuntu is becoming such a 'mainstream' OS, so they all switch to other distros. You DO know you can easily install a different window manager? Granted, I'm not a fan of Unity and I don't think it should be the Ubuntu default, but I'm not about to switch distros when I can switch to gnome in a minute and be done with it.
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